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was it manslaughter or is zimmerman not guilty of a crime? martin savige has been in the courtroom every day. and martin, all eyes are on this jury. you have been able to see them, obviously, we have not here from the television camera's point of view. but what can you tell us about the jury? >> well, you know, we so intimately follow the trial, not just to be in the courtroom but to watch the reaction of the jurors. so i know them all visually. but there is a lot we don't know about them. a lot of it is to do with the fact we just don't give out identities of the jury. but especially in this case, because of the tensions, the security, we know there are six women, five white, one is of color, maybe hispanic, as well. on top of that, we're kn know t five of them have children, and their ages range from in their 20s to their 60s. and at least two women have an association with a weapon, a gun, one woman at one point had a concealed weapon license. and the others, their families own weapons. the truth is, all bets are off once they are back there deliberating. it is up to them to decide. the process is under way. some thought it would be really quick, now we know it won't be. >> right, it was funny when that happened today and they were released. look, it is going to be longer than we thought. if it was just four or five hours they may just finish tonight late. and they were not even asked that. so when you watch them, you say you know them by sight, martin, what reaction have you seen throughout the trial? have there been -- who has been taking notes? anybody that is more emotional on one side or the other, made a particularly poignant point? >> yes, and no, some people are more note-takers than others. but they have all taken notes. i think that you know, everybody says the same thing when we all compare our notes about them. and that is that they pay close attention, all of them do, i mean, they take this very seriously. there is nobody nodding off or anything like that. they pay very close attention to whenever there is demonstration in the courtroom. some of them, those in the back row get up on their feet and look down. so everything tells those attorneys that they are closely watching this case. and maybe that is why we should not be surprised that there was not some sort of snap verdict. that they know what is riding, they are serious, they are listening carefully and the fact they have asked for a list of all exhibits to be broken down by number and description means that they have a lot they want to reveal. >> all right, well, martin savidge, of course that is a good thing, with so many people watching this trial carefully, not sure what the implications might be, that the jurors have taken it so very, very seriously as they should. george zimmerman's family came out with a statement today, first to cnn, saying look, we respect this, no matter what the verdict is, and we respect it. another important thing to say tonight. our legal analyst, sunny hostin, and paul, let me start with you on how the judge instructed the jury on the very long, drawn out process. 47 pages, i read along as she said it. here are the two highlights. and it sounds like we obviously don't have that sound bite. but brrl r basically she said use your common sense, and consider what the witnesses, how they reacted. which of course points to the emotional part of this. the subjective part of this case, which is so important. a six-person jury, most people in this country think the jury would be 12, but this is six. what does that mean? >> i think a lot of americans will be shocked to find out only six people are deciding this murder case. and i was looking at this, the supreme court back in 1970 said it is okay, you can do this, you can have six people. you get fewer minorities on six-person juries. that is the case here, seems to be only one person who could be defined as a minority. they reach verdicts faster, fewer people to argue, but also fewer coalitions to be formed because of the fewer people and hold out for a jury. fewer hung juries, as a result. and of course, it is cheaper for the state to do it which is why some states have gone with it. but not a lot. i think other states use this in civil cases. >> you say they are likely to get a verdict -- >> i'll tell you one other thing why we have 12 in other cases, a welsh king in the early 1500s said the apostles are going to judge people with 12, why not a jury? talk about how strange beginnings. >> that is pretty owe i-- i'm n going to say what i think, no matter what you think, the biblical history, all women, both sides obviously allowed this. they both said this could go ahead. how will this impact what is going on during deliberations? i single simply say this, they all took notes. and women will do that, we're very organized. we like to take notes, so far, true to form. >> well, there is also a group dynamic that occurred once the jury starts deliberation. it is amazing how often you can talk to the alternates during a trial, and all the different jurors come back with a different verdict. and that is because you get into a group dynamic, listen to the closing arguments and who did the best for the witnesses. and all this comes in, and then once this goes together and it all goes into a soup, it is amazing how the dynamics come together and they often talk about considerations that the lawyers miss completely. so we do have six women here, everybody has said, i was in the courtroom, these women, these jurors, they were amazing. they were up, alert, took notes. and i think that they're just wanting to make sure everything lines up. they're going to go back and see if all the versions with their perception, that they have a common understanding and they will debate it from there. >> it's a good thing, both sides the country have taken, sunny, we know these people care deeply about their responsibility. now, sunny, you were in the courtroom. didn't jurors, i asked this question of martin, but you were watching them closely. did they react differently with the attorneys, i know one day you were talking about the forensic pathologist. and you said a lot of jurors seemed very receptive to that. but what were the moments you noticed a juror being very receptive and positive to one side or the other? >> you know, i will tell you today i saw something that i don't think i have seen. i was in the courtroom for all the closing arguments, for the state's closing arguments, the defense, and then the rebuttal closing arguments. i think these jurors were so captivated by john guy's delivery, and i have been wondering to myself, why would the state pick six women? why would they be okay with that? because conventional wisdom says it may be more of a defense-oriented jury. well, the state argued to the jury today. and i think the most powerful moment during the rebuttal argument, john guy got up, who, by the way, was nicknamed mcdreamy, all the women love him. he said to the women, isn't it every child's nightmare for a m man, a stranger to follow them home on a rainy night in the dark? every single woman stared at him when he said that, erin, they stopped taking notes. they were captivated. and i thought to myself, that is why these women are on this jury. they are meticulous, they are engaged. but today was a high point for this prosecution. no question, it all really gelled for me. >> all right, well, thanks to all three of you. up next on the zimmerman trial, who made the best statement? 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who did he kill? a teenager? >> judge, who won that? >> i think guy did, just because of the energy and emotion. >> the prosecution won? >> i did, because of the emot n emotion. >> because of the emotion. >> and the issue, did he have to kill him? and i think that to the mothers, all women, i think that round, he won. >> what do you say? >> sounds like he can't hear me, so we'll check on that audio here as we get to the next one, judge hatchett. >> so i won that one. >> all right, mark o'mara made a point of showing photos. were these really accurate ph o photos of how old he was? was the press misleading when when they showed younger pictures of trayvon martin? the defense honed in on that. we don't have that, do we have the third one? >> but i do know that. >> we have it now, let's just play it, sorry. >> this is the person -- and this is the person who george zimmerman encountered that night, who attacked george zimmerman, broke his nose or something close to it. isn't that every child's worst nightmare? to be followed on the way home in the dark by a stranger? isn't that every child's worst fear? that was trayvon martin's last emotion. >> what do you say? >> i tell you, that was my favorite card of the rebuttal in this colorsing, because that really is the question, is that your greatest fear as a parent? that your child would be in fear of walking alone in the dark and being followed by a stranger. >> well, you talked about the difficulty for you, looking at this. you're a judge, the mother of two boys, two black boys who you say were profiled. so this hits the emotion for you. >> it really does, do i understand that there is a burden of proof? do i think they met the burden on second degree? no, i don't. but my heart bleeds for this family, and i really struggle because i know it could have been either of my two sons, if not both. >> when you say -- you don't think that they have met the burden of proof for second degree. >> i don't. >> do you think they have met the burden of proof for manslaughter, or not guilty? >> i think it is possible that a manslaughter conviction could come back. i just think it depends on whether they believe he really was in fear, although self defense can be a defense to both of these charges. i think that there is going to be a real question of what happened, what motivated him, and did this need to happen. and i think a manslaughter charge could come back. >> well, let's talk about this on reasonable doubt and self defense, because when you talk about manslaughter or not guilty, it is going to come down to that point. and here again are john guy and mark o'mara. >> you look at these facts, you look at all of this evidence. and you have to say i have a reasonable doubt as to whether or not the state convinced me, is it actually self defense? >> there is only two people on this earth who know what really happened. and one of them can't testify. and the other one lied. >> this is the crucial question, reasonable doubt and self defense, cheney, i know we have you with us now. who do you think won that crucial round? 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