Chris Cuomo asks the tough questions to newsmakers in Washington and around the world. Thats something that i think is very foreign. I guarantee it, chris, even though he koops, hes smart enough, Michael Cohen, not to say he was present at any meeting in which the president said i have an arrangement with the russians. Witnesses dont do that. Why not . If the question of collusion is on a scale one to ten, hell move it up to seven. Hell say, well, the president says he has a good arrangement with the russians but hell never say that the president said that he had a Collusive Arrangement with the russians. But thats t not the standard. What if he were present for a meeting where somebody gave the president information about something the that was going to happen that was a 23u7ks of the hacking and the president therefore knew about it at a time when he said he did not know about it . What if the president that would be punishable. Meetings that he said he doesnt know about and Michael Cohen can say i know he knew, i was there when he found out. Doesnt that matter . Thats punishable, if he relies on information that he knows was illegally on taped, that, he cant escape. If someone gives information to a member of his staff and doesnt say its the product of an illegal hacking, theres nothing wrong with that. Right, but thats a big if. What is wrong what is wrong well, i dont know if theyre going to be able to prove that he knew the information he received was illegally on taped. I question whether theyre going to be able to gone that he had knowledge, that this was from stolen information. Let me ask you one more thing and ill let you go and i appreciate your time. The idea of why the new legal team for the president doesnt
want him to do an interview. What is your level of confidence that yes, yes. That donald trump could sit across from these types of investigators and tell the truth the whole time . 6. Well, ill throw it back to you. What is the chance that the prosecutor is not engaged will not be engaged in a perjury trap. Im surprised to hear you say that as a former prosecutor. That is yes. Suggesting that prosecutors are up to no good, that theyre for a form of entrap jchlt. You know the president has plenty he can talk to the men and women about that are of a Fact Finding Nature this probe. As a pressuosecutor i can te you when you cant make a case, well consider the possibility of a Perjury Strap or a conspiracy or live testimony. They can only get you if you lie to them. No, thats not true. Deputy. His chief deputy is a specialist in Perjury Traps and conspiracy charges, and i worry whether he can safely sit across the table from people who are interested in getting information or people who are interested in getting him. I think the latter is what were involved in. Jay goldberg it would be too risky. Jay goldberg, i appreciate your time and making the case to my audience. Thank you, sir. And thank you, chris. All right. So there you hear his friend, self described and counsellor for many, many years saying, yeah, hes not telling the truth about what he knew about the payments. We now have to focus on the bigger question. Think about that. His friend, counsel who knows him thinks theres an issue about him telling the truth. Hes concerned that the prosecutors would be out to get him. Think about that. Now, what does this tell us . If the president is going to say this now, hes going to argue in the alternative. Even if i did know about the scheme to the pay off my own peck dillos. I did nothing wrong. What is the Alternative Theory . Obama is the Real Campaign criminal. Many are covering these as competing claims. Not here. No False Equivalency allowed. Facts ahead. Peck just call geico. Geico helps with Homeowners Insurance . Good to know. Feeling better . I love you, pookie bear. [parrot 1] i love you, pookie bear. [parrot 2] i love you, pookie bear [parrots] i love you, pookie bear get to know geico and see how easy homeowners and renters insurance can be. Deaf. All right. We knew President Trump wouldnt admit to what his former lawyer Michael Cohen made clear in court that trump Directed Cohen to commit crimes. We knew he was going to go bad personally. Theres another line of attack that may be his weakest yet. Remember, we played you the tape on this show that made it clear that trump was aware of what cohen was doing before he did it. So and hes lieings about that. The new line is this obama did the same thing. In fact, he likes this excuse so much, so nice, he used it twice. Once in a tweet and then this. They didnt come out of the campaign. They came from me. I tweeted about it. I put i dont know if you now, but we tweeted about the
payments. But they didnt come out of campaign. In fact, my first question when i heard about it was did they come out of the campaign because that could be a little dooiszy. They didnt come out of the c campaign. If you look at president obama he had a Massive Campaign violation but he had a different Attorney General and they viewed it a lot different. Here we dont just listen. We test. First off, the only thing that trump is right about is that there was a violation involving the obama campaign, a big one. You got to remember, every conspiracy theory, like every lie, theyre fed by a kernel of truth. Obama didnt do anything personally. His campaign, ok, obama for america, they did plenty. They failed to report 1300 contributions within 48 hours as required by law. And that campaign received some contributions that also exceeded allowable limits. In total, the contributions amounted about 2 million. So the Campaign Paid a percentage. 375,000 in fines. It sounds like a lot and it was, but relatively, in the words of one election attorney, obama was the first billion president ial campaign, so proportionally, iefltsz not that out of line. Regardless, it was still wrong. Trump and anyone else who says this type of violation is nothing needs to remember how little control we have on Campaign Contributions in the first place. So reporting counts. Now, what happened here in the cohen case is a different animal entirely. This has nothing to do with the Campaign Apparatus and everything to do with trump, his
lawyer and their sneaky scheme to avoid more damage too his campaign. Cohen admitted to making illegal Campaign Contributions for the principal. 500 of influenof sflungs an election. The president s argument isnt true. How do we know . Titles 52 of the u. S. Code. Compare that to obamas campaign, its like comparing apples to elephants. The obama matter was settled as a civil matter with the fec. Cohen is going to prison for an intentionally committed crime. If the president wants to compare to obamas, trump got in
trouble in 2016 for improperly handling denations. About 11,000 donations were made, including donations that exceeded the allowable limit in a year. So not only did obama not only do what trump did but yes, trump did do what obamas campaign did. Now, cohen paying for his pieck dillos he said i know a Little Something but i didnt know anything before. I only knew after. Thats what hes saying today. We know about the tape. The tape that we got here on this show that makes it clear that a at a time before cohen made a payment, trump clearly knew and was directing him. Listen i needny for the transfer of all of that info regarding our friend david, you know, so that im im going to do that right away. Ive actually ive spoken to alan about how to set the whole thing up with funding [inaudible]. Yes. Its all the stuff. All the stuff. Here you never know what hes corrects. Some im all over that. I spoke to allen able to. When it comes time for the machi machining. No, no, no. I got no, no, no. That was before he made the payment. Trump knows whats going on. Hes lying to your face when he says he didnt know until after. Hes saying, you know what, forget about what i said about what i nigh or when. I paid all of it back, so first of all, we dont know that for a fact. Lets assume it and give the president the benefit of the doubt. I paid all of it back so no one contributed anything for me. I call this buckley versus vallejo for you scotus scholars. Money is seen as political speech. But even if that were true, the president still didnt report it anywhere and that alone would trigger the statute and put him in violation of the law. He says no one gets prosecuted for that. Tell john edwards. He was tried and prosecuted and acquitted but after a full trial. Then today trumps Sara Sarnders took it a step further. Not only did trump do nothing
illegal as cohen accuses, but l. J. To this. Not going to play it four. She said that he did nothing wrong. Ok. So lying to you is not wrong . Lying repeated i about criminal conduct is not wrong . I showed you the facts. You can conclude quickly that this trumpian bar of no crime means i did nothing wrong. That, my friends, is wrong. So what is going to happen with all this the democrats are in a interesting way. Theyre not talking impeachment. They say no, no, no were not ready for that. Theyre using it as a way to stop Trumps Supreme Court pick. Is that going to work here . Well talk about that and see if the Cohen Manafort developments are a game changer the way Chuck Schumer says they are. What do you say . A great debate for you next. Your Brain Changes as you get older. But prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient originally discovered. In jellyfish. In clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve shortterm memory. Prevagen. Healthier brain. Better life. Let your perfect drive come together during the final days of the Lincoln Summer Invitation event get 0 apr on select 2018 lincoln models plus One Thousand Dollars bonus cash. I knew at that exact moment. Im beating this. My main focus was to find a team of doctors. Its not just picking a surgeon, its picking the care team
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take it on. Stooervegs lets see if we can go 22 on the candor scale. In terms of whether or not hes lying, yeah, hes lying and the public has a right to be upset about that. Will you own that reality as well . Listen. We have to be careful about the facts. When you keep playing that tape youre misrepresenting the facts. That tape is talking about payments to Karen Mcdougal made by somebody else. The fact of the matter is neither trump nor cohen ever paid them. Youre conflating two stories. The Stormy Daniels payment is totally different from the Karen Mcdougal tape. Trump with honestly say because there was no payment. I give you that they were different payments. Ive always represented that was about Karen Mcdougal and david
pecker. You better check your facts. However, the point remains the same, steve, ill toss it to you trump didnt pay pecker. He knew about what was being done on his behalf. Thats why Michael Cohen had to plead guilty to two counts. They were discussing maying for something and they never paid for it facts are important. They discussed paying. You are making a distinction that makes no difference in the analysis. It makes all the difference in the world. I can talk about pieing a house. Did you know he considered buying a house or not . Did you know or not . Thats not material. It absolutely is material. Jennifer, grands home, whats
your case . Really, steve, bless your heart for trying to get trump out of this soup, but he snu that he was paying off women. Thats the bottom line. And its a good thing that weve got evidence. Other than Michael Cohens testimony. Theres the tape and who knows what other evidence that the Mueller Investigation has thats Documentary Evidence or Testimonial Evidence from other people. What is alan say iing . Trump did not know the hit is totally blocked by the tape. Theres still the report withing requirement in the statute. Hold on. Chris, thats not true. You have again, we have to be
careful. Election law is clear. The phrase thats used in election law, if it would have been made ney but Michael Cohen said he made it to help the campaign. Michael cohen, the felon and dishonest rat said that. Were going to take his word as gospel truth . He agrees with you about michael coen. He believes hes a good man, an honorable man. Michael cohen was facing decades in prison. He had committed Serious Violationsful the prosecutors were able to squeeze him and put him in a corner. Im not saying that theyre going after the president for it. I dont think they can. Not just in substance but in
style. I dont think they can do it with him in office. I think thats why they didnt even use his name in the information. It goes to lying. I give it to jay goldberg for being honest about that. The president s not telling the truth. Now i have the argument. Jennifer, i keep having this argument. I dont understand using it as leverage onned the kavanagh nomination. During the clinton situation you had Stephen Breyer come up and he went right through. He wasnt used as a bargaining chip. Why use it as one now . This particular nominee has an unusually expansive view of executive power. He was selected by donald trump because donald trump picks people who are going to help him. They went through his entire record and they know that this particular nominee believes t t
that. So this particular nominee was sloeblgted by donald trump because donald trump knew the Muller Investigation was coming. This nominee does not like independent n counsels. So you got to look at all of it in that context, that he was picked out by trump for the purpose of protecting himself because he knew that A Mueller Potential Case was going to come to the Supreme Court. Steve cortez, im short on time but in the interest of fairness, give me a sentence. If you want to stop the Supreme Court nominee and hurt the president , the democrats have done neither. Thats the way if you want to stop a nominee, not by making up wild accusations from Michael Cohen. No, no. You got to look at his written rorltd. We got to look at all of it. Jennifers right about that. I got to leave it there. Theyre going to have the hearings. Theyre going to be testing it. Steve, jennifer, thank you. Thanks. All right. He has information that he can share with people like the new York Attorney general who may be looking at the trump foundation, like the mueller probe, maybe information on what the president may have known about the fruits of russian hacking. Ok . Were going to see what a former top spy thinks about the potential here. Former cia director michael hayden. Next. With tripadvisor, finding your Perfect Hotel at the lowest price. Is as easy as dates, deals, done simply enter your destination and dates. And see all the hotels for your stay tripadvisor searches over 200 booking sites. To show you the lowest prices. So you can get the best deal on the right hotel for you. Dates, deals, done tripadvisor. Visit tripadvisor. Com sharper vision, without limits. Days that go from sun up to sun down. A whole world in all its beauty. Three Innovative Technologies for our ultimate in vision, clarity, and protection. Together in a single lens. Essilor ultimate lens package. Purchase the Essilor Ultimate Lens Package and get a second pair of qualifying lenses free. Essilor. Better sight. Better life. Is a complete liar now . Our next guest says the real witch hunt is h. Good to see you, sir. Hey, chris. So the simple question is what now . Because of these verdicts and this Plea Agreement with what does this mean . How does this advance the ball at all . It demonstrates the ability of american institutions. Lt i want to underscore that. Despite pressure from the white house, despite language from the president. And some of his surrogates. What the youve got is a relentless series of steps by institutions of the american government. The Southern District of new york. And they appear to be peeling this back one layer at a time that we find the truth. I was struck listening to other parts of the show and some of
the things that the president s been saying. It reminded me of an incident 30 years ago when i was the military atta military man. I said to him you got to tell me, what is the meaning of truth to you . And he came back to me truth, michael, is what serves the party. I think were seeing a dose of that here in North America that i never expected so see. Look. You just serd his self described friend, his counselor of over 20 years, someone he called on how to deal with the cohen situation, yes, hes not telling the truth. But its not a crime. Its just an afterthought for people who seem to know the president that yeah, hes lying. Thats what it is. Thats a new thing for us to deal with. No. It really is. Thats why i was reminiscing an this experience in a communist country. I saw it there. I never expected to see it here. Now were talking about moving forward on the investigation with Michael Cohen and ive heard several guests point out you cant rely on what he says. Because hes under do you remember relation. The government can coerce him. Without trying to draw too close a parallel here, chris, we used to hold some folks at cia, too, that we were trying to pressure to get people to tell us the truth. We could use that knowledge then to keep them off balance, to press them and make them tell us more than they would otherwise be willing to tell us. I think when it comes to michael
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up as as a Dividing Line is also an ugly situation. My heart goes out to Mollie Tibbets and her family. It should not have happened. It is awful, chris. But it is you know, we can want to fix our Immigration System without dee monizing immigrants or Illegal Immigrants. I want to say that this is difficulty national and any of science find that immigrants are much less likely to commit crimes than natives and a 2017 stoud found Illegal Immigrants are 69 less likely to be incarcerated than native americans. We have problems with crime and thats committed by people who were born here, people who are here illegally. That should not happen. Unfortunately there are people who commit crimes who are here
illegally. We should not use them as political paunz and not use the facts. We can want our people to come here legally, we should want them to stay within the law as we would want our president to stay within the law as well and to tell the truth. We can want all those things taimt. True. One doesnt preclude the other. What have you got coming up . Dan rather to talk about everything thats happening now. He lived it. He lived watergate. Yep. Im going to ask him History Doesnt Repeat itself and it rhymes. Dan is a legend to me. He used to sit in this chair through some of the most tumultuous times. See you in a minute. Were going to talk about this. Im going to make it part of the Closing Argument because theres no, sir question that mollie
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tibbets. The political pitch follows soon there after. If youre not ready to keel with his hostility, you are disrespecting those families and putting others in danger. I dont accept that. I do agree, of course, these murders are horrible. They do show a good reason to prevent illegal entry because, yes, but for the killers being here illegally, that is the fact and these two young people would be alive if not for that fact. So would a lot of people who are not young white women who have been murdered by Illegal Immigrants. The idea that murder is a likely consequence of illegal entrance is bogus. It is a flawed premise and it is an eggly premise. Why . There is no good data that
showed illegal entrants are more of a threat to hurt you. In fact, the data shows they are less of one. Now, trump pulled the number out. 63,000 victims since 9 11. A lot of you echo it to me. It is b. S. It is as exaggerated as the larger point that his folks want to make, demonizing people for getting here the easy way and taking a short consult. That is what causes illegal entrance most of the time. I wonder if the sympathizers would be as full throated if the victims were not young white women. If that were the case, would we have seen this today . Mollie tiblts, an incredible young woman is now permanently separated from her family. A person came in from mexico illegally and killed her. We need the Immigration Laws changed. Permanently separated. As obvious as it is yao. He cares about Mollie Tibbets more than people who dont believe in separating kids from parents or treating undocumented immigrants like dogs . Please. What that tells you is that even in this moment talking about Mollie Tibbets, he still has to play the political advantage. Its proof he still doesnt want to own what he did to those kids and many are still waiting to get back to their parents. We have not forgotten. The president still doesnt think its wrong and he thinks grands standing. These are the same people that
tamp down police use of force cases and say those cases are being politicized. They mitigate the facts. They play the coverage close to their vest. Then they put families like the tiblts, the stipelys, after the rich family in the glare. Seth rich. Remember him . His death, his murder all about Democrat Deviousness until it wasnt. Until the family said stop doing this to us. There is no proof of what youre saying. Go away. And once the political intrigue ran out of the story, did you see dogged coverage by the same people about what happened to seth rich . These victims matter, all of them because they were stolen from this world and they will never be replaced by their family. But the argument is this. The murders married, period. Not because of who committed them. Thats my closing. Thank you for watching