they simply did not happen. the fact is, these anonymous allegations are false, and now the democrat machine in america has brought forth a troubled woman to make false accusations. was it tough last week? yes. is it --s that been tough the last couple of days? yes. but you see, that's one thing about herman cain that i think a lot of the american people know and that is, just because it's tough is no reason for me not to do what i feel like i have to do. because of what the american people have said to me, during these turbulent times, we will get through this. we will get through this. >> sometimes feisty news conference that ended moments ago, mr. cain said he cannot recall ever meeting the chicago whom who says cain upgraded his room to a suite, made an aggressive and unwanted sexual advance. >> with respect to the most recent accusation, i have never acted inappropriately with anyone. period. i saw ms. allred and her client yesterday in that news conference for the very first time. as i sat in my hotel room with a couple of my staff members, as they got to the microphone, my first response, in my mind and reaction was, i don't even know who this woman is. >> cain's news conference was it itself a dramatic about-face. for days the candidate had no plans to address the mounting allegations of sexual harassment and in appropriaappropriate sex behavior. vowed not to play by what it called washington scandal rules. it wasn't just the media. more conservatives urged cain to answer allegations in detail and there was mounting evidence in the polls that the cain campaign was suffering. gloria allred is the attorney for sharon bialek. she's with us on the telephone. first, flat out, let's start with mr. cain, says he can't even remember your client and when he was watching her yesterday he said he thought and thought and thought again and he has no recollection of ever meeting her. what do you make of that? >> of course no recollection is not the same as he didn't meet her. so you know, i don't recall is not the same as i never met her. interesting that he didn't say, did he? i never met her? also, is he suggesting that i'm the democratic machine or i'm the manipulated by the democratic machine if there is one? i'm an attorney. if he's saying the democratic machine had something to do with my representing my client, that is an absolute bold faced lie and he needs to retract it. here what happens high think he needs to do. i think it's time for the united states senate to subpoena both herman cain and all of the women who had made allegations of sexual harassment against herman cain. let them come forward, let everybody come forward, let's have everybody testify under oath. my client is willing to do so. is herman cain willing to testify under oath? testify under penalty of perjury? telephone truthfully? that, i think, is a challenge i present to him. >> you present the challenge he should go before the united states senate. i would say this, i understand you're looking for a public forum to have both of them under oath. what jurisdiction does the united states senate have? your clients allegations are serious, statute of limitations have passed. what jurisdiction wouz the united states senate have over this? the jurisdiction the united states senate has, when legislation is needed, needed to improve current legislation or need because there is no legislation that exists that, you know, is needed. and perhaps what we need is, you know, maybe we need changes in sexual harassment laws. maybe we need to extend the statute of limitations in sexual harassment law as has been done in states that have extended the statute of limitations on child sexual abuse cases. >> let's bring the conversation back to what mr. cain said today. you raise an important point. when he says he doesn't recollect, done mean it didn't happen. he was pressed on could it possibly, possibly be true you met sharon bialek. let's listen to his answer here. >> walheim not an exxner expert how the brain work but i sat and there and went over and over and over in my mind, do i know this lady? the answer kept coming up no. i have watched her again today when she appeared on fox news with her attorney doing this interview, sitting there, trying to remember, do i know her? i didn't recognize the face. i didn't recognize the name. nor the voice. and so you're right, is that a possibility? yes. but i happen to think that's a remote possibility, and here's why, one of the things people who have worked with me for years will tell you is that i'm pretty good at remembering people. >> miss allred, some of this is hard because it's 12, 14 years ago. i want to ask you a question i sure wish one of the reporters asked mr. cain at conference, any credit card record, any restaurant record, any documentation that your client might have or be able to get access to? wouldn't still be holding a paper receipt but go back to the credit card company that might be able to advance the he said, she said here? >> what's interesting here, john, when you played that excerpt just now that i was right, it was a flat-out denial. he didn't recall, you know, he's trying to remember, he didn't recall. and yet it's been reported that someone saw sharon speaking last month to him at the tea party convention or conference. so obviously, we have a declaration from her boyfriend who was with her when they were both with herman cain some years ago, as she described yesterday at the conference. and that even he met her boyfriend. you know, what he wants to say now, that to me is really not the issue. the issue is, are the american people going to believe four women, two of them who have filed sexual harassment complaints against him, when they were employed by the national restaurant association, received financial settlements, another anonymous woman, my client who has come out, given her name and face, are they going to believe herman cain, a man who has a motive to deny everything? and so that is the question for the american people. i, by the way, resent the hit pieces, you know, now this is what rich, powerful, famous, politically connected men do, attack vulnerable women, such as my client. they put out massive hit pieces on her today. so i guess they're desperate. they're in major damage control. i yn stan they're trying to protect their guy but they're doing it by attacking a single mom and i think it's revolting. >> gloria allred, appreciate your quick response to mr. cain. we'll stay in touch as the story develops in the days ahead. another woman who accuses cain of sexual harassment when she worked at national restaurant association is confirming her identity. karen kraushaar, seeing her in pictures, works for the government, filed a sexual harassment complaint against cain during his tenure at the restaurant association when he was a top lobbyist, she accepted a cash settlement and left the association. she's pictures from a subsequent job. she took that government job back during the clinton administration and hired by maria cardona. maria is with us tonight. you heard herman cain at his news event saying he did remember, he did remember your friend, he remembered her and said her claim, she recent agreement to leave, he did not consider it a settlement because he did not admit wrong doing and said she was unable to prove her allegations against him, unable to get corroboration. is that what she tells you? >> to be -- in all honesty, john, she did not go into details of the allegations with me because i didn't want her to have to relive it yet again. but what was so interesting about mr. cain's press conference, he called both her allegations as well as the other accuser who also had a settlement with the national restaurant association baseless. when do baseless allegations come to settlements in the tens of thousands of dollars? that just really stretches the limits of credibility here when you have not one, not two, but three and up to four, maybe more, according to herman cain himself that might come out of the woodwork on this. >> how is karen kraushaar describe herman cain to you? >> well, what i can tell you is what she told me in the recent days ever since it has come to light that she is one of the women who has accused him of sexual harassment when i found out, it was her, we talked about this obviously, and she has always been incredibly grateful to me, having hired her at the ins. when she said to me, maria, now you know why i was so grateful that you hired me when you did at the ins because you saved me and this is a quote from her, from this monster, from what she was going through at the national restaurant association, obviously she was referring to what she went through with mr. cain. >> i'm going to give you a chance, briefly, those watching who says, maria cardona, clinton appoint eye, there is proof democrats are behind this. >> this is incredibly important, first the same as the woman who came out last night, karen is a registered republican. so i don't know where they get the fact that this is something that the democrats are stirring up. the second thing i would say to you is that, this is also incredibly important and was very important to karen, to make very clear she is a civil servant and as you know, civil servants have nothing to do with political or partisan work. and when i was working at i.n.s. i was a political appointee but everybody working in my office was a civil servant, meaning, they had absolutely nothing to do with democratic party strategy, with democratic party politic, with partisanship in any way, shape or form. >> appreciate your help with this. joining us to continue the conversation, penny nance, ceo for concerned women of america, eric erickson, a democratic strategist, a pollster for the obama 2012 campaign. women voters are important in the campaign, specifically iowa. you issued a statement talking about sharon bialek saying this woman is now the face of an i've that continues to grow and be a distraction for mr. cain's campaign. mr. cain needs address new allegations head on, unlike anonymous allegations miss bialek appeared credible and i was disturbed by her characterization of what happened. >> first lit me say concerned women of america said during '96 during the clinton scandal that character counts. it's important for us to weigh in on the issue as much as we can. i don't think all of the facts are out yet. i don't -- he was emphatic but yet you saw he left the door open for other women to come forward. we've seen several women, up to four, perhaps five that have come forward, and so until this is all hashed out, i think that we've all got to continue to wait and see. but it's very disturbing, very troubling and it's gotten us off track of the issues so important to this country. >> you used the word troubling about the allegations. he used the word "troubled" to describe one of his accusers, a troubled woman. i've gotten a number of e-mails since then, she has a history of personal financial issues, a history of losing her job, he's trying to connect that to her making allegations. is that a smart way for mr. cain to be conducting himself? >> i don't know. i think he has to fight back to defend himself. even if a part of what she said is true, even if he didn't per se sexually harass her but everything else in the story is true, he was drinking with a woman that is about 30 years -- ten years his junior, late at night, getting her a hotel suite, there's more than just whether or not he sexually harassed the woman. i want to know it all. >> eric have said mr. cain has some explaining to do. how did he do today? >> i love herman, he's a great guy. i know him and think the world of him. i think he opened the door to more question today. he's doing a very bad job. his campaign is doing a very bad job of trying to get the story behind him. he's opening the door to more questions. for example, he did not know sharon bialek, there is a picture surfaced from the past year where they were together. he may have no recollection, i don't remember half of the picture i've had in the last year but his campaign should have been more thorough with a prepared statement he was reading from in having some of these facts in there. i feel sorry for the guy in the sense that he's being accused of sexual harassment, how do you prove a negative that happened 12, 15 years ago? so i'm sympathetic for that. but the press conference did more harm than good. >> one of the points, the most important thing, the allegations. women now two women, whose names we know, two others anonymously, that's the most important issue, did that conduct happen? another thing that happens in the political fallout, mr. cain has to explain himself. is he consistent in his answers? listen to one of the way his answered when being asked, do you know who is doing this? did somebody do this for a political purpose? >> i cannot say this is a conspiracy. we do not have definitive factual proof. we can only look at some coincidences to suggest it, that maybe someone is deliberately behind this. we have not been able to make any determination to point any fingers, place any blame on anybody at this point. when we step back and look at the fact that there's no facts, no factual evidence to back these up, we can only infer that someone is trying to basically wreck my character and like the other gentleman alluded to, plant doubt in the minds of a lot of the people who are going to go to the polls and vote. >> cornell belcher, he says he's not sure but somebody's doing this. earlier he said the democratic machine, gloria allred, he brought her forward, he said last week that he could connect the dots to bread crumbs, called them back to the perry campaign, that's a republican campaign. >> there are no high powered democrats and democratic organizations sitting around, oh, my god, how do we figure out how to stop herman cain? 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>> well, i know i'm in the minority here but i thought it was powerful, and it -- let me start here, we think like we think, and it done matter what we think it matters what iowa women and voters think. if i were he i would go pronto into camp in iowa. what he know in general, and they don't think what we think, politics is scummy, media sensationalizes and conservative women believe there's a feminist grievance industry and it is epitomized by ghora allreed. either he's the biggest bare faced liar, a guy that says he'll take a lie detector, it spoke to me, maybe because i've lived through the transition of a sexist workplace to an overneutered workplace, i've seen settlements being made for the purpose of just like we don't want to deal with this and i think that -- i think there's an audience for that. i think it was very, very powerful. it done matter what we say, it matters what we think in iowa. >> james, it does matter where people vote. you're a democrat, i know you think he's toast. >> right. >> what can he do? assume for the sake of argument this didn't happen or maybe there were misunderstandings but he didn't grossly, in his mind anyway, what does he do? >> one thing he can do, he and the women involved can have the restaurant association release the file. maybe we'd see what the settlement or agreement was, he says the basis, the investigation, what is the back and forth here? there's a simple solution, they can do that, no reason they can't waive that. i don't think that that's going to happen here, and i think today a boat sunk again. i don't know how you can sink twice but i don't think it's relevant, he was never going to be president. i don't think he helped himself today. >> he was not asked at the press conference, will you call on the restaurant association, will you personally -- those credit card records exist, it's 14 years ago, did he take her to a restaurant, there's a documentation, did he have her room upgraded? she say there's were two dinners together, go to a big event din, there's a seating plan in a file somewhere. >> just as these women have employment records and records of their settlements as they left, i would assume mr. cain also has an employment record from when he was running the national restaurant association and if there's nothing to hide, then he really ought to release that and say, release my expense accounts, do all of that, i have nothing to hide here i'm telling the truth, i do not remember miss bialek and the question is whether he will remember these other women as they start to come forward because i believe that they will. >> mary, where does this head next? he has to go into a debate? there's one tonight, another one coming up soon. we assume more people might come forward. is mr. cain -- does he get a rebuten or he his they scandal mode? >> we have to take ourselves out of our mines and but them in minds of conservative voters who don't trust the media, don't trust the feminist grievance industry, do respect references to integrity and honesty and he said he'd take a lie detector test. james would like this to go on forever, release files, keep distracting from the issues, and conservative voters are want to get back to the answers. some point these voters who are going to make the difference, not all of our blabbering, are going to get fed up with this. and i just thought the guy was powerful or the most theatrically perfect presentation in response to his integrity being attacked in 35 years. it was -- he stood up, answered all of the questions, he wasn't defensive, he was articulate he jujitsus romney's attack on him and said that romney had integrity, he jujitsued the bias towards women on whatever the harassment charges and says i'm in the business and women harass men. i thought it had masterful strokes that may not work to our ear, to the establishment ear but to voters' ears. >> we'll come back to this in a little bit. sorry we're short on time. need to end it here? 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[ male announcer ] from fathers to sons, chevy runs deep. legendary penn state coach joe paterno could step down in day. his weekly news conference canceled in the wake of the scandal rocking one 0 the most prestigious football programs. jerry sandusky was arrested this weekend and charged with raping eight boys between 1994 and 2009. authorities say paterno learned of one alleged incident in 2002 and passed on information to university higher-ups. the question, did he do enough? with us on the phone, lavar arrington who played linebacker for paterno and sandusky and moved on to a career in the nfl, here with me, mike weiss. when you think we could be on the verge of the end of joe paterno era at penn state, one, what goes through your mind? number two, is this necessary, given the cloud that tanked over the program right now? >> you know what? it's a very complicated situation, as you know, john. when you think about everything that is surfacing that is surrounding the entire situation, i think the complexity of all of the information is something that, to me, it makes it very difficult to declare definitively one way other the other. you know, part of you says, the most important aspect of all of this that i hope done get lost, and as i have echoed in every interview i've done the most important aspect in all of this the children affected and impacted by what took place. so when i wonder or i have asked the question, should joe paterno step down based off of what i know now, it's very difficult for me to answer that question one way or the other. i almost feel as though i'm in limbo as to how to feel or interpret what information joe paterno had, mouch uch of it he and if he had more information or what information he possessed, why did he not do more? so it's difficult to make that assessment at this moment, as someone who has a lot vested in this program. >> i am going to make a leap, you're further along in this, based on the column you wrote sunday. you can't read the 23-grand jury report, penn state football and its pristine reputation appar t apparently superseded the alleged sexual assault of a young boy, perhaps as many as young boys. joe pa now and they never told police. it's sad and damning, but in your sense, lavar makes an important point, what did he know? when did he know it? he's the head of the program, though. >> that's where lavar and i are different, lavar's part of the penn state football family and a lot of these people, these programs are families, john. the difference is, is you don't want to think the worst about what you hear about a family member in all of these cases. outside of that, looking in, i can say, i can't consider someone a leader of men who failed to protect chirp. if the time line's correct, 2002 he was told about a boy estimated to be 10 in the shower with his former defense everybody coordinator, and in the penn state football showers, where his players practice, i've got to say that if that's true, and joe paterno did not go to police, you can't use protocol and right channels as an excuse. you've got to serve humanity before the university. >> lavar, i want you to listen to matt millen, his response to this, in a word, he's disgusted. >> i get mad. and it's -- it's pretty disturbing. this is more than just a program. this is more than a football legacy. this is about people and if we can't protect our kids, we, as a society, are pathetic. >> lavar, mike mentioned you're a valuable member of the penn state family and the footballen community, also a parent. i'm guessing that's the tug-of-war that goes through your mind. >> really there is no tug-of-war for me. i've listened to what everyone has to say and listening to someone that i look up to, and matt millen, who came before me, one of the people who was in the lineage of linebackers that played at penn state, i listened to what even what wise has to say, again, i'm in total agreement with both in they're sentiments protecting these children is what's most important. but what that being said i have to make sure that it's clear that within reason, i don't think that it's a forgone conclusion as mike stated, i think what i saw on a different angle with this, i don't know exactly what was stated to joe paterno and saying that he knew that a kid was in the shower with coach sandusky and he should have called the police immediately, i don't -- i've got say, just looking at it from my perspective, a lot of people take showers at football facilities and, to me that does not necessarily mean that the writing on the wall is that that person was inappropriate in that shower. so the lines of communication have to be very clear on these things when certain things transpire that go as deep as sexual assault and sexual abuse and that's why i'm saying, make no mistake about it, i'm not defending this, i am not condoning this, what i'm merely saying is, as it pertains to joseph paterno, if that man was not communicated to clearly as to what was going on and something was just said to him that it's inappropriate and he passed it along to the people ahead of him, higher than him on the totem poll to address the situation, then i don't know, again, morally speaking, he probably should have done more. morally speaking, mike mcqueary should have done more. if anyone knew as to what was taking place and the care of these kids with jerry sandusky, more should have been done. but what isn't clear to me is what coach paterno knows or what he does not know and people make it a forgone conclusion that he knows, and i'm not so sure that he's clear on everything that transpired. >> lavar and i host radio shows opposite each other and we both respect each other's opinion. with all due respect, this is a guy, if a 10-year-old boy was showering and he was told this is his grandson i guarantee you joe paterno would not have waited ten days to talk to officials. as far as him being the authority, there is 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"erin burnett outfront" coming up at top of the hour. you have a former navy s.e.a.l. on the program tonight? >> former navy s.e.a.l. team 6, which was the s.e.a.l. team responsible for killing osama bin laden in the compound in pakistan. he's written a book that's controversial, disagrees with the government version of what happened. he's going to be on our show. an adviser to herman cain and a man who co-authored a book with the men at penn state, larry sandusky, the accused pedophile. all of that coming up top of the hour. >> a horrible story at penn state. look forward to that report. thanks so much. it's a busy and significant day in politics. herman cain once again emphatically denying the latest sexual harassment allegations against him. >> i have never acted inappropriately with anyone. period. >> also, elections across the country today. what might 2011 tell us about the 2012 climate in? joined by the governor of mississippi, haley barbour. i want to start with herman cain and a key initiative on the ballot in your state. when you watch herman cain today, you're among the republicans who have said he needed to explain this and answer it, try get it over with. did he do that? >> i didn't see it. i didn't watch it but it doesn't sound like to me like he did. if this is what he says is the facts, we'll have to let that play out, see how that's accepted, see what else happens. i hope for republicans' sake we can get back to talking about the economy, about jobs, deficit, debt, taxes, the things that obama doesn't want talked about, because the obama people have to be tickled at last week has been good for his campaign because it hasn't been about obama's record. >> it hasn't been. you're not just governor of mississippi, you're a former national chairman of the republican party. i've known you for quite a long time. when you talk to your presents around the country, in terms of the potential damage this has done to mr. cain's campaign, be straight up with me what do they tell you? >> it's really a very mixed bag. mary matalin made a point, there are a lot of people that think this is the liberal media elite who hate black conservatives doing another clarence thomas. there are others who just say, we've got to know more about what the truth of the facts are here about what happened. somebody said the other day that didn't seem like republicans were taking this seriously. i think some republicans do not seriously believe the charges are true. but i can tell you, everybody knows that sexual harassment, particularly if it goes to the point of putting hands on people and grobing and that sort of stuff and doing it in the name of do you want a job, nobody will put up with that. but there are a lot of people who don't believe it's true because they think that this is another clarence thomas deal. >> one of the instance ps mr. cn can't remember the woman who came forward, sharon bialek, it possible it was a dozen or so years ago. do you believe, should he call the restaurant association and say release my expense records, any seating plans for any dins i went to, anything in the files, throw it out there, help me make my case? >> well, you can tell from the last several days, until all of the information that may be available is either produced or satisfactory demonstrated to not be available, then this is going to be a running sore. sure he ought to. from what he said today, got nothing to lose by doing that. have people settled lawsuits to avoid having to defend them? that happens all the time in the business world. but still, let's see what the accusation was, what proof there was of it. but he needs to get it behind him. all of the republicans need to get it behind them. tonight i hope it doesn't come up in the debate. if we're going to elect a new president like this country needs, and most americans know that we need a change in direction it doesn't help to be talking about anything other than obama's policies and the results they have produced, or failed to produce. >> one of the thing people will be talking about tomorrow, the amendment in mississippi, redefines life in a way that would make all abortions in your state illegal and a number of states around country are already looking to copy about. will that pass? what impact will it have on the national debate about life? >> first of all, i think it's uncertain whether it will pass or not. if it in fact said life begins at conception, i think it would pass pretty heavily, most mississippians like me think life does begin at conception. but it doesn't just say that. it says life begins at fertilization, cloning or the equivalent thereof, what does that mean? cloning's illegal in mississippi already. there ray lot of people afraid that means in vitro fertilization and they're very scared of that. i want to correct you, i don't mean that the wrong way, abortions to save the life of the mother would not be made illegal. very clearly, two lives involved there, involved there. and so even if you believe life begins at conception, if you have to take one of the lives to save the other life, that would not be -- i don't think there's anybody here who thinks that ectopic pregnancies could not be terminated to save the life of the mother. but rape, incest, no exception in those regards. and i think the real question in a lot of people's mind gave me pause, and i voted for it at the end of the day because i do believe life begins at conception, but what does this have to be with invitro fertilizati fertilization? that bothers me and i think that's one of the most pro-life states in the united states may or may not pass this. i will tell you, this is a colorado-based group that started this. if they had come to the mississippi legislature and said, look, we want to change the constitution to say life begins at conception, our legislature would haves passed that, but you would have had hearing, people would have understood it, you would have gone throughout conference committee and ironed out a lot of these wrinkles. but they chose to gone around that. we'd all been better off if this had gone through the legislation. >> we'll count the votes tonight and keep in tough with the governor of mississippi going forward. appreciate your time tonight. a new report cites credible evidence iran may try to develop nuclear weapons. next what the obama administration and israel should do about it. improves skin's health in one day, with significant improvement in 2 weeks. i found a moisturizer for life. 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