Country, and theyre watching this guy, and theyre shaking their head, and theyre feeling insulted. Theyre feeling humiliated. They get added to the, you know, just the multitudes out there who feel people dont gf a damn about that. Rip off my mask. Look how strong. Oh, i guess her husband wasnt, right . Or maybe they didnt have access to everything he had and abused. But thats why i love you, brother. You bring people on like that. You tell their story, and it says everything. Frankly to me, it says everything about you too. Anderson, i love you. Have a good night. Thanks, chris. A many chris cuomo. Welcome to prime time. But more accurately, welcome to the land of confusion. Is there anything more to say really . Do any of you not get whats happening . I know you go to your respective partisan corners, especially at this time of night, for succor, succuccor succor, notsucker. I dont judge. Tell me why im right to hate him. Tell me why im right to love him. Does anybody really need to tell you anything . There he is, hair blown majestically, reshooting the scene for his own ad. I hold rallies, and i tell you to ignore masks, and i rip mine off as i vanquish the virus because i am a leader. Fear not, covid. What a bunch of bullshit. Going back to the white house. If you want to know the reality, the truth, okay . The virus is the truth. The virus doesnt care about left and right. The virus does whats reasonable. You give me a chance, ill spread. You keep away from me, you dont give me a chance, i run out of hosts. I die. Im the truth. If youre doing the right thing, you dont see me that much. If youre doing the wrong thing, you do. The white house is literally what we fear the most, a rash of contagion called a cluster. You want a metaphor, youve got a president who is a drunk driver who is pushing others to drive drunk. Thats what he is. Do i want to see a drunk driver get hurt . Hell no. But i worry more about the people he hits. And i love seeing him do that victory lap in that limo. Thank god. You know why . I knew that meant he has to be okay. Not the people in there with him, ppe up to their nose. Now theyve got to quarantine. He doesnt gufive a damn. And now i dont have to feign any extra measure of compassion because he went out there. Whatever happens now is on him. The white house is a cluster. He returned to a cluster and took his mask off. That is covidocy. He is a covidiot. Youre disrespecting the president. No. He disrespected the presidency. Outrage is the only emotion to have. He does and tells you to do everything the experts say not to even after getting the virus. See, thats the truth. There is no change. He didnt beat the hes not better than anybody who didnt beat the virus or who takes time. Hes not stronger than i am. He got every advantage. He has use of all the things he denies the rest of us. Hes supposed to get tested every day with a test you can turn around quickly and know whats going on. Did he do them . Did he even use whats at his disposal that the rest of us are desperate for, that our kids need in our classes that he doesnt even discuss . No is the answer. Why . Show us the results. His doctor, i dont want to go backwards. Get out of the way. Show us the results. Show us that he tested negative on monday and tuesday and wednesday because ill tell you something. Im no doctor. Were about to have tony fauci on in the next block. He is. You think you get sick the next day after being exposed to somebody . He would have to be so immunecompromised that hed never get out of the hospital, god forbid. So he was sick before. When . Why would they tell us . Why would they tell us . Its mendacity machine. Kayleigh ill never lie mcenany. I tell you, i love you, honestly. Anytime somebody says honestly to you, you know they had an inclination to not be honest. But you saw him tonight. Highly contagious. He has to be. It is the science of it. I know he was in the hospital. I know he had 24hour care. I know they gave him two experimental treatments, but it was no big deal. What if that young womans husband had access to what he had access to . What about if everybodys husband and wife and kid and son and daughter and aunt and uncle and grandparents had access to that kind of care or just tests to let them know what was going on and give them a chance to fight . How different would our situation be . The virus is the truth, and this president is a walking lie or, as my Brilliant Writer says, lieability. Good one, susan. Why is he saluting . A salute is a gesture of respect. Literally every aspect of his pandemic experience and response exhibits disrespect. I am not upset because im surprised. I am not upset because i am judging. Im upset because so many of you contact me sick and desperate and scared, and i can do nothing. And this man who can do everything does nothing. It is killing me that were in this place. It is. It is killing me. I feel so bad for so many of you, long haulers who are forgotten, the people who called up, the floods of people all over the country on my radio show and my email. He says it affects nobody. What about my fill in the blank loved one. I need the testing. If i could only get tests. My kid, my son, my daughter, they cant learn at home. They have to get back to school. If only they could get the tests. Contact tracing. If they could only theyre not even Contact Tracing in the white house. They left their own people for dead. I know it. Ive spoken to five of them. Who . None your damn business. Its not the point. The only reason they want the information out there is so they can destroy those people. And im done with letting them destroy people. Me . Bring it. But enough. Savaging everybody so he can remain exalted. Even after getting covid, he insisted on not getting the reality. Its not that bad. Im feeling pretty good. I wonder why. Maybe its that oxygen they kept giving you that you lied about. The experimental treatments that nobody else is going to have access to for who knows how long. Miracle drugs were working on. Regeneron isnt you. Its a private company. Imagine if you had capitalized regeneron. Imagine if you had used the emergency defense production act and said, what do you need, len, the head of the company that you saw on the show the other night. Then maybe, maybe. Yeah, maybe. Remdesivir, you got to be in the hospital for that. Its not easy to get a bed. He cuts his treatment short. Im too strong. No, youre not. No, youre not. You got carried. And thank god you did because we only have one of you. But the fact that you ignored the testing you have access to testing every day. You didnt even use it. It makes no sense that he just got it thursday. Find a doctor who shows you it makes sense, and that person is b. S. My kids, your kids, the stupid hybrid learning. Its not learning. Its unlearning. No tests. One case, whole School Closes down. Why . No resources. Cant contact trace. No sophistication or thought about it. No help. Imagine if we had access to what he had access to that he ignores, that he abuses. Life would be totally different. He didnt just walk into the white house one time with no mask tonight. He had his video crew capture that stupid scene again so he could put out propaganda, fronting a lie to his people once again, just like dont worry about the mask. Now he says dont worry about covid. Dont let it control your life. Just propaganda. Thats all it is. I know theres sound to it. Im not going to play it for you. Why should i . How much bullshit do you need in your life . Dont let Covid Control your life. Nobody wants it to control their life. They dont have any choice because youre not setting up communities with the testing that you take for granted. A hospital suite and 24hour care and experimental drugs and all the best of everything all the time. And im not saying he shouldnt have it. Im saying you should. Isnt that his damn job is to kilt h kill himself . You know he loves to work. Then do the work. A leader would go. A leader would go and do everything youre not supposed to and force places into places where they can get sick . Weve never had any people get sick. Who the hell knows whos at his rallies . How are you going to find them . You think theyre going to come forward and say, i got sick at a trump rally. He takes off his mask while hes still infected, like thats some show of strength. Its as weak as it gets. Of course you should be afraid of covid. Its killed more than 200 210,000 of us. Dont be afraid of covid. 10,000 have lied in the last 14 days. Dont be afraid of covid. It just took down the most powerful and protected person in the world. He had to go to the hospital. His continued recklessness makes it impossible to be sympathetic. I feel for his wife. I dont even know how shes doing. They only talk about him. He has been covering up the reality from jump. He admitted it himself on a recording, that he was covering it up. And now the Vice President , just when you think maybe they get it, maybe we can all get on the same goddamn page, the head of the white house the head of the White House Coronavirus task force says, im going to go do the rallies. Im going to go do the rallies. Hes going to do the same thing that got the other guy sick . It is the definition of insan y insanity. The White House Press secretary now has covid. I wish her well. I wish her well. Why . Why wouldnt i . Well, she deserves it. Nobody deserves to be sick. She asked for it. Maybe so. She lies a lot. Even her statement there seems so layered to kind of hide whats true. I know. But, one, i try very hard not to become what i oppose. And, two, nobody benefits from somebody else getting sick. But she was out there maskless, exposed to multiple people with the virus. Thats why she said to you in her statement she wasnt. Some context. I want you to listen to something that trump said in 2014 when doctors and reporters came back from africa, where ebola was raging. Listen to this carefully. I consider that doctor extremely selfish who came back, and then he toured new york. I mean he went on crowded subways during rush hour, had dinner in brooklyn, went to a Bowling Alley and bowled and went all over the place. I think hes a very selfish person frankly. They were supposed to be home, selfquarantined, except they decided to go out and have a good time. Ah, well. He wasnt what . Its hypocrisy. Thats all it is. Hes the president now. That very selfish person he was talking about, its you. Now, what do i suggest we do in this moment . Listen, man, just going after what is obvious about him is a waste of our time. We have to understand that hes not getting us where we need to be. We should not be as sick as we still are. Our kids should not be as compromised. I say and the white house agreed to let tony fauci come on the show tonight. This is a man whos been quiet too much, especially over the last few days. What our decency tells all of us, i dont want to compromise a guy when hes in a bad way. But now hes not in a bad way. Look, if the virus takes him down and makes him sicker again, thats on him. Hes a drunk driver who tells other people to drive drunk. Its not a big deal. I do not have the sympathy for him. I dont want him to be sick. But i dont care about him. I care about everybody else who listens to him and gets infected. Dr. Fauci is here, and we need to discuss what the reality is with this president. The doctor is not managing his case, which is weird by the way. But the long haul now, whats the concern . Vaccine . Whats the real . Schools . Testing . Why dont we have better . Why isnt there more and better . Thats what we have, okay . Dr. Fauci is here to have that discussion with all of us. So there he is. I will tease him, let you see his handsomeness, and we will discuss i notony cant hear me because hed be smiling if he heard me call him handsome. When we come back there it is. We will discuss what matters in this country to you and me and our families. He knows whats going on, and he will straight with us. I give you my word, next. I knew that i would, now i feel good get a dozen double crunch shrimp for one dollar with any steak entree. Only at applebees. I do not buy it for one second that the vitality of American Manufacturing is a thing of the past. It has to be part of the engine of new prosperity in america now. And it starts with a pretty basic idea when we spend taxpayers money, we should use it to buy American Products and support american jobs. 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Now, theres skyrizi. 3 out of 4 people achieved 90 clearer skin at 4 months after just 2 doses. Skyrizi may increase your risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them. Before treatment your doctor should check you for infections and tuberculosis. Tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms such as fevers, sweats, chills, muscle aches or coughs, or if you plan to or recently received a vaccine. Nothing is everything ask your dermatologist about skyrizi. Now, what matters . Well, the vaccine matters. Why did the white house slash the chief of staff mark meadows, who we dont know what his testing situation is, he came out with no mask to talk to the media before he posed as an anonymous source before contradicting trumps doctor. Why is he telling the fda they cant slow down the process of authorizing the vaccine so that it doesnt make it here in time for the election . How is that okay . Lets talk about protocols, where we are with the vaccine, schools, testing, what our future looks like. Dr. Anthony fauci joins us now. Welcome back to prime time. Its good to have you, doctor, as always. Just to be clear, im not asking about trumps treatment because am i right to suggest you dont have anything to do with his treatment . Thats correct, chris. I do not. Im not involved in his primary care. Okay. Just one step forward in terms of concern about our commander in chief. Even if he is Getting Better, youre going to have to keep well, not you. They will have to keep monitoring him, right, just to make sure theres no residual or secondary or long haul . I mean even if you have a quick spell with great experimental treatment, you still got to be a little worried there, right . Yeah. Well, chris, rather than worrying about the long haul, you know, he looks fine as you can see the way he looked when he came out of the hospital. The issue is that hes still early enough in the disease that its no secret that if you look at the clinical course of people, sometimes when youre five to eight days in, you can have a reversal, a reversal meaning going in the wrong direction and getting into trouble. Its unlikely that it will happen, but they need to be headsup for it. He knows it. The physicians know it. So theyre going to keep an eye out for it. Theyre going to do that in the confines of the white house instead of the hospital. But, yes, youre not out of it until youve gone several days out and doing well. He certainly does look well. You dont need me to tell you that. You saw the way he came out of the helicopter. He looked like he was in pretty good shape. He took the victory lap. I know no clinician would like it, but it made me know he cant be that sick. So that made me feel better for him and for the sake of being hyper sympathetic. Let me ask you something. How big are you now on the regeneron treatment . Because something helped this guy beat the curve. Yeah. You know, it very well could have been that. I mean the monoclonal antibodies, chris, are one of the things that we really are you know, really quite optimistic about. Weve had experience with other diseases. Regeneron Monoclonal Antibody was one of the two types of antibodies that was very successful with ebola. And the very fact that it was successful in ebola, another very serious viral infection, had us be cautiously optimistic that monoclonal antibodies, which are a very specific protein. Right. That the body makes that you could produce in very large amounts and infuse it into an individual by an iv infusion. Has the potential to really be something very, very important in the treatment of covid19 patients. The president got that as a compassionate use. And whether or not it was that that got him better, im strongly suspicious that it was. But obviously you cant prove that until you do a number of studies. Well, what else could it be . To show that it actually works. Well, you know, it could have been he was naturally going to turn around anyway. But when you see that at 74 years old in his general fitness . Yeah, and you also remember he was on remdesivir. If youre asking me my opinion. Yeah, yeah. I think it made a difference. Whenever you have an n equals 1, you cant prove it. But i think the Monoclonal Antibody made a difference, and it is in Clinical Trial now to try and prove definitively it works. I hope it works as well as we think it is. But i know from experience that we had in africa with ebola that monoclonal antibodies can really do a knockout punch to a virus. Well, good. Im just saying, look, people need stuff out here. Thats all im saying. If it was safe enough to give to him, i know compassionate use, but hes the president. It was really president ial use. Now, on the urgency side, doctor, i dont understand. If the fda says everybody said the fda gets to do what it wants to do. The fda wont be compromised by politics, yadda yadda yadda. Now the white house says do not slow down the authorization, these new guidelines that might make it not approved before the election. No good, its got to go. What happened to the fda gets to do what it thinks is right . Well, it isnt over until its over. The fda has not actually said theyre going to slow down. This is one of those things that the fda has good reasons for doing what theyre doing. They have career scientists who develop these kind of models of what you need to do to assure safety and to assure efficacy. And right now this is what they said, and well see what happens. The vaccine, there is a politicizing that goes on with it. To be understood, it was going to happen. Nobody you know, its expected. But the idea that im going to be able or my kids will be able to get this vaccine anytime around the new year is just poppycock. Even if you have some doses, its going to be for super vulnerable, and its probably not a onedose vaccine in its current iteration from what i understand. Right. From people around operation warp speed. So whats the reality, doc . Yeah. So let me tell it like it is, chris. Thanks for the opportunity. So right now you have five candidates that are in phase three advanced trials, two of which went into phase three, which is a large trial of thousands and thousands of people to determine if its safe and effective. Two of those went into phase three on july 27th. The moderna product and the product from pfizer. We project that by the time we get to november or december, maybe earlier i dont think its going to be earlier, but its still possible it would be earlier. But i think comfortably around november or december well know whether or not the vaccine is safe and effective. I actually am cautiously optimistic from what ive seen about preliminary data in phase one that theres a very good chance well have a safe and effective vaccine. Theyve already started to produce doses way before well know whether the vaccine is safe and effective. So by the time we get to the end of november, december, there should be some doses that are available for distribution. Youre absolutely right. When you have a limited number of doses like well have in november, december, well have more in january, more in february, more in march and april, et cetera. But early on there will be a prioritization that is essentially from advisory committees that say that certain types of people, for good reasons, should have priorities. One of them will be health care workers. Oo others will be those individuals that have underlying conditions that put them at a higher risk for getting a serious outcome. Sooner or later when you get months down the pike, you likely will have enough to get to the normal, everyday healthy citizen who wants to be protected. That wont be for a few months thereafter. Even though there will be vaccines there, by the time you get them out logistically and vaccinate people, it will be several months after that. But there will be Vaccines Available likely for some people, limited amount, by the end of this calendar year, the beginning of 2021. Right thats a fact. If were trying to allay peoples fears about coronavirus because theres going to be a vaccine to make it easier for us, us is a very defined term. Thats all im saying in terms of on the short side. And even then, its not one shot. Its two shots. Am i right about that . Right. Right. Well, most of the candidates are a prime and a boost. One of them, the onsen product is just a single shot. But the vast majority of them are a prime and a boost separated by anywhere from 21 to 28 days. And do you have enough for the boost on this first group . Yeah. All right. Good. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. We do. So the next concern, the strategy i have not seen a redoubling of any effort to improve and increase Testing Capacity from the federal government, and the specific example will be schools. In reporting all around the country to random school districts, which i do literally on my own time, they are not hearing anything from the federal government. They are closing down schools for one or two cases. The states are trying to give them resources, but they dont know what you guys know. When will be the push come to make it so that my kids arent teaching themselves at home in a situation that sucks, tony . Right. Right. Yeah. Well, chris, whats happened now is something that im not sure youre totally aware of, but that the federal government is essentially now going to make 150 million of those new abbott binex, they look like a credit card, point of care, about 5, about 15 minutes to get the result. Much more widely available for schools, for nursing homes. Several tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands are already going out. But the ultimate goal will be 150 million purchased. I think there will be more after that. Im going to be pushing for more. But the national once theyve already committed to is 150 million of these point of care credit cardtype tests that will be available to do the kind of surveillance that you want to do in schools, places like that. Now, i appreciate it. I was aware of it. I heard that it has been about to go out and put on hold more than once by the white house, and i am told that abbott had them. It wasnt that that we had to scale up. We werent ready. They were actually looking for a capital infusion. They could have gotten there sooner according to my sources. So, again, whats taking so long . Well, you know, we discussed the testing situation a bunch of times, chris. Yeah, it still stinks, tony. Thats why im still asking you. I know. I know. But i hope that when we get those 150 million out there, and even more you know, chris, ive been saying that we need to flood the system with testing. There are a couple of kinds of testing. Theres the testing you do when you want to do identification isolation Contact Tracing to know that a specific person is or is not infected. Then theres another important kind of testing, surveillance testing, getting out there, getting ge getting into the community and finding out what the level of infection is in the community and doing it on a broad scale, whether you do it in schools, in colleges, in factories. Thats what we need to do. Im with you. Its just not happening. And i also think that now im studying these other countries, and i know you know this stuff, tony. I respect your expertise without qualification, and i know you have a great team. And i know youre seeing these same studies and hearing these other people from around the world who say, you know, the amount of cycles they do, they go too deep. Theyre picking up all this live virus but also dead virus and dna detritus, and theyre getting a positive. If they reduce the cycles, meaning they didnt look as deeply, theyd get less positives, and thats how they got people back in school, and they do better with schools than we have done, and its very frustrating because even 150 million, who knows how long it takes to get them out there . And it seems like it could be better if the federal government wanted to be better. And i dont understand whats going on. Right. You know, im not sure i can explain because you said a couple of Different Things there, one about the different cycles to show that someone might not be expected even though they have a cycle that looks like its positive, it really isnt positive because theres not a lot of live virus there. Right. Thats just a different story from what were talking about right now, chris. What youre talking about is why dont we have the level of testing that weve always wanted . And the multiple times ive been on, ive side were doing better and better, which is what we are. But were not exactly where it is you think we should be and where quite frankly i think we should be. But it is Getting Better and better. As much as that sounds like another excuse, the fact is were better off now than we were a couple of months ago. Thats for sure. Lets talk horizon. I know your time is short. What does thanksgiving look like . Yeah, you know, it depends on where you are, chris. I mean ive always said i have an issue here because our level of baseline, number of cases per day is higher than i want to see it. Its about its stuck at 40,000. There are regions of the country that are looking good. Theyve done fine. But what were starting to see now and we cant run away from it. Were starting to see the midwest and the northwest, an uptick in test positivity, which tends to be a predictor that youre going to have surges. When you go into the fall and the winter, the weathers colder, you tend to be indoors. When youre indoors, it becomes more problematic to be able to block the transmission of infection. So what im saying is that you asked me what do i see for thanksgiving. It depends. You know, you divide the country into multiple ways depending upon the amount of infection. Theres dark green zones and green zones, which are really good. In other words, the level of infection is so low, youre probably with some mild precautions do well. Then theres areas of the country that very well might be hot. They may be red zones where theres enough infection around that you really better be careful when you congregate people, particularly indoors. So i say that some people in this country are going to be able to have a relatively normal type of a thanksgiving. But in other areas of the country, its going to be, you better hold off and maybe just have immediate family. Make sure you do it in a way that people wear masks and you dont have large crowds of people. You know, id like to say that everything is going to be great by thanksgiving, but honestly, chris, im not so sure it is. Weve got to get that baseline of infection down. Were stuck at 40,000. We got to go below 10,000, way below 10,000. Throughout the country and we got to do it uniformly. I preach this all the time. Well get there if we do uniform wearing of masks, keeping distance, avoiding crowds. Outdoors much more than indoors and washing your hands. Ive been with you on this show multiple times. Not enough. And i say that over and over again. I know. And if as a country we actually did it right. We wouldnt be in the position were in right now for sure. Well, let me tell you, when you have the president of the United States taking his mask off i know youre not here to talk about it. I know youre not a politician. Youre too honest. But when he comes and he takes his mask off as hes entering a cluster facility, the white house, and says, yeah, dont let Covid Control your life. Its pretty good. I feel better than i did 20 years ago. We wonder why were stuck at 40,000 cases. How could we not be . Were lucky its not 50,000. Dr. Fauci, i appreciate your candor. I appreciate you coming on to set people straight. We are literally desperate for information that we can believe. Thank you very much. Youre always welcome. Ill keep asking. Thank you, chris. Good to be with you. Stay healthy. We need you. Well be right back. 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Or the marines who fly on his captain. The thousands that packed his rallies while he was contagious. The vips who stood on tarmacs to greet him. The gold star families he packed into an event in the east room. All those people. Before you talk about him holding press conferences, you know a member of the White House Press corps tested positive. Has anybody contacted him to be contact traced . Is anybody reaching out to people would have been sick or in the hospital . How about the debate where he skipped the planned test where people wound up being sick afterwards . Im not blaming him, but it cant help, right . Lets talk the messaging, the power of the politics here. We got dr. Sanjay gupta, Anthony Scaramucci and david gregory. Doctor, how dangerous is it to have the most powerful man come out and say to the broadest audience, look at me. Told ya . Well, i think, you know, theres two things that really struck me. One is just sort of the clear sort of problem that he might have with people at the white house. Hes Walking Around inside without a mask on. Hes got the disease. Hes got covid19. We know that. So hes got a contagious potentially deadly disease, and hes not doing what he should be doing, basic Public Health thing, to rprotect those around him. I watch that video over and over again. He walks up to the balcony, then takes off his mask, does the photos, and then walks inside. I dont think put his mask back on. I think everybody sort of knows that by now, that thats the way that you could spread the virus. Other people are wearing masks. Theyre protecting him from them primarily, but he, who has the disease, is not protecting them. But the other thing, chris, i think maybe to your question is that he writes this tweet, says you dont have to fear covid. It really struck me because this idea, you know, this sort of idea that youre propagating a herd immunity strategy. You dont have to fear it. Go ahead and get it. Im fine. Its a really dangerous strategy. Weve been talking about this for so many months. Everybody agrees its dangerous. Dr. Atlas talks about it, but when hes interviewed about it, he says, no, no, i wouldnt advocate that even though he advocates it other ways in his writings and things like that. It could possibly lead to the death of close to 2 million people, overwhelm hospitals. We have to fear covid. It is a contagious, deadly disease. We will get through it, but we have to treat it with, you know, the fear that it deserves so that we dont inadvertently get too many people infected. So it was reckless but almost absurd at the end, chris, when he just walks in without his mask on. He has this disease, and he could spread it to others. David, fear is a choice. Danger is real. Now, in politics, perception is often reality. He went into the hospital. He came out in no time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you could explain it by he got a lot of treatment, but whatever. He still came out. He takes his mask off because hes tougher than covid. What do you do with the power of that messaging if you are running against this president . Is he not superman . Well, i mean, you know, the point is that the president is trying to convey strength, which i dont think anybody but his most ardent supporters is going to think is real when the absurdity of spending time saying, well, you know, joe biden is in the basement. Therefore hes weak. Now the president s been hospitalized with covid. The president , who wants to make this about the strength of the economy, this campaign, this election thats a month away, its now all about covid because now he has covid after not taking it seriously enough. And hes undercut his message about reopening the economy or trying to get schools to reopen because people dont know what to believe. I mean, sanjay is right about the absurdity. He knows the medicine. How about this fact . How about the fact that youre talking to the top Infectious Disease specialist in america and certainly one in the world, and he has to tiptoe around the fact of the absurdity of this day because he wants to keep his job . Mmhmm. Because he wants to be able to still fight this virus and not be completely marginalized by a president who wont book anything other than total loyalty. Thats whats been cultivated over the past four years. And, you know, the message that the president says is not one of strength. Hes losing this opportunity to say, look, im doing okay. Im the president. Its important to convey that the president of the United States is doing okay and that america is secure. Thats fine. But we still have to cultivate a sense of community if were going to bring the deaths and the number of cases to an acceptable level, which helps everybody. And by the way, would be good politics. But in his mind, its only what can he do in a limited amount of time. The white house is in disarray, and the president is desperate, and hes listening to nobody but himself and directing everyone else despite whatever they say to him. The white house is a case cluster. That should be case closed, but it isnt. Why . Glad you asked. Well take a break. When we come back, Anthony Scaramucci has unique insight into how people in trumps fold are responding to this and what it tells us, next. How about no no uh uh, no way come on, no no nnnnono only discover has no annual fee on any card. Tonight. Nono ill be eating roasted cauliflower tacos with spicy chipotle sauce. [doorbell chimes] thank you. [puck scores] oooow yeah i wasnt ready you want cheese to go with that whine . . Well look back and remember the moment that things, for one strange time in our lives, got very quiet. Some lost work and invented new ways to get by. 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The morale inside the white house, alltime low. Secret service is superupset. Youve got staff inside the white house that i know, personally, that are very upset about it. The young press secretary has a young child. Shes not got covid as a result of listening to this president. So, the thing that worries me the most, chris, and you you in the beginning was great but what about the people that are helping him . I mean, a demagogue can only be powerful if they have willing accomplices. And so, what does it say for guys like mitch mcconnell, wont come on your show . Kevin mccarthy, wont come on your show . What are you guys doing . You swore an oath to the constitution of the United States and to protect the american citizens. And youve got, you know, i dont know, the american mussolini standing on the balcony. Weve never had a president stand on that balcony, and do what he just did. So, you know, we got to beat him, chris, though. Were definitely going to beat him because he has done a great job. Its an unbelievable fact, about president trump, he is a uniter, chris. He just happens to be uniting all of us against him. I mean, im teamed up with alexandria ocasiocortez, at this point in my life. And its funny when you think of that ideological bandwidth. And so, we are going to knock him right out of the white house on november 3rd. We are chipping away in local markets. Were doing local radio. Local television. Were doing zoom calls into local markets. Some of us will be visiting those areas. Hes going to lose. Okay . And thats why hes acting the way hes acting. Its a combination of, maybe, those steroids and its a combination of the fullon panic that he knows this thing is closing out. Do you think that, maybe, your emotions have kind of overtaken your intellect in terms of this degree of confidence you have . That you are going to beat somebody, who has weathered every kind of mistake that has brought down any other politician, ever . And not only does it not take him down but, he grows. This guy just got sick with a pandemic, told people dont worry about it. Came out of the hospital, took his mask off, contagious, in a place thats completely infected, and they are cheering him, all over the country. Well, you know, i would say to you, chris, that my emotions got the best of me when i was working for him. And so, you know when your pride and ego are involved, your emotions are going up and your intelligence going down. But thats not the case, right now. Im actually fairly detached from it, and fairly unemotional about it. I am operating the steve bannon game plan, my my arch nemesis. What was that game plan . Lets hive off 3 to 5 of these republicans. There are normal, rational republicans out there, that do not like what is going on. And lets explain to them that there really isnt a culture war going on. All that nonsense and that narrative about there being a culture war and people who live in the cities are going to take away your guns in the midwest or the or the west. All of that stuff is a lie, chris. And so, were going to be out there telling that story. And the Vice President s poll numbers really have not moved that much to the negative. In fact, if anything, he opened up a gap after the last debate. How is the president going to debate him, live, on october 15th . Thats the question. What are they going to do . Put each other in plexiglass booths . Should they even debate . We got to get some answers about that. It will be very interesting call to see what is made there. I also want to see some polls after this event. Lets see whether the minds and hearts of the country are right now. Anthony scaramucci, always appreciate the straight take. Thank you for being on the show. Thank you. All right. 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The president had to be put in the hospital, put on two different experimental treatments, came out, took his ma mask off. Says covid is no big deal. Put him in the hospital. Two experimental treatments. He is supposed to get tested every day. They wont tell us if he was. They wont show us that he was. How can you make sense of any of this . I just dont know. Ill be honest. I watch it all in realtime. I study it. But i dont understand it. But ill tell you someone who will try to make sense of it. D lemon, right now, on cnn tonight. There he is. I made sense of it, from the very beginning, when it was announced that he had covid. And then, well, actually, the part where he was going to the hospital. Its not that hard to figure out. Do tell. I dont want to get in trouble. But im just too late. I got to be honest. It it was surprising, to me, that when this happened, that a lot of people said i dont believe it. I dont believe it. I dont believe he has covid. I think hes faking it. I think hes going to do whatever he can to try to win the presidency. I am, you know i im not that cynical. Im a cynic but im not that cynical. There is also no proof of him faking it. And the opposite seems to have the preponderance of the evidence. And theres no proof of any of it because he wont let the doctors give the information that the American People need to know. So, listen, im not saying that. But i was surprised in this moment, this very serious moment, this crisis, that so few people had faith in this president , that this president was actually telling the truth about his health. And about where the country is, in this moment. And i had no doubt about this. The health thing, thats fine. I believe he has covid. I dont know, as far as his symptoms and all that. You can better speak to that