0 i would say it has been a pretty good show. it got a little hot. the debate continues online. from the left, i'm stephanie cutter. >> from the right, i'm s.e. cupp. join us monday for another edition of "crossfire." erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. >> outfront, the government shutdown. speaker john boehner says this isn't, quote, some damn game. has president obama won or not? and the woman who charged the barricade at the white house. we have new clues as to why she did it. we have new video and also crucial new information about what was going on in her head. and deadly hornets coming to america. yes. those are deadly. they're here. let's go "outfront." good evening, everyone. washington gives up. absolutely nothing worthwhile seem to be going on in our nation's capital. there were theatrics in washington today. name calling but no progress toward ending a new four-day old government shutdown. dana bash is on capitol hill. jim acosta is at the white house. i'll start with you. the only real question at this point, name calling, sure, name calling galore. is there any end in sight to this? >> reporter: no, there really does not look like there is an end in sight any time soon. this government shutdown could last a while. john boehner came to cameras with a company of the "wall street journal" quoting an official to make a point. >> he said we don't care how long this lasts because we're winning. this isn't some damn game. >> reporter: the theatrics and language were vintage boehner. >> we should not have to move a third bill before the senate gets off their ass. >> reporter: and this during 2009 health care debate. >> no, we don't have time to do that. >> reporter: a democratic group released its own made for tv moment. literally. this ad comparing boehner to a cry baby demanding his way or nothing. >> speaker boehner did not get his way. >> reporter: the problem for republicans, it is no longer clear what they're demanding from democrats to reopen the government. when asked that question, boehner said this. >> we sent four bill to the united states senate. four different positions, trying to soften our position to get the senate interested and keeping the government open and bringing fairness to the american people under obama care. >> reporter: till, republicans are right that democrats won't negotiate. >> he needs something. he needs a life line in order to save face, in order to agree. you're not giving him one -- >> how about my life line? we agreed to $988 billion. my caucus voted for and agreed to. don't talk about his life line. talk about mine. >> reporter: even as the parties battle for the upper hand in the shutdown blame game, behind the scenes they're bracing for the next fight. in less than two week, october 17th. congress must raise the debt limit or face default. >> i don't believe we should default on our debt. it is not good for our country. >> reporter: cnn is told, privately boehner told colleagues he is willing to trays debt ceiling with democrats' help. but boehner also told his rank and file friday, the president must negotiate. give in on something to chip away at the debt. >> his message was i'm not willing to roll over on the debt ceiling? >> he said requiring both sides to come to the table and to negotiate for what's best for america. >> reporter: really unclear how the debt ceiling issue will be resolved but it is becoming increasingly likely that the government shutdown won't end until we get closer to that next major congressional deadline which is just unl two weeks away. >> thank you very much. as dana says, they all said that they would never let the government shutdown. and now they're saying they won't let the government default. so i don't know. you lied last time. what about this time? any way the quote in the "wall street journal" from a senior administration official getting a lot of attention from all sides, the quote, was we are winning. it really doesn't matter touts. dana just gave us boehner's response. what is the white house saying? i know they are not happy about this quote being out there, jim. >> reporter: that's right. and jay carney, the white house secretary, jumped on twitter almost immediately after this started going viral on twitter to say that basically, quote, we utterly disarow the idea that the white house doesn't care when this ends and then programs showing an appetite to reshape this narrative, the president did something unusual today. he went for a walk outside the gates of the white house, down pennsylvania avenue to a local sandwich shop where he was asked about that winning comment. here's what he had to say. >> there's no winning when families don't have certainty about whether they're going on get paid or not. i've got staff in the white house. there's staff all across the country. in rural areas. we're for the agricultural darrel, for veterans affairs who are on their job despite the fact they're not getting paid or have been send home and want to be on their job because they're after their fellow citizens on the whole range of services and as long as they're off the job, nobody is winning. >> reporter: now as for the meat of the matter, if you'll pardon the sandwich pun, the president said he is still not going to negotiate over other issues outside of the shutdown, outside until the house republicans reopen the government, pass a continuing resolution, and trays debt ceiling. and i asked the president as he was walking back toward the white house when is all of this going to end. here's how he answered that one. >> reporter: how long do you think it will last, mr. president? >> it could end in about a half-hour if they call a vote. >> reporter: there you go. very quickly saying that this is really still all on house speaker john boehner. and some very interesting news at the white house as for the issue that is really at the heart of the shutdown stand-off. that is obama care, the department of health and human services said late today, they will be taking down a key portion, a key feature of health care.gov during the wee hours of the morning to do some maintenance, to correct the glitches that have been experienced by countless people across the country as they try to sign up for insurance through the government's website and a spokeswoman for the department of health and human services says that that website will be back online fully up and running on monday with a significant improvement so that spokeswoman spoke to the customer experience. >> thank you very much. outfront, the president for americans for tax reform, the executor editor of the daily beast, and former adviser, paul begala. you all disagree and you don't call each other anarchists, terrorists, whatever they're saying. here's the thing. everybody is talking about winning. we can make the charlie sheen jokes, quoting the "wall street journal" about winning and rand paul caught on time after his interview talking to mix mcconnell saying we're going on win this. it seems to feel, i know that you have john boehner saying this isn't some damn game, his words, but it certainly appeal the both sides think it's a game. >> they absolutely rthing of winners and loser and the only real loser is the american people. it shows just how much in the bubble in that echo chamber they are. they think they can spin their way out of the situation. now everybody is admitting what we talked about a few days ago. that this is tied to the debt ceiling. this will go on and get more serious. yet there is no serious talks going on behind the scenes. this is a serious problem and it is making as you laughing stock around the world. >> it is. people around the world are shocked. people who admire this country's system of government. the battle has become personal. you saw that democratic ad calling boehner a cry baby and you laugh at i until you realize this is united states of manager. today harry reid talked about setting decorum for senate. i hope he'll do what he knows is right. maybe not the tone you want to get someone to do what you want but certainly better than his tone yesterday. listen to this. >> some recent stories have been suggested that the speaker is keeping government shut down because i hurt his feeling. if that's true, i'm sorry that i hurt your feelings. john boehner, his job is not as important as our country. >> i mean, both sides certainly far from blameless, paul. it is pathetic in the sandbox. aren't democrats making the problem a little worse with things like this? >> i would say from both sides here. be given how thigh stakes are, and given how frayed the relationships are, they don't lake each other. the fact that they're keeping it between the ditches, this is america. with the first contested presidential election we ever had was between thomas jefferson and john adams and they went at it. adams' people said jefferson's mother was an indian squaw and his father, and he said his father was hermaphrodite. >> i didn't that. >> they said he was the hermaphrodite with not the firmness of a man or gentleness of a woman will so john boehner hasn't said anything about the president that i find offensive. and i haven't heard harry reid saying anything. i think they're being just fine. >> i have to say when you put it in that relative contech, i have to completely agree. what about this fact that this could go on for not just to october 17, the technical deadline burk even longer than that. you could find a little money here and there and extend it for a few days here and there. they could turn this into something that really goes on a long time. >> well, obviously i hope it won't. one of the concerns is that the administration doesn't open the books so you can see whether october 17th is a real date. the last time we went through this in 2011, the administration was off by about five, six months on this assertion. and every date they will that you they ran out of money was a politically chosen date. not an economically chosen date. i hope one of the things we will insist on in any debt ceiling increase is that from now on, all of the factors in hitting the debt ceiling will be open and transparent for the american people, the american media for congress to see. so they don't play these games and pick a phony day that we have to live off of. the fellow who made the quote saying the president is winning this game should probably check the gallup poll today which has the president's approval falling down to 41. disapproval, rising to 52. during the question time of the closing of the government, the president is not doing very well at all. so he may think he's winning which is why he is overplaying his hand. >> is he spiking the ball a little bit? at first it was, the public was behind him. hey, republicans are being crazy to make this fight over obama care. as this draws out longer, do you sent sense a little bit, i'm not saying the momentum is but do you sense people are getting a little more confused in. >> everybody is losing. there's could not faugs on capitol hill. nobody comes out of this looking good. everybody's poll number will sink. a reality check here. paul mentioned how awful things were and occasionally entertaining political fights. this is different. we've often had divided government. we got things done. this is different. this is people playing politics with the full faith. this is something dangerous and different. >> grover, 790 days since this country lost its top credit rating which of course was the last time we went through this. we have started to see debt react already in terms of interest rates. we're not that close to it yet. do you think that they are willing to default? i know you raised a very fair case that the date may not be a real date. they were willing to shut down the government. >> remember, the president opened this entire -- president obama opened this entire debate a couple months ago saying he would close the government down saying if he didn't get a tax increase and more money. so he's been very clear that he is willing to close down the government, hit the debt ceiling. he did in august of 2011. make those threats. he didn't carry them out. we got $2.5 trillion in spending restraint over a decade because the president agreed to exactly what boehner had suggested back then which was very reasonable. the president's position that he has to have higher taxes and more spending, that's not going anywhere. so i don't quite know what he wants. >> a very, very quick final to you. the defense department is suggesting they could bring back 400,000 people who are furloughed by monday. that is good for those people and it is important. so of course we're all for that. but it also creates, perhaps, a sense, this shutdown must not have been so important if you can bring back 400,000 people before the government even opens. is that smart to do that in. >> national security has to come first so i will defer to secretary hagel who are trying to keep it safe. but they may not be getting paid. those capitol police officers who were involved in the deadly skirmish yesterday, not getting paid. i want to go back to the point about transparency. that's the kind of point that should be coming up in these negotiations. that's a valid point, i'll probably get fired from my position as a democrat to say that. that's what they should be hashing out. but not what it reportedly, speaker boehner pointed out. what he wants, he wants cuts in social security. he wants a tax reform. the key stone pipeline ending the medicare payment advisory board and killing the device tax. that's a christmas wish list. that's silly. that's delusional. that's not the kind of negotiation you can have with the debt limit hanging over you. >> thanks to all three of you. we appreciate it. our second story "outfront" interesting man at the central of this. political hero orville an? it is not john boip. boehner is a slave to ted cruz who has been driving the force behind derailing obama care. he says the democrats are to blame for shutting down the government. >> the reason we have a shutdown right now is because harry reid and president obama want a shutdown and they have refused to compromise at all. and unfortunately, harry reid and president obama believe this shutdown benefits them as a partisan political matter. that's why you're seeing these sorts of cynical decisions. as the shutdown goes on, cruz' republican parties are fed up. we wanted to know what the people think. that's what's going to drive ted cruz is his voters. in his home state of texas where we went, republicans are standing by the senator. ed lavendera is "outfront." >> do you like green eggs and ham? i do not like them sam i am. i do not like green eggs and ham. >> reporter: on the surface, reading dr. seuss on the floor of the united states senate is ted cruz barreled toward pushing for a federal government shutdown, might seem like the climbed of political moment that could haunt a politician. >> he has helped enormously by making washington mad. he is crazy like a fox in that respect. people think he is ryaning his career, crazy. he is helping his career. >> reporter: cruz has been vilified by democrats but scorned by many in his own party. >> we saw what a fraud ted cruz was. >> reporter: even john mccain called him a wacko bird. for a senator who has been in office less than a year. >> if standing for liberty and standing for the constitution makes you a wacko bird, then count me a proud wacko bird. >> reporter: texas republican strategists says the attack strengthened cruz but said it is less clear how moderate republicans in texas will reaction to cruz' tactics. >> whenever you get a the love national attention, i think the people back home generally like that. he's a very unique talent in politics. he is on a little bit of a high wire act with this shutdown and no one knows where this is headed. >> reporter: ted cruz catapulted on to the main stage of politics last year after winning the senate seat by beat ago well known, well funded republican. and he is refused to play by the country club rules of washington politics. but his critics back home, both republican and democrat, say the government shutdown tactics could expose cruz' flaws. and a cnn poll shows cruz' unfavorable ratings higher than his favorable numbers. and just as many voters are unsure of what to make of him. >> at the end of the day, people are going to see that ted cruz has 15 minutes of fame and all assess a stunt man rather than trying to move our country forward. >> reporter: ted cruz has thrust himself into the spotlight. >> he has put his entire career on the line to rye to impact obama care. >> reporter: the question is will he get burned or burn brighter? for outfront, ed lavendera. >> yes, unfavorable ratings rising but a lot of people in texas loving it. that's what drives him, right? >> absolutely. the base is behind hill neex texas dig defiance. and he is getting a the love headlines. but he is going to get blowback. not just from the democrats but even some senate right republican who's will look at h. >> he seems to be shining bright down there. that's what matters to him. that's what his voters say. thanks. outfront next, new video from the high speed deadly chase that we saw at the white house yesterday. plus, new details about why she rammed the security barrier. what was going on in her head? major developments and what it may have to do with president obama. then a huge development in the case of the newly wed whose husband fell to his death days after the wedding. a much more serious charge tonight. and why would a military veteran get out of a car with his kids inside and suddenly start shooting at police? you tell us what you want to pay, and we give you a range of coverages to choose from. who is she? 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