Rhetoric, he needs to tone it up. Really . And cnn just learning that authorities now believe the suspicious passage addressed to billionaire democratic do donor tom steyer is also from cesar sayoc. Steyer is my guest. Good evening, everyone. Im kate bolduan. Outfront tonight, we have breaking news. Behind bars, the alleged bomb maker now linked to at least 14 ieds sent across the country is in jail tonight. This, were going to show you is video of cesar sayoc leaving the Fbi Field Office in miramar, florida. Hes been charged with five federal crimes, including illegal mailing of explosives and threats against former president s. Sayoc could face up to 48 years in prison if convicted. And this, were going to show you, is where it all went down. In the parking lot of an Auto Parts Store near ft. Lauderdale, florida. Officials also hauling away the suspects white van, which has been plastered with stickers, with images, a lot of images of President Trump, Vice President mike pence, but also images of democrats like Hillary Clinton with a target on her face as well as a sticker that says, cnn sucks. The fbi director this afternoon laying out how serious a threat sayoc posed. 13 ieds were septembnt to va individuals across the country. Each device consisted of roughly six inches of pvc pipe, a small clock, a battery, some wiring and what is known as energetic material, which is essentially potential explosives and material that give off heat and energy through a reaction to heat, shock, or friction. Though were still analyzing the devices in our laboratory, these are not hoax devices. Not hoax devices. From the fbi director. And this list, as i mentioned, its now growing. Again, tonight, 14 ieds that map is absolutely crazy. Authorities are just telling cnn that they believe the suspicious package addressed to billionaire democratic donor tom steyer is also from cesar sayoc. Also discovered today, packages to Democratic Senators cory booker and Kamala Harris and former director of national intelligence, james clapper. That package intended for clapper was addressed to cnn. Here in new york. And tonight, the president is acknowledging that the suspect does support him politically. I did not. I did not see my face on the van. I dont know i heard he was a person that preferred me over others, but i did not see that. Guess thats an acknowledgment of something. Jim sciutto is outfront in washington. This all went down fairly quickly today, and now the suspect is in custody. Reporter thats right. Within about an hour of that package to director clapper being discovered, the feds had their man, remarkably quick work here, and the keys were two clues, a fingerprint and dna discovered on more than one of those packages. Tonight, 56yearold cesar sayoc is in custody. We can confirm that 13 ieds were sent to various individuals across the country. These are not hoax devices. Reporter Officials Say that he was living with his parents, but they had kicked him out. So he was now living out of his van, which authorities took into custody after his arrest. The van, covered in political decals, images of the president and Vice President and one saying, cnn sucks. A frequent chant at the president s rallies. Sayoc attended one of those rallies in melbourne, florida, in 2017, and held up a sign with the same message. He has been active across social media, posting images of himself at trump rallies, prorepublican messages, attacking many of his alleged targets, such as Hillary Clinton and former president barack obama. Even posting memes attacking billionaire investor george soros after a potential explosive was found at soros home. Other alleged targets, former Vice President joe biden, senator cory booker and congresswoman maxine waters. And sayoc posted a series of threats directed at cnn. Its anchors, correspondents, and contributors. The Washington Post quoting one of his former employers, describing the disturbing images on his van. It was puppets with their heads cut off, mannequins with their heads cut off, ku klux klan, a black person being hung. Online records show that sayoc has an extensive arrest record across two states including grand theft, battery, fraud, drug possession and one in miami in 2002, which according to a Police Report he threatened to blow up a florida Utility Company worse than september 11th. He pleaded guilty and was sentenced to a years probation. Now, he faces five federal charges, up to 48 years in prison. The defendants conduct as charged is cowardly and reprehensible and totally anathema to our democracy. Reporter sayoc will make his First Court Appearance on monday, ultimately were learning this is going to be handled by federal prosecutors in new york. The Southern District of new york, the same court that has dealt with Many International terror suspects as well. Great to see you, jim. Thank you so much. Outfront for us now is debra. Shes a general manager of new river pizza and fresh kitchen in ft. Lauder dadale where sayoc worked for several months until he quit in january. Thank you so much for joining us this evening. Really amazing circumstances that im speaking to you under. He worked with you until january. What did you think when you heard him named today . I was shocked. I could believe it. My hair stood up. I knew he had issues. He really was not he definitely beat to the beat of his own drum. He was antigay, antiblack, antijewish, you name it, everybody that really wasnt white and wasnt a white supremacist didnt belong in the world. Thats what he used to say to me all the time. But i really was shell shocked when i found out it was him. I really couldnt believe it, because as far as an employee, he was on time, he was cordial, he was articulate. I never had any problems with him. There was no theft. My customers liked him. But it was just his political views that scared me. Basically, he was a model employee. Thats what i i cant understand. Im sitting here saying to myself, what happened . I just cant go ahead. Debra, it almost sounds like two different people. Youre talking about an employee who shows up on time, who was, as you said, cordial, but he had issues i mean, and when you talk about the things hes spouting, clearly he had issues. Was he violent . Not at all. There was no violence at all. I mean, he made it a point he knew i was a lesbian and he made it a point to tell me that god had made a mistake with me and that i should burn in hell he would just say that to you, just straight to your face . Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. But my mother brought me up to always believe the best in people. You know, and turn the other cheek, and i had people not like me because ive been gay, and to me, i didnt have to go home with him. He was not a friend of mine. I just hired him. He did his job. And thats how i looked at it. You know, i didnt you know, accept his political views. We had arguments about it. You know, he invited me many, many times out. He said he worked at a casino, to come and see some shows with him. But i couldnt bring a partner. I had to come alone. Sorry about that. But as far as an employee goes, he really was wonderful. Im just i wish i had more like him as far as that aspect goes, but on the other aspect, the van was frightening. I wanted to ask you about the van. The ku klux klan there has been so much attention on his van today. Did he bring that very same van to work . Absolutely. He did. And thats why i hired him to drive at night. I couldnt have him driving in the daytime. I had him driving at night. He parked the van around the corner. I never got any complaints from any of the customers. If i did, he would have been fired. I cant and this is what people seem not to understand. I cant fire somebody because of their political views. Whether they dont like me or they dont like a black person or a gay person, i cant do that. I cant. As much as id like to, i couldnt. But his van was freaky scary. I actually was talking to my brother a few minutes ago, and i was telling him he was driving me home one night because it was raining, and when i got in the van, i just remember looking, is there any way i can get out . Because i said, he really appreciated me as a general manager, liked me, but hated me as being a lesbian, so i always wanted to make sure if he ever offered me a ride that i could find a way out of that van. Debra, thats actually what i wanted to ask you. Youve been inside that van. Can you describe what you saw inside . The van had a lot of mcdonalds, taco bell boxes, lot of laundry, hygienically, it was filthy. It was dirty. It was smelly. It was beer bottles in there, vodka bottles in there. But he always dressed impeccably. He always had on nice cologne. He always looked great. If he was delivering my food to me, id say, hey, come on in. He always played the part very well and maybe thats just it. He played the part real well. Was he was it your understanding he was living in the van at the time when he worked with you . No. He told me that his family they were from the seminole tribe and he had a home on the reservation here, and he also had a home in plantation, and he was very proud that he just got accepted into driving, like, a hazmat trucker, going to the different ports with biochemicals, and this was he was going to school in north carolina. And he was very proud of that. I saw in the Washington Post, he told their reporter that inside the van, there were puppets with their heads cut off and mannequins with their heads cut off in. Puppets with their mannequins and puppets and nooses, you know, but that was on his van also. There was ku klux klan, there was nazi symbols. Did he talk to you about these things when you were in there . No. Absolutely not. He talked to me about coming to a show at the hard rock, but i would have to come by myself. He really he appreciated me as a general manager and that whatever i could do for him, i did. If he needed time off to go home early, i would let him go home early and i appreciated him as being on time and being, you know, articulate and due diligent and all of that. As far as the political views, no, we when he would start on that, i would just kind of nip it in the bud and say, you got a delivery up, you got to go. He knew that i was a very strong supporter, very strong lesbian, very proud of my sexuality, but more than once, he told me that if he had complete autonomy, i would burn in hell with all the blacks and jews and hispanics and everybody else. It was just the White Supremacists that were going to rule the world. And unfortunately, he said, debra, as much as i like you, youre going to be the first one i burn. Geez. Did he openly talk proudly about did he call himself a white supremacist . Did he openly talk about it . Yes, he called himself a white supremacist and he called himself a nazi supporter. Did he talk about i mean, if you look at his van, you see stickers of President Trump, Vice President pence, did he talk about the president . He talked about obama and Hillary Clinton, that he detested them. And that i would be on that island that he blew up with them. So, those two, the only two. And cnn. And cnn. And as a matter of fact, Rachel Maddow, i love Rachel Maddow and we talked about her, and she was one of the other lesbians that was going to go on the island with me. Did he talk about where he got this from . I mean, did he talk about because he was seen during the, you know, 2016 and hes been at rallies, hes posted about being at rallies with the president. Did he talk about where his burning hate of cnn came from or of anyone else . No. He just he just said that the people that he labeled were very weak and that he would that he wanted to purify society. So, in order to do that, he would have to get rid of the gays and the lesbians and the tra transgenders and the blacks and the jews and whoever else didnt follow his suit, whoever else didnt follow his policy and political views. Did he ever talk about family . I must go ahead. Im sorry. Go ahead. No, his father no, thats all right. His father, he told me, was a construction worker and he had a lot of contracts with the hard rock casino, and he was living on the reservation and i was we would talk a lot about certain things because the referendum was just coming up in massachusetts about gambling and i wanted to know about, you know, what its like being born in a tribe and, you know, what it affords you and things like that, and he would tell me about that, how much money he would get and the stipends and living on the reservation, and his father getting all the contracts from the reservation. Things like that. I mean, we actually had intelligent conversations, but then, i dont know, it seemed like i dont know if it all of a sudden he came to and said, oh my god, im talking to a lesbian and she seems to be a little bit articulate and smart, now ive got to throw her a dig. So it really lasted five minutes and then he would tell me that, you know, god made a mistake with me and i was deformed and abnormal and things like that. Geez. I think a lot of people tonight are going to be amazed that you could carry on those conversations and work in a workplace with him. But why did he quit, debra . Well, im he quit because he got this job driving a truck in north carolina. And he had to quit. And we were i was everyone was real proud of him because he said that only a few people get picked for this, and everybody was, like, you know, youre going to do really well at it, cesar we called him cesar and youre going to do very well at it. And i have to you just brought up a point, you know, why i was able to deal with him. I must tell you that my mother is, right now, in my brain, in my heart, she always told me, you know, you never know where people come from in life, and you always have to give them, you know, love and kindness and maybe theyre suffering something tragic that you dont know about, and thats how i looked at it. I mean, ive lost a lot of friends because ive been a lesbian, but to be honest with you, my mother used to say, those arent the friends that you want. So, i look at it as that he did his job, he did his job impeccable, and i had no right to fire him because his political views were something that were against me. If there was theft or something that i was hearing from different customers, absolutely. He would have been gone in a heartbeat. But just having those political views, i could not fire him. Thats what this country is made of, you know, and im very proud of that. Well, talk about picture of civility and allowing other views to be heard. Debra gureghian, thanks for coming on tonight. I really appreciate it. Thank you very much. My pleasure. Have a great night. Me too. That was amazing. Outfront with me now, james, retired fbi supervisor, casey jordan is here, criminologist and behavioral analyst, art roderick, and jennifer rogers, former terrorism prosecutor for the Southern District of new york. You guys were all sitting here with me while i was speaking with debra. Casey, i what picture and profile is painted here . It seems like two completely different people that debra is describing. Well, okay, so, technically, everyones going, he has to be mentally ill, but not necessarily so. You have to be deranged to want to hurt someone like this. Not necessarily so. Hes decompensating, hes in an anomic state. He believes hes followed the rules his entire life but nothings going his way. Hes never held down a specific job and hes been living in his van. I think the pivotal hinge was getting kicked out of his parents house. When his mother kicked him out and he finds himself homeless, that gives him a lot of time to start externalizing his locus of control, blaming, scapegoating and as far as we know, he never voted until 2016, which is when he registered as a republican. So for somebody who has a huge void in his life, somebody who was a body builder, according to his cousin, a loss soul, abused steroids that he says rotted his brain, he is looking for direction for the rest of his life and he latched on to an extremist ideology, white supremacy, and it filled the void in his life with purpose and once he could wake up in the morning and say, im going to build a bomb and get back at my president s enemies today, he was probably filled with all kinds of purpose. It gave him a reason to get up and get through his day when i think he had absolutely nothing else going on and i think hes a pathological liar. We dont think hes seminole. I dont think he had a job driving a truck. More will come out but i think he presented a false sense of himself to the outside world, and at a certain point, that snaps, that breaks, and you have to face reality. James, you you go you interview someone like debra to try to learn more about this suspect, what do you take from that . So, to add on to caseys clinical analysis, which is spot on, and thats what our Behavioral Analysis would look at, but look at this guy. This guy is an enigma. Hes a guy that claims membership in the seminole tribe, has a sticker on his van that says native americans for trump and then claims affiliation with white supremacy. The seminole tribe has disavowed him. This is what we would call an edp, an emotionally disturbed person. Someone whos confused, conflicted. Was there a partisan aspect to this . Thats obvious to everyone. But i think on this, you look at his background, you look at the fact that in 2002, he already made a terroristic threat that he was going to blow up the Utility Company in florida, the fact that hes been arrested for drugs, theft, fraud, this guy had a history. What makes it so difficult, everybody wants us to go back and look at facebook posts or look at something that somebody says and unfortunately, when you have free speech rights in this country, people retreat back to, it was just wild hyperbole and thats what makes it difficult. Thats something that strikes me in our conversation just now with debra who worked with him. His views were in plain sight. His hate was out there. But is there anything there that would raise a red flag to suggest that he would do what he did . Well, that interview was quite interesting, because when she started talking about white supremacy, i dealt with White Supremacists in my career and that rhetoric was exactly what you hear. Theyre weak, i need to cleanse. That struck me as, like, wow, this guy is in up to his neck in this stuff. But its right. I mean, hes its a juxtaposition here where he claims that hes a Seminole Indian and he claims hes a white supremacist. Those two things dont go together. And that interview was pretty very interesting. Fascinating. I mean, fascinating. And now it is the sdnys job to peel it all apart and put it all back together because they will be prosecuting the case against him. Where is the what do you think of the case right now . Well, it looks like a strong case. Obviously, theyre just kind of now starting to go through the materials that they seized. They have the van, they did a search warrant on the mothers house, so theyll be going through all of that, but they have his fingerprint, they have his dna in the packages, you know, he apparently admitted at least to some degree he didnt think he was going to hurt anyone, so it looks pretty strong. Its interesting to see what they charged and what they didnt charge. They could up the ante, if you will. This is not this is the floor, not the ceiling. Correct. So all theyre doing in a criminal complaint is establishing probable cause for the arrest and trying to hold him. Hes detained. When they have time, they go through the evidence, go before the grand jury, then were going to see what theyre really going to charge him with so instead of assault, you might see attempted murder and well start to see the evidence of the terrorism enhancement and that really comes into play at sentencing, but it turns it in from around 50year case to a life case, essentially. Okay, and james, sources have told my colleagues here at cnn that nishinitially, when they t him in, he was cooperative, told investigators that the pipe bombs wouldnt have hurt anyone and that he didnt want to harm anyone. Do you believe that . Should investigators believe that . From what im hearing from my Law Enforcement sources, the four components of a bomb were there. There was a power supply, there was an initiator, there was a switch, and there was explosives there, so yes, i think the important thing to think about when were looking at this from a Law Enforcement framework and trying to make sense of this, were trying to make sense of the nonsensical. This guy was clearly imbalanced but Law Enforcement not only has a huge treasuretrove right now of 13 unexploded bombs that they can go take a look at, they are obviously going to get a search warrant for his house, and because of the Public Safety exception, kate, the miranda rights dont apply so when the fbi, s. W. A. T. , and hostage ask you team and members of local Law Enforcement snatched him up, they had the right to ask him questions. Who else is involved . Are there any other unexploded devices out there . To that exact point, does this personality, does this profile, is this someone who acts alone or needed some help . He acted alone. He really is living in his own world. He has a set of rules. Down to his own van. I mean, he really the isolation. He lies when he doesnt even need to lie. He is simply living in a world that works for him, and i think that hes i dont want to call it something as simple as a midlife crisis, but hes 56 years old, okay . He has nowhere to live, no permanent job. A lot of people have a midlife crisis, though, kc. Agreed. But heres the key. He found a purpose with the make America Great again vitriol, hatred, extremism. It gave him a new identity and a reason to live. Whether or not those bombs would have exploded, the real question is did he intend for them to explode and he just got lucky . I dont think he was very sophisticated. But the key is if they had exploded, we would be having an entirely different conversation. Youre saying something really interesting and no one can say that donald trump is responsible for this man putting together a bomb or this man putting bombs in the mail. No one can say that and no one should say that. What youre saying is he found a home for his hate. He sure did. With dylann roof, it went to extreme racism, with the incels, it goes to hatred toward women. In his case, its anyone who speaks out against his beloved president and since the president has normal ietzed hating anyone who disagrees with him, it gave him comfort and made him feel valid. When you know the case that they need to build and all of the parts that are still out there to be investigated because this is really just starting, are you surprised that they arrested so quickly . No, not at all because youre talking about a bomber. So you may have other bombs out there, other people helping him out there so you really do have to scoop him up as soon as you can so you can start doing the kind of questioning that jimmy mentioned. You have to know those things first. Whats your big burning question right now, still tonight . Well, i mean, theres a couple things. You know, was anybody else aware that he was planning to do this . But i think whats interesting is, you know, we talk about all this hightech stuff that we have, the fact that were able to track cell phones, internet communications, and how did we initially get him . On forensics that weve had around since the early 1900s. A fingerprint. They matched it with the dna, obviously, thats newer science, but i thought that was pretty interesting today that the first thing that got him was the package sent to maxine waters, the first package, that had the thumbprint or a fingerprint on it. Amazing work and coordination between from top down. From federal authorities, its been an amazing thing to watch and very scary. I really appreciate you guys being here. Thank you very much. Outfront next, President Trump insists he toned down his rhetoric. But has he really . Fake polls. I call them fake polls. Plus, democratic mega donor tom steyer, his reaction to the breaking news of the suspicious package addressed to him is believed now to have been sent from this very same man, cesar sayoc. Junior achievement reaches young people all over the world to prepare them for the future of work. We go into classrooms and we teach entrepreneurial skills and leadership skills. 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Im extremely grateful to the police and to the post office for doing such an efficient job, both to protect everybody and make sure no one gets hurt and also to apprehend the suspect. I think theyve done an amazing job and im very grateful for what theyve done. Have you seen a picture of it . Has anyone even shown you a picture, if its identical to what weve been seeing over and over and over again now. I saw the picture but i dont think im really competent to do the forensic detective work here. I hear you on that. What did you think, though, tom, when you heard that when it was confirmed to you that it was that they believe its cesar sayoc thats behind this one as well. I thought two things. The first thing i thought was that im very concerned about the safety of the people i work with and my family, so i was very relieved to know that it had been found and that it was not going to harm anybody who i work with or who im related to. And secondly, i thought of this as part of an ongoing attack on our democracy. Clearly this is an act of terrorism, but i think that it falls into a pattern where, in fact, our norms and rules of democracy have been under attack systematically for several years, and i think this just happens to be a very egregious and obvious example of trying to subvert the open discussion, open debate and civil political situation that is the norm for america but which has been put into bans for the last several years. You have taken a very public role, of course, we know in opposing President Trump, calling for his impeachment. Is this is this threat, is this well call it a threat. Is this threat making you rethink being so vocal in taking on the president . On the contrary, kate. I believe that our president , the reason that we have an impeachment petition with more than 6 million signatories is because we believe that mr. Trump is reckless, dangerous, and lawless. And if you look, in fact, at where this gentleman has been sending his bombs, it reflects the kind of violent rhetoric that we have heard. It reflects the attacks on the press which have been consistent, and it really reflects the attacks on open, peaceful democracy that have been going on now for several years and which mr. Trump should absolutely apologize for and promise never to do again, but i dont think were going to hear that. Well, if today is any evidence, absolutely not. I mean, he says he doesnt think he needs to tone it down. He thinks he could tone it up and hes already returned to attacking the media. At least, thats one example. Do you, though, blame the president for this potential attack against you . Look, i dont think theres any direct link, but i think what he has done, i think what mr. Trump has done is create an atmosphere that condones violence, that actually incites peoples most emotional and violent feelings, and creates an atmosphere where people feel free to live out those that kind of behavior and those kinds of feelings, so i feel that he has look, were leading an impeachment drive because we believe that he is that mr. Trump is antithetical to the rule of law and his reaction to this, his unwillingness to say that it was wrong and to apologize, absolutely shows where his heart is. He does not understand that in a civil society, the kind of rhetoric that he uses, his attacks on the press are absolutely wrong and it goes to the attempt to intimidate voters, the attempt to suppress the vote, the extreme gerrymandering that weve seen, what were seeing across the board is an attack on our democracy, and this is just a very specific and obvious example in an atmosphere where weve seen it much more broadly to people who arent famous or, you know, well known. Let me ask you, though, about the specific circumstance youre dealing with right now and the countrys dealing with at this very moment. The president was asked tonight if he would reach out to the former president s, president obama and president clinton. And Hillary Clinton. I want to play for you what he said. If they wanted me to, but i think well probably pass. Hed call if they we dont know who they is, if they wanted me to but i think well pass. Do you want a call from the president . Do you want to hear from him . I dont want to hear, personally. I want him to address the American People and apologize for his behavior. What he was saying as far as i could tell, and thats the first time i ever heard that recording, was that he didnt feel that he owed any kind of apology, he didnt feel that he owed any kind of statement to either the clintons or the obamas. Thats what i heard. And let me say this. If were going to have a civil society, we have to all remember two things. Tell the truth, put america first, and have respect for your opponents. And that is not what i heard in what he said tonight and i didnt expect it anyway. Well, tom, thank you for coming in. I really appreciate your time. Kate, thank you very much for having me. Thank you very much. Outfront for us next, President Trump now saying that the media is exploiting the pipe bombs that have been sent across the country. Plus, attorney general Jeff Sessions says the attacks by the bomb suspect appear to be political. He may have been a part appears to be a part partisan. Were going to talk to a Top Republican in the house. Does he agree with the attorney general . Not long ago, ronda started here. And then, more jobs began to appear. What started with one job spread all around. Because each job in energy creates many more in this town. Lojust use priceline. Ls on travel . You can save up to 60 on hotels. Thats like 120 a night back in your pocket. 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Now he says hell have courage, for a change, but gavins had his chance for eight years, and he never lifted a finger. Its time for someone new. John cox, governor. Tonight, lip service, the word unity came out of the president s mouth today, but it was from teleprompter. The bottom line is that americans must unify, and we must show the world that we are united together in peace and love and harmony as fellow american citizens. Theres that. And then less than ten minutes later at that very same event, the president once again spoke his mind, and then this happened. We get these poll numbers and a lot of them are fake polls. I call them fake polls. And i can do the greatest thing for our country and on the networks and on different things, it will show bad. They will take it back he goes, fake news. Theyre called globalists. They like they like the globe. I like the globe too. I like the globe too, but we have to take care of our people. We have to. Globalists. Lock them up. That was the very same event ten minutes apart. Now, President Trump is at a rally in north carolina. Before he left the white house, he had even more to say. The media has been unbelievably unfair to republicans, conservatives, and certainly to me. Kaitlan collins is outfront. Kaitlan, it didnt take long for the president to switch gears, switch back. Reporter only a matter of minutes there, kate. You saw the president , even in that event in the east room, he was talking about this, calling for unity and then he quickly switched to those comments that you showed and also complained that a lot of the coverage yesterday was about this unfolding manhunt for this person that they arrested today and not focused on his new drug policy proposal. Now President Trump is speaking right now in charlotte, north carolina. He started open he opened his rally with remarks about the attacks, but then he turned to those same old attacks, those verbal attacks on the media, saying this. The medias constant unfair coverage, deep hostility, and negative attacks, you know that. Only serve to drive people apart and to undermine healthy debate. Reporter so you see there, hes going after the media, saying that theyre undermining healthy debate, and then he brings up that congressional baseball shooting just like he did earlier when he was leaving the white house, kate, and he said, no one blamed Bernie Sanders, even though it was a supporter of his, but of course, kate, Bernie Sanders is not the president , and he has not had near the same rhetoric that weve seen from President Trump, not only about the media but also about the people who have been targeted in these attacks, including Hillary Clinton who the president just brought up there, even though he did not say her name in wisconsin at that rally on wednesday night when he kept remarking that he had such good behavior, he just brought her name up there tonight, calling her crooked hillary, and the crowd started chanting, lock her up, as they typically do, kate, as you know, and the president joked to the crowd saying that the media is going to be reporting about you tomorrow. So, making light of all of this, kate. And he didnt do anything to say, after he heard lock them up, to unify, to be more civil. He didnt say that tonight, right . Reporter no, he didnt. He didnt say anything like that. We should also point out that that is also someone the president hasnt called. He hasnt called anyone whos been targeted in these attacks, even his predecessor, barack obama, and when the president was asked about this earlier, he said they didnt think that they would want to hear from him so he was going to pass and a senior official told me there is no intention in this white house of giving a call to anyone whos been targeted in these attacks. Thanks so much. Really appreciate it. Outfront with me now, frank, a columnist for the new york times, joan walsh, and rick santorum, a former senator from pennsylvania. Thank you for being here. Senator, the president , he called for unity today. Minutes later, he does exactly the opposite. Reporters in the room heard them yelling, cnn sucks, lock her up, talk about george soros, and more. He didnt do anything to stop those people. How can he even call for unity with a straight face anymore . Look, i mean, i think the president should take a pause and do just that, call for unity. I guess i can say im disappointed that hes continued, particularly today, the harsh rhetoric, but you know, thats thats what the president is. And i dont look, i see the harsh rhetoric across the board, the president certainly is guilty of it, but so are a lot of other people, and frankly, so are members of the media, very harsh on the president , so you know, its harsh rhetoric all around. Its incivility all around and it doesnt lead to a positive result. Joan . I just dont know how you can compare what the president has done for the last three years with what anyone else has done in the democratic side. I really i want to take a moment to address this comparison with Bernie Sanders, because first of all, Bernie Sanders didnt have an enemies list. Bernie sanders never attacked steve scalise, who unfortunately got shot. When Bernie Sanders heard about the shooting and heard about the guy was connected to his campaign, he volunteered once, he denounced him, he denounced the violence. Bernie sanders so did trump. Bernie sanders did not he mentioned him by name and he separated himself. Trump did not separate himself, senator santorum, today. He had the opportunity to do so. He said it had nothing to do with him. I hear he likes me better. Senator sanders came out right away, held a press conference, and denounced this follower of his. His staff came out. And also, senator sanders did not attack the media. Im somebody who endorsed Hillary Clinton. I had a contentious relationship with the sanders folks but when people came after me online occasionally and sometimes they did, senator sanders himself told them to stop it. His staff, i remember one night when people were being brutal, his staffers told their own supporters to knock it off. And i honestly say, in this moment, forget the what aboutism. Forget what happened yesterday or the day before. I think lets talk about right now. The president called for unity. He is not unifying. I mean, frank, the president the president took to twitter, shockingly, earlier today, and this was before the suspect was captured, and this tweet, just want to read it for everybody. Republicans are doing so well in early voting and at the polls, and now the, quote, unquote, bomb stuff happens and the momentum greatly slows. News, not talking politics. I mean, in that, the president is seeming to fan the flames of the false flag hoax conspiracy theories that are out there among conservative media and have been out there since the moment this even popped up. I mean, just listen to this. Look how evenly proportioned every sticker is. Look nothing is offline. There isnt any overlap. Nothing has been slapped up there in passion or anger. I will repeat its a high probability that the whole thing is set up as a false flag to gain sympathy for the democrats. He was a wretchedly incompetent bomber who didnt know how to make a bomb, someone who wanted to embarrass President Trump, somebody who wanted to affect american political life. It could have been a russian invention. How can these conspiracy theories endure after the director of the fbi came out and said these are not hoax devices and Jeff Sessions is clearly says this man is partisan. Well, i mean, the bigger question is how can the president of the United States fan these conspiracy theories . I mean, how does he say on the one hand, we need to unify, we need to be dignified about this, and then actually feed this sort of thing. I think he does it all the time, but when its truly lives were threatened, it just has taken on a a very different feel p feeling. But also, senator santorum said earlier theres incivility across the board. Yes, there is, but hes the president of the United States, so why do we keep on saying, well, donald trump, may not be perfect but none of us is perfect. Thats all true. Im not president. Joan isnt president. Theres a higher standard or there used to be for the president of the United States and hes lowering that standard every day more and more to the point where were thats tragic. I still wonder why is there this knee jerk desire to not believe the facts before you . Instead start feeding these conspiracy theories . I condemn all that. This kind of talk that somehow, that this was some conspiracy and how the bumper stickers, look, these friends of mine. This is, they talk about trump deraink syndrome on the left, which exists. But i think youre seeing a little bit of it on the right. You cant defend the president when he tries to elevate conspiracy theories that arent there. The president is not to blame for this man doing what he did. And i know there are people this network and a lot of networks saying that. Were not saying that. People are saying it. I can show you clips. On this show, on any show i am on, i am not saying that. President trump did not tell this man to make a bomb. But, but my point is that the president and a lot of people are reacting to those comments and making equally outrageous comments on the other side. Both sides. Youre talking to someone who has been vilified by the media for 20 years so i know what it is like to have people threaten me and my life threatened. Because it happened to me. It happened because i was vilified in the press. I didnt go after the media. Maybe i should have but i didnt. Dont stlit and think that this is somehow one sided and there is nobody else to blame here. The reality is this is a very tough world that were living in now with rhetoric escalating on both sides. And it is both sides. It might be escalating but this has been a terrifying week and this is an act of terror. The president has said that himself. I will lead with this thought. We dont know what is in this mans head, cesar sayoc. But would his list of targets exist if wasnt for the president and his, and what he says all the time over and over again. Thats what ill leave you with. Thank you. Outfront next, the Top Republican who has been the target of threats weighs in and what the president needs to do now. An autonomousthinking vehicle protecting those inside and out. And its the mercedesbenz of today that will help us get there. 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They have a major role to play as far as tone. Tone. This is just hours after a man was arrested and has been linked to at least 14 now ieds sent to targets. Targets of his and targets of the president , including the clintons and the obamas. Congressman, thank you for coming in. Our privilege. Thank you. Do you think the president , he said today, he said tonight. Do you think the president is at all sincere when he call for unity . Do you believe him . I do. I believe in his heart he wants to see things unified. I believe there is responsibility that goes around. I think it is the bottom of his heart. I believe he wants to have a more peaceful union. As long as it is a union that he decides how it looks . How does it begin . Doesnt it begin with him . Well, i think if hes the commander in chief, certainly, there is responsibility there. The three years, almost four years now that we served in the United States congress, we have made sure that our tone, our heart, the way we share things is always in a form that does more than just make the argument. It is more about making a difference. This coming monday evening im a presenter at the gala awards and i hope that is in due part to some of my tone. I think it is very important. I think all of americans need to get back to the place where were sending messages in the ballot box and using the post office for absentee ballots and not ieds. Amen to that. But how . Law enforcement is still looking for maybe more ieds out there. The attorney general said he thinks the motivation behind the attacks seems to be political. Im going to play that. Could you tell us plainly, why was he targeting democrats . I dont know. Other than what you might normally expect. He appears to be partisan but that would be determined by the facts as the case goes forward and im not able to comment on that. What we know outside looking in, do you agree with sessions . I will tell you, as the starting pitcher on the Baseball Team and my teammates, once we found out that a guys name we to this name dont mention, james hodgkinson, we on never blame Bernie Sanders, even though he worked as a volunteer, and two, that we wouldnt give him the attention that maybe he craved. We abhor any kind of thing like this. It doesnt mean there is a specifically a connection as well. But people are driven by partisans and biases. So i appreciate what youre saying tonight. I really. Do what do you say to the folks on the far right, rush limbaugh, geraldo rivera, im not sure if you had a chance to hear it, who are questioning whether these attacks are even real. Calling it a hoax. I think perpetrated by the russians to embarrass trump. Something like that. What do you say to them . I think my responsibility its a an elected official, republicans and democrats alike, weve got to make sure the tone is right. As a former pastor, i dealt with many couples with family members dealing with disorders. Three weeks ago weighed secret service. We had some threatening messages and somebody trying to find out where my 12yearold daughter was going to school. We have to set a better tone. I cant speak for all these organizations about left and right, who may propagate some of those false messages. I know what i can do. And i would call on the other 434 members of the house to do the same. And probably the one person living in the oval office as well. Thank you very much. I appreciate your time tonight. And thank you for joining us this evening. So much to cover. I appreciate your time. Ac360 starts right now. Good evening. Thank you for the hard work of dedicated professionals around the country. There is a lot to be thankful for. An alleged serial bomber is in custody in south florida and thanks to yet others, more ieds, as the fbi called them, were intercepted before they could hurt anyone. Were learning more about the suspect. A man named cesar sayoc. Were showing pictures of him because authorities have asked us to in the hope thats others who may have encountered him will come forward. We are also learning as well about the political agenda that he plastered all over the van he was actually living in. Pro trump messages, pictures. President , a sticker