Hong kong is forever changed after china imposed a draconian new law there. Whats next for the protest movement . Can it have a future . I will talk to one of its leaders, nathan law, who is now in exile. Also, trumps peace plan has put the final nail in the coffin of the twostate solution. Is there a viable alternative that could satisfy israelis and palestinians . Peter tells me about his new idea. But first, heres my take. The United States is in a unique position among the worlds most advanced countries, far from having flattened the covid19 curve, it is watching cases spike in several pops states and dr. Anthony fauci recommended this week that these places seriously look at shutting down their economies again. Meanwhile, in other rich countries as diverse as germany, south korea, and even spain and italy, the number of new cases plummeted months ago and has stayed low. America is still exceptional, but no longer in a good sense. In order to understand why this is happening, lets start by examining something america got right, economic stimulus. In march and april, despite the most polarized climate since the civil war, congress provided 2. 4 trillion in relief and the Federal Reserve provided even more. This adds up to about 25 of gdp, one of the largest spending efforts in the world. That might explain why the stock market has barely noticed that the economy remains in its worst condition since the great depression. But the size of the stimulus placed to americas one great strength, sheer heft. The u. S. Economy is huge. Americas Borrowing Capacity limitness. The dollar for now supreme. But every other sense, American Government has failed. Its not just donald trump and the white house which have done a miserable job bringing coherence to the diverse federal agencies and coordinating with the states. Look, the cdc, the fda, and other arms of Health Human Services all failed in their own ways, as did state officials. Americans accepted extensive lockdowns, far more readily than many predicted, but this period of suffering was meant to buy time for the government to set up systems of testing, tracing x isolation so that once the lockdowns ended, people could return to some semblance of normal life, confident that their government was monitor and go reacting to new outbreaks. In truth, it squandered the time. Although trump declared in may weve prevailed on testing, his goal of 5 million tests a day with Testing Available at virtually every cvs and walmart is still just a dream. Most states still dont have comprehensive testing or Contact Tracing in place. Is this about money . What federal spending as a percentage of gdp is where it was . That statistic conceals more than it reveals. Spending on entitlement programs, social security, medicare, and medicaid has gone up massively as population ages and Health Care Costs soar. But most of the agencies of the federal government have been starved of resources while being given more tasks and mandates. Even the writing of the checks proved hard this time. Countries like canada and germany sent out funds more quickly, providing relief for citizens. While the americans had to wait anxiously, navigate websites that didnt work and apply again and again to get a response. The number of federal employees is smaller per capita than the 1950s, despite the real u. S. Gdp is seven times larger. The government barely hires new recruits anymore. As a brookings report notes, onethird of the federal workforce will be eligible to retire between now and 2025, and only 6 of federal employees are under 30 years old. You see, for almost have a century, politicians on the right have pursue add strategy of starving the beast. Antitax campaigner grover nor quist explained, i dont want to abolish government, i simply want to reduce it to the size where i can drown it in the bathtub. Steve bannons goal was the deconstruction of the administrative state. Guess what, it was already happening. Winning the fight against covid19 doesnt require a huge bureaucratic apparatus. Hong kong, singapore, taiwan and south korea have relatively small governments measured by Government Spending as a shared gdp. On the other hand, denmark, norway, and germany have also done very well and they have relatively large states. But in all these cases, government bureaucracies are well funded, enjoy considerable autonomy, not burdened by mandates, and have people working for the public sector. Here we have the nine most terrifying words in the english language are im from the government and im here to help. Covid19 should be a wakeup call. America needs to rebuild its government capacity. The goal is not a big state or a small state, but a smart state. For now, what we have is just stupid. Go to cnn. Com fareed for a link to my Washington Post column. Lets get started. In i want to bring in one of americas bestknown doctors, zika emanuel a toplevel adviser on Health Policy in the obama white house. He is now at the university of pennsylvania where hes professor for global initiatives. He has a new book out called which country has the worlds best health care. If theres one thing you would focus on to explain americas exceptionally poor response to covid, i mean, thats such a big set of failures, but if there was one thing, one variable you could change, what would it be . Leadership. We got a lack of National Leadership and National Coordination that youve seen in almost every other country thats done a good job, whether its taiwan, germany, or even italy where you had actually a coordinated program across the whole country. That allowed a much more Rapid Response and not one that was happen hazard and counterproductive. When you say leadership, you mean president ial leadership . Well, leadership at the white house, yes. It has to be president ial passing on that mantel to people who are going to coordinate whether its ppe or testing or Contact Tracing or preparing for a vaccine when we get one. We just havent had that and youve seen the president say he has the authority but passing responsibility to states that have done it in very different ways and in an uncoordinated way. When we look at testing, explain this failure. As i say, the point was to buy time to set up a system. It feels to me the American Health care system, the Public Health system doesnt seem to have thought about or planned for a situation like this where you needed a tremendous surge, kind of zero to 5 million. How would that work and why didnt it work . Well, you have first of all, you have to get the big testing companies, lab core, quest, and others, to actually invest and think this is a good thing to do. They sat on the sidelines for a long time thinking, oh, this will be a bubble. It wont be worth our capital investment. The federal government shouldve come in and make it valuable to them. The cdc, frankly, screwed around and did not get the tests right and sent out bad testing equipment. We did not secure the supply chain, and we didnt bring on our universities rapidly which have a large latent testing capacity. Compare us at 550,000 or 600,000 testing cases today. Germany was 350,000 in early april and they have a quarter of our population. So it can be done, its just that we didnt have a National Coordinated effort with authority that was moving all the pieces and had the money to make sure that this was a viable enterprise. Youre right, were now four months into this and were no better off than we were in midmarch. Does it worry you were going to get to certainly by october and november and people are going to be spending more time indoors . That does seem to correlate with the virus spreading faster. Fareed, as i pointed out over and over for four months now, there are four things that lead to spread, enclosed spaces, indoors, as you point out, crowds, and singing coughing. In the south theyre indoors. Its 115 degrees if phoenix. We just move the cases around. Weve also increased them because weve too appearedly opened up bars and restaurants, indoor places with crowds where people are fro prolonged period of time. We have not done this in a smart way. Contrast this with germany or italy that only opened up early may when the r0 was below one. So actually, the virus was declining consistently. We opened up in many places well before cases were declining and certainly before the r0 was below 1. Let me ask you about taiwan because it really seems to be a country that against all odds has done extraordinarily well, right next to china, millions of visitors from china. By the way, as you know, because its in your book, taiwan spends on health care as a percentage of gdp, i forget the number, Something Like 5 . Its less than 6 . Right much lower than us. Yet, its managed to do extraordinarily well. If theres any almost every countrys made mistakes except maybe taiwan. Yes, extraordinarily well. So they were suspicious of china and they prepared since 2004 for this event. Second, they have a face mask wearing culture and everyone was wearing face masks and the government used its Health Care Card to track people in real time, and their utilitization of the Health System to make sure they get tested, merge it with their travel history so they know who had been in china and get them tested. So they identified all the cases rapidly. To this day they less than 450 cases among 24 million people, seven deaths. Nearperfect execution and everyone could learn a lot. Their health card has been a secret here, which i think is something we should look at very, very carefully. Explain that very quickly. We have 30 seconds left. Whats the health card . Everyone has a health card. You go to the doctor, they swipe it, the ministry of health knows youre seeing the doctor, when you leave, they swipe again. Now they know whats been administered and they have near real time in a day or two information about whats happening in the health care system. If you go to our biggest insurers, medicare, it takes three or four months. You cant act rapidly in a pandemic or other emergency using that kind of information. So if we actually had a card, we had a trusted, independent agency, not facebook or google and not the federal government looking at this information, and monitoring it and helping manage patients and managing outbreaks, we could really, really respond more rapidly and know whos at risk and get them tested. Zeke emanuel, thanks for being on. Bill clinton proposed a version of that card in 1992. 1993, exactly. Next on gps, if americas Covid Response had been so flawed, what can be done to fix it . Harvards Danielle Allen has a plan. Dear fellow Business Leaders and technologists, i see all the Amazing Things you have been doing. You are transforming Business Models, and virtualizing workforces overnight. Because so much of that relies on financing, we have committed two billion dollars to relieve the pressure on your business. As you adapt and transform, were here with the people, financing, and technology, ready to help. 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Let me ask you if i may to start explaining how do you get around a problem that bill gates talked about on this program, which is, you need a National Lockdown to make this work a National Strategy for testing, national standards. Yet in the United States, power has devolved. Theres Something Like 2,500 different units that have authority over health care, obviously 50 states. What does one do . Good morning, fareed. Thank you so much for your important question. So let me start by saying, yes, we need a National Strategy, National Lockdown, we needed it only in the beginning. Its important responses by tailored jurisdiction to jurisdiction according to the incidence levels of covid. We can now see there are places that are at near zero incidents and there are places with 25 new daily cases per 100,000 people. Those places we would call in red zones should be going back to stayathome orders. But thats not true for places that are at near zero cases. So we need a National Strategy of suppression. Flattening the curve some, that plateau we saw for a while, what we need to do is breaker the chain, get back down to nearzero cases for the entire country. Thats what every successful country has achieved. We can do it, but it does require focus on getting to zero, it requir zero. How do you do that particularly with testing and tracing . You say in your report that is the key, that the only way you can reopen the economy is by having a testing and tracing system in place. Exactly. We need what we call a ttsi infrastructure, sort of like building interstates. You have to have the infrastructure to deliver the goods and resources we need as a community. So there are two parts. Theres what the states do. Its not true we havent made progress from march. States have made remarkable progress building that infrastructure. Its not everywhere and we need to get that infrastructure everywhere. The second thing we need to solve the testing supply chain problems. We have six categories of labs in this country that could be supporting a bull buildout of the infrastructure. We have only maximally activated two of those categories of lab. We have activated state Public Health labs and the commercial clinical labs. We have only partially activated our hospital labs. We have barely activated our University Research labs. Our commercial nonclinical labs and veterinary labs. Germany made great use of veterinary labs. Thats often surprising to people. In order to maximize all of our capacity, when we to scale up beyond the state level. We really do need a solution thats at a higher level than state because its a scaling problem. What we are recommending is interstate compacts, a coalition of states thats formally blessed by congress and then congress can directly fund that compact. The new york, new Jersey Port Authority is an example of interstate compact a group of states solving a complex problem that has to be solved at a higher scale level within the state, but the states need the ontheground knowledge. So you need a compact for that. Congress can fund it directly. We have compacts for emergency management, so theres an ema compact. The federal government directs resources that empowers the states to deliver on the strategy that the states design. So if we can have regional interstate compacts, we would then be able to do bulk orders for testing that could add a whole neighborhood of new testing to our capacity. This is hugely important because testing isnt just about the numbers of tests we do, its about turnaround time. We cant actually do what we need to do with Contact Tracing is results take 48 hours tops to get back to a person. Currently with the spikes we see across the southwest, its taking the labs six to eight days to get results back. You cant actually use it for Contact Tracing and break the chain once the results are that slow. So we have to activity all of the categories of capacity we have. To do that, we need a scale thats above the level of the state, an interstate compact could help us achieve that. I have to ask you, danielle, when you lay out the extraordinary plan, how did you come to do this . You are a professor of political philosophy. Youre actually trained in classics and ancient greek and latin. You sound like somebody whos got a fire in her belly . There are two things. The first was, im very fortunate to be a professor at harvard and very early on, february and march was very clear there were bodies of knowledge of our school of Public Health and medicine and our labs and so forth that were not making it into the public conversation. This was very frustrating to me. So ive been sort of on a path, i call it liberty the knowledge, okay . We actually do know how to control this disease, we do have the capacity in this country. There are places in this country where people have figured out. Massachusetts has an impressive infrastructure. Danielle allen, pleasure to have you on. Thank you so much. Next on gps, china says its new National Security law for hong kong applies to everyone everywhere. That includes me talking you to here on tv from new york city. Im about to interview one of the leaders of hong kongs protest movement. Tune in to see what happens when we come back. Om vmware helps you redefine whats possible. Now. From the hospital shifting to remote patient care in just 48 hours. To the university moving hundreds of apps quickly to the cloud. Or the City GovernmentGoing Digital to keep Critical Services running. You are creating the future on the fly. And we are helping you do it. Vmware. Realize whats possible. [ engine rumbling ] [ beeping ] [ engine revs ] uh, you know theres a 30minute limit, right . 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Books are being removed from schools. Journalists are concerned they could be arrested for honest reporting. Protesters have had their dna swabbed by the police and ordinary people are worried about which of the people they talk to may be spies. My next guest, nathan, law, has been a leader of hong kongs protest movement and he fled the city after the law was passed. Nathan, first, what is the atmosphere among the leaders of the protest Movement Among ordinary hong kongers right now . Of course people are worried because the National Security law basically grounds Hong Kong Government sweeping power to prosecute political activists they like to because, well, the law is written in thick form. If you trigger hatred towards the Central Government or Hong Kong Government, you could be prosecuted. But they have never defined what socalled creating hatred means. It would tailor legal weapons for the government to conduct political persecution. So the Hong Kong Government says that the doom and gloom over the slaw unfounded and other nations impose National Security laws, so why shouldnt china. Outside groups inspired protesters to violently push for independence, whats your response to that . The National Security law in hong kong specifically targets freedom of expression, which none of the other National Security laws would restrain. On the very first of its implementation, there were cases that suspects they were just carrying flags or stickers that had the slogan of the protests. They were already arrested. And the next day, the government announced that the slogans of the movement are conceded to be breaching the National Security law. So you could say just see it is not targeting those socalled violent protesters but targeting the freedom of expression of people, and they will prosecute you just because you are exercising your right to speak. So this is a fundamentally different thing in hong kong, and theyre using it as a legal weapon to really target peaceful protesters. So what can you do . I mean, the protest movement now under these new pretty draconian positions, and what do you want the United States and other western countries to do . For now the hong kong people are resilient and tenacious. We just had a primary election for the prodemocracy camp, and more than 600,000 people came out to vote. This is actually an given that the government has been threatening the people that this is illegal or even a primary election that may breach the National Security law, which leads them to years of imprisonment. So you can see Hong Kong Movement is pretty much still alive. For the rest of the democracies and the u. S. , i issued an open letter urging the western democracies which have signed up abextradition retreat with hong kong to suspend it in order to show that hong kong now weve got no rule of law now. While signing this retreat will be inappropriate and targeting sanctions and individuals responsible for the Human Rights Violations in hong kong and also in china would be preferable for us because this is how we hold china accountable. Do you think the world should boycott the Winter Olympics that will be held in china . Yes, definitely. The world should reconsider whether our mechanism to hold china accountable still effective. For the past decade china basically circumvented any mechanism that holds china accountable so they have endless Human Rights Violations. In china, for example, the concentration camp in tib bet was happening in hong kong of that so Winter Olympics is not allowing such an autocratic country to keep abusing its people and its right for the world to still continue support to the Winter Olympics in beijing in 2022. You are in exile, but i cant imagine, it would be difficult for the Chinese Government to track you. Do you worry about your own safety . Well, of course. We all know how extensive chinas reach could be. But for me, my consideration is more than myself because under the National Security law, if we have any Progressive International advocacy work that weve been doing for years, for example, pushing legislation that could hold china accountable, then we are submitted to years of sentencing, which will leave room for work on the ground in hong kong. So my leaving is more than my personal choice. Its a strategic move. I hope i can keep my voice on the International Level alive. For me, yes, indeed, im not in an extremely safe position, but i will risk it in order to speak the truth to the world. Nathan law, stay safe. Thank you so much. Thank you. Next on gps, if the twostate solution is dead and peter says it is, hell explain when we come back. Gillette proglide and proglide gel. Five blades and a pivoting flexball designed to get virtually every hair on the first stroke, while washing away dirt and oil. 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So if the twostate solution is in trouble, what is the alternative. Peter beinart has an idea published in Jewish Currents where hes editor at large. Hes also a contributor at the atlantic and cnn. The premise of your argument is that the twostate solution is dead. What people might feel like this administration has put forward a bad plan or they were other problems, i think there are a lot of people who are still going to say, no, the goal is still two states, israel and palestine. Why is that basic idea now essentially dead . Fareed, ive been hearing people saying the twostate solution is on the verge of death my entire life. The mayor of jerusalem said if there were 100,000 settlers in the west bank, it would be impossible to create a viable and continuous palestinian state. Two of Israel Supreme Court justices live in the west bank. Its second most powerful politician lives there. They built a Medical Center last year in the west bank. At a certain point, those of us who have supported a twostate solution and have been saying for years and years is on the verge of death, as Thomas Friedman said in 2003, you have the recognize the egg cannot be unscrambled and the price to imagine there couldnt be a twostate solution, is a status quo that leaves palestinians without the most basic of human rights. And so the reality that youre describing is a reality of continued Israeli Occupation and settlement of parts of the west bank and particularly one should note the parts that are habitable. There are large parts of the west bank there are being given, but a lot of that is desert. Absolutely. If you look at the trump plan, even earlier plans, what you essentially imagine is that there would be a kind of archipelago of disconnected palestinian towns that might be connected by turnnnels or roads. That the doesnt provide the basic dignity and opportunity for prosperity that palestinians deserve. I say reluctantly that i began to think of alternatives. As i read more and more, i began to think there actually that equality could be a viable and even liberating alternative not only for palestinians, but for jews too. One state with two one state that encompasses all of israel, the west bank, even gaza and normal voting for everybody . In other words, everybody has the same vote, in which case what kind of government do you imagine . Well, it could either be one state that gave a lot of automate autonomy to where different groups live, or it could be a confederation that would allow Free Movement like in the european union. Its hard to imagine a binational state, a state that encompasses two National Identities can work, but its important to remember israel is already a binational state. Israel controls all the territory in the west bank and even gaza where israel who controls who comes and goes. We know from Political Science research that deeply divided societies are more stable and more peaceful when everyone has a voice in government. Thats why the violence in Northern Ireland stopped when catholics gained a vote in government. Its why the politicize violence from south africa stopped when apartheid ended. An equal binational state would be messy and complicated and difficult in many ways, it would actually be a more stable and Peaceful Place for palestinians and jews than one state in which people lack basic rights. A lot of people would argue with you and have argued with you, the times of israel has a very long refuting your arguments. One of the central arguments against your case is the palestinians. You assume that the palestinians would accept this. You assume that the palestinians would accept israel, that they do not seek the destruction of the jewish people and the jewish state and people argue theres a lot of evidence to the contrary. I think, again, what we know from other conflicts is that oppression produces violence, and that justice and equality produces more peace. And i actually think theres evidence of this in israel palestine too. Look at the arab israelis. They center right to vote. Violence against jews by Israeli Palestinian citizens, even though they have much more access to commit violence against jews is very, very rare. And i think thats because palestinians are acting like other human beings. When you give people the right to express themselves in nonviolent ways by voting, by expressing their opinions, very, very few people want to kill or be killed. Its the dehumanization of palestinians that unfortunately has affected jewish discourse so much that prevents us from seeing thats true about them too. Do you think there are people who say this is kind of a fantasy, this is utopian, its impossible to imagine Something Like this, how unrealistic is this . Its unrealistic today, but the twostate solution is also unrealistic. Great moral changes almost always appear unrealistic early on before there is a vast movement for change. Look at how black lives matter, that movement, in a few months has made things that seemed completely unrealistic seen now politically possible. The advantage of equality, which is the same message as the black lives Matter Movement has brought to the u. S. , the same message as Antiapartheid Movement is it is a messaging compelling enough to produce a Mass Movement on the ground and around the world that can change what is politically possible. The twostate solution, which now means a fragmented palestinian state under israeli control is no longer a compelling enough vision to bring the change. You argue that some of the founders of zionism would have been comfortable with this because you say what they envisioned was not always a jewish state, but always a jewish home. Explain what you mean right. Today weve come to think of zionism and jewish states as synonymous. Up to the 1940s, it wasnt. If you look at the zionist leaders, what they were talking about was a Jewish Society, a Jewish Society that could run its own affairs and be a refuge for jews and rejuvenate the entire jewish world, what i call a jewish home. I believe that that would be possible with equality. Jews would still have enormous power and influence to secure our interests in one equal state. Why South Africans have done fine and they represent 12 of the population, jews represent 50 of the population and are far more economically privileged. I believe this Jewish Society could continue to enrich jews around the world and a refuge for jews in distress and it would not require to us oppress a people and deny their human rights, which is a system of violence that will sooner or later bring violence on us too. Peter beinart, pleasure to have you on. Thanks a lot. We will be back. 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