passes paul ryan's 2013 budget plan. >> i applaud my colleagues for the tough decisions they have made to try to do the right thing for the country. >> the problem is we already now how this story will end. zero democrats voted for this budget which means it's dead on arrival in the senate. democrats say it ends medicare as we know it. as for the president's budget, it's a no-go too. it's a campaign document that raises taxes and doesn't rein in spending. here's the bottom line. america hasn't had a budget in 1,065 days. both sides say this is a tragedy but instead of compromising or embracing the revenue raising and the blueprint of the gang of six or the simpson-bowles commission, both sides put their own budgets out knowing full well they won't pass. the blame, they say, goes to the other side of the aisle. >> we don't think that the president's led on this issue by virtue he's given us four budgets with literally no proposal to prevent a debt crisis, to get this debt under control. >> this tea party republican budget that passed today is going to prevent students from going to college, that's clear, force seniors to decide between food and medicine and it's going to increase unemployment in the construction sector. that all happened today. >> i had a small glimmer of hope today when i heard that nancy pelosi had changed her mind about simpson-bowles. back when the commission's proposal came out she called it, quote, simply unacceptable in a press release. today she said she's on board with it. and i thought she was going to flip-flop the way politicians sometimes should. you admit you were wrong or you changed your mind, you step up and embrace that and you say it's best for the country. but no, the way she did it, she pretended she always liked simpson-bowl sglez as to what was in simpson-bowles, as i said, i felt fully ready to vote for that myself. >> there's a reason for all the stuttering and stammering there. by the way, she still voted against the bill based on simpson-bowles yesterday. sand box politics continue and one man who knows the san sandbox so well he's leaving washington at the end of his term because of it is the senate budget committee chairman, kent conrad of north dakota. i asked him if paul ryan's budget was dead on arrival in the senate. >> the budget that has passed the house is not a governing document, it's a political document and an ideological document. you know, it's a very curious thing because what it says is even though we have massive deficits and debt, the first thing we're going to do is cut taxes further on the wealthiest among us. not only extend permanently all the tax cuts from the bush administration, but add $200 billion more in tax cuts directed at the very wealthiest among us. that's really not a path to a balanced plan. >> it's interesting you say it's an ideological and political document. here's what he had to say about you and senate democrats overall. he took to twitter. paul ryan, and he said, quote, on the 1,065th day that@senate dems failed to pass a budget, the house met its legal and moral obligations. what is your response to the people responsible for putting out the democrats budget. >> he must not read the legislation he votes on because last year we passed not a budget resolution, but a budget law called the budget control act. the budget control act included the budget for the current year and next year. >> but most americans will say, look, we're supposed to have this done in the spring. we're supposed to have compromise. we're supposed to have a real budget and not have to rely on gimmicks or control acts or things like that, right? it's frustration. >> whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute, wait a minute. the control act is not a gimmick. the control act is the law of the land. it cut $900 billion of spending over the next ten years. >> it seems, though, that part of the problem here is, and i know you're saying that's law and that passed, but we're not getting a real budget because the two sides can't agree, which brings me to you and the gang of six. you are a leader there, you were the person that put forth simpson-bowles. you had $4.6 trillion of cuts in the gang of six. is there any way to push that again? >> the question is the longer term. and that's why i think bowles-simpson has some value and what the work of the group of six has such value because it would save over $4 trillion on our deficit and debt over the next ten years. and it's a longer term plan. that's what we really need. and right now the two sides are so far apart that there seems to be an unwillingness to come to the center. >> is there a chance that we can get some sort of a grand bargain, though? i know you try hard and you end up with these continuing budgets. but is there a chance we could get something real, something long term, something that tackles all these things? i mean you're leaving your job, right, because you said, at least my understanding is, the best way to serve your country and reduce the national debt, well, you're leaving the senate. so it seems like you're saying the best way to do that is not to be in the senate, not to be the chairman of the committee charged with setting up a budget. >> look, i can't make my colleagues drink. i can bring the horse to the water, i can't make them drink. and i'll have served 26 years, less than 5% of senators in history have served that long. i've done my level best to convince my colleagues. we have laid out a plan. i'm hopeful that before this year is over, i know it's not going to happen before the election, but i am hopeful that before this year is over that when congress is staring in the face the expiration of all the tax cuts and staring in the face the sequester that will cut over a trillion dollars out of defense and nondefense, that people will say now is the time, now is the time to have a long-term plan that really gets the country back on track. >> okay. if this all sounds like deja vu to you, you're not alone. remember last summer when there was a grand bargain debt deal in the works between the president and house speaker john boehner? they were going to do something big for the country? we all know what happened. it went down in fiery, fiery, fiery flames and "the new york times" magazine's chief political writer came out with a whopper of an article this week. really, really, you've got to read it, detailing all the secret negotiations, all the e-mails, subterfuge and the hope. lessons we learned from that superfail could help us on the road ahead. matt bye and john avalon is also here. let me start with you, john. there's something to me that is just unbelievable about the fact that the guy in charge of putting a budget out in the senate says he wants his legacy to be dealing with this fiscal crisis and the way to do it is to leave the senate and leave that job. >> that's right. that's how frustrated, that's how much of an impasse they're at. the responsible actors are leaving because we see over and over again this inability to compromise. everyone says there's 80% agreement and yet we get zero progress. today bowles-simpson got put back forward to a bill late last night. only 38 members of the house voted for it. >> and you have nancy pelosi, unbelievable i was there but then i was there but then i was that. >> this is profiles and cowardice, day after day they prove they deserve to have the lowest approval ratings in congressional history. they talk about the deficit, demagogue about the deficit and refuse to deal with it. it's disgusting. >> matt, you did an incredible piece of journalism. it is long and it is worth it. you wrote if we understand what really went on last july, we'll have a better sense of how difficult it will be for the two parties to stave off the coming political calamity and why too the situation may not be quite as hopeless as it seems. let's start with that, not quite as hopeless as it seems. give us some hope. >> i'm an optimist, erin. thank you for the kind words about the piece, i appreciate it. you know, if you read the piece, what you have to come away with and what i came away with is we have two principals here who were very, very committed to getting something done if they could find agreement. the president obviously had reason to do this and speaker, i think, i really feel certain was willing to risk his speakership and in fact, you know, he has said for all these months that once the president asks for more revenue, he had no choice but to walk away. we now know that isn't true. what i found out is actually that the speaker was interested in actually trying to find a way to meet the president at that higher revenue figure. he contemplated a higher offer and it was eric cantor speaking presumably for the house leadership who said we can't get this done and can't get it through the caucus. so you do have two guys who may well be in office at the end of the year who have a real commitment to get this done. they came about 80% of the way toward getting an agreement. there are significant on stacbs that remain. >> it's interesting reading your article and at one point john boehner was taking way too long to return the president's phone calls but they seem to have gotten over it. i only say that because of something that happened this week. when the president spoke on the open mic, it was john boehner who said leave him alone, he's overseas. i wonder if there's something we can read into that into their willingness to work together. >> john boehner is old school in the best sense. he's back in that tradition when people made deals in congress. the last thing he'd want is an open mic any time he was negotiating anything. the problem is if you listen to kent conrad carefully, members of congress are essentially kicking the can till after the election. they are saying maybe something will get done in the lame duck. the only thing they're responding to is the prospect of political pain. they're not week driven by what's best for the country or even what they know is in the best interests of the country. it's all partisan politics and the inmates are running the asylum. >> kent conrad says maybe at the end of the year that we could do a grand bargain. i want to be optimistic too. but given what they did with the payroll tax extension at the end of last year, do you think it's reasonable that we could hope for a grand bargain? >> well, i think it's reasonable. i don't know that it's incredibly likely. but there's a potential to have the president re-elected looking at maybe an 18-month window to solidify his legacy before the midterms and then another presidential campaign. the speaker with perhaps a slightly altered kaw cuss. we should not make the mistake of thinking that this has to be the only way to get out of this is a big transformative deal that radically alters the fiscal picture of the country. if you look actually at what the president and the speaker had agreed upon, despite their disagreements, in those talks last summer, what you find is that there is a real basis for incremental change, for a series of areas they can agree on that would actually take a first significant step toward putting the country on a different fiscal trajectory and a trajectory that fostered inquality to a lesser degree. and i think that's probably more likely and more doable than talking about something like simpson-bowles which would be presumably much more radical. >> let's leave it as a glass -- even a quarterful and that left me feeling better. thanks to matt and john. outfront next, the latest in the case of the soldier accused of murdering 17 afghan civilians. how his attorney plans to spare bales the death penalty. and we have new information about the pilot who was restrained during that jetblue flight this week and how pilots are dealing with depression. a lot of them have it. plus tony robbins talking about a way to get out of depression and stop feeling upset about the debt. he's outfront. you'd spot movement, gather intelligence with minimal collateral damage. but rather than neutralizing enemies in their sleep, you'd be targeting stocks to trade. well, that's what trade architect's heat maps do. they make you a trading assassin. trade architect. td ameritrade's empowering, web-based trading platform. trade commission-free for 60 days, and we'll throw in up to $600 when you open an account. trade commission-free for 60 days, we want to protect the house. right. but... home security systems can be really expensive. to save money, we actually just adopted a rescue panther. i think i'm goin-... shhh! we find that we don't need to sleep that much. there's an easier way to save. geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. and then treats day after day... well, shoot, that's like checking on your burgers after they're burnt! 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here's what we know tonight. the u.s. military has not been back to the crime scene. they have not gathered dna evidence. but there is blood evidence on bales' clothing according to u.s. personnel. evidence has been collected by afghan investigators. u.s. officials also say that sergeant bales left the base and returned to tell fellow soldiers he had killed afghan men before he went out to kill a second time. bales' attorney, john henry brown, told me yesterday he had not confirmed those allegations, but if true, they would hurt his case. >> as far as this comment about -- >> they told people on the base. he told people on the base i shot -- >> he shot bad guys or something? >> i shot afghan men of military age. >> if the military prosecutors have said that, then it would be something i'd be very concerned about, but i have not heard that from anything other than unattributed sources. >> it seemed clear to me that brown is not counting on that remaining the case. he's moving ahead with the defense that he hopes explains why his client allegedly killed the civilians. brown told me ptsd is definitely an issue, but he's also looking at certain medications. he expects to have sergeant bales' medical records in hand in a few weeks. now, specifically we talked about the anti-malaria drug larium. >> i've never had a case involving it but i've been reading about it a lot and it certainly could be a factor if he was taking it. keep in mind, this is a man who everybody, even his commanders, said nothing but good things about him. you know, all the people that worked with him say nothing but good things about him. in a good way. that he was a good father, he was a good husband, he was a good soldier. so that's pretty interesting. >> but is larium a valid defense for someone accused of murdering 17 people? dr. ritchie is a forensic psychologist who investigated the effects of larium on american soldiers during a case where four servicemen inexplicably murdered their wives. doctor, i appreciate you taking the time. i want to talk to you about the case of william wright. i was reading about this this week. special forces soldier in afghanistan, of course sergeant bales was in special opes in afghanistan. wright killed his wife, buried her in the woods and ended up killing himself. do you see some similarities in these cases? >> i do. and, first of all, you should know that -- first of all, you should know that larium has had a long history of being associated with neuropsychiatric side effects. however, it's really only the last ten years since the ft. bragg cases that we've realized how significant those side effects are, and the military has actually made a number of attempts to stop or reduce the use of larium in afghanistan. but, yes, i was a member of the team that looked at the ft. bragg murder-suicides, and there are some disturbing similarities. >> it seemed also that, you know, we just heard john henry brown talking about sergeant bales saying that in the military at least, everyone had only good things to say about him as a husband, as a father, as a colleague, which sounds a lot like what you heard about william wright who then proceeded to do something truly horrific. >> that's absolutely true. sergeant first class wright was described in very, very positive terms. one of the things that didn't really make sense was the brutality of the crime and that he would do it. having said that, when we looked at all the cases, these were cases of marital infidelity, there was a lot of stress on the soldiers. they were going back and forth to afghanistan. but after the crime, and this i have secondhand, not firsthand, but wright's lawyer described him as being out of it, as not really seeming to know what was going on and to seem confused. he apparently said he thought there was a mouse in the dog bowl. he was pretty incoherent. now, this is secondhand, but again there's enough disturbing similarities that made me wonder. and i first posted this in a blog over a week ago. could the explanation be that sergeant bales was on larium. now, i don't know that he was, but i think it's something we really have to consider. >> now, the medical records, are you surprised why the d.o.d. hasn't released them? i would think that would be pretty easy for them to do. what else should we be looking at there? i'm particularly interested in steroids. >> first of all, it is measurable in the blood and measurable for a long time. it also can be found in the feces so there should have been a blood or other screen for it. sometimes the medical records reveal things and sometimes they don't, especially if someone is stationed in a remote outpost and might have gotten the medications locally. >> or something like steroids, which they're not supposed to be taking. >> or something like steroids. but i'll tell you, this to me is more than steroids. steroids can cause problems, no question. you've heard of roid rage. but to have go out and unprovoked gun down men, women and children and then walk back to the base, it just doesn't make sense. usually if there's a steroid rage, someone is angry at their wife or their brother and that's where the rage is. but this seems consistent with delusions, with hallucinations, with psychotic thinking. now, i wasn't there so it's speculation, but i wouldn't be at all surprised if lariam was not the source of some of this. >> dr. ritchie, thank you very much. we appreciate it. new details tonight about the jetblue pilot whose midair meltdown caused the emergency landing. we are just learning that captain clayton osbon's father was killed in a 1995 private plane crash in florida. we'll have more on that after this break and talk about what role depression possibly could have played. that's coming up next. ♪ the utterly shocking sensation of being on a business trip where everything goes right. backed up by a 100% satisfaction guarantee. feel the advantage. feel the hamptonality. i bathed it in miracles. director: [ sighs ] cut! sorry to interrupt. when's the show? 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well, the economy is growing. economists believe growth is slowing down. gdp grew at a 3% rate in the final three months of last year. economists told outfront they think it will slow to 2% in the first quarter of this year. that is bad news but economic growth can solve a lot. a third to 40% of our deficit could go away if we just had a stronger economy. breaking news, we are hearing from the first time from an eyewitness to the shooting that killed 17-year-old trayvon martin. our david mattingly is following this story and he's in sanford, florida. david, good to see you. appreciate it. i know that you had a chance to talk to some witnesses today, one of whom brief ly spoke to anderson cooper and i wanted to play a little snippet of that. >> it was dark, but after the shots, obviously someone -- a man got up. it was kind of like that period of him i can't say i watched him get up but maybe within only a couple of seconds or so, then he was walking towards where i was watching. i could see him a little bit clearer and see that it was an hispanic man and he was, you know, he didn't appear hurt or anything else, he just kind of seemed very worried or whatever, walked like on the sidewalk at that point with his hand up to his forehead. and then another man came out with a flashlight. >> david, i know you had a chance to talk to that eyewitness as well as others. as you're pulling the story together and the threads, what version of events that happened that night are you coming to the conclusion happened? >> reporter: well, there are so many people who heard the gunshot and then heard people arguing outside and heard a fight, but these are comments from a true eyewitness, someone who describes the scene of two men wrestling in the dark, so dark that this witness could not identify either of the combatants. could not see who was on top, could not see any blows being thrown or who was taking advantage of whom in that situation. but this person was watching those two men wrestling in the dark when the gunshot went off and that witness said that prior to this, there was definitely a voice heard calling for help. then immediately before the gunshot, this witness heard someone making a noise that's described as distorted and agonized right before the gunshot went off. but what's most interesting in my conversation earlier with this eyewitness was what police were saying to this eyewitness the night that this happened. and this witness tells me that they were very upset, having watched -- after learning that someone had died here, they were very upset. one of the police officers tried to comfort this witness by saying if it makes you feel any better, the person that was yelling for help is alive. obviously george zimmerman here. so it sounds like the police were accepting the story that george zimmerman was the one yelling for help prior to shooting his weapon that night. also there was another comment made about george zimmerman from a police officer to this witness. quote, you should see him. he was really scratched and beaten up. again, confirming what was in the police report that george zimmerman was injured in the nose and on the back of his head during this fight. so again, those two comments i find here, erin, very interesting. >> and david, it's interesting because we've all been through this police report. one of the things they said there in the police report about zimmerman was the policeman wrote, quote, i could observe that his back appeared to be wet and was covered in grass, as if he had been laying on his back on the ground. zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and back of his head. again, i guess i just keep wondering, are people corroborating this version? it sounds like a lot of what you're saying people saw is different than what the police then reported. >> reporter: well, a lot of questions have come up when that surveillance video has come out that we see george zimmerman being brought into the police station in handcuffs. the video is not of the best quality, it's a bit grainy, a bit dark, but we do not see any visible injuries on george zimmerman as he's coming into the police station. but we are also -- we also know that in the report that he did sustain an injury to his -- that he was bleeding from his nose and the back of his head we were told by police and by his friends that he was attended to medically on the scene and he was cleaned up on the scene before being taken to the police station. one thing that's missing here is some context about what kind of injuries, how extensive they actually were. they could have been very minor, they could have not been seen on that video, they could have disappeared when they were cleaned up, we just don't know. we tried to reach out to the fire department who was there on the scene, the paramedics that were on the scene, but that's medical information. that's part of the investigation. they can't release it for both reasons, that there are privacy issues here and it's part of an active investigation. >> david mattingly, thank you very much. reporting from the scene there. and now outfront's investigation into vigilante justice around the country. last night we told you about volunteers in flipnt, michigan, one of the most dangerous cities in the media. they use social media to warn their neighbors about violence in the area. tonight we found a group that goes a bit further. regular citizens, armed, ready to fight and patrolling the streets. miguel marquez reports from flint. >> reporter: by day streets in large parts of flint are rough. by night, those same streets, downright scary. with police in short supply, citizens here are providing their own security, organizing 24/7 community watches, patrolling neighborhoods, calling in suspicious activity to 911. no one we talked to wanted to be identified. >> i've been shot at. they have tried to stab me. but i'm not going to stop. >> reporter: he's been part of a community watch here called sos, save our streets, for ten years. the tools, basic. cell phone, portable scanner, a powerful flashlight. >> can you show us your weapon? >> yes. what i carry is a .40 caliber with crimson trace laser grips. >> reporter: guns serious business here. it's legal to carry them and he has a permit to carry concealed weapons. he says he's not looking for a confrontation, but -- >> if it came to the point of myself losing my life and my daughter not having a dad or my grandchildren not having a grandfather or my wife not having a husband, i'm going hom home. >> reporter: i'm sorry. >> i'm going home alive. i'm not going home in a box. >> reporter: the number of guns on flint's streets, both legal and illegal, a huge concern for the police chief here. >> how many guns do you think are on the streets of this town? >> i don't have any idea. but it's a lot of them. >> thousands? >> yes. >> tens of thousands? >> i don't know about tens of thousands. but thousands i would say. >> but some of them high-powered as well? >> yes. >> in the hands of bad people? >> yes. >> automatic weapons? >> some. >> reporter: this is pierson road in north flint, one of the toughest areas of the city. gunfire, even automatic gunfire can be heard here. most of the people we spoke to in these neighborhood watch programs stay in their own areas, but this neighborhood is so tough, some of those groups have branched out here. chief lock tradrawing on trayvo martin's situation fears well-meaning citizens here may end up getting hurt or worse. >> leave the area and go somewhere safe and wait for the police. >> i take it you think people who carry guns and hope to help out law enforcement are a recipe for disaster? >> i think they can be a recipe for disaster because you look at the thing that happened down in florida. that was a recipe for disaster, and it happened. will it happen here? i don't know. >> reporter: neighborhood watchers say they're not trying to make policing here more difficult, but they want their city back. >> you can't give up on a city. i mean someone has got to care. >> reporter: he says he'll stop when the streets here are safe again. miguel marquez, cnn, flint, michigan. and we have new developments in the very strange amish beard cutting case. four women charged today. and tony robbins comes outfront. he's got some uplifting, feel-good news for you and some advice for mitt romney. gravitatl and hurtle us all into space, which would render retirement planning unnecessary. but say the sun rises on december 22nd and you still need to retire, td ameritrade's investment consultants can help you build a plan that fits your life. we'll even throw in up to $600 when you open a new account or roll over an old 401(k). so who's in control now, mayans? 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>> well, they'll be able to look at those last two hours, erin. right now the ntsb has them. they're downloading the data. they'll give that to the fbi who's leading that investigation. so they may not get the full picture of what happened, say, shortly after takeoff, but they'll sort of be able to back time from the emergency landing about two hours back into it. so they should be able to hear some of the things that we heard in the affidavit in that criminal complaint talking about we're not going to vegas, talking about sin, essentially that sermon that the first officer categorized captain osbon as making in the cockpit. >> we talked about a commercial airline pilot last night that ted said on these mental health screenings it relies on pilots being honest and a lot of them aren't because they feel they would be discriminated against. you talked to a pilot who admitted to being depressed and i wanted to play a quick clip of that. >> pilots are people too. we're human like everyone else. you take someone who's flying a 747 with hundreds of people on board. huge responsibility. the general public looks at that person like, oh, he needs to be a superman. he can't have this flaw, he can't have that flaw or she can't do this or she can't do that because my life is in his or her hands. but pilots are people too. >> lizzie, it sounds like they feel great pressure to not be honest about some of the mental health issues. >> well, and when you look at the numbers, the faa gets some numbers, pilots self report, the ones taking medication. it's about 0.16%. when you contrast that to the rate of depression in the general public, that's about 10%. we asked the faa if they think that's a true number and they say they're studying the data. now to a rather bizarre story. a federal grand jury indicting four amish women over a rash of beard and hair cutting incidents targeting amish men and women in ohio. the women are all married to nephews of samuel mullet sr. he is the ring leader of five religiously motivated assaults. at the point a total of 16 people, including mullet, face charges including lying to federal agents, disposing of shears and a bag of hair. federal prosecutors picked him to be an expert in this case. i appreciate you taking the time to be with us. it's a very hard case for people to understand that aren't in the amish community. can you just explain why -- how significant the beard is in that community. >> well, the beard is very important because it's a symbol -- a public symbol of amish identity. all amish men wear beard. it's also an important symbol of religious identity. they cite numerous bible verses as their reason for wearing the beard. and for the elders, the leaders, to have a full-length beard is a symbol of their wisdom and stature and a symbol of their authority. >> so now we're finding amish women and their husbands, all nephews of this man, cutting other amish men's beards. i mean it's truly bizarre. it sounds like a hate crime. i'm wondering how unusual and bizarre this is? >> well, this is off the charts. it's outrageous. it's in direct violation with several basic amish teachings. amish women are involved because typically amish spouses work together and collaborate on things. so apparently they got involved as well. >> now, the sheriff where all of this happened has said that samuel mullett sr. is a cult leader, not just the leader of this group, a cult leader. how representative is their sect in the amish community of amish life? is it fair to call it a cult? >> i think what mullett is, is in fact a cult leader. it fits the psychological definition of a cult. but the amish in general can never be classified as a cult. . a cult means that you have a single leader with total control, authoritarian control, and people comply with the person because they're afraid. and they will get punished, they will get physically hurt if they don't imply. so mullet is obsessed with power, he thinks he's invincible, skpufand unfortunat he's been using the good name of the amish and amish religion as a way to shield and protect himself from the law, for his illegal behavior. >> well, john, thank you very much, for coming and explaining that. next is the i erkidea segme. tony robins with an idea. your finances can't manage themselves. but that doesn't mean they won't try. bring all your finances together with the help of the one person who can. a certified financial planner professional. cfp. let's make a plan. 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[ male announcer ] one pill a day. 24 hours. zero heartburn. so, today we learned the u.s. economy seems to be coming out of its slump, but way, way too slowly. is it headed for a better place? tonight's idea guest, tony robbins, author, entrepreneur, and star of the new tv show "breakthrough" is a personal adviser to some of the world's top leaders. and tonight he shares his idea for tackling america's crisis of confidence. and he's got some advice for mitt romney too. >> i think we're in a season that you can look at over an 80-year history period, and it's a season of winter. and we're in the middle of winter, we're not done with it. and i think that if you look at where we are, with the level of depth that we have, with the problems that have not been resolved, to think that suddenly we're going to turn things around and suddenly we're going to become more productive and all these jobs are going to come back is a delusion. i'm a very positive individual, but i also believe in intelligence. and to look around and say those low-skill, low-knowledge jobs are going to come back, some will, but most aren't. we have to re-tool. you put someone for 99 weeks and provide this terrible basic income for them and they lose their confidence and certainty, and you don't re-tool them and you think it's going to change? we have to re-tool or we're not going to see a long-term change, i don't think. >> how do you psychologically get around that, if you're one of those people? and there are. our unemployment level when you count people who don't have the job they want or are working part-time is about 16 or 17%. what do you say to them that they can do? there's technically go out and get this new school, but then there's -- >> the psychological side. >> it's not somebody you can say to somebody. you've got to give them experience. one of the reasons i credited the show "breakthrough," no matter how stuck you've been, there are moments in time where you change your life. and i thought the best way to help somebody like that would be to have contrast. so i put the show together, we got these people who go off on their wedding. the wedding is in mexico. they jump in the swimming pool as a celebration when they're fully clothed. they jump in and it's all blood. he becomes a quadriplegic. he's sitting in a chair, looking at tv set, being filled with drugs. his wife is now his caretaker. she can't leave the house, he can't leave the house. what do you tell them? how do you pump them up? i don't do that. i say, beliefs are a poor substitute for experience. i've got to give him some experiences that can show him he can have an extraordinary quality of life. there are people who are quadriplegics that have terrific lives and people who can walk who have terrible lives. i get him how to play murder ball. it looks like mad max for a bunch of guys who are quadriplegics. i get him to build a truck and drive the things with his elbows 110 miles an hour in the desert with me in the right seat. when you give people experiences of what was impossible, you can shift them. or if they see a role model. not everybody's going to give you that experience. they have to see what's possible and we have to show them, there's something inside of you that's stronger than anything we're facing and here's what we do to actually start to change your moment. >> how do we take all the negativity out there. negativity in the news, negativity with washington, negativity with the debt. let's take one of them, trayvon martin. this is a situation that's galvanized people and motivated people and a real opportunity to make a real difference in this country. but then there's also a lot of negativity. a lot of, let's put a bounty on that guy's head and let's be mad at these people and people start blaming and being angry. how do we not let this devolve into an issue that just divides the races? >> well, we can't control that. but leadership can steer people in a direction where we get more of the facts. and we say, look, if this is an injustice, which it appears to be on the surface, at least enough that this man hasn't been charged, we haven't gathered the evidence, we haven't done something actively this far. that anger that people feel, i think it's a beautiful thing slo as long as people get channeled. i really believe we get what we tolerate. we get what we tolerate in ourselves, we get what we tolerate in our government, we get what we tolerate in our laws. and some people need to come to a breaking point. that's the only good that i can see that m kos out of this. easy for us to see that we department lose our son. but because this happened, this won't happen again. the never again mentality. there's something that can be made progress. >> so in this election. >> yes. >> you've advised a whole lot of very famous public figures over the years, from princess diana to george bush. i mean, everybody. okay, so, which of the candidates could benefit the most from a little bit of your help? a little bit of your passion, energy, enthusiasm? i can think of some of them that might need a little help. >> well, i actually, my chief of staff was mitt romney's chief of staff, ironically at one time. >> it's funny you said mitt romn romney. i wasn't thinking of that. >> i'm more of an independent person, i voted for barack obama and i'm an independent individual. but if you're saying, who could use the help, if you