The need for change. So where does that leave the democrats . They have been pretty quiet during this, havent they . Can they counter the campaign of fear or is this caravan going to block their wave . We have a young leader in the democratic party, a possible trump challenger in 2020, hes here to take on this challenge. We also have Anthony Scaramucci here to tell you why the caravan works for the president and why calling out the president s lies does not work for his critics. Hopefully he can also help explain to us why its okay for a u. S. President to brag about being a nationalist. Trump sees it as a good word that hes bringing back. Seriously . Yes. So lets get after it. Well, look, the latest estimate, and who knows for sure, but its about 7,000 people are walking north through mexico. About 1,000 miles from our southern border right now. Trumps talking about troops at the border to stop them and his crowds are going crazy. So where are the democrats in all of this . Trump has found his best bulkhead against a blue wave in two weeks with the midterms, so whats the response . Lets talk about it with a man who says hes likely to run against trump, obamas former secretary of housing and urban development, julian castro. Its good to have you with us. Great to be with you, chris. You hear what im setting up. The idea of the caravan, we know why trump is running with it. Hes running with it because it encapsulates all his concerns about the immigration. The unknown, theyre coming this way, theyre going to break in. We dont know if theyre good or bad. And the democrats just want to let them all come right in. Whats the response . Well, the response is that actually this shows that donald trump has been a total failure when it comes to immigration. He told us, he told all of us, he and his attorney general, that if we would just abuse these families by taking away the little children from their parents, that it would deter more families from coming over. And look at how many folks are trying to come over. He was completely wrong. So the deterrent effect youre saying didnt work. Yeah, thats right. That was what he sold, right . So i would just say especially to all of those, i know, mothers and grandmothers who when they heard about that policy maybe, you know, it gave them some heartburn but they thought maybe we have to do this because it will deter some of these families, some of these other folks from trying to come over, now you see that he was completely wrong and he treated these families, these children in such an inhumane and cruel way and for nothing. In fact, hes been the biggest failure as a president on immigration that we can imagine. And so perhaps instead of buying what hes selling again, everybody should step back and realize that he doesnt have a plan. In addition to that, what were going to do is were going to continue to talk about the fact that Mitch Mcconnell and the republicans in congress right. Want to cut social security, they want to cut medicare so that they can continue to give tax cuts to big corporations and the wealthy. Right. In fact, in all of the things that the president lied about these last few days, hes told a lie about a, quote, middle class tax cut. Right, 10 . Folks that are watching saw yesterday, yeah, they saw that he had this moment yesterday where congressman brady was in the audience of the event in houston and he calls congressman brady out and says, hey, were going to do that middle class tax cut. Brady looks like he doesnt even know what in the world it looks like the first time he heard trump Say Something he didnt agree with. So heres the thing, i hear your argument. I hear the empathy argument. Heres the return argument. Hes got a lot of support behind him who fear whats coming among and with this caravan, and he points to congress and specifically the democrats and he says you want all of these people to come in. And that is a nonstarter for america. Whats the democrat response . I would say that theres nobody thats arguing that we should have open borders. There hasnt been a single democrat or republican for that matter in history that has said or has enacted a policy of open borders. In fact the only politician that ive seen on video arguing for open borders was Ronald Reagan in that debate clip when he was debating george bush in 1980 and argued basically for open borders. So but they say its a functional equivalent, that if you want unlimited family reunification, if you want no wall and if youre not going to stand up with trump and say this caravan must stop, they cannot come into this country, they cannot get asylum, they dont qualify, that you are for them. I say that the United States has a process in place to effectively deal with individuals who present themselves for asylum. That we are a big enough nation to deal with that issue, to do it in a way that is humane, that respects the fact that of course we have a border, but that is not cruel, not what donald trump has done. So we have spent the last 18 months listening to unprecedented lies from the president. He has made up things. Its lie after lie. True. What hes doing is now hes swinging for the fences. True. So if youre a voter out there, why in the world would you believe anything that comes out of this mans mouth . Its so convenient that this is going on 14 days before the midterms. Its definitely intentional but its effective because the caravan is real. The caravan is real, though. He lies about a lot of stuff about the caravan. He lies about it. Weve proven it on this show. He even admitted it a little bit today saying theres no proof. But the caravan is real. Hes also and we in the United States have dealt with this issue before and weve dealt with it effectively. There is a process in place to handle making other claims. And so what is new here . We can do this effectively. We have been able to do it effectively. This is just a scare tactic that donald trump is trying to pull out and this is why hes doing it, because he knows that people are tired of his lies, theyre tired of his failed policies, whether its on immigration or on the tax cuts that hes giving away to wealthy people like himself and his family. Theyre tired of a congress that is not holding him accountable for all of these scandals. They want a change. And this basically is him panicking, trying to do anything that he can knowing that if democrats take back the house, then hes actually going to have to be accountable to you, the American People, and he just cant take that idea. So hes going to make up lie after lie and try to do anything he can. How many times have you heard a politician when they have no other option, they lie. Thats what this guy is doing. I think people will see through it. One of the things that makes this president so interesting is even when he does have better options, he chooses to lie. But that caravan is real and its going to create a crisis of commitment on both sides to see who wants to do what. Thats why i tee it up and get your thoughts on it. Thank you very much, and please come again. Thanks a lot. All right. Now, look, the caravan is Fertile Ground for the president. It unwraps a lot of concerns that citizens have, and not just on the right. But then he muddies it up. He says im a nationalist. What does that mean . The president feigned ignorance when told it was a poor choice of a label for a u. S. President. I hope hes right, he doesnt know. But then he said the term should make a comeback here. I hope hes wrong about that too. Facts and history to the rescue, my friends, next. If you have psoriasis, Little Things can be a big deal. Thats why theres otezla. Otezla is not a cream. 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Bounty, the quicker picker upper. I am a nationalist. Its a word that hasnt been used too much. People use it, but im very proud. I think it should be brought back. Well, lets hope not, unless he intends to redefine it. It is loaded language, and not just because of the definition, but because of the application and identification. Now, when told that calling himself a nationalist wi will offend people, that seemed to trigger the president s double down deal, which may have led to the quote above. Again, lets hope, because the term since the Second World War overwhelmingly relays a desire to do terrible things to others in the name of power. In fairness, the president said he knew nothing about that take on the term. You know, they have a word, it sort of became oldfashioned. Its called a nationalist. And i say really . Were not supposed to use that word. You know what i am . Im a nationalist, okay. Im a nationalist. So again, maybe he just thought he was like pushing back on Political Correctness or something. I dont know. No one has ever accused the president of being an ardent student of history, so lets hope he is clueless on this, and lets remind all of us what the term means. Now, the best way to do this is to tell you what it does not mean. It doesnt mean patriotism, okay . George orwell, you all remember him, right . Not from the book 1984 he laid out the very significant difference between patriotism and nationalism in a famous essay. Patriotism is a devotion to a particular place or lifestyle that one loves. The key is, its defensive as a belief, culturally and militarily. Nationalism, however, is inseparable from the desire for power. It is power hungry and it is offensive, done with force often and almost always at the expense of others. Germany, japan. The world war ii era enemies, they were nationalist states. America fought them, of course, because their ideals were and are anathema to our idea of democracy. Antisemitism, these are nationalist movements. The last clues us into why david duke celebrated trump using the term saying this is why white people love him. As you know, this isnt the first time that trump has drawn the love of david duke, despite the president saying he has no desire to court such folk. Nevertheless, he has stoked enthusiasm of white nationalists time and again. Like with the confederate statues, and the good people being included in white power marches. Orwell makes another point. Every nationalist is capable of the most flagrant dishonesty, unshakeably certain of being in the right. Now take that for what its worth. Regardless of trumps knowledge of what hes playing with, he certainly is not ahead of the curve. There has been a resurgence in nationalist parties in europe for some time. Helped bring back brexit in 2016. Steve bannon, remember that name, he used to brand trump as having an economic nationalist agenda. So the word arguably could mean Different Things to different people, arguably, but heres what it is not. It is not patriotism. It is not populism, which is about supporting the interests of ordinary folks. One more thing it is not. It is not american. As i said, it is antithetical to the idea of this country as an example to the rest of the world. A beacon that can shine, not a darkness that can block out the light for others. So we know its loaded. We also know it can be coded language by the president , sending a message to his base, playing on the divisions in this country even more so. That is the stuff of a great debate, and were going to have it, next. A moment of joy. A source of inspiration. An act of kindness. An old friend. A new beginning. Some welcome relief. Or a cause for celebration. Whats inside . [laughter] possibilities. What we deliver by delivering. 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Thats not nationalism. Thats patriotism. Say that, say patriotism. Anyway, whether he sees nationalism for what it is and its just another way to say America First, its really loaded and it raises issues about yet another dog whistle just before the midterms. Is this a calculation or is this something less . Lets ask our great debaters. We have two great ones for you tonight, ana navarro and steve cortez. Ana, the president says i want to help other countries, i just love our country. That makes me a nationalist. Does that make it okay that hes not using the word the right way . Look, he also says puts it into context and says i shouldnt be saying that word and tell me i shouldnt be saying that word because he knows exactly what hes saying and of course its a calculated move. Because instead of talking about health care, instead of talking about the coverup that the u. S. Has been practically complicit in that the Trump Administration has been complicit in of the Jamal Khashoggi murder, we are talking about his use of words. And, you know, it is what weve heard from him time and time again. I mean if at this point you need to hear trump say that hes a nationalist, if the fact that he questioned a u. S. Judges ability to do his job because his parents were mexican immigrants, if the central park five, if calling places like el salvador and haiti and africa shitholes wasnt enough for you, then maybe you needed to hear him say this. As for me, this is redundancy. Maybe youre right. Steve, is that the straight truth . Trump is a nationalist with all that word carries. He is a nationalist, i am too but you dont understand what it does carry. When you try to carry america nationalism to nazis, youre incredibly mistaken. The nazis perverted nationalism was about racial purity, about blood and soil. America nationalism, which defeated naziism, america nationalism is about shared ideals. Its about a constitution. Thats not nationalism. It has nothing to do with race. Yes, it is. You dont get to decide nobody made you ceo of the english language. You know better than George Orwell . Do you know better than George Orwell . Do you know who that is . Yes, i do. Do you know better than he . Why does he see it as pernicious . Why does he see it as investing itself in ugly concepts that you disagree with . My guess is that he was talking at that time about specifically the nazis. What im telling you is that american nationalism, which has been a great force for good in this entire world, is about shared values. Its about our constitution. Its about our flag. Then why doesnt he just say patriotism. Sometimes its easier to describe something let me tell you why. Sometimes its easier to describe something by what it is not. What it is not and what it is the opposite of is globalism. What trump reacted against in our 2016 movement reacted defense was the globalism which was all too often taking control of america, political and media elites in places like davos and the United Nations were making decisions for our country rather than americans. Many of those same elites are quite comfortable with people from paris, france, than they are from paris, texas. So america nationalism this is what we see. Ana, it seems like hes making the case that you were making. Nationalism means exactly what i was afraid it meant. Listen, i think nationalism is a dog whistle for white nationalism. I think thats why donald trump said that there were people telling him he shouldnt say it. He knew exactly the message he was sending, and we see this, you know, from people who want to justify and enable donald trump over and over again. When we see him mocking a reporter, they say he was, i dont know, dancing the macarena. You know, when he pretends he doesnt hear the question about denouncing david duke, they pretend the ear piece wasnt on. When we hear him boasting about sexual assault, they pretend its locker room talk. This is what happens over and over and over again. But his base understands this clearly. He sent the message clearly. Thats why he said why else would he say im not supposed to use this word. He knows what he is doing. And what drives me crazy is that instead of talking about the red tide in florida, instead of talking about the murder and coverup that the u. S. Is allowing the Saudi Arabian government to per traperpetrate Jamal Khashoggis murder, after we saw the son forced to salute the royals there today, we are talking about this, another shiny object that trump throws and we have to react to because how dont you react when the president of the United States goes out and calls himself practically a racist. Heres why he said that hes told me shouldnt say it. Its a shame weve come to this point. But pride in country and pride in America First has been, unfortunately, regarded increasingly by many elites who believe more in transnationalism and Multi Lateralism than they do in america. Its become no, its become regarded as something retrograde. You think that were you think i just did what i did on the magic wall because im an elitist who doesnt like the idea of caring about your country . Thats why you think i did it, steve . The fact that you tried to ascribe america nationalism and compare it to nazi nationalism tells me that you dont understand it at all. Did i use the word nazi . I dont believe i did and theres a reason i didnt. But also let me tell you something. Theres no such thing as american nationalism. Theres just nationalism. There sure is. And its attached itself to different cultures. Let me give you a pro tip from politics. Dont use nationalism and try to redefine it. Find a new word, okay . Enlightened american nationalism is a great force for good for the world. Chris, why would they take that pro tip when dividing america, when fabricating culture wars, when making it them versus us has worked for donald trump in the past . Hes going back to his old playbook, man. Theres nothing new here. Hes ginning up the base and throwing out red meat. Bannon didnt even call it american nationalism, he called it economic nationalism because he was trying to parse a little carefully. I dont know where youre going with american nationalism. Thats an oxymoron. No, it is not. American nationalism is about individualism, its about free enterprise, about tolerance. Its about americas leadership in the world. And its about a country that is not based on race, thats not blood and soil, a country based on ideals. And its about also rejecting the idea that america is the superpower of the world should submit to the will of Multi Lateralism. Weve done that too much, whether its bad trade deals, unfair security deals, and its about america saying that the world is actually better off, by the way, when every country puts itself first, britain first, austria first, mexico first. Theres actually ironically more harmony, more prosperity and security for the world when we follow those paths of enlightened selfinterest rather than trying to rely on Multi Lateral structures but even when you put a positive spin on it, its always about through force putting your ideals on others whether they want it or not and subverting others. Thats what nationalism is. Its interesting, you know, you raise a point. George orwell said another aspect of nationalism, maybe youre right, maybe you guys are nationalists, is flagrant dishonesty, that they will flood the zone with dishonesty because theyre so sure that they can convince people of what they believe to be true. Maybe thats what were seeing with the president , ana, in this last stretch to the midterms. Fears about foreigners, fears about whats coming in the caravan, lies about whats happening in this country, about fraudulent voters, about riots that dont happen. I cant even remember all of them because youre flooding the zone. Im out of time. Ana, thank you very much. Protecting borders 5,000 lies. Youre not supposed to remember 5,000 lies. When you dont forget them, they wind up taking root. Protecting borders is sensible nationalism. No one said it wasnt. Anthony scaramucci wrote a book about why trump won, why the base loves him, and why calling out lies wont beat the president. Thats got test written all over it. Were happy for the new book. Lets have some robust dialogue with our friend, anthony. Explore more with a guaranteed 4pm checkout at over 1,000 fine hotels and resorts. Its another way weve got your back. The Platinum Card from american express. Dont live life without it. 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And he probably shouldnt continue to ramp up racially tinged rhetoric, because it just stokes fear and makes you look at the falsehoods a little differently, especially with him using this kind of word. My next guest, Anthony Scaramucci, former White House Communications director, understands the president s headtomouth relationship very well. Look at his new book, trump, the blue collar president. Clever, provocative. Congratulations on the book. Thank you. All the way at the back of the book we find chris cuomo after jesse the joke waters. Fox sells books, so thank you, fox. Hopefully well sell a few for you. The president is not really a nationalist. Hes an antagonist but hes not a nationalist. He says he is. Someone should really sit down and explain to him what the context of that is and someone should probably give him a summary of barbara tuckmans book and someone should explain to him that the anniversary of veterans day for that First World War is coming up and youre a statesman now and leader of the free world so dont use the word. Its just not the right word. By the way, the people that hes talking to, and im not trying to pick on anybody on the set like ana or anybody like that, but people that hes talking to are not racist. My family is not racist, your family is not racist. A lot of blue collar people support the president , so theyre not racist either. Hes doing it because he wanted to antagonize people. He understands that hes a great wrecking ball for that establishment. He knows what that ball hits into the establishment, it galvanizes his base and instinctively knows it will turn out more voters for him come the midterm elections. Hes not a nationalist. But maybe he is. Listening to steve cortes. Well, so we need to sit down and say so youre a nationalist, you want to get us into a war and try to prove that america is better than like Imperial Japan or nazi germany or the kaiser . Is that what you want to do . Thats not what he wants to do. What he wants to do is he wants American People to do very well on the world stage relative to other countries. Then why doesnt he say that . I dont know whats more scary, what youre saying or what cortes is saying. Youre saying he doesnt get it. But what if he does mean it. Someone should have a real honest conversation with him inside the white house and say listen, heres 150 years of the word nationalist. This is how the word has been used in the context of global history. They have been fighting a war in europe every 100 years. We put off a war after the congress of vienna. If you read the guns of august thats the tuckman book. The tuckman book, she explains what happened after all those veterans died off. You had a systemic rise of nationalism in pride and it touched off a war. Maybe he saw it in europe with brexit. It took a minor incident, mr. President , the assassination of the arch duke ferdinand. The europeans thought it was only going to last three months. Four and a half years later, 45 Million People later, we didnt recover from it. We might not have recovered from it yet. We went to war again in 39 and theres still remnants of the war. Look at what happened to the peace treaty in the middle east as the french and British Empire were pulling out of the middle east to fight the First World War. Anthony dont use the word, its a bad word. But hes using it anyway. So somebody has got to explain it to him. The new nationalism thats rising, maybe he does like it. Maybe thats why hes planting all this division here and trying to somehow purify what it is to be american. Maybe cortes is right and he does mean it. No. What i really think it is, is stick a finger in the eye of the elites. When the journalists are looking at his i guess the Washington Post says 5,000 or 6,000 lies and theyre like a proctor inside of a school, like a Catholic School that you or i went to and theyre calling you out on it, hes laughing at them because he knows that his base really doesnt care about that stuff. They dont care if he tell the truth . I dont think they care if he tells the truth. I think they care more about the substance of his policy and they care more about is he making america safer and giving me more economic opportunity. Since when does blue collar where you grew up and i grew up, since when do those people not care if somebody has integrity and tell the truth if hes the blue collar president as you say in the book . You dont like what im going to say but ill tell you what i think. Theres a toggle switch. When he goes to an event like that in houston, he turns on the toggle switch, thats the entertainment toggle switch and thats the galvanizing toggle switch. Then hes like my grandfather its galvanizing to say its okay to beat up a journalist . To do all these things that divide us . He gets laughs with it, he gets cheers with it. Hes in entertainment mode and hes galvanizing his base. When push comes to shove and theres a very, very serious situation going on, the saudi situation, something going on with the russians, he toggles back to something very different. Ive seen him in those situations. Ive seen him make very moderate, very temperate decisions, but i also see and understand what hes doing. Now, you guys may not like him, but youre not going to beat him. If you want to beat him, youre not going to beat him by sitting there as a proctor in the High School Cafeteria saying, okay, you just stole the guys lunch money. Thats not going to beat him. The way youve got to beat him is come up with a different strategy. Thats for the democrats to figure out or independent or another republican. For me if youre going to say that riots in cities and there arent, im going to call it out. Youre going to say millions of people voted fraudulently and its a lie, im going to call it out. The truth has to matter for something, anthony. It cant be an entertainment switch. I think the truth matters. If i was in the white house id be laughing, saying why are you doing that . I know why youre doing it but its hurt your integrity. Its going to be like chicken little, the sky is falling, the sky is falling and then people arent going to believe you when you need them to believe you. So theres like ten other things i heard this morning that he said that are factually y inaccurate. Imagine if youre the uk or germany and hear him saying hes a nationalist. Ive been running money for 30 years of my life. Something about the market, theres a wisdom to the crowd actually, right, because the market is super smart people making bets. They have priced in the president s personality and they have priced in the president s speaking style. And so the president can say cuckoo la la things and it doesnt matter to the market. To them. Whats happening right now is theres a battle between policy and personality. The people that dont like the president , they dont like the lying or the mistruths or gross exaggerations. Its the division, anthony, its the division. I understand that. So theyre going after him. The other people are looking at it going, okay, the economy is pretty good to very, very good. Except for wages. But go ahead. Okay, but the wall street journal reported, and ill send this to you, two saturdays ago that wages are up for the bottom 10 for the first time in 30 years. The wages are not growing the way that unemployment would suggest they should and the strength of the economy as they were back in 2001. Theyre about 2. 9 and should be at about 4 to be apples to apples. Thats because of automation and the influx of surplus of labor around the world, because of excess factory capacity. Heres the dirty secret politicians dont like telling people. You cannot fix these problems overnight. America needs a 25year plan to fix its employment situation, to right size its infrastructure, to even out its education. The educational system in the country is totally uneven. Theres nobody on cable news, theres no Public Servant out there that says, okay, heres a 25year plan for infrastructure, a 25year plan for education. No one is doing that. You know why . Because theyre staying in power by doing this. Thats right. Because theyre turning off a lot of very smart people. They may watch you for entertainment but says this blows, im not going to go vote. So they exit the system and that keeps these extremes in power, chris. If i was more extreme, id be more entertaining and more people would watch but i dont think thats the way to do the job. Trump, the blue collar president is Anthony Scaramuccis new book. It is an interesting read to figure out how a president won over a group many argue he never should have. He hijacked the democratic base. Read the book if youre a democrat and understand how he did it. Thank you very much. If youre a republican, youre going to love it because he did do that. And you did it, you know. Theyll love it just because its you. And chris is in the back, very small font. Very small. Larger for other people but very small for chris. How about this topic. When you thought it couldnt get any heavier, talk about Halloween Costumes, how can that go wrong . This moment happened. I dont even know why im smiling, i almost threw up my breakfast when i heard about this. 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Book now at choicehotels. Com so, the answer to the question of how a segment on Halloween Costumes can go wrong is when you make it about black face being okay. Heres nbcs megyn kelly. What is racist, because you do get in trouble if you are a white person who puts on blackface on halloween or a black person who puts on white face for halloween. Yes. Back when i was a kid that was okay as long as you were dressing up as a character. There was a controversy on the real housewives of new york as lu ann. He distressed as diana ross and made her skin look darker than it really is. People said that was racist. I felt like who doesnt love diana ross. She wants to look like diana ross for one day. I dont know how that got racist on halloween. White people putting on blackface and black people putting on white face are very Different Things. Kelly issued an apology to coworkers saying i realize now that such behavior is indeed wrong, and im sorry. The history of blackface in our culture is abhorrent, the wounds too deep. Ive never been a pc kind of person, but i understand that we need to be more sensitive in this day and age. D. Lemon. How much time do you have, chris . I dont know, but youre eating into it with your silence right now. Because ive got so much going on here. Listen, i know megyn. You know, we do this sometimes you say stupid things when youre live. But im just going to be honest. Megyn is 47 years old, shes our age. There has never been a time in that in her 47 years that blackface has been acceptable. There were all white people on that panel. There were no africanamericans, no people of color there to say, hey, megyn, not cool. I wonder how much diversity she has on her staff . I dont know, im not there. But i would imagine theres not a lot because people would have informed her. This is what people of the larger culture dont understand about racism and about privilege. I dont know of many black people that are trying to be white people for halloween or dressing up as white people but i know a lot of people who do it as black people. She mentioned luanne who i know. I know luanne feels bad about the diana ross thing. She put on a wig that looked like marge simpson, overcharacterizing diana ross. And there was no need even in that to put on dark face. Megyn is not aware of the history of this country. Its not a oneoff. Remember the whole black santa claus thing, which was offensive. I think people really need to educate themselves about this particular issue, and we need to realize in this culture that some people do have a privilege where they dont have to think about it. It does not exist to them. Now, let me be honest. In this business, im the only person who looks like me in prime time. Im a unicorn. Megyn has taken over for what used to be an africanamerican woman and a black man who had that slot and who actually did better than her in the ratings, and who in this situation would have said it is never okay to do blackface. There would not be this controversy. So diversity is key. The people who are hiring people like megyn, like me and you should realize how important diversity is, how important it is for their talent to know the history of this country and not say stupid things like, its okay. Its always been okay for people to dress up as long as theyre honoring and memorializing people. Its never okay. I hear you on t. I dont disagree with anything you said. Its all spoton, especially about the hiring and the atmosphere that you work in and having people around who can help you understand things that maybe you dont. I dont know thats the explanation here, especially when this is something thats bothered her in the past. She talked about santas white, you know. And jesus. She has her own way of processing this. Shes a very, very intelligent person by the way. This is the thing that got me. I was like, okay, fine. I read her thing. I have never been a pc kind of person but i understand we need to be more sensitive in this day and age. Politically correct does not mean you can be racist or say racist things. Thats an excuse for people who dont understand the nuances of racism, and when they treat people of color one dimensionally. To say that there is there is no need to say we have to be pc. Pc is something completely different than not understanding race and racism. True. And the other thing about being sensitive in this day and age, what does that have to do with the price of tea . What does that have to do with anything . Right. Especially if you are one of the highest paid people in this if not the highest. The highest paid. You got to know. Right. Yeah. Look, i think its a little bit of fox affect to be honest with you. This all used to be okay where she used to be. Its an echo chamber. When you live in an echo chamer about, you dont know anything beyond that. So educate yourself. Learn that maybe you are in a position of privilege and you have not been aware of it for 47 years. Thats all im saying. Eric holder is going to be on the show tonight. Strong choice. Hes going to talk about whether he regrets what he said about kicking them. Im going to watch that. All right . D. Lemon, thank you for the education. Thank you. Bresappreciate it. Racist robocalls are going around in florida, targeting the first black nominee for governor there, there in florida. We must be better than this. Im going to make an argument to you about whats going on. Weve been talking about a lot of it tonight on different levels. The question is what do you do about it . Argument next. How can we say when you book direct at choicehotels. Com you always get the lowest price on our rooms, guaranteed . 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Is promise if you make me governor, everybody peoples what be ailing will get all the chicken feets they need. In 2018 . Cable filled with hot breath and hateful rhetoric. People calling the police on their black neighbors for no good reason. And now the president is saying hes bringing back the word nationalist because thats what he is. I dont know if its scarier he really doesnt know what the word means or if he does and insists that thats what hes about. All of it is part of same thing. While you may see this as just the fringe, if you look at it closely the way we do, each layer is getting a little closer to normative. And regardless of whether you want to see it as an aberration or the new normal, its a flashing red sign. We need to rethink how we all are because this is about all of us. I dont do that, you say. I get it. But on a butterflywing level, the contagion covers many of us. Think about it. The bad tweets that lead to the harsh conversations that often end in the go whatever yourself dismissal of another troll. But many are not trolls. Theyre not bots. Then come the likeminded organizer, people coordinating their attacks, the political agendas to harness, and the steady separation from those you dont agree with, the demonizing of differences and those who are different. How many of you said to me, dont have her or him on your show anymore. I dont want to hear from them. That troubles me more than, cuomo, you suck, because at least those people, sweet as they are, are still watching. Im always saying the same thing. You have to stay open. This isnt some kumbaya. Thats not who i am. Its been honing your arguments, listening to find your advantage over those you disagree with, and much, much more importantly, yes. You stay open because you have to stay connected. Yes, with the people who drive you nuts. Theyre still fellow citizens, and often at some point, were going to have to come together on something. Even if you dont consider yourself part of the problem, you are part of the solution. Roll your eyes, but youve got to be the change in your own way. Nothings going to change otherwise. Its not going to happen from the top. Now, im not talking about surrender or acquiescence or even softness, all right . Im talking about practicality and strategy and, most of all, decency. Insights over insults. I told my kid just tonight, we were arguing. I said, you lost as soon as you came at me personally because that means you wound up having nothing else good to say. Its easy to say that. It is hard to do, i know. But you cant become what it is you say you disrespect. Not as a question of morality. Again, practicality. It wont work. Look around you. It isnt working. Why . You dont stop anger by getting angry at it. You beat lies by telling the truth again and again and again. And you beat anger by giving it nothing to feed on. It will starve. Weve seen it time and again. And then youve got the chance. Youve got a chance to feed the same people, the same hunger, with something else. We will see what is offered up as sustenance because the need, the appetite, is clearly great. Thank you for watching. Cnn tonight with don lemon starts right now. Weve had this discussion before. The people who tell you, why do you have that person on your show . I dont think theyre always necessarily wrong, chris. I know you dont. I dont think theyre wrong because i think that, number one, we have duties as journalists not to be fonts or platforms for propaganda. True. And if you have someone this is i struggle with this. As a matter of fact, ive been talking to coworkers about it. I struggle with how much attention, how much time to give to lies and inaccurate information because people will believe that just by