asking why, one day after six people were shot dead and three others wounded at a popular sikh temple. but tonight we are learning much more about the alleged gunman and the victims. police have identified the suspect as 40-year-old army veteran wade michael page who had connections to white supremacist groups. and here are now some pictures that we've just gotten in to cnn. these are from page's old myspace page. this shows him in front of a flag with a swastika. the images from february of last year. the death toll from yesterday's shooting now stands at seven including the suspected shooter. three people are in the hospital tonight after a chaotic scene captured in this call to 911. >> i thought i heard shots. can you tompl that? man with a gun in the parking lot. man with a gun. ambulance up! subject is down. i need an ambulance. we have one officer shot. subject with a gun, white t-shirt, balding. officer down. >> that officer is lieutenant brian murphy who was ambushed while trying to help one of the first shooting victims. the chief praised murphy who's in critical condition tonight for his heroic response. >> he was shot between eight and nine times. during the shooting, a lot of extremity shot, a shot in the neck and the cheek area. none of those appear to be at this point life-threatening. they have him resting comfortably and we hope for him to make a full recovery. >> oak creek now joins the community of aurora, colorado, still healing after 12 people were murdered in a movie theater shooting just last month. senseless gun violence continues to pervade this country. more than 11,000 people die each year by firearm and there is no shortage of headlines. jared loughner is set to appear in court tomorrow for a shooting in 2011. major nidal hassan awaiting trial [ for the ft. hood shooting. wade michael page now joins that group. ted rowlands have been getting a better understanding of who page is. >> reporter: according to investigators and witness accounts, 40-year-old wade page first opened fire in the temple parking lot where he killed two of his victims before going inside where he killed four more. >> he went into the holy room and opened fire on some individuals there, injuring multiple, mainly turbanned individuals. >> reporter: oak creek police lieutenant brian murphy was the first officer to arrive at the scene, encountering page in the parking lot. >> man with a gun. >> it is at that point that he was met by the suspect who basically ambushed him. >> reporter: lieutenant murphy was shot eight or nine times, but survived. page was shot and killed a few moments later by another officer. while investigators say it's too early to know an exactly motive, we're learning more about wade page. police are investigating his apparent ties to white supremacists and the southern law of poverty center tells cnn it's been tracking page for years because he was part of a band in north carolina called end apathy, which worked for the music distributor, label 56, whose roster included a number of white supremacist bands. two years ago, page was interviewed by a website about how he started the band, saying in part, it requires discipline, strict discipline to stay the course in our sick society. label 56 issued a statement saying in part, please do not take what wade did as honorable or respectable and please do not think we are all like that. federal agents went to the north carolina home of one of page's band mates where page apparently lived for several months last year. according to cnn affiliate wncn, the home was adorned with confederate flags. >> we are looking at ties to white supremacist groups, of course. >> reporter: agents took several boxes of potential evidence from the wisconsin home where page was living for four months leading up to the shooting. his landlord says page had a clean background check, lived alone and kept to himself. neighbors at page's old apartment said he not only kept to himself but seemed to go out of his way to avoid people. >> like a recluse almost. he didn't talk to us at all. i'd say hi and he'd just go, oh. >> reporter: neighbors say page showed up about a year moving in with his girlfriend who had been renting her apartment in south milwaukee for several years. >> she was nice and then when he moved in, she just changed. you could tell he was running the show. she wasn't as friendly anymore. she wasn't -- it was kind of like she wasn't allowed to talk to anybody anymore. >> ted rowlands is "outfront" tonight. i know the fbi has also spoken to his ex-girlfriend. what have you found out about that? >> according to a source familiar with the investigation, the fbi has reached out to the girlfriend. and she's been very cooperative. but she has no idea how this could have happened. she says there was nothing in his behavior that would have led her to believe that this could have happened. >> out of the blue, sort of? sort of character -- >> this is an ex-girlfriend, a recent ex-girlfriend. how that tied into what he did, we don't know. but from what we learned from the fbi, she had no clue as to how this could happen. >> has there been a response from his family, his immediate family? >> there has been. i can read some of it to you. they released a statement to the milwaukee journal sentinel saying in part, while there can be no words of comfort that will make sense of what happened that day, please be aware that our thoughts and prayers go out to all the victims and their families. we share in their grief for all who lost their lives that day and for those survivors we hope for a speedy recovery. they also said they are cooperating with the investigation. >> ted, thank you very much. don't understand how this could have happened. thank you for your reporting. president obama has weighed in on the shooting from the oval office saying that regardless of what motivated the murder at the sikh temple, americans need to stop the senseless violence. >> i think it would be very important for us to reaffirm once again that in this country, regardless of what we look like, where we come from, who we worship, we are all one people. and we look after one another and we respect one another. >> harbins was in the temple at the time of the shooting. thank you for coming and talking so soon after this. what did you see? >> at the time of the incident, i was in the dining hall. i saw somebody came and entered into the dining hall to the kitchen ide. he had a gun in his hand and his gun was aimed at the guys in the kitchen. i was behind him. i could not see his face but i could see that he was a tall guy and i could see that he was a white guy. i was with some kids and some ladies and one old man. i shouted, go, go to the basement, go to the basement -- in my language, so that he would not understand. i rushed everybody to the basement. my wife has a leg problem -- >> she broke her leg this weekend? >> yes. she cannot walk easily. i gave her support to go down. then i called 911. my call did not go through due to a problem. again, i gave a call, that did not work. the operator told me that a police car had reached there. >> but it took you three calls to get through to 911? >> yeah. on the third call, she told me that police car was over there or somebody might have called for me. th it took me five, six minutes, then i went out to see what was happening, that my countrymen -- that my community people -- >> yes. >> when i came upstairupstairs, many police cars flashing lights on the top. i knew many were injured. i came out through the prayer hall. i ran outside. and then i saw another guy lying on the floor. he was not even dead yet at that time. i went out so that i may ask -- they say, hands up. i put my hands up. and they told me, i am thankful this did not scare me. they told me, we are here for your protection, we are taking you to a safe place, don't worry. then they took me to -- >> right there. >> and put me behind that car. and they told me, here, you are safe. keep on sitting here. >> you did see, though, the shooter killed? you saw him die? >> i saw his back. from his back, i could see that he was a quite heavy-built man. very well-built. not skinny, like me. he was more than me. and when they brought me to the police car, i saw there was laying a white guy, handcuffed, bleeding from his head and his mouth. after 20, 30 minutes, there was one lady with me. she was feeling ver bad, very bad. i asked the police officer, she's not feeling well, if you please, open your car. he opened the door and i put -- when i was helping the rlady to sit in the car, i saw just like the dumpster, two bodies like that -- >> about 20 feet away from you. >> yes. two bodies were lying over there. i could not see their face because they were covered. >> tell me about the children. i know this is hard. but you saw the children. >> yeah. >> of parkash. and he died. >> they were not just crying, they were bitterly crying. i am still scared of their cries. i can't describe how they were crying because they saw their father shot here. and they may be scared very well. and after the lady -- 911 operator, she told me that he was dead, i tried to console the kids, their mamma and another lady with kids. i don't know what happened to her. when i got them to stop crying, i went to see what happened to my people over there. >> yes. >> and when i came out from the prayer hall door, i could see police cars were flashing -- many police cars were there. when i was going out, i saw a lady collapsed on the floor. she was not dead at that time. >> right. >> i rushed to the police and i saw another old man lying on the floor. he was also not yet dead. i then met the police and said, some people are injured there, their lives can be saved. but they said, hands up, hands up. they took me over there. i kept on saying, please help them, they can be saved. but they said -- the police officers keep on saying, we are working on that. >> sounds like you were -- >> maybe they're not, otherwise i don't think that they did any negligence. but maybe they're dead or not -- >> i understand -- you certainly were aero. i'm sure those children will remember you forever. thank you very much. we appreciate -- >> one other thing i'd like to say. i am very much thankful to the media. since the incident, they are giving coverage, giving every kind of support. but what happened is very difficult. >> thank you very sharing. >> thank you. >> thank you very much, harbens. it's a horrible story when you hear it relived and certainly imagine those children seeing their father killed. we're going to remember the victims and the heroes after this. there's an incredible story coming out of the temple behind me. the temple's president who died trying to stop the gunman, one of his family members is "outfront" next. 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>> i mean, to be honest, i never thought it would be anything like this. this isn't real. i still have the memories of going there every sunday and being there with my uncle, with the other religious priests, parkash, they were saying earlier, these amazing individual. and praying together and eating together -- it's never going to be the same. you never really think, oh, maybe people may attack based on hate. you hope it doesn't happen, but you never think it's going to be at your own place of worship, of all places. and, yeah, so it's not real at this point. especially -- you don't sleep, you don't eat. you're just trying to take everything in. i think more than anything, i just want to make sure that the people of america know that when people -- i actually usually don't wear a turbianturban, but what happened yesterday -- >> as a show of solidarity. >> absolutely. and having this look of a beard and a turban does not mean you're a terrorist. we're sikhs and whether there are muslims with the same look, we're all people, we have families, we have friends, we have people that we love. we provide to the community. and we're just like everyone else. and i hope that people do not continue this ignorance and hate and continue to act on these things, these senseless acts of violence that terrorize entire communities. you hope these are isolated incidents. but then you hear about other ones and you just want to know, what can we do to make it stop? >> i hope that you ar taking th time to share this will do good. i know it will. >> thank you. >> thank you for braving through this. now our third story "outfront," after the tragedy here in oak creek yesterday, the sikh faith has been thrown into the national spotlight. as you can see, obviously very misunderstood. we wanted to tell you a little bit about it. despite the fact that there are well over 500,000 sikhs in this country, the average american knows very little about this monotheistic faith that preaches faith above all else. towards the end of the 19th century, sikhs started to make their way to the united states for a better life and to escape british oppression in india. many of them actually went to europe and australia. but a lot came to north america actually via hong kong. it's a fascinating story. many in this country began work as farmers. their first temple was actually set up in california in the year 1906. the united states saw further waves of sikh immigration in the 1960s when the government raised its immigration quotas and encouraged trained professionals to move to this country. sikh engineers and doctors answer that had call. one of the more well-known american sikhs is this man, who served in the u.s. army in world war i and later went on to earn a ph.d.. all of this after being turned down by the united states government in his quest for citizenship. he paved the way for thousands in both citizenship and military service, which brings me to tonight's number, 7. that is the total number of major wars the united states has fought since and including world war i, sikhs have served in every single one of them. this despite the united states military taking away religious uniform exemptions in the 1980s because prior to that, sikhs were actually allowed to wear the turbans so essential to their faith and to maintain their beards while serving. currently only three sikhs have been granted an exemption, including one captain, not only a u.s. army soldier but also a biomedical engineer and a practicing military dentist. it's a horrible shame it's taken a tragedy like this one for this country to acknowledge the contributions of this deeply peaceful and generous community. 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"outfront" now, oak creek police chief john edwards. chief edwards, thank you very much. >> you're welcome. >> i know this is a tough, trying time for you with your colleague in critical care. what have you just found out about where this gun came from? >> the atf determined the gun was bought at the shooter shop, a gun shop in milwaukee. the gun was purchased legally. there were no restrictions on the gun when it was purchased. it's a springfield xp 9 millimeter. >> so mr. page passed then presumably -- any kind of background checks, it was all -- >> yes, no restrictions whatsoever. >> all the boxes were checked? >> yes. >> how does that make you feel? >> i'm not here to debate or talk about some of the gun control laws or anything like that. i think individuals make choices and they make decisions, and it was a decision he made. it had nothing to do -- hundreds and hundreds of people purchase guns every day, thousands. and we don't have this result. an individual has to make a choice what they're going to do and how they're going to do it. he followed the rules and he was able to purchase a gun. >> let me ask you about your colleague, brian murphy. he had multiple gunshot wounds. he's in critical care. >> yes, i was just at the hospital with some other officers who visited him. he's awake, he's alert. can't speak. obviously he's got some trauma. he's able to mouth some things, hold up a thumbs-up. nod to you in acknowledgment with his eyes, smile -- >> his mind, he's there. >> he's there. he's the same guy. everything's looking good. he's got a long road ahead of him. but we're hopeful. looks promising. >> he saved a lot of lives. thank you so much, chief. >> you're welcome. in our fourth story "outfront," who was wade michael page? as we find out more about him, we just obviously, as you could see, now know that he bought the gun at the shooter shop in the milwaukee area. but police say that he shot and killed six people at the sikh temple in oak creek, wisconsin, just behind me. for several years, page fronted a punk rock band called end apathy. these are pictures posted on his myspace page. drew griffin is "outfront" tonight. drew, you've been doing a lot of work into the suspect, wade michael page. is it fair to say in a sense he was almost a celebrity in the neo-nazi music world? >> reporter: yeah. and many people would be surprised that there is such a thing. but there is and he was sort of a mini celebrity known within -- they call it white power music, erin. he began playing with these bands about 2000. and that's when various groups that track these hate groups began noticing this suspect, both the adl, the anti-defamation league and the southern poverty law center had been tracking him ever since. it was 2005 that he started his own band. it's called end apathy. that was a big moment for this guy. he began playing on some of the bigger stages at some of these hate fests. what's interesting, talked to an author of a book called "sou-- what's most important about it is this is one of their main outreaches to attract ung people. >> today, there are literally hundreds of bands with dozens of different record labels here in the united states. white power music has become a multimillion-dollar-or-year enterprise drawing young people in and fueling them with ideas of hatred and bigotry. >> reporter: the various group that is track these kind of individuals say they have had him on their radar for a dozen years or so. [ ] . we've seen him in full nats zi regal ya. there was no violence or acts that anybody can find behind his message of hate, just a musical message of hatred. erin? >> so i guess i'm sort of speechless because i know it's so difficult, someone can say hateful things and say they want to do hateful things but then not actually do them. i know we're going to be talking to the southern poverty law center in a moment. they've been looking at this guy for 12 years. was there time to prevent this act? >> reporter: well, he didn't act out. his criminal record is fairly minor. he had a drunk driving issue in colorado years ago. he had a criminal mischief charge back in texas, as far as we can tell. but that was very, very minor misdemeanor. he's part of this white power band movement. they say a lot of nasty things in their songs, they hate jew, they hate blacks. what is really surprising about this guy is he was not shy about it. a lot of these people try to hide behind the scenes. this guy gave an interview to his record label talking about his lyrics. i want to tell you what he wrote about his lyrics to show you what kind of an artist he thought he was. he said, the topics vary from soesh logical issues, religion, and how the value of human life has been degraded by being submissive to tyranny and hypocrisy that we are subjugated to. i've spoke with many of these people. they all spout this hatred, this love of hitler, this neo-nazi worship that they do. they meet at these festivals around the country. and this guy was very much a musical part of those festivals. >> drew griffin, thank you very much for that. very hard to listen to that report. a lot of this is protected by some of the values we hold most dear in this country, referring to free speech. it's a difficult question for a lot of people tonight. the southern poverty law center is a nonprofit group that makes a business of studying hate crimes in extremist groups. since the year 2000, they have been tracking wade michael page. heidi byrick is "outfront" tonight. heidi, you've been tracking this guy for 12 years. why? what was the first thing that made you say, this person is doing or could do something wrong? >> well, the first thing that we found on him or ran across him was him trying to purchase some materials from a neo-nazi group called the national alliance. that group was a very, very serious concern for us all through the '90s and early 2000s. it's leader penned the book at timothy mcveigh used in carrying out the oklahoma city bombings. so anyone that stems from that is a concern for us. >> so did you try to law enforcement look into this guy and you were sort of shut down by what drew's reporting, he was just talking and that's protected by the first amendment or did you not try to get to law enforcement? >> what your reporter said is absolutely true although this guy had an ugly hate music band, he was active in the hate scene, he performed at what are the equivalence of lollapalooza hate fests, they have the right to praise hitler. but it doesn't necessarily mean that someone's going to step over the line into violence. he had a minor criminal record. there was no way to say to someone, we predict this person is going to do something heius like what happened outside of milwaukee. >> heidi, thank you very much. we appreciate your taking the time. next, as you just heard, the police officer who put his life on the line and almost died to save others' lives is, as you heard from his colleague, doing all right tonight. the surgeon that saved his life and is trying to save two other sikhs who are in critical care tonight is "outfront" after this. ey. besides i get great gas mileage. what's that? it's eassist. helps the engine run really efficiently. it captures energy that assists the engine... so i'm never guzzling gas. oh -- that's hippie talk. it's called technology dad... here take two dollars. take the money. 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all of the above? >> it's all of the above. we see a lot of domestic violence that does occur. but there's also a lot of gang violence and other types of violence. i can't really put a finger on exactly -- but the numbers are pretty remarkable. >> and is part of it because of the guns that are available? the whole country's having this conversation now. this state is the 47th most lenient gun control laws in the country. is that part of the reason why your job is as hard, as horrible as it can be sometimes? >> well, it's hard to say. i'm not a politician and i'm not going to get into a debate about gun control. but clearly people have guns. they use guns. they have knives. they use knives. and there seems to be just so much anger out there. and a lot of people who act with just no good reason whatsoever. and it's those type of incidents that really tear at your heart and you really wish you could do something to prevent that stuff. >> you've been doing this now for nearly 15 years. when you talk about people being angry, is it worse now than it used to be? 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it turns out it's the law abiding good citizens, not the criminals. when you have a gun free zone, it actually serves as a magnet for these attacks. let's suppose a violent criminal, god forbid, was stalking you. would you feel safer putting a sign up in front of your home that said "this home is a gun free zone"? my guess is you wouldn't do that. and the answer for why they wouldn't do it is pretty obvious. because a sign like that isn't going to cause the criminal to say, look, ipg ni'm not going t attack the person there. the sign draws him in because he knows you won't have to worry about somebody stopping. we put those signs up all over those place. not in front of your home. you'd never do it in front of your home. >> bernard, let me ask you to respond to that. if you -- if the laws change and guns weren't available, do you agree with the principle people would find another way to get them or would demand drop? >> well, in the united states, these gun control laws are the first federal laws were the result of the valentine's day massacre 1933. there are two sets of laws. one requires absolute registration such as machine guns. in one of the norm aal commerce part one firearms do not. in the united states today you also have a gray market that is created by the transaction of guns that take place after the legitimate industry. this is a major social issue for this country. >> yes. >> and there's a lot of self-responsibility issues when it comes to firearms ownership and use. >> a lot people would like to say all right, well, if these sales were happening in the gray area, then we could do something about it. the recent incidents did not happen in the gray area. these were people who were buying guns legitimately and in the open and legally. >> this is why i don't focus simply on this type of incident. just this weekend, let's go back to chicago, 29 wounded, 5 people killed. in our country, more than 100,000 people every single year are shot and killed. it's interesting we talk about putting signs up. here's one of the facts from the brady campaign that they lay out. every year, only about 200 legally justified self-defense shootin inings in this country. the problem we have in this country, we also have frankly, a culture that is in love with guns. and so we have what is called the biblical term a generational curse. it's time for this generation to break that curse and the last thing we need are more americans running out, buying up more guns, because all that is going to do is to cause people to pop off a lot of faster. they will not think twice. that's one of the problems we have. that's the last thing we need. >> john, i'm curious as to your response to that. and also i've always wanted to ask this question of someone with your point of view. why should a regular citizen have an automatic or semiautomatic weapon? >> well, there's a big difference between an automatic and semiautomatic weapon. i know the president last week was going out and saying we should only have ak-47s for soldiers. but the thing is these attacks aren't occurring with automatic machine guns. these are occurring with semiautomatics. these are military-style civilian version, of these guns. they just look like this on the outside but they function exactly the same as any rifle. if you're going to ban all rifle, fine, go and talk about banning them. but going and picking guns just because they look a particular way doesn't make that much sense. you know, it's -- responding to the comment that was just made. look, people use guns defensively about 4 to 5 times more frequently than guns are used in the commission of a crime. the fbi national crime victimization survey shows about 450,000 times each year people use guns to commit crime. but similar surveys show that people use guns about 2 million times -- >> erin, erin, the brady campaign lays out -- >> roland, final word. >> -- used to intimidate or threaten 4 to 6 times more often they're used to thwart time. a 2009 study found people in possession of a gun are almost five times more likely to be shot in an assault. the point is not -- >> you don't know what you're talking about. >> excuse me, i'm citing from the brady campaign, you take it up from them. here's my point, erin -- >> understand where these numbers come from -- >> allow me to finish. erin, we can argue back and forth over a study. we lose billions of dollars every year due to gun violence in this country and that doctor told you the toll it is taking. so more guns is not the answer. >> look, we've seen what happens when d.c. and chicago ban guns. >> i'm sorry -- i'm sorry, i have to leave it there, but thanks to all three of you. we appreciate it. obviously a conversation we're going to be having much more. 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