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Erin burnetts outfront starts now. 28 days away, what does it take for a deal . And the use of chemical weapons will bring an Immediate Reaction from the community. Our panel, well ask them if the United States will go to war. And a new movie about Osama Bin Laden sparks oscar buzz and outrate. Lets go outfront. Good evening, everyone, im erin burnett. Outfront tonight, let there be light. Finally, some bulbs turned on in washington this evening. Well, on the congressional christmas tree, that is. Pretty beautiful. Lights, love, camaraderie, song. But while our lawmakers took some time to celebrate together, they still werent showing any spark when it came to negotiating a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff, which is the Christmas Present the country needs. Today we heard president obamas response to the proposal that House Speaker john boehner put on the table yesterday. The speakers proposal right now is still out of balance. Of out of balance. Kind of similar to what republicans said last week when the president sent over his terms. So now what . Will they sit down and talk it through . Well, not according to at least one senior republican aide who told cnn today, no conversations today, no emails, tweets, carrier pigeons. As for boehner and obama, they actually did see each other in person at the White House Holiday Party last night in black tie. While other lawmakers waited in line to get the photo with the president , multiple sources from both sides of the aisle tell cnn that boehner wasnt among them. So much for holiday cheer. We have this picture. Were waiting for the day theres a fiscal cliff. There wasnt total silence in washington today. Senate majority leader harry reid spoke up. But in his case, in the form of a swipe. I sympathize with john boehner. The key party has a firm grip on the Republican Party, and thats obvious, whats happened this morning here in washington. Reporter that disconnect in the gop was in the spotlight today. Jim demint spoke out against boehners proposal to the president. Republicans should not be conceding that the federal government needs more money, negotiating with ourselves, and treating the president s proposal like its serious. Very critical of john boehner. And demints press release aimed squarely at john boehner. This was a real punch in the face. 800 billion tax hike will destroy jobs, allow washington to spend more. As you all know, john boehner put an 800 billion tax hike as a center of his proposal. So john boehner got rejected from the white house, which wants another 800 billion on top of that in tax hikes and then rejected by the right wing of his own party which wants absolutely no tax hikes at all. So unlike harry reid, i actually feel genuine sympathy for john boehner. So kudos, speaker, for showing deserters or dissenters who is boss. Boehner stripped house members who opposed Key Committee assignments today. And earlier i spoke with one republican leader in the house who himself has been out of step with boehner in recent days. Deputy whip congressman tom cole of oklahoma. He said the gop should agree to obamas proposal to extend bush tax rates for households that make less than 250,000. And they should do that deal right now, deal with the rest later. Boehner said no way. And then tom cole said boehner should not offer a counterproposal to the fiscal cliff deal the president presented. Boehner offered a proposal yesterday. I asked cole if hes frustrated with john boehner. No, not in the least. Look, i support the speaker. And were actually not very far apart on anything. And, you know, at the end of the day, hes going to negotiate a deal. It will probably be a challenging vote for a lot of people. I always support him. I would expect i will again and try and persuade others. Just to be clear, im not for raising taxes on anybody. I think its a mistake. I think all republicans believe that. However, you have to recognize the reality that at the end of the month, tax rates for every american that pays income tax are going to go up. So there is an area that we do agree with the president on. That is 98 of the American People, getting about 80 of this tax cut shouldnt have their taxes raised. So my suggestion it was delivered, by the way, in private and leaked and put in public. But thats fine. I mean, its certainly what i said. My suggestion was lets take the one area that we agree and take it off the table. And but just to be clear, though, you actually think because this is when i saw your comment what i was so curious about, just from a negotiating standpoint. We had the Super Committee that failed, now we have the fiscal cliff, right . And if those sorts of deadlines arent enough to get a deal, if you actually were were going to break with your own party or say go ahead, well extend them for the middle class, do you actually think that you would be able to negotiate a deal where they didnt go up on the top 2 at the beginning of the year . You might be able to negotiate that deal. Again, i think a lot of people misunderstand, you know, whats happening with the 98 . Number one, i dont think you ever ought to use the American People as, quote, leverage in a debate. Thats a mistake. You dont treat people that way. Second, much more importantly, its not our leverage. Its the democrats leverage. Theyre the ones going around, hollering, oh my goodness, taxes are going to go up on everybody unless we do something. Lets just take that leverage away from them. Our real leverage are the spending cuts which democrats dont want to make, and ultimately further on down the debt ceiling. So let me ask you though, today nancy pelosi filed a petition to try to force a house vote later this month on extending the bush tax cuts for families that make under 250,000 a year. As you just said, you stand by your support of that position. But youve said you wouldnt support the petition by nancy pelosi. Well, id like to ask leader pelosi how many discharged petitions she supported when she was speaker. I mean, the reality thats a little game. Its not going to be helpful. Its not going to get anything done. And no, i would never sign a discharge petition against my own speaker or my own conference. The way you do things is to negotiate. And frankly, the negotiation is going to largely involve the president of the United States and the speaker of the house of representatives. With all due respect to the other players, theyre honestly less central to this. And if they can come to a deal, then i think we can avoid the fiscal cliff. And do you think that somebody put this idea out here. And this idea is really vile. Ill use the right word. I think youll agree. Heres the idea. Lets go off the cliff, just for purely political reasons, nothing happens immediately, and then, you know, you all come back in session in early january, and you give the middle class a tax cut, and you give the wealthy a tax cut, theyll pay more than theyre paying now but less than 39. 6. is that possibly what both sides are angling to . You use the word vile and ill echo that word. I think going over the cliff is a disaster. I think responsible leaders negotiate the best deal they possibly can. And lets try and get this done. I would not be for playing a game of chicken, if you will, or trying to fool the American People who are pretty dadgum smart when it comes to these sorts of things. Do you fear the right wing of your own party, a wing that says any revenue, as you heard jim demint say, no revenue, not part of the deal. Do you think thats going to be what hurts your party and makes you all fail on this . These are my friends and i agree with on the issues. But look, rates are going up if we dont act. Some people act as if we can just hold tight and nothing will happen. The opposite is true. We have to act to prevent a massive tax hike. But with all due respect to those people that say were putting revenue on the table, the American People did that when they elected, you know, the president and a Democratic Senate again. Again, they have to agree to a deal or tax rates on everybody go up. I think we should do everything we can to avoid that for as many people as we possibly can. So far, four house gop members, as we said, john boehner has booted them from Key Committees for going against leadership. Youre obviously the deputy whip. You are part of leadership. You have challenged john boehner. I mean, what you put out there, it may sound may sound very normal and calm and compromisefilled to many. But perhaps to him, its a little bit of a slap in the face. Have you talked to him about it directly . Yeah, of course. I mean, look, i deal with the speaker on a regular basis. And he knows, look, im never going to undercut him and he knows when the tough votes come, and theyre going to come, that ill be there to try and support him and help him. So hes not going to scold me because i offered in private, you know, my advice that was solicited and then when it was leaked actually defended in public. I dont think he would expect me to do anything else. Well, its good. Its good you stand by what you said. And i know we have to applaud when anyone chooses to do that in washington, sir. Thank you so much. Appreciate your time, congressman cole. Thank you, erin. A man who stood by what he said, even though it flew in the face of what others like Grover Norquist are most afraid. Grover norquist, a lot of influence on tom cole, the man behind the anti tax pledge, outfront. 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If there was any sense at all that assad was going to use chemical weapons or did use chemical weapons against his people, i would expect a tough response that would be military. The question tonight is what role will the United States play in such a quote, unquote, military response . Outfront tonight, peter brooks, former Deputy Assistant secretary of defense under the bush administration, and colonel cedrick leighton, former member of the joint staff. Good to see both of you. Colonel leighton, let me start with you. If the United States were to get involved at this point, what would a serious u. S. Military intervention in syria look like . It would probably, erin, start out with a no fly zone type operation, similar to what we had during operation southern watch, which and northern watch, which basically governed the skies over those parts of iraq after the first gulf war. That would be the first step. However, in order to secure things like chemical weapons, you would definitely have to look at using Ground Troops. It may not be u. S. Ground troops, but the possibilities certainly exist that they might be used. Of Ground Troops which i think is the key words for all viewers out there. Ground troops is a very different sort of concept than what many people thought about what would happen in syria. And peter, i guess it comes down to this, about whether Bashar Al Assad would use chemical weapons. The rebels seem to be gaining ground. The chemical weapons are horrific. Would Bashar Al Assad use them . Its an important question. Im wondering, erin, whether this was a regime decision. You know, this activity surrounding chemical weapons, or they saw a local commander, perhaps, doing some things. And the International Community wanted to send a message to everybody, including the assad regime, saying that one of your local commanders may be getting out of line here and may use these weapons. You better crack down on it. So its not quite clear. The government knows more than we do but outside, its not quite clear exactly what they were trying to get at here. Obviously, stop the use of chemical weapons, but who was going to use them . What their intent was, we still dont know that outside. Right. And certainly i would imagine how secure they are considering that rebels have links to al qaeda or extremist groups. Theres lots of risks. And sources are saying that his mood may be at this point, look, im going to end up being killed anyway. If i try to leave, im going to be killed by my own people and they sort of paint the picture of a very desperate man with nothing to lose. Does that scare you when you start to think about chemical weapons . Absolutely. Chemical weapons are the worst kind of weapons. You look at lethality rates of almost 100 with the nerve agents like sarin and vx, which are the type of nerve agents that the syrians actually have. And when you look at somebody who is cornered, theyre going to act just like a rat would act, and they would go after the people that are attacking them. And they will do whatever they can to either take many people with them or lash out at the forces that they perceive to be occupying their country. So its a very dangerous situation, erin. Peter, im curious, when you talk about the depth of syrias chemical weapons program, they do have some of the most advanced Chemical Warfare capabilities. Mustard gas, sarin, possibly the vx nerve agent. Im curious as to how confident we are in what they have. I mean, a lot of people may think about this and harken back to iraq and weapons of mass destruction. Do we really know what syria has . Well, if you look at syria, most people consider it to be a chemical weapon super power. It has the largest chemical weapons arsenal in the middle east, maybe in the world. I think the level of certainty is pretty high regarding this. This and i think theres obviously the signals that are coming out, the Intelligence Community must feel they really do have them. Now, once again, erin, you know, intelligence you know, were not omniscient. We work in an imperfect world, we work with imperfect knowledge, but i think the level of certainty is high. And if theyre used, youre certainly going to know. Colonel leighton, the civil war has gone on for 21 months, 40,000 people estimated to be killed. Tony blair used that number today. The United States, it appeared, it learned a lesson from iraq, afghanistan and libya saying were going to sit this one out. Its another countrys civil war. Were going to sit it out. Do you think intervention would have saved tens of thousands of lives or not . I believe it would have, erin. And intervention is always a very tough call to make in these situations and syria is an ethnographic and demographic situation is a very, very complex one. So we would have gotten into a very difficult situation. But a type of intervention using perhaps local troops from the region might have been something that could have worked early on. But 40,000 people is 40,000 people too many. And that is a real, real problem, not only for the people that are affected directly by it, but also for the entire middle east. Peter, final question to you. Do you think Bashar Al Assad will live through this . Thats interesting. If you look at Saddam Hussein or moammar gadhafi, i think he can get out of the country. I think what they really need to worry about is romania at the end of the cold war, going before the International Criminal court, being like the fellows from former yugoslavia. I think thats what really worries them. But i think he definitely can get out of the country, even if he used chemical questions. Its really an open question. Im not sure hes going to stay to the bitter end. Well see, of course, whether the criminal court is in his future or what might happen to him. Our third story outfront, the baby craze. I appreciate you taking the time. Explain this to me, if you would. What is this law change . Essentially all it means is that it no longer makes a difference if youre a male or a female and youre in the line of succession to the thrown. Both male and female will be treated equally as of october 2011. So its retroactive. So if they cant get it fully passed, its still okay. How far are we from actually seeing this law go through . Is there any doubt . It was first announced in october of 2011. It went into effect immediately. Its going to be put into legislation. It will be a little while before we see it in writing but it was made effective as of october 2011. 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Our commitment has never been stronger. Welcome back to the second half of outfront. We start with stories we care about, where we focus on our reporting from the front lines, and we begin tonight in iran. The navy there claims it has captured a u. S. Drone, saying the drone entered iranian air sen space over the persian gulf. But a u. S. Defense official tells cnn that whatever device iran has, it is not an actively operating navy drone. Officials say the navy has fully accounted for all of its unmanned vehicles. There are reports the drone was carrying out spy operations. Internet security tycoon john mcafee says hes in guatemala but Police Believe hes in belize. Hes wanted for questioning in the shooting death of his neighbor in belize. He says the government is trying to pin the murder on him. Mcafee hired a new lawyer. He says he chose guatemala, ill quote him, the closest place to protect his life from persecution. And george h. W. Bush is still in the hospital tonight for treatment of a lingering cough and bronchitis. He was supposed to be released over the weekend, but a spokesman from Methodist Hospital in houston tells outfront that doctors are being extra cautious with his care, and are in hurry to send him home. Also told us the former president had a good day yesterday and that his condition is improving. And this just in a moment ago. Mali government officials have agreed to end hostilities. This is according to a reuters report. The meeting between the officials and ansar deen and the mnla. Those are the tuareg rebels. As part of dialogue going forward, the parties agreed to reject any forms of terrorism and extremism and respect human rights. Well see if that actually moves forward. It has been 488 days since the u. S. Lost its top credit rating. What are we doing to get it back . Were drilling for more oil at home. That could mean more jobs. Today the Energy Information administration said American Crude Oil production averaged 6. 5 Million Barrels a day in september. That is the best, people, in 15 years. And now our fifth story now our fourth story outfront. The fiscal cliff. Dissension within the ranks. It seems not all republican lawmakers and conservative groups are in lockstep with john boehner. Earlier i spoke with one gop house member who hasnt been on the same wave length as the speaker recently. Hes in senior leadership. Heres what deputy whip congressman tom cole told me about those who in the party say taxes shouldnt be on the table. For those who say were putting revenue on the table, the American People did that when they elected, you know, the president and a Democratic Senate again. Again, they have to agree to a deal or tax rates on everybody go up. I think we shouldnt we should do everything we can to avoid that for as many people as we possibly can. Outfront tonight, Grover Norquist, whose anti tax pledge signed by most sitting republican lawmakers on capitol hill has been a major point of contention in this debate. Grover, let me start by asking you something congressman tom cole said. He said its the American People who spoke. This was central to the president s plan, right . Raise taxes on the wealthy. I know that you dont like it, you ardently dont agree with it. But didnt the American People speak . Well, on the very day that they elected obama by a few percentage points, the exit polls also asked, would you like to raise taxes to reduce the deficit, 63 said no. 86 of the ads run for obama were personal attacks on romney. He won a stunning mandate to not be romney. He did not run on the basis he was going to do massive new spending and the kind of tax increases, 1. 6 trillion that hes now talking about. And at the same time that obama was elected president , the Republican House, which had twice voted for a real budget remember, the president s budget he claims he has a mandate for was put up before the house and the democrats all voted against it. In the senate, the democrats didnt want to have anything to do with it. Its a little hard to argue, he had a mandate for something the rest of his party ran away from. Well did not run ads on those issues. And, of course, it was a bit more complicated than that. But to your point about the exit polls, its true, most people said that they didnt want tax increases to solve the deficit. What they said the majority, was they wanted both balanced. They wanted cuts and tax increases. Which is what both john boehner and the president in very stridently different ways have put forward. Well, one of the challenges you have is if you ask the question, would you be willing to tax the rich, some people say yes. Second question, if they tax the rich in a deal, do you think theyll also hit the middle class. Yes. If they raise taxes, do you think theyll just spend it as opposed to reduce the deficit . The majority say yes. So theres a real question here about when you say would you like to raise taxes to reduce the deficit, people understand, as happened in 82 and 90, the democrats promised to use tax increases to reduce the deficit, but they just spend the money. Well, i mean, you could talk about what the money is going to be used for. I mean, we have a we have a big problem in terms of the deficits were running. But let me just ask you this crucial question about where were going to go from here, grover. Because i know you have this kind of soulsearching moment in front of you. Where you can keep going ahead and saying no revenue, right . Has to be revenueneutral. And you might lose. Or you can start to bend a little bit. Are you going to have to start to bend . Well, im in favor of more revenue. If you talk about the tax reform that Speaker Boehner has talked about in the letter that he and all the Republican Leadership sent to obama asking him to get serious about spending restraint, which he hasnt done yet but can i just clarify reduce rates and broaden the base. It didnt say for sure lets reduce rates. Yes, it did. It opened the door to reducing rates john boehner has put on the table before he would be willing to raise revenue without cutting rates. No, in the context of tax reform, i think the letter is very clear. In the context of tax reform, which reduces rates, broadens the base, and gives you economic growth. Okay, but youre not going to get that. Can we just be honest . You know thats not going to happen right now. I mean, its not. Okay. This is exactly what we were told two years ago, when we had the discussion on increasing the debt ceiling. The democrats said you cant do it just with spending restraint. What happened . We did it just with spending restraint. The democrats and some in the press called that a failed negotiation. They didnt finish the sentence. We failed to raise taxes to let the government spend more money. But we still were running trilliondollar deficits. Yes, the government is spending too much money, and unfortunately, obama has committed to spending more money. He has a trillion theres 1 trillion of tax increases baked into the cake because of obamas 20 taxes in obamacare. 90 of those tax increases that obama put into obamacare were conveniently put in to take effect after he got reelected to the presidency. So there a massive tidal wave of obama tax increases coming at the American People, starting in january. Has nothing to do with the fiscal cliff. But it has everything to do with obamacare. Now, it is true that a lot of those taxes did take place after the election. Thats something we pointed out and is a fair point. But let me just ask you about the compromise we have to go to. Because like i said, again, to get this done, taxes are i mean, theyre going to go up on somebody. I just believe that this is what is going to happen. I think tom cole thinks its going to happen. I think tom coburn thinks its going to happen. I wanted to play a bite from him and get your reaction. Here he is. Sure. Im okay to compromise even on some of my issues, if, in fact, well solve the problem. But what we have is a game being played for political for the extreme right wing and the extreme left win rather than coming together and leading and solving the problem. So Grover Norquist. If you had to accept the tax rates would go up, all right, just theyre going to go up and theyre going to go up on somebody. What would you really want in return . Not revenueneutral. Real tax increases. What do you want in return . Well, i am in favor of revenue increases look, if you grow at 4 a year instead of 2 a year, reagan levels instead of obama levels or french levels, you get 5 trillion in additional revenue over a decade. We could pay down all of the overspending of obamas first term by having 4 growth instead of 2 growth. And we know how to do it, because we did it under reagan. But why would you cut spending then, spending thats supposed to encourage the economy to get better so you get more growth and get rid of your deficits . I think well, i think we should, one first of all, we have to pay down the debt he ran up. Were spending 1 trillion more each year, the federal government we, the federal government is spending 1 trillion more each year than when obama walked into office. Its that overspending we need to bring down. Raising taxes doesnt solve the overspending problem. It feeds it. And, again, we have been through this lucy and the football thing in 82, in 90. We didnt take the advice of the tax increase last year, and we got spending restraint for the debt ceiling. Remember, the Republican House has a tremendous power over the debt ceiling. So all this stuff about how we have to bend to the emperors will isnt true. All right. Grover norquist, thanks very much. We appreciate your taking the time tonight. Lets bring in James Carville and reihan salam. Good to see you. Grover norquist is not bending. Not yet. Well, president obama, or as mr. Norquist refers to him, obama president obama has done something mr. Norquist has never done in his life and thats get people to vote for him. So i would also remind mr. Norquist who conveniently forgets that president clinton raised taxes on the wealthy and created 22 million jobs. President bush cut taxes on the wealthy and created 1 million jobs. So his economic expertise is a little behind here. But the truth of the matter is, everybody voted in this election, the president said he would raise taxes on people earning over 250,000. Thats what hes going to do. Thats whats going to happen. He has the authority of an election behind him. Running for office is a difficult thing to do, and the people that win the elections have a lot more moral authority in a democracy than people who talk about elections. Ryan, that does seem to be the point. People like Grover Norquist may not like it and republicans may not like it, but that wasnt what this election said American People want. The majority of them. I think its certainly true you have a large number of americans, 60 , according to a Washington Post abc news poll who favor raising taxes on folks earning more than 250,000 a year. But there are a couple other things to keep in mind, as well. President obama often talks about returning to clinton era tax rates. He wants to raise much more revenue from high earners than the clinton era tax code would have raised. Another thing to keep in mind is that president clinton also dramatically lowered Capital Gains taxes, and that generally benefited highearners. So a lot of folks believe thats something that balanced out against the increases on ordinary income. So, you know, thats something that arguably contributed to that surge in Technology Stocks and much else that created surpluses in the latter half of the clinton presidency. Its a more complicated picture. Definitely there are folks who want tax increases but lets not gloss over president obama is talking about way higher taxes than we saw during the clinton era on the high earners. Thats true. When you talk about Capital Gains. All right. Want to talk about a party going on tonight. James, pretty good. There is a party going on, Jack Kemp Foundation is having a party and marco rubio is speaking. Paul ryan is speaking. They both want to have complete makeovers. You know marco rubio doesnt want to be the hispanic guy who talks about immigration. And paul ryan doesnt want to be the grinch that stole medicare. Paul ryan is standing there right now. What do you think . Are these guys going to succeed . Are they the future . If i was paul ryan, i would want to be something else. If i was selected Vice President and i got slaughtered in my and my candidate got slaughtered in my home state, i would be looking to have a makeover also. I dont blame him. I think that senator rubio could run on anything he wants. I agree. If he wants to run on economic expertise, perceived economic expertise, its a good thing for him to do it. He should do that. Its apparently what he believed before. If paul ryan wants to believe that the best thing to make a child study is a toothache, thats what he believed before. If he wants to change his mind, thats his business too. I dont fault any of these guys. And 2016, the political commentators, the more politics, the better it is. Looks like were starting tonight, james ryan. Yeah, all for it. Hes great. This is actually a really interesting development, in my view. I think if youre looking at paul ryan, one thing you hear from folks in the ryan camp, is that he was very eager to talk about poverty and a new war on poverty during the romney campaign. But he didnt have much of an opportunity because the romney folks were so riskaverse. And thats something hes going to talk about tonight. Whereas marco rubio is someone who comes from a scrappy, lower middle class background who wants to talk about upward mobility for all americans. Thats a theme hes going to build out over the next two years and its a theme exactly what republicans need to talk about. The problem is, these guys are the music, its not clear they have the lyrics. Its not clear they have the policy substance yet thats really going to make this message resonate. They are young and they have a lot of really solid ideas. And they have the right broad message. But the question is, are they going to have the right policies, as well. James, do you think these are the two these two are the future right now . I know its early and its hard to tell. But i mean, a lot of the republican parties really invested in these two young men. Well, you know, from 1948 through now actually, 1944 through now, its always been the senior person. The obvious person that got the nomination. They dont have one this time in the Republican Party so its going to be interesting to see it air out here. But theres a lot more people. My own governor, governor jindal, has been very vocal. He seems to be itching to pull the trigger in 2016, too. There are a lot of other people. Clearly, the people who are going to watch i just dont think that ryan had a particularly good campaign. He didnt do anything for his ticket in wisconsin, he didnt do very much across the board. He didnt show a lot. But maybe he was constrained by the romney people. Ill buy that. And let him go out and make his case. Thanks very much to both of you. Its interesting. Well, thank you. Because minorities rising in the Republican Party, a party that cant seem to get its act together when it comes to minorities. This is going to be a fun game to watch. Outfront next, a new hollywood film about the hunt for Osama Bin Laden hasnt opened yet but is attracting serious controversy because we have new details on how much controversial information the film makers had access to about what happened on that raid. And president obama has prepared to make some big changes to his administration and one report says he could turn to the editor of vogue for one of the top posts in the country. [ male announcer ] this december, remember you can stay in and share something. Or you can get out there with your friends and actually share something. 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Zero dark 30 the story of the hunt for Osama Bin Laden from the oscar winning Powerhouse Team of Katherine Bigelow and mark bowe recreates how it all happened, from the female cia analyst who finally figured out where he was hiding to the navy s. E. A. L. S who killed him. There are two narratives about the location of Osama Bin Laden. Reporter the controversy . The Obama Administration has faced accusations it gave undeserved access to the film makers. In real life, everyone involved in the hunt for bin laden remains sworn to secrecy. But the film makers say they got firsthand accounts. They just wont say exactly how that happened. I think as a reporter you would understand we take protecting our sources and sort of the exact methodology of our sourcing pretty seriously, just in the same way if i asked you how exactly did you source that story. Reporter katherine, when you hear mark talk this way, are you a journalist or a film maker . Thats a good question. Well, i certainly try to be as faithful to the research as possible and make a good movie and make a film that was timely. Reporter but how much access they got is the issue. Obviously things went wrong here. Reporter congressman peter king, chairman of the House Homeland Security committee, first called for an investigation at both the cia and the pentagon. There was an event where operatives were involved and they did not know until they got there that the hollywood people were going to be present. So which means their identity would have been shown. Reporter king questions whether the military was pressured to cooperate on the film. What access they were told to give, some resisted, some acquiesced. Reporter but a senior military official denies they were pressured. Cia and pentagon Officials Say no secrets were given away. My understanding is the hollywood people got access to cia operatives, cia locations, that they had access to navy s. E. A. L. S which they should not have had. And i cant really go beyond that other than to say that now, this investigation has gone on and its been expanded. Reporter bowe says he and bigelow were very aware of National Security concerns. Were acutely aware that there are sensitivities around this material, and i think we approached this with a lot of respect for those sensitivities. Pretty i really want to see this movie. It does raise a legitimate concern about how much cooperation there is between the cia, between hollywood, between the military. It does. Theres a longstanding relationship with hollywood and the cia and the u. S. Military but you know, since 9 11, this has been a very sexy thing, the navy s. E. A. L. S, the commandoes, cia agents. Everybody likes to watch this kind of movie and the real question here, is did it get out of hand, did the government just let them have too much access. And get too wrapped up. What about the members of s. E. A. L. Team six . Obviously you have one member who came out he wrote a book. Now we know who he is. He wrote a book in violation, supposedly. These guys are sworn to secrecy and their own commanders have been cracking down saying to all of them keep your mouth shut. You sign an oath of secrecy, you must obey it. And they have concerns that its just, again, too much information. This was supposed to be one of the most secret operations in the history of the United States. We all seem to know an awful lot about it. We do. So what is going to be the outcome here . Because it seems that because the operation was so significant, you dont want to set a precedent that something inappropriate might have happened and people might have gotten away with leaking. Right. According to congressman king, his feeling is the movie makers, its a free country, you can make whatever movie you want. He has no problem with that. 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Hes already appointed other big backers to top posts. In 2009, telecom executive donald gibbs got south africa. Investment banker louis sussman, the united kingdom. And the Pittsburgh Steelers chairman dan rooney got ireland. Its not just this president. Over the years, the number of people who donated their time and money to democratic and republican candidates have been tapped for high profile posts after the election. It happens all the time. But should this be the way it is . There are so many career diplomats who do work overseas, wonderful work, and maybe its time for us to decide what we think an ambassador really should be. Is it a position designed to represent american interests around the world by a skilled diplomat . Or is it just a great way to say thank you to our friends . Thanks for joining us. Tomorrow on outfront amy copeland. We are so excited for this. You will recall the College Student who struggled with a flesheating bacteria. 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