And on polling and pretty strong democratic challengers and the lieutenant, Alexander Vindman reality is Mitch Mcconnell knows testifying before investigators for about nine hours. That those four seats are in shortly after he arrived this states where the president s morning in full uniform, colonel numbers are not great, where vindman, a purple heart they saw problems in the recipient, delivered a midterms. Iowa lost two republican seats devastating blow to president to democrats in the midterms and trump telling investigators that he twice reported concerns about trumps behavior and his teams plus they have steve king running for reelection. Insistence that ukraine who was by his own party. Investigate joe biden. For racism now, heres the vindman was on the phone call between trump and the ukraine thing and you mentioned president zelensky. Elizabeth warren and thats how he testifies, and im going to quote here from his Opening Statement, i was concerned by she would get the agenda and that call. I did not think it was proper to obviously, you look at new demand that a Foreign Government hampshire. Joe biden, the once easy investigate a u. S. Citizen and i was worried about the frontrunner is not so in many implications for the u. S. Government support of ukraine. Polls. Third after sanders and warren so vindman reported those in New Hampshire. Concerns to the lead lawyer for in the latest iowa poll he is the National Security council after that call. I want to just emphasize that tied at the top and tied with that is not a small thing to do. Warren and shes been gaining colonel vindman is a 20year momentum. So what does this mean . Veteran, he is the national this comes as, you know, youre securitys top ukraine expert. He testifies as an activeduty talking about a real race for that. Youre talking about a real race. Military officer the command right now Elizabeth Warren has structure is extremely important to me. Hes choosing to report what the had momentum for weeks. President of the United States joe biden has been under a spotlight. Hes trying to sort of stabilize did on a phone call as inappropriate was not a small his number, but his direction decision and his testimony and the reality is that his poll today, of course, totally refutes what the commander in numbers have been in a downward chief continues to insist. Direction give or take the last the conversation was was number of weeks and in iowa and perfect. p. A perfect call. This was a perfect conversation. New hampshire which every four years well say its a national but vindman did not only raise concerns about that call in trumps behavior on it. Vindman also reported a meeting map and everyone is going all in that he had with trumps on iowa and the Biden Campaign ambassador to the eu gordon has to list the numbers and sondland, a meeting in which he testified, quote, i stated to Bernie Sanders who a lot of ambassador sondland that his people thought wasnt going to statements were inappropriate, be such a huge factor at least that the request to investigate in New Hampshire showing real biden and his son had nothing to strength. So this comes after poll do with National Security. After poll were seeing the top that damning statement same four candidates and warren, contradicts sondelands testimony, a trump defender and biden, Sanders Buttigieg were a man who donated a million the top four. Theyre very different in many dollars and sondland under oath said no one from the nsc, again, ways, right, but youve got the vindman is the top ukraine most diverse democratic fooled adviser ever expressed any youve ever had. You had Kamala Harris and cory concerns and thats a quote from sondland. As for Lieutenant Colonel booker and amy klobuchar. Vindman. He says he raised concerns out you have a diversity of gender of duty. I am a patriot and it is my and race and you have the four sacred duty and honor to defend candidates leading the pack. When we started this race in my country irrespective of power and politics, yet that does not stop the president and his early 2019 and this would build allies from trying to smear this purple heart recipient. For the momentum candidates of here are two implying vindman is color that women won in the midterms that this would would be a different face of the Democratic Party and now you have four white candidates a spy, woi working against the d leading the pack. Three of them men, three of them states because he was not born here. In their 70s and that diversity here is a National Security official who is advising ukraine is a real concern. While working inside the white we were talk about it earlier house apparently against the with the senate and the house, a lot of the democrats want a president s interest and usually nominee who is a woman, who is a they spoke in english. Person of color and they concern isnt that kind of an interesting angle on this story . That the tbase of the party wont i find that astounding, and have that energy and wont have that fighting spirit in the some people might call this midterms if it turns out to be, espionage. The say an allwhite ticket or a i mean, it is stunning. White male at the top of it. Of course, he came here when he was 3 years old. All right. Thank you very much, patrick healy. Out front next, President Trump himself is trying to say vindman is a politically trump describing al baghdadis motivated liar. How many more never trumpers last moments in great detail, will be allowed to testify about but was it a tall tale . A perfectly appropriate phone plus jeanne moos on the dilemma call. Nor frankly would it matter to to name or not name the dog to whether he tells the truth as an help take down the isis leader . American citizen and this is not the first time that trump has wanna go to the gym . Uh, its too expensive. Gone after a member of the actually, our Unitedhealthcare Medicare plans come with military for coming forward. Listen to how he referred to renew active, a gym membership and more, 30year public servant, vietnam at no extra cost. War vet ambassador taylor who im not a workout kinda guy. You get a personalized fitness plan. Served under president s reagan, im exercising my brain. And an online brain health program. Bush, clinton, bush and obama . Heres a problem. Hes a never trumper. I need workout clothes . Of course, taylor also they have tvs here too. Testified about a quid pro quo renew active, only from Unitedhealthcare Medicare from the president. Phil mattingly is live out including the only plans with the aarp name. Front on capitol hill and we are learning more about what vind land is saying behind closed doors and courting. And counting. Alexander vindman addressed some of the questions people have had since the white house released the rough transcript of the july 25th phone call between President Trump and the ukrainian president and is it, is it entirely accurate. Vindman who was in the swiegz room listening to the call, the first person to come to capitol hill who was on the call to actually testify. He believes the transcript was mostly accurate and there were two changes he thought he would have made based on the notes he had taken from that call. One of them related to burisma related to the ukrainian president and it says just company. Today he testified that he would have said or believed that the correct interpretation would have mentioned burisma directly. He raised some of the concerns and he went to the National Security council twice based on concerns related to two separate incidents related to the ukrainian funding and he told his twin brother who also works in the white house and works in the National Security council in the Ethics Office to raise some of those concerns, as well. Ive also told republicans throughout the course of this testimony including very early on in the testimony when there is a shouting match that broke out between a democratic member and a republican member were continuo continuously asking about specific names as an effort to so bob, what do you take for back pain . Before i take anything, i apply topical pain relievers first. Surface who the whistleblower was and vindman said he did not know who the whistleblower was, salonpas lidocaine patch blocks pain receptors and it comes up on multiple for effective, nonaddictive relief. Salonpas lidocaine. Depositions and who made this initial complaint. Patch, rollon or cream. Thank you very much. Of course, searching for who hisamitsu. Made it is not frankly relevant as everyone should understand. Whats relevant is whether what the persons is true which everything thus far has shown it to be. Kaitlan collins is out front at the white house and theyve released new details that they put out there. How is the white house responding now that theyve seen some of the specifics. Theyre not pleased because of the white houses position so far. They were waiting to see what the text of this is going to be and when you read this resolution it shows that essentially they are handing the reins of this to adam schiff, beauty editors have tried everything in search of a whiter smile. The house intelligence chairman their choice . Crest 3d whitestrips. Our exclusive formulation whitens safely who will have a pretty broad latitude here and that is something that the white house is attacking directly tonight in for a 100 noticeably whiter smile. Guaranteed. A new statement going after this trust americas 1 whitening brand, vote that the House Democrats have announced. Crest 3d whitestrips. They are slated to vote on thursday and this first i have moderate to severe pnow, theres skyrizi. Impeachment inquiry vote theyre going to have and the white things are getting clearer, yeah i feel free house has been saying for weeks to bare my skin that theyll have before they yeah thats all me. Nothing and me go hand in hand consider cooperating and see this as legitimate and in a nothing on my skin statement tonight, the press thats my new plan. Secretary saying that nothing is everything. Essentially by voting on this it shows that this has been, quote, keep your skin clearer with skyrizi. An illegitimate sham from the 3 out of 4 people achieved start and they go after the fact 90 clearer skin at 4 months. That adam schiff will have so of those, nearly 9 out of 10 sustained it through 1 year. Much power here and really essentially holding the reins of and skyrizi is 4 doses a year, after 2 starter doses. This and of course, erin, they i see nothing in a different way say they feel like they are not getting enough say here. And its my moment so i just gotta say this is kind of what we reported on last night that they were nothing is everything torn that a vote would empower skyrizi may increase your risk of infections them to be able to review the and lower your ability to fight them. Evidence of this, and the white before treatment your doctor should check you house is disputing that in their for infections and tuberculosis. Statement tonight saying tell your doctor if you have an infection essentially theyre not going to or symptoms such as fevers, sweats, be able to participate fully chills, muscle aches or coughs, until more of this moves from or if you plan to or recently received a vaccine. House init witelligence to the nothing is everything judiciary committee. Ask your dermatologist about skyrizi. As the white house is essentially putting out this statement pushing back on this, but they are going to be questions about what theyve been doing so far because you heard from one republican today who was on one of these three tonight new details about committees that right now is who cracked in trumps speech to allowed in the room for those the nation announcing that isis closeddoor depositions and something that the white house is complaining has been done in le leader baghdadi. Secret. Hes never attended any of the they described him as whimpering depositions so far. And crying in his last moments. Were hearing from the white house so far and officials have so far no official has been able not been pleased to hear that the republican member hasnt to publicly confirm those been in the room and the question how they changed their details. Barbara starr is out front. Tactic if at all going after reporter his last minutes this vote on thursday. Kaitlan, thank you very much. Alive described by President Trump in explicit detail. The thug who tried so hard to obviously, you lose all ground to stand on when you say you intimidate others spent his last dont have access and you have all access and dont bother moments in utter fear, in total showing up. Congressman, so let me just start with you with the panic and dread, terrified of the American Forces bearing down impeachment resolution that kaitlan was just talking about. On him. Reporter trump emphasizing in it, in part it says republicans may request baghdadis emotional state. Witnesses to be part and issue he didnt die a hero, he died subpoenas, but continues to say a coward. Those subpoenas will be issued reporter but how does with the concurrence of the President Trump know that . Chair which, of course, means so far this remains an democrats that democrats get to unanswered question. I dont have the details. Sign off on any subpoenas r the president probably had the opportunity to talk to the commanders on the ground. Republicans want. I dont know what the source so let me cut to the chase. If they want to subpoena hunter of that was. Reporter the white house has not responded to cnns inquiry biden will you guys let him . That will be a decision that the full Committee Makes by on whether the president spoke to any members of the military vote, but the reality is this resolution contains protections team and aides ignoring that are greater than the protections that were afforded questions on how the president president clinton and president knew baghdadis emotions in the nixon, so this is a resolution that sets forth the procedures final moments. We will follow in the public yeah, im not going to talk hearing phase of the impeachment about specifics on technology of inquiry. It ensures that the president what we do during those moments. Has an opportunity to present witnesses, that the republicans reporter cnn did learn that have the opportunity to call witnesses and so all of that is trump told aides he wanted a set dporth in the resolution and tough speech after the raid according to one source. There is a process without the officials later told colleagues vote of the full committee. The version trump delivered on there are more democrats and sunday did not resemble what they put together. The republicans. Trump was changing words until the hunter biden example would be basically no way, right . The last minute. They can appeal to the committee one defense official tells cnn and theres no hunter biden . Its not likely the president s look, the democrats have been the ones that have been leading comments are based on him the effort to collect evidence and to get at the truth. Hearing baghdadis voice inside i think we will continue to behave in that spirit. We certainly dont want to waste the situation room where he time with witnesses that dont monitored the mission unless have anything to contribute, but if there are witnesses that the special terms were made. Republicans suggest that will actually contribute to the fact trumps fullcourt press finding i think the committee continues. Will embrace it. Tomorrow general kenneth mckenzie, who was the senior we shouldnt lose sight of what this is really about. Officer overseeing the mission, this is about the president of is expected to make public the United States getting on the telephone call attempting to declassified video from a drone bully a foreign leader into ginning up a phony investigation flying overhead during the raid. Another question, did the of one of his political rivals and holding up military aid to president give out too much that country and holding up a information when he said things like it was approximately 1 10 meeting with that president until that investigation is announced. So flight and we were flying over this is a betrayal of his oath of office. Very, very dangerous territory. Its a betrayal of the integrity im not quite sure the of our elections and it undermined the National Security president has a finally tuned interest of the congress and the ear for what is sensitive and what is not sensitive. Conduct is really our focus. So you heard the statement reporter one item still from the white house in response classified, the name of the to the resolution thus far and military working dog that helped chase baghdadi down. Theyre not happy. I know that you all say the erin . Barbara, thank you very much president s lawyers will have an and as barbara said, the name opportunity to present their case and to attend their not yet fully released, and hearings and raise objections with due process. Jeanne has the story on the dog. It says if trump doesnt make witnesses available and doesnt he died like a dog. Provide all requested documents so baghdadi died like a dog and essentially all bets are off. So are you really giving him due but the dog is also the hero. Very mixed messages about dogs process and the chance to make his case . Of course, look. In this story. At bayer, were more than a healthcare company. We should remember, we are still in the investigation phase and this is akin to the grand jury. 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The tone of this potentially new tonight, democratic very significant day in this congressman Joaquin Castro accusing President Trumps hand potential impeachment hearing picked ambassador to the eu Gordon Sondland of perjury, was set for the day. The first witness was on the lying under oath after hearing from President Trumps top multiple calls between President Trump and ukraines president ukraine expert on the national zelensky. That witness, Lieutenant Colonel security council, Lieutenant ColonelAlexander Vindman. Vindman says this about a july meeting in washington with vinman arrived on capitol hill. Ukrainian and american officials, and i quote vindmans his body carrying the shrapnel Opening Statement. Ambassador sondland started to he received from an i. E. D. Speak about ukraine, delivering he corroborated and expanded specific investigations in order upon what we know about military to secure the meeting with the aid for ukraine. President at which time ambassador bolton cut the we know he d meeting short. All right. Now following this meeting there was a scheduled debriefing during which ambassador sondland has emphasized the importance that ukraine deliver the investigations into the 2016 election, the bidens and burisma. This is extremely significant. Yes, it does fit with Everything Else that weve heard from other witnesses, this one. Because when sondland testified he testified this, i recall no discussion with any state department or white house official about former Vice President biden or his son nor do i recall take part in any effort to encourage an investigation into theed bience. Both of those mened under oath. Out front now, the general counsel of the defense department, greg brower, a s assistant director of the fbi. Abby philip and david arben who was an adviser to the 2020 campaign and a washington lobbyist. Let me start with you, ryan, and heres the thing. Both of these men testified under oath, okay . This is a sacred thing you do in this country, you testify under oath and this is what vindman said. Vindmans version completely dove tails with taylor and anyone else thats testified thus far. It was supposed to be their Silver Lining and that hasnt happened and youre correct, its not only that its vindmans testimony and its taylors testimony that flatly contradicts what sondland said and fiona hills testimony and those three individuals dont have any incentive to lie. Theyre speaking under oath and its directly contradicting what sondland also said. Sondland said that fiona hill and no other National Security official raised any concerns with him and didnt say anything he was doing was acting improperly, thats his word for it and vindman told Congress Today that he directly said and fiona hill directly said to sondlands face that he was acting inappropriately. Theres no daylight between inappropriate, theres no other way around it. And they expressed those concern, abby, so strenuously that they reported it to the lead counsel of the nsc. It wasnt like, he shouldnt have said that. It was very formal and very specific. Ambassador sondland is the person in all of this, and not just is his testimony sort of on an island. He is very close to the president. Yeah. I think thats what makes his testimony so important and why getting to the bottom of what those differences are and why they seem to exist is really important. Sondland is the only person who has testified so far who has had extensive, direct contact with the president on the issue of ukraine. He had phone calls with the president. He had a lot of conversations with the president and with giuliani about his wishes and about what he wanted to convey to president zelensky before they agreed to a meeting. It is very important that congress get to the bottom of whether this is a case of lying or whether sondland doesnt quite remember things the same way that fiona hill and other individuals do. Is he trying to protect the president . Is he trying to protect himself . There are a lot of reason for him to potentially protect himself because the closer and closer you get to the person at the heart of this which is the president the more at risk you are at some kind of jeopardy one way or another on this. Vinman testified just to go through another point here that after sondland linked the investigations to the vindman s ambassador sondland that his statements were inappropriateot National Security and that such investigations were not something the nsc were going to get involved in or push and dr. Hill then entered the room and asserted to ambassador sondland that his statements were inappropriate. Bill taylor, when he testified, the top u. S. Diplomat in ukraine and his version of events supported vindman 100 and hill was on that phone call and he says that they, quote, had connected investigations with an Oval Office Meeting for president zelensky which so irritated ambassador bolton that he abruptly ended the meeting. Its almost the words here, co and this is as i emphasize statements under oath because again, greg, i want to make the point that sondlands testimony, quote, if ambassador bolton, dr. Hill and others harbored misgivings, they never shared those very people who testified under oath that did exactly what he says they didnt do. Right, erin. That appears to be potentially problematic for the ambassador. All of the evidence so far and as a prosecutor i look at the evidence. The evidence so far tells us that the version of events that we heard from the colonel today has been corroborated by other witnesses including ambassador taylor and other documentary evidence, email, et cetera. The entire context and simple logic, and so you put it all together and it looks like there is a version of what happened, that is the truth and then theres ambassador sondlands version. The other thing they think is important to look at here is ambassador sondland which i think is an outliar. Everyone else in this equation is a career public servant. No relationship with the president , no reason to defend him or lie about any of this and ambassador sondland, and im not suggesting hes lying, but lets just look at the facts. He has hes the only one of all of the players so far who is a political appointee, close to the president and would arguably have a reason to carry the president s water or defend him against a narrative that would be harmful to him and his presidency. So its its not hard if my view so far to figure out which side is telling the truth and which side is not. Well, i mean, david, heres the other question. You know, not in all instances and in some of them sondland uses the i dont recall, right . When he says, you know, they never shared the misgivings is obviously definitive, but in many other cases he says i dont recall which, you know, i feel like the people and the president of the United States has written testimony to robert mueller, he used a word or a phrasing similar of that in 19 out of 22 of his answers. Did people generally use that when go ahead, david. Well people generally use that when they dont recall. I mean any lawyer and all of the lawyers on this panel tonight will tell you thats a perfectly acceptable legal answer. Lets just not forget here. Lets step back and look at what the colonel testified about today. In his testimony today the colonel talked about the phone call that he participated in. He said that his recollection of events track exactly almost to the word, he said, what the what the kranz crypt which was released by the white house. The colonel never mentioned once that he thought there was a mention of a quid pro quo. He did not like the fact that the president was talking about an investigation, but there was no quid pro quo. He didnt testify about that today. I dont know what was discussed. We do know that okay. On, that i mean we do know because it would have been leaked out. The president of the United States says, but first i want you to do a favor. No, erin, this is when we get lets use the words quid pro quo. No one uses those words when theyre doing a quid pro quo. Stick to the facts. Yes, i am sticking to the facts. In a statement that was released and he says there was no link between the meeting and aid. He specifically discusses that. He doesnt say any such thing and he just said he was extremely concerned about what was on the call. And the president s behavior on the call. Erin, if i could just go ahead. Yeah. Im surprised that we still hear from people who are trying to defend the president by trying to explain to the rest of america that somehow there was not a quid pro quo. There was clearly a quid pro quo. Reasonable minds could differ as to whether or not thats an impeachable event or offense, but lets be honest, was there a quid pro quo and based on what . Statements about what lawyers do and how they advise their clients . Lawyers advise their clients to say i dont recall when their clients say to them that they dont recall. Lawyers do not advise their clients to say i dont recall in an effort to protect somebody like the president of the United States when in fact they do recall. So let me make sure we understand what good lawyers do. If ambassador sondland was trying to protect the president of the United States he could have ignored the subpoena as many others have. He could have not showed up. Oftentimes in my experience, david that blows a big hole in your proposition. No, it doesnt. Let me tell you about witnesses. Yes, it does, if he was trying to protect the president let me explain how witnesses who are wealthy, init will gent people. They often think theyre too clever by half and they can fool the investigators by expressing a narrative with confidence. He he had a story he thought would protect the president and he confidently shared the narrative and other witnesses and something that ambassador sondland did not anticipate and theyre coming forward to contradict his narrative. Well hit pause. I will emphasize that it is something involved in these calls except for one person. The one person whose version doesnt fit with anybody elses version. Hold on, david. We are going to take a break, but you will come back and i want to talk about democrats trying to oust the whistleblower, and the fep republicans say no way. A new poll shows biden in third place. Should he be worried . Ah, ah [thunder crashing] ahh my mower burke the number one. 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Tonight, a shouting match erupting between democrats and republicans in todays impeachment deposition with democrats trying to oust the ukraine whistleblower prompting a warning from the House Speaker nancy pelosi. The whistleblower is an unpatriotic action. They shouldnt even go near that. This after President Trump resumed his attacks tweeting where is the whistleblower . Just read the transcript. Everything else is made up garbage by shifty schiff and the never trumpers. Let me start with you. The president wanted the whistleblowers name for a while and this is a moment to take a step back and say the whistleblowers identity, never mind the law that it needs to be protected is actually irrelevant because what the person has said is now being investigate individual of these depositions and thats the way the way its supposed to work that the whistleblower is supposed to maintain the confidentiality to verify whether or not the concerns they raised are true or not and thats whats happening and on top of that, it does seem as though almost everything in the whistleblower complaint has been corroborate order confirmed based on the testimony, based on the transcript that comes out after the fact and then based on the reports about what weve heard has gone on inside of the hearings that all of this supports the whistleblower so theres no reason to go and identify who the person is. Its sort of like a its a distraction in a sense about this. Jim jordan, one of the president s most loyal allies on capitol hill is pushing back on this saying were not trying to out the whistleblower. Heres what he said today. Democrats are saying that youre trying to that republicans are trying to out the whistleblower. No. Were trying to get information and have the witness answer questions. Do you want to know who the whistleblower is . I want to get to the truth. The implication there was that in the hearing itself what republicans were trying to do was use process of elimination to try to narrow down who this person might be because they were asking about all of these potential people who were in the environment around this call. So it is entirely feasible that that was what was happening and democrats interpreted that as an attempt to ferret out the name. What this is is just an effort by the president and his allies to try to get some kind of offensive capabilities here in this impeachment inquiry. The president has always, you know, his aides have told me for the duration of his presidency, he needs a foil. He needs a person that he can fight back against. This has become a very diffused fight for him and there are a lot of people and he says he has no idea who they are and theyre testifying behind closed doors and he wants the whistleblower to be the person that becomes the face of this investigation who he can in some ways villainize what hes been trying to do, but he doesnt have a name. He doesnt have a face or much information about the person and so this is why theres such a desire on the president s part and his allies to get to the point where the whistleblower has no choice, but to come forward and his name is revealed in some other way. Do you think thats what the president s trying to do to have the whistleblower become the faceless face behind all of this for people . Yeah. Erin, i hon of thely have no idea and i agree with you. I think its completely irrelevant. I think the facts are what they are. The transcripts out. The president said what he said. Whats the president s mens rea at the time . Did he have a corrupt intent here . And was he trying to withhold military aid for this for this in return for an investigation . I think thats the nub of the issue and not whether the whistleblowers identity comes forward or not i think is irrelevant. I think what is relevant is to drill down the people who are on this kill. There will be another mr. Morris is testifying thursday and he participated in the call, firsthand witness and mr. Taylor, and you know, references him many, many times during his statement. So i think its important to hear from vindman, from morris and folks who participated and hear what their take was and again, i will say in the statement that was provided by mr. Vindman, he does not talk about aid being withheld. He took a great deal of umbrage with politics getting involved saying it would complicate things and make it not bipartisan. He didnt really talk about aid being withheld and the specifics being talked about by the congress. So, greg, let me ask you on the issue of the whistleblower. I think we can all sit here and say that it doesnt matter, right . Because what matters is if what the person said is true or not true, but it matters to the president and its clear it matters to him because of what he said multiple times. Here he is talking about the whistleblower. I think we have to find out who the whistleblower is that would give all this false information. The whistleblower got it all wrong . Who is the whistleblower . Who is the whistleblower . Who is the whistleblower . We have to know. Is the whistleblower a spy . You know, these whistleblowers, they have them like theyre angels, okay . So doav a totally false account of my conversation . I dont know. You tell me. Greg, he cares deeply about finding out who this person is. Thats clear. Hes obsessed with it like he has been obsessed with fbi agents who are investigating him and prosecutors who are looking at potential criminal conduct and others who judges who have ruled against him in litigation. Hes always going after those who he feels are somehow out to get him. You remember several months ago when he made a point of kr criticizing cooperators or rats as he called them in criminal investigations and its a way that he attacks those who appear to be looking at potential criminal wrongdoing on his part, and so the whistleblower is just the latest target for the president in that regard. All right. Thank you all very much. I appreciate your time. Next, a new report says republicans are worried about losing the senate and the white house in 2020. Could democrats have a clean sweep. Is that possible . 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