$450 billion jobs plan. house speaker john boehner doesn't like it. >> nothing has disappointed me more than what's happened over the last five weeks. to watch the president of the united states give up on governing, give up on leading and spend full time campaigning. >> the president dares the republicans to say no. >> if congress does something, then i can't run against a do nothing congress. if congress does nothing, then it's not a matter of me running against them, i think the american people will run them out of town. >> democratic political strategist jamal simmons is in our washington bureau along with karen ready. do you think the president is right, he has found way to get the jobs bill with a tax increase, too? >> i think he does have it right. lining up for the republicans, either you are for the middle class or against the middle class. either you're defending millionaires or on the side of the working people. i think that will be something for republicans to have to wrestle with. i'm not sure i want to be on the side of defending wall street and millionaires in this kind of electoral environment. >> it was interesting, a cnn reporter ran into susan collins, a moderate republican in the halls today and said she didn't like this either which was interesting because she was moderate. will the republicans make this fail or is jamal right, to make it fail will be tantamount to not getting re-elected? >> the president knows this jobs bill is going nowhere even with this new tax. there are a number of democrats who still would refuse and i assume would be on the record within the next 24 hours, still refusing to vote for a bill simply because they think because it spends too much money in spite of a tax increase. there are a lot of democrats up for election and don't want anything to do with the president and don't want to be seen supporting a spending bill the president's name is on. >> john, can you break that tie? >> i will break that tie. i'm on jamal's case. if you tax folks who make over a million dollar a year, a very different political proposition than saying families who make $250,000 a year are in this bunch of super rich. 75% of all voters support taxing millionaires more. they will be throwing the class warfare rhetoric around. the reality of the policy is very different politically and they might box themselves in a corner. >> the bill is not going to pass, i can assure you of that. >> washington insider. it won't pass. i'll be surprised if it even comes up for a vote, quite frankly. it's much better -- it's better politics on the part of the democrats. if president obama had gone out there to start with, with a tax truly on millionaires and not the 250,000 dollar range chuck schumer balked at, he would have been bet tore start with and wouldn't have had to engainesvilling in this constant finger wagging. >> i want to move to herman cain. jamal, i want to ask you a quick question, if i may. if this does not pass, is that it for the president with the jobs bill. is he in campaign mode or keep trying? >> no, it isn't or it would be a problem for the president. he has to keep pushing this jobs bill and if they vote it down, break it up into pieces and come back every week. what we haven't heard from karen and she speaker or mitch mcconnell what the republican jobs plan is. they have now been in office for ten months. >> sure you have. you have heard about it. >> so is your jobs plan to get rid of the epa and get rid of dodd-frank? that's not really a jobs plan but get rid of payoff to republican donors. >> i hit pause on this. i want to ask all of you about herman cain, especially since we're talking about middle class and herman cain is surging in the polls despite saying things in the current political founder you think don't make sense. he said something yesterday i was surprised and said the same thing today. >> if you are envious of somebody that happens to be rich that you call a "fat cat," go and get rich instead of expecting them to walk outside of their office and write you a check. that's not the way america works. work for it! >> i think it will play well in the republican primary. there's a reason for this. he'll come across as insensitive or not empathizing with people who have a tough time in the economy. there is a deep resistance in this country to the idea of welfare. we passed welfare reform 15 years ago and candidates still run against it. there's something about don't depending on someone else. >> he's saying these things repeatedly, passionately and consistently and rising in the polls. >> i i had to dysagree with a fellow moore house alum, herman cain, like me. i believe he's wrong. this unemployment crisis is very personal to a lot of people in this country. americans would love to get a job and get rich, love to start a business but they can't get a job. those jobs don't exist and they can't start a business because they can't get the financing. he has to come up with a plan for helping to solve that and i think people would absolutely agree with him. let's all go out and get rich. >> do you think herman cain really could get the nomination here or is it still mitt romney's? >> i don't think it's mitt romney's. i'm not sure who said it's mitt romney's nomination. it will be a great race. i think it was michelle obama, in her speech, who said america, year a people who pull ourselves up by our bootstraps. herman cain is right, we are a country that does that and that's why we are such a great country, why we have people like steve jobs who create and invent and not handed their invention, not handed their ideas and not handed their wealth. we earn it in america. i think that message resonates with a lot more people even outside the gop primary. >> karen, when you've got computer programmers waiting tables and people who have advanced degrees driving taxi, i don't think this is that kind of economy. people are having trouble, they can't even get back in the door for a job to make their own way. >> talking points, let's not forget what helped create the internet. it's a complex web. herman cain will rip off something deeply in grained in the american public. >> he made his own money, a self-made man. >> we appreciate all three of you taking the time. >> thank you. >> now, as we try to talk about, who are the leaders that really will bring this country forward as everyone is looking for leadership, we wanted to talk to one. the major of san antonio, rising star in this democratic party, one of the youngest mayors of the country. i had the honor of meeting mayor castro not long ago and appreciate your taking the time to come on with us tonight. we know there's not a lot being done in washington right now, this big debate going on about the jobs bill but the campaign season seems to be the key issue for many there. just a few days, he referred to himself as the underdog. do you think he's still the underdog? >> it really does seem like president obama is the underdog right now. now, the conventional wisdom is an incumbent president has a lot of advantages. i'm sure that's true. i'm sure he recognizes as well with the economy the way that it is, that it's going to be a tough sledding ahead. fortunately, i think he is working very hard and he has a lot of time between now and next november, so i do believe that he's the underdog, but i also believe he's working hard at doing what america needs done and that he has time to make up the ground. >> mayor castro, you're a democrat in a red state. you work with republicans. you got to do it whether you want to do it and you do do it. i wonder if you were in washington right now, what is the one thing you would change to end the paralysis and the toxicity. >> you know, the one thing i would do, you can't do. one of the things mayors have an advantage on, they work in a mostly nonpartisan environment. we don't run as democrats or republicans. of course, i am a democrat but you don't have to distinguish yourself as that on the ballot or on the dias. that really lends to a lot of working across what would usually be party lines. that's not going to happen in d.c. what you can do is we can return over the civility that existed just 10, 15 years ago, a generation ago in washington. i believe that this republican congress has been the most partisan, the most obstructive that we've seen in the united states in a long time. it's hard to get anything done when folks are talking past each other. so if we could change one thing, obviously, it would be that. >> one thing thing i want to ask you about your governor, rick perry. obviously, he's getting a lot of attention around the country and being painted by his republican rivals as much too pro immigration, against defense guest workers for the dream act, paying illegals and getting instate tuition rates. this summer, you came out, it seemed, against governor perry on immigration. here you are. >> we have seen in this legislative session, easily the most anti-latino agenda in more than a generation. >> so you obviously disagree? >> i do. those words were carefully chosen. governor perry sat over a legislative session what he called the sanctuary cities legislation that didn't pass and english only legislation, what was called voter id even though there's been absolutely no evidence of voter fraud and a redistricting scheme in the state of texas, even though minorities represents 90% of the growth, during this last decade, there was only one minority opportunity district created out of four new congressional seats for texas. so absolutely, governor perry has a track record that leaves a lot to be desired when you talk about the interest of the hispanic community. there's no question in my mind about that. >> thanks so much, mayor castro. look forward to seeing you soon. "out front" next, today, at the michael jackson trial, the defense accuses the prosecution of sloppy investigating, a big development. amanda knox, back in america. her father talks to us "out front" how she's adjusting to her freedom. and in pakistan, our guest, supermodel christie turlington will be with us as well. ♪ [ cellphone rings ] cut! [ monica ] i have a small part in a big movie. i thought we'd be on location for 3 days, it's been 3 weeks. so, i used my citi simplicity card to pick up a few things. and i don't have to worry about a late fee. which is good... no! bigger! bigger! [ monica ] ...because i don't think we're going anywhere for a while. 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"the number" tonight, 1. that was steve jobs salary at apple, one dollar a year. in 2005, jobs gave an address to stanford graduates. you may have seen the clip it has been viewed $1.5 million in the past 24 hours. steve jobs talked about how thedropped out of reed college in 1972 because he felt it was costing his family too much. in 1972, it cost $4,020 a year to attend reed. today, it's one of the more expensive colleges, costing $53,850. he stayed in the west port dorm. we called them and they sent us a picture with professor richard crandall, an apple distinguished scientist. over the past 24 hours, we all heard about how steve jobs developed the mac, iphone, ipad. all hard to believe it came from the mind of one man but it did. so wow! it's the conrad murray trial and the defense went on the offense and claimed sloppiness. >> would you agree you made a substantial number of mistakes in your investigation of this case? >> no. >> ed rollins was in the courtroom and has the latest. it was a pretty big day for the defense today, ted. >> absolutely. they were able to poke holes in those early days they were selecting evidence in this case. two years later, things that are important at the time didn't seem important and didn't document them. bottom line, the defense used it to their advantage and will lose it at later day trying to create reasonable doubt. it was a good day for them. >> when he you're talking about how the jury is reacting, i'm curious. i guess it plays from not being in the courtroom, sort of csi style. >> yeah. the problem is it's not as exciting as csi. we're in the monotonous phase of this case. this jury has been focused. they've been sitting through it, tough stuff, a lot of science and it will work to the defense advantage because they will try to prove this on science. >> what's on tap tomorrow. hopefully no more yawns? >> tomorrow, we're going to finish up with the toxicology part of the case and then we may hear a two hour audiotape of murray talking to investigators two days after jackson died. this will be the only opportunity for murray to address the jury assuming he doesn't take the stand and tell his side of the story, should be extremely compelling, no yawns tomorrow. >> ed rowlan ted rowlands, we'l you tomorrow. let's talk about what this meant. a legal analyst and former prosecutor, sunny joins me. >> great to see you. >> a big day. >> huge day for the defense. they really needed it. there was dramatic show and tell where the prosecutor was putting out in front of the jury all the evidence recovered from michael jackson's bedroom. we're talking about a mini drugstore, vial upon vial of drugs. how do they rebut that? they use the sloppy evidence collection defense. we've seen that work, right? it worked in the amanda knox case, downfall in the o.j. simpson case. that's what they did and they did it very effectively in my view. when i was watching it, i saw seven mistakes she made and she declined to admit to that. i really think i saw shades of o.j. simpson and it was extremely extremely effective. >> first, you've done this a lot. is seven a lot? is this highly sloppy and the whole issue of destroying her notes, is that the norm or something you could read into that? >> when i was a prosecutor, i always told my investigators, don't you deare throw anything away. people want the underlying notes and don't want a cover up. she did do that in this case and did destroy her notes. i thought that was damaging. her own fingerprint was found one of the syringes. it was all about propofol. she was mistaken in terms of some pictures of propofol. i want to say this. i feel like the tide changed in this courtroom. you don't want that as a prosecutor, it should be in your favor in your case in chief. we heard about a tweet today, if the bag is not milky, my client is not guilty. it really has shades of that, if the gloves don't fit, you must acquit. people are really tweeting and facebooking and feel that the tide has changed in that courtroom. >> how much longer before this is done and into a verdict? >> there is a way to go. i always tell people, trials are marathon, not sprints. this is the first week, eight days, we have three to four more weeks to go. >> really? >> it's not looking great for the prosecution. big, big win for the defense today. huge. >> wow. thank you very much, and we appreciate it and ted rowlands covering that for us. still out front, republican candidate, mitt romney, takes a page out of the democratic playbook. this one is pretty neat. amanda knox' father going to be out here to talk about her first 48 hours in the united states. and russian prime minister, vladimir putin's fake jugs, seriously. nitoring system. it tracks every vehicle in their fleet. it cuts fuel use. koch: it enhances customer service. it's pretty amazing when people who loan you money also show you how to save it. not just money, knowledge. it's so much information, it's like i'm right there in every van in the entire fleet. good day overall. yeah, i'm good. come on in. let's go. wow, this is fantastic. ge capital. they're not just bankers. we're builders. they helped build our business. we're builders. for fastidious librarian emily skinner, each day was fueled by thorough preparation for events to come. well somewhere along the way, emily went right on living. but you see, with the help of her raymond james financial advisor, she had planned for every eventuality. ...which meant she continued to have the means to live on... ...even at the ripe old age of 187. life well planned. see what a raymond james advisor can do for you. hanretty. we do a lot of serious stories on this show but we also love to do some more, seriously. in august, while visiting a greek town, russian prime minister vladimir putin found two ancient artifacts while scuba diving. at this time, he had this to say about his discovery. the boys and i found them during the dive, jugs, they date back to the 6th century b.c. the locals gave me tips how to search. it seemed pretty incredible, but pretty straightforward. so why is this a story that makes us say, seriously? because it's fake. putin's press secretary has now admitted the whole thing was a setup. the jugs were actually found by archeologists during an expedition several weeks or days earlier and placed in six feet of water just so the prime minister would find them. mr. putin is known for his seriously heroic exploit, usually performed shirtless, sort of like matt mcconnahey. let's take a look at a few. putin the judo master, putin the patient, putin the horse whisperer, putin, the cowboy, and putin the soldier. all i can say is, how about putin on a shirt? seriously. all right. remembering steve jobs, what he meant to america and the world. we talk to amanda knox' father about her return to the united states. also, supermodel turned filmmaker and activist, christie turlington, our special guest tonight. he was an amazing man. this is for you. it's all paid off. ♪ and this is for emma. so where do you think she'll go? anywhere she wants. 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steve jobs changed the world and part of the reason he spent time away from home because he was changing the world, creating something that was a symbol for america. >> what's your favorite thing about america? >> i like the iphone. >> yeah? >> i want iphone. >> that was lily and adam, two kids we met this summer in shanghai. you see what they liked about america. apple is a loud reminder to any who travels the world a lot, america this is world's most powerful country. creating one of the first web browsers, netscape, investing and creating new tech jobs. twitter and four square. a lot of other ones, mark, it's great to see you. >> thanks. >> you spoke how he was a once in a century sort of person. he spoke at one point watching the jetsons when he grew up, wanting to make their products real. we have the jetsons up right now. looking at this video, i guess we'd call it face time from warner brothers, the created things people thought would be in the distant future. it's just once in a century. >> the amazing thing, not just that the products were so amazing and touched people's lives, that he did it over and over again. the number of people in our history of business who have been able to do that is a very small set. >> you watched him and admired him your whole core rear. if you were to say the neatest thing he did, what would you say it is? >> the biggest impact was the example he set for all the new entrepreneurs, we'll see over 1500 entrepreneurs start-ups at my firm. 99.5% say their hero is steve jobs and inspiration is long term impact. people thought apple was absolutely dead. people thought it was going to be impossible to turn that company around. it was 90 days away from bankruptcy when it came back and turned it into the world's most valuable company. nothing like that has ever been done and such an extraordinary achievement. >> one more thing you see, apple is in a way, embodiment of american exceptionalism, people admire, not a consumer thing, intelligence, creativity. you said you will see 1500 entrepreneurs in the next 12 months, a lot are americans? >> and a lot are immigrants that came to the united states to work in high-tech and start companies. >> and they think they think they can do that here, a great statement about our country. what are the next great things you are seeing, america will export around the world? >> the technology industry is a juggernaut, doing extraordinarily well. i think the entrepreneurs are getting better than before. we are seeing wave after wave of companies building on smartphones and tablets and building on everything steve did and applies it to health care and industry and things never before possible. it has spread and the opportunities of the industry have never been greater. >> mostly, is it things like a facebook, right, completely obviously changed the world, mark zuckerberg but something you access not like a physical device and steve did that. >> it's much harder these days to do physical devices. we have a few companies like that and use apple as inspiration. >> the thing about iphone and ipad is they are platforms for other companies to build on top of those. there will be 20 to 30 years to build on top of steve's ideas and amaze, a big part of his vision. >> before we go, what is one of the needest things you have seen. twitter and facebook and foursquare, you're at the center of everything coming out of the u.s. and silicon valley. what is one of the most inspirations you have seen? >> the company jawbone, make blue tooth head sets. they have a new product called smart bracelet, have all your as suspects of your health and well-being, blood pressure and it syncs to your phone and you can be part of a community of people trying to improve their health. i'm looking forward to it. i'm hoping the ceo will give me one so i can wear it. >> people are addicted, starting with lance armstrong, having a color band. >> it will be the new lance armstrong bracelet even better looking. and works with the i-phones. >> we have a jobs report tomorrow. what would you say when you look at silicon valley? is it still a place you would say jobs are being created, it's still an example of a positive story for america or not? >> silicon valley itself is on fire. so the people who have technical degrees in the valley in the technology business can get 10 or 30 job offers, all the people in our company are being called and asked to interview. people in california who don't have an engineering degree or experience in high-tech, it's the worst of times and unemployment is running high around the valley. we see both. >> marc, thanks and good to see you. amanda knox's father is with us. 48 hours back in seattle, what she's doing. we go inside a women's jail in pakistan and talk to christie turlington. i have a small part in a big movie. i thought we'd be on location for 3 days, it's been 3 weeks. so, i used my citi simplicity card to pick up a few things. and i don't have to worry about a late fee. which is good... no! bigger! bigger! 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>> reporter: erin, it appears not. there is nothing in this latest message from moammar gadhafi to give any indication where he is, calling on his loyalists to come out in protests on the street and not to be afraid. the national transitional council facing down gadhafi loyalists in two cities. they say they're making gains in some of those cities. the reality is, it seems know closer to knowing exactly where he is. >> amazing we still don't no. in detroit, a jury has been seated in the underwear bomber trial. deborah fereyick has been following it closely. i understand the bomber is not happy with the jurors who have been selected. why? >> erin, apparently he feels the jury does not accurately reflect the detroit community comprised of three men, nine women, two african-american, one southeast asian. he is a radicalized muslim and has fired his lawyers and will be representing himself and will likely be questioning passengers on board the plane he claimed to blow up. and the fbi director on capitol hill today saying the group does remain a significant threat to the u.s. >> thanks again. now to alabama, where the state's controversial new immigration law is hitting home. david mattingly is in atlanta. what are some of the consequences you're starting to see? >> erin, alabama farmers have been complaining for months they can't find enough work others to get their crops out of the field and they're saying they may on go out of business. critics of the alabama law fighting it in court are also saying that children are being hurt as well. these are children of undocumented family, uprooting these children, taking them out of school and moving out-of-state. in some cases, these are children who are u.s. citizen, born in the u.s. erin. >> less than 48 hours, that's how long amanda knox has been back on american soil, currently in an undisclosed location getting reacquainted with her family after spending four years in prison in italy. her father, curt knocks is here with us on the latest on her homecoming. thanks for joining us tonight. i know it's been a long couple of days and obviously a long, long time waiting for them. how is amanda doing? >> she's actually doing remarkably well. you know, it's almost like she hasn't missed a beat with the family. that's been really nice to see. >> how much -- have you had the opportunity to spend a lot of time with her? i know that obviously, everyone in the family probably wants to be with her. what has she been up to? >> well, you know, really, it's reconnecting with the family and, you know, she has a couple of twin cousins that were one year old when she was in -- first went to italy, and now they're 5. it's really neat to see her playing with them. it's like they never missed each other. it's really nice. >> i know. i was remembering the night we were waiting for the flight to come in and everyone in the media world, around the world obviously literally was watching. >> correct. >> when you came to seattle. she was clearly overwhelmed. she looked shell-shocked and amazing she was able to speak when she gave that impromptu comment to the press. >> right. >> how is she handling her adjustment? >> well, you know, as far as the media is concerned, she was really only exposed to that for about five minutes at a time, when ever she went into a hearing in the courtroom. i think it was definitely overwhelming at the press conference, you know, just the emotion of, you know, getting back to seattle and getting back on the ground, off the plane, you know, was a really big deal for her. she's actually kind of adjusting and, you know, kind of reconnecting with family and friends and sisters and so forth. it seems to really be working out very favorably right now and hopefully, it will continue that direction. >> it sure does. it seems almost obscenely early to even ask but so many are curious, does she plan on going back to school or has she thought at all about what she might do next? >> well, you know, with this whole si acircumstance and what experienced, i think at some point down the road, she will be some type of activist for wrongfully convicted people. she-devil do she definitely wants to finish her degree through the university of washington and a matter of when that gets to work out and how she continues to progress. >> we all hope she does. it's an amazing story. i want to ask you one more question, if i could. there was a report today her stepfather invited raefael, her old boyfriend to seattle. he knows what she went through and he was in prison as well. are they still communicating with each other at all? >> yeah. they actually sent mail back and forth while they were in prison in their incarceration. they have stayed in contact, and it is a true statement, you know, the family was invited to come to seattle. rafaelle is going through the same thing amanda is right now and really needs to get reconnected. i think at some point they may come over and that would be nice to see. >> it sure would. has she thought at all about reaching out to the kercher family? >> i think right now, it's a little bit premature. the kerchers still trying to work through the whole verdict and so forth. hopefully in the long run, they will see the truth is amanda and raffaele had nothing to do with the death of meredith. as they get this closure with this horrific crime and loss of their daughter, they'll be able to recognize they had nothing to do with it. >> thanks so much for taking the time to speak with us. i know your time right now more valuable than ever. we hope to hear from you again and good luck. >> thank you very much for having me. now, let's check in with anderson cooper. he has to look at what's ahead on "ac 360" hey, anderson. >> herman cain's willingness to speak his mind has made him a surging contender for the presidential nomination even though time and time his statements are in direct contradictions to the facts. you'll hear it on "keeping them honest." you hear about the bridge to nowhere? you will hear about another alaskan boondoggle, a bridge built in the middle of nowhere. >> i can't wade to see hat airport. thanks. >> we're going to be talking to christiane der son and taking you here. >> i'm standing outside a jail in pakistan. what's it like inside? 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this jail is one of the best in pakistan. there is a computer room and occasional yoga classes but the women were listless, spend most of their time sitting, and the tv is almost never on. only the children seem immune to boredom. yes, there are children here that have no memory other than jail. they stay here until 7, when muslim law allows them to be taken from their mother. this seems inhuman to the chairman for the national commission for status of women. >> they are not the facility and we heard only one answer. better conditions for them or for their children. don't make up for injustice. >> i'm hopeless here. so is my dream to get free from this place. >> we planned on showing our interview with christy turlington yesterday after the jail piece but yesterday the death of steve jobs' took its place. something as natural as having a baby is a death sentence. according to amnesty international, more than 3,000 women die during child birth. christy turlington is the humanitarian of "every women counts." she's an activist and now you see her face, she's known as a super model, too. thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> seeing the sick baby that we saw there in karachi, that's something that you've seen a lot of? >> i have. i've seen a lot of sick mothers and sick families. one of our focuses at looking at a mother is that if her health is not optimal, the entire community suffers. >> you've been to a lot of places where this is true. pakistan is just bone place. >> yes. this is a global tragedy. in my film we look at amnesty international has us ranked behind 50th behind 49 other countries. it's absolutely shocking. >> what are one or two reasons why women are dying during child birth? >> well, hemorrhaging is the main cause and they will bleed to death. often times they live far away from a facility and from a doctor who can perform a surgery or an intervention that is necessary. another one is obstructed labor. that's when a mother is maybe a young girl and she's not quite developed enough to deliver her own child and the child will die in her. and then she may die herself and experience a fistula. another is unsafe abortion. that continues to represent about 13% of all maternal deaths. >> places in india and china, there's a reference to have boys over girls, there's such a demand for abortions. >> there are. in most countries where it's not legal, it's still happening. it doesn't change the outcome or number of deaths or abortions. it just makes it less safe for more people to actually access services. >> what about here in the u.s.? because i think when you said we rank number 50, we'll probably shock a lot of people watching. it might shock a the lof people how few pregnant women have health care in this country. you have been talking about how pregnancy-related complications that nearly cause death, near misses in the u.s., are up 25% in the past 12 or so years. how is that possible? >> it is shocking. the situation here in the united states is different than it is in some of the developing countries that we've talked about. here, for example, one of the scenarios that makes it very dangerous for women to have children is having too many sa syrian sections. another is moms are having children later. that can put you at risk. diabetes, obesity, these are problems that you might not see in developing countries but here they are quite prevalent and it has added significantly to this number. >> you are pushing the maternal health bill back. you are trying to get review of maternal health in america. you are also a mom. how do you do all of those things. >> i had a complication from my first birth and that's what woke me up to these issues and understanding the global statics that exist. i feel that i'm in a place in my life where i'm able to contribute and bring who i am and who i've become and the good fortune that i have to be able to share the spotlight with an issue that is not talked about enough. so i can help other women. >> so you're running the new york city marathon, part of the goal to raise money for "every mother counts." >> we're an ad campaign and we're raising support for maternal health and we're trying to engage in new audiences to participate in this issue. i b
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