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With the unknown. That was a beautiful tribute to the hero. I am chris comeau and welcome to prime time. Lets break down the questions about how the coronavirus is being handled here or mishandled. When trump promises, weve got it covered. Thats good to hear. And it makes it disturbing to hear news of a whistleblower warning that we dont have it covered, that there are failures to protect our own employees. Now we have a question. Is there a potential link to that whistleblower claim and the first confirmed case in california . And another question in california, why are there more than 8,000 people in that state being monitored . Why dont they know whether or not they have this virus or not . Why are so many others across this country not being tested . The virus is not that scarey. Its the unknown. So what do you say . Lets get after it. All right. Lets bring in dr. Gupta. Always good to have you. The unknown spreads panic faster than any virus can. And we have questions about the president s plan to deal with this. Cnn has not independently reviewed this whistleblower complaint. But here is the part thats interesting to me. I want to see if you agree with this. So solano county, california is not 5,000 people, but its not five million. Some of them are dispatched as Health Care Workers to bases in the country to deal with people that were repay treeuated from other parts of the world who might have the virus. Now we hear about the First Community based in california, a woman also in solano county. She has no connection to the work to the base. But isnt that what Community Contact is about . Right. The workers. Some of them are from solano county. Is that a potential link here to look at . That is a potential link to look at. To your point, chris, we dont know. The reason this is so significant, as people may have sort of realized by now, is that up until this point, up until this patient, this 15th patient, everyone, you could sort of account for as you made the point, chris. Either because of travel or because of known contact with someone who is in infected. Now someone is walking around, hasnt been to one of these areas, hasnt come into contact with anybody known to be infektsed, gets the infection. That basically means at some point the virus got out into the community. It means, most likely, that in addition to this 15th patient that patient got it from someone else, and that someone else may not have any symptoms or minimal sympto symptoms, never gets tested. Thats what it means now that this thing is in the community. Thats a significant thing. But we dont know. Its close to the air force base. Could it have been a Family Member of one of these workers . Right. Theyre good at this part of things, chris, from a Contact Tracing standpoint. You go back. You look at this persons life and you try and piece together their life over several days to figure out who were all the people they came in contact with and usually you are trying to figure out who they may have infected. In this case, theyre all just trying to figure out who may have infected this person. It is a real medical who dounni at this point. I start getting phone calls, just like you do, of people saying we cant test. Theyre not letting us test. And newsome comes out and says were monitoring 8,400 people. No reason to monitor anybody. You test. You see if you have influenza a or coronavirus or not. Thats not happening here. What do we know about why people arent being tested in the richest country in the world . Let me there is a couple of thoughts, and then i have done some digging today. Let me give you a little bit of context because i think this is important. In south korea, theyre doing about 5,000 tests a day. Okay . A day. In the several weeks that we have been testing in this country, probably done about a thousand tests total. So there is a huge disparity, i think, to your point. And surveillance is one of the primary pillars of Public Health. You got to know what you are dealing with in order to deal with it. So the testing becomes really important. Now, to be fair, sometimes people who dont have symptoms, even if they are carrying the virus, are less likely to come back positive. Why . Because the symptoms you get symptoms as the viral load in your body increases. Thats what makes you sick. Right. But also makes it more likely for you to have a positive test. So you get false negative tests if you are testing too often. Thats true. But i think a case can be made that we were not testing enough, you know, there were people who are very concerned. They may not have been in china, but they may have been in other cases like korea or italy, places we know the virus has been spreading. They get sick. Not only were they not getting tested, they were asking to get tested and they were told they couldnt get tested. So that is a problem that i think now people at the highest levels of our Public Health system are trying to address. What is a good reason that you say, sorry, i know that youre presenting in a way that it might be, and i know you want to be tested, but you cant. Well, thats a good question. I will tell you that there were some problems with the tests initially, as you will remember, chris. The goal was we want to get these tests out to all poc locations, point of care locations. But they found some of these tests ended up being flawed. The control didnt work. They couldnt be confidence in the testing. I dont know which led which. Was it because some of the testing were flawed . They sort of dialed it back and said, you know what, we dont need to test all these people after all. Or was it more, hey, look, we want to just make sure that were not going to run into a situation of a lot of false negatives, you know, things that because people are healthy or not having much in the way of symptoms, they come back negative because they fault sense of comfort. I dont know. But i can tell you this, that thats not the way its been done in many other countries around the world. Right. Most other countries around the world have erred on the side of more testing. We have erred on the side of less testing. That may change now in part because people are talking about it like us but also this 15th patient now evidence that this thing is in the community and weve got to start to broaden the approach here in terms of who were looking at because we clearly that one would have been missed otherwise. Right. Who else is out there . How do we find those people . You are the doctor, but i keep talking to clinicians, and they say it doesnt make sense to not test because whats scarey is the unknown. The boogie man is how bad can it be . Newsome would rather say i have 8,400 confirmed cases and theyre going home. Most of us make it through. If youre old or immune compromised, maybe not. How are states trying to adapt to this . I heard a couple of interesting things. This wasnt a uniform decision. I dont think everybody was onboard for the criteria of who should get tested in the first place. The criteria was pretty stringent. You had to travel to one of these places or have had contact with a known infection. In other countries, it let more discretion to the Health Care Provider saying, okay, this person has a pneumonia or some sort of problem. There is no clearcut reason. Were going to test for coronavirus because we think that coronavirus is circulating. Up until today, frankly, that sort of discretion wasnt given to doctors. I dont think everyone was onboard with that. I heard from very high levels that even early on there was a push to sort of broaden out the testing. Who was pushing in which direction and who was pushing the other direction, i dont exactly know who and why they were doing that. But it wasnt a uniform sort of approach to this. The second thing i think, you know, again these flawed tests, i think, were a real problem. You know . And on one hand the United States developed a test at the cdc very quickly. And that was a great thing because that test was important to identify these people. But after that, after trying to distribe yut these to clinics around the country, i think things fell apart a little bit over there and that really hurt some of our initial surveillance. It led to ron klay say anybody who knows how many cases they have is not telling the truth because theyre not testing enough to know. And what happens is now the states are starting to push back and say, we can test. These are sophisticated states, california, new york. Many states across the country have the capability to do this. Theyre being told no. Thats the next piece of the puzzle. Thank you for helps us understand this better. Appreciate it, brother. So california, 8,400 cases monitored. They have to meet these weird federal criteria for being able to test when they could do it themselves. Why . So we check here in new york state, right . Not 8,400 cases or anything, but they are getting reports of people getting the symptoms, they dont meet the criteria. So we get the commissioner of new york to come in and tell us whats happening here, what makes sense and what doesnt just in terms of understanding the problem. Next. 5g will change business in america. Tmobile has the first and only, nationwide 5g network. And with it, you can shape the future. Weve invested 30 billion dollars and built our new 5g network for businesses like yours. 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New york state, other side of the country from california. First no confirmed cases. Obviously, though, the risks here are great. Tens of millions of tourists every year, 20 Million People live in the state and of course it is the Global Financial center. We start hearing reports from different hospitals and sources. People are coming in. Could be influenza. Maybe its not. They say they want to be tested for coronavirus, and they keep being told no. Why . Dr. Howard zucker is the new York State Health commissioner. He has the answers. Thank you for joining us. So when we look at california, first confirmed case, case number 50 from the community. Five days they wait to test. The governor comes out and says were monitoring 8,000 plus cases. He should know what he has on his hand, as you know, the fear for the public is, what, what they dont know. Why wait so long . Why cant they test . I think part of it is there is a challenge that the federal government has these tests coming in to one place, which is the centers for disease control. We have in new york a lab, the wadsworth lab, that has looked at the protocols and based on the cdc protocols has developed a test that we are ready to move forward with as soon as the fda approves it. The same is true in california. I suspect so. But you cant . No. I need the fda approval. So the panic is in the unknown. Thats the worried well. The worried well, very nicely said. You can test, but the federal government says no. Why . Well, right now, they feel that they want to run the test at the cdc, and its a matter of getting this through and to be able to get our test approved as well as probably other state labs that are calibered like our lab. Ordinarily that would be fine. You just be patient. This is not a time for patience because time is the enemy. You were talking earlier saying, theyre also overwhelmed at the cdc. How can they be overwhelmed . This is why its important to prepare for what could happen. You dont want to play catchup on this. We are, it seems like. This is why in new york we have moved forward. The governor has put forward a 40 million appropriation to the budget to provide the ability to have diagnostic testing and supplies that are needed. And so we are working on that, and we would like to get the approval from the federal government so that we could help those that are concerned and be able to take some of the burdens off of federal government not only for the state of new york but also for some of the neighboring states that may not have the same kind of lab. I would add one more thing, which is that they have changed the criteria recently. So it is today. They changed the criteria. So there will be more tests that will need to be done. So it would be better to have states like new york do the test. Now, theyre getting negative pushback. People like sanjay talking to people like me. Its getting out there this criteria was too constrained. It was basically you didnt come from this one area of china or you werent in contact with someone who did, you can get tested. But it doesnt make sense anymore, right . Well, it is an evolving process and you need to change it accordingly. So we should be testing whoever, based on the clinical exam, clinical assessment needs to be tested, and i think thats the next step. Now, my suspicious is that i want you to give me a good reason for policy for it to be this way because the suspicious to me is this is a great way to keep the numbers down is that you dont get to test. Ill do all the testing, and i will control what the number throw is and thats all well know. It may be slow in getting out, but at least there arent numbers popping up all over the place. When it comes to Public Health, all those kind of issues should be put aside because were dealing with the public safety, the publics health. Whatever needs to be done to move this forward, to make sure people are getting the tests that they need should be done. And that should eclipse any concerns that we have. Do you have any concern that your test is not as good as their test. I think our test is better. Im sure california feel it is same way. To be clear, this isnt a sophisticated thing to find, right . You can test for this the way you do with influenza and figure out what it is. Once we have the protocol and our team came up with the test, we were able to move forward. And the center is phenomenal. That was actual hi tly the cent. Our lab came up with the acetate in the story. Thats another story. Lets end on the right note. Im worried about the flow of information because i fear the unknown, and i think that thats what spreads panic, and we dont need that. More testing will give more confidence to the american people. Who should also give confidence is this isnt the boogie man. If you get sick from this, you are not automatically going to die. We may have a falsely exaggerated sense of how lethal it is and there are plenty you can do to not get it. Help us through that. I think we need to remove some of the anxiety everyone has about this. The way to do that is to prevent problems. And the way to prevent a problem is use good Public Health practice. Wash your hands, sneeze into your sleeve. Sounds basic, but it really works well. It does. Stay home. And they are boring concepts, but they work. The second is to prepare for a problem. And thats what were doing. We are preparing. Dust off those plans. Look at the strategies. And then to partner, to partner with hospitals, with nursing homes, with schools and to be ready for a problem. I think together, if we do all of that together and we work as a community, we actually could overcome any virus that nature sends our way, and i think we will be successful. How long until youre able to Start Testing people . I wrote to the fda the other day, and i hope as soon as possible. And i hope by the beginning of next week. Because every day there are more and more people coming in. Right. It is an evolving process. It is important to keep this in perspective. A lot of people are getting nervous about this. I understand. If you dont know something, you would get nervous. You have to remember that even though everyone speaks about sars, but sars is in the same family. They are coronaviruses. But two people in the family, one kid as blue eyes, one kid has brown eyes. Same family, but they may be a little bit different. We need to keep this different. In my family, the one with brown eyes is far inferior to the one with blue ies. Thank you very much. Let us know how the information process goes so we can make sure people have no reason to panic. We will do that. The president s selfproclaimed best economy ever is having a very bad week . Why. Well, coronavirus fears is a big part of this. The president takes credit for the gains. Now hes blaming anything that goes wrong on everybody else. We have a very valuable guest next with some perspective on our economy, a celebrated former labor secretary. Well be right back. snoring whats going on . Its the 3pm slump. Should have had a p3. Oh yeah. Should have had a p3. Need energy . Get p3. With a mix of meat, cheese and nuts. They Work Together doing important stuff. The hitch . Like you, your cells get hungry. Feed them. With centrum® micronutrients. Restoring your awesome. Daily. Feed your cells with centrum® micronutrients today. Wild thing, you make femy heart sing. Ith you make everything. Groovy. Done yet . Yeah, yeah, sorry, sorry. You sure . Hmm. Mmm. 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That sends fear to traders in the markets. You have southeast asia, the middle east, europe. Lets bring in someone who knows the macro economic, the world implications on the economy. He was the labor secretary under vehicle tear clinton. Now, lets deal with what we know this isnt about. The system, who rigged it, how we fix it by you. Thank you very much for joining us. Now first the president said the traders they dont like seeing the democrats on stage bashing the economy. The markets crashed hours before the debate. This is not about a political hit. What is it about . Well, it shouldnt be thought of as a political issue. This is not a partisan issue. This is about supply and demand and fear of the future. Some fears are perfectly rational. Right here there is no reason to panic. The stock market, for example, is not the economy. The stock market is a bunch of people investing based on hopes and fears and sometimes those hopes and fears are exaggerated. Sometimes it is a road runner cartoon. But sometimes it is quite different. We cant assume that the entire economy of the United States is also bottoming out. The other thing to keep in mind is that consumer confidence, that is how average people feel about the future in terms of their jobs, their wages, their benefits, what they are going to be doing, that plays a huge role in the economy because consumer purchasing is about almost 70 of the total economy in the United States. And if people get worried about the future and they pull in their horns and they stop spending, that could be a selffulfilling prophesy. Right now at the bottom of the screen it says coronavirus drive dow to worst point ever. Its never been this high before. And as you well know and the audience should understand, the people who make their money on wall street have been saying there is going to be a correction for some time. It is just about when. It is as likely as anything that this gave them a reason to sell off. Isnt that part of the mix . Yeah. That is definitely part of it. The worst Case Scenario is because of supply chain disruptions and because consumers are worried, theyre worried not just pulling in their horns but theyre also worrying about contegen. They canceled travel plans. There could be down the road, if this continues at the rate its been there could be a lot of economic problems that are created simply because of the Behavioral Changes that come about because of this fear. Im not going to be predicting anything, but i think it is realistic to say this could be, it could be the biggest threat to the Global Economy since the great recession, since the great crash of 2008. Why . I hope its not. I hope its not. But given that china, the second biggest economy in the world shows signs of contracts or closing down, given that europe is facing a great deal of risk right now put up the map of the countries involved. Keep going, bob. You have europe with 300 Million People. Thats our second largest trading partner. Europe is infected. I mean, to some extent it is not massive. But it is moving in a disturbing direction. China is obviously a huge problem and china is where we have supply chains. A lot of supplies start or are assembled in china. South korea is a major. Everything youre saying has been born out by what you are saying. Apple says, looks like were getting this under control. Maybe they are trying to fuel optimism. The contra point to that is we just got a report that the u. S. Says its first coronavirus drug shortage. The drug has nothing to do with a drug shortage. Hey, because of coronavirus our supply chain is disrupted. We will run short on a drug important in the u. S. Market. These are the kinds of things that traders find out about. Wall street types find out about and it affects their enthusiasm for different stocks. Thats what this is about. Its absolutely not. Nothing i have said suggests a political hit job. This is not panic. There is a difference between reasonable worry and panic. Again, you cant tell the future of the economy. Nobody knows the future of the economy. The stock market is one indicator. The Federal Reserve is likely to try to reduce internet rates or will reduce short term Interest Rates in an effort to stimulate demand if consumers get nervous and stop spending as much. The Federal Reserve board is obviously enormously powerful, but it cant do much if people start worrying about the contagen issue and stop going to places and the entire tourist entry, the travel entry, tra restaurants, hotels, Everything Else starts basically being affected by this. The fed has nothing to do with that. But thats down there is no reason to worry about that. The other doctor, chris, is exports. We do depend on export markets. If those export markets start trying up because of fears or because a lot of people just simply dont any longer have the wherewithal to byproducts from the United States, thats going to also affect our American Economy. Its intrarelated economy. We are part of the world. You cant take the American Economy out of the rest of the world, even though donald trump occasionally sound like he wants to. Look, coronavirus is a reminder were all in this together. What happens in one part of the world will have reverberations everywhere else. Well watch it and keep coming back to you to understand why its happening in that moment. Thank you very much, sir. Good luck with the book. Thanks, chris. Look, this is a political test moment, make no mistake about that. In most election cycles, you have something come out. They used to call it october or november surprises. You had to deal with it. Will trump pass this test . Is this that test . This is the time that you go to the men and women with the bigger minds. We are lucky to have one tonight. Time freedman is going to help us understand what this situation means, and he had a very unique, arguably controversial take on what the democrats should do to win in 2020. He joins us next. Choose boldly. Feria haircolor by loreal. Pure dyes, with triple highlights. Multifaceted, shimmering color with multiple tones in every strand. Never dull, never flat. Live in color. Live in feria. By loreal. How we worship, or who we love. And the 2020 census is how that great promise is kept. Because this is the count that informs where hundreds of billions in funding will go each year for things like education, healthcare, and programs that touch us all. Shape your future. Start here. Learn more at 2020census. Gov build a clear plan for retirement. One that covers health care costs, taxes, and any other uncertainties. 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In fact, sources tell cnn that Government Health officials now have to clear any public statements on coronavirus with Vice President pences office first. The move comes of course in the face of criticism about how the administration has handled its response to the outbreak and in no small part putting pence anywhere near having to do with science. Lets go to tom freedman, who is an expert in global affairs. Hes also the author of thank you for being late. Good to see you, sir. Do you see this situation as one of the test moments that can define an election . There is no question, chris. This is a Global Crisis that we still havent come to see the full magnitude of it. And it could be unlike any crisis, really, in our lifetime outside of a world war in that the entire world gets seized up because of the spread of this virus. And there is only one way it can be managed in my view, chris. One is with american leadership. You know, i always felt that president obamas greatest Foreign Policy success was the way he led the curbing of the ebolavirus. The reason he got so little credit for it is because it worked. We are the indispensable nation. There is no one other than america that can pull together a kind of global response. It is unfortunate this nation is hobbled by violating truth and trust so many times and abusing our allies so many times, but i dont think its not too late to start, and i think its the time for america to really step forward because there is no alternative when you face a kind of Global Pandemic like this. There is no alternative to american leadership. In a moment like this you would think those who want power would seize on it and speak with one voice and make this a function of their campaign. But on the democrat side of the ball, they are all over the place, tom. You are arguably the party under siege from two opposite polls. You have Bernie Sanders. He is surging. He is taking over that party, not unlike what we saw in 2016 with President Trump. And then on the other side, you have someone who is also not a democrat in bloomberg, who is spending his way into contention. How do you see their fate at this point . Well, you know, i i have been a supporter of mayor bloomberg. I have not been a supporter of Bernie Sanders. But what im a supporter of, chris, more is a unified front to take on donald trump because i believe this is a four alarm fire. I believe that what the country really wants now, if there is an overriding trend in the country, chris, lets take the extremes out. I think the overriding mood in the country is they want someone to pull us together. Because we have big hard work to do and now in the face of this coronavirus, we have really big hard work to do and big hard things can only be done together. And thats why i wrote a column calling for basically a democratled government of National Unity. I dont know who is going to emerge on the democratic side, but whoever it is, i hope they will appoint a team of rivals that will represent all wings of the Democratic Party and moderate republicans and independents. Id love to see mitt romney in this cabinet. I would love to see an authentic military man in this government. We need a National Unity government. People are not searching for medicare for all right now. They are searching for all for one and one for all. And i think the democrat who can emerge with that message is the one that i hope will win. But i know that democrat would be effective, would be able to govern effectively and not just win. Well, look, i love the ideas. One of the reasons i begged tom to come on tonight is i love the idea of testing this notion of a team of rivals, of running an entire slate. When tom freedman says it, they will care. First we have to look at why its not going to happen. Tom, the premise could be completely off. The country is not looking for unity. In fact, it is looking for it to be recognized as a function of divisions. That is the reason the president has been successful, is that those who are angry and saying i dont want to listen, my country is being stolen. Im being left behind. This country has old values that are being forgotten. Theyre angry. They believe he hears them. Bernie sanders has a formidable base, bigger than anybody else in the Democratic Party that i have seen where they say the same thick. Not anymore. We have got a guy thats mad as hell for us now. Lets remember President Trump ran on that message actually lost the popular vote. Secondly, Bernie Sanders probably has somewhere between 30 , 35 of the democratic side of the aisle. Maybe more. Well know more after tuesday. He may walk into Convention Time with 40 plus. He might. Thats still not a majority of the Democratic Party. What do you do, tom . We can take it up after the break, but bloomberg and bernie, they may both start with a b, but Bernie Sanders you couldnt say fast enough, i dont want his money. We dont want anything to do with him. You can have ideological differences within a party. It happens all the time. But not like this. You have never had a democratic socialist with the ultimate capitalist saying well find a way to bring it together. Do you think its even possible . To that i say welcome to four more years of donald trump who will control the house, the senate, the Supreme Court and the white house. And that to me is a pull the emergency lever. Lets question that before we go to break. If Bernie Sanders is good enough to win for president , why is it such a disaster for every other race in play . I dont understand that. So if hes good enough to win for president , democrats argue, but he could still make us not win the senate. Why . I think Bernie Sanders believes things that a lot of americans do not believe. One is this notion of democratic socialism. Another is a 50 trillion spending program. And those are things that a lot of americans simply do not accept. And, you know, even if he somehow could win the presidency, chris, how is he possibly going to govern . Okay . When the majority of democrats arent with you. Let alone the opposition. So heres the good news. I know that it can be sometimes frustrating to hear problems articulated even when it is done so even as eloquently as tom does. He wrote a piece about what he sees as a fix that is something we have never seen before but the democratic situation right now may call for it more than ever before. What that is, how it would look next. L. They get that no two people are alike and customize your Car Insurance so you only pay for what you need. What do you think . I dont see it. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. 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He probably wont have enough to win on a first vote, there will probably have to be a followup. I do believe were going to see the most unusual Democratic Convention that weve seen thats why this idea of super friends might happen. If somebody comes together i think its hard to depict with bernie, i have to be honest with you, because hes uncompromising with his ideals i do, too. The idea of having other people around him who dont agree with medicare for all and what he wants to do with the tax structure, but you like all these people. All of you like they have to differing degrees. That concept is good. Its just who is superman or super woman. Were in a really evolving moment now, chris, with this coronavirus. I really hope that in two weeks its in our Rearview Mirror and things are back under control. But what if it isnt . What if this is katrina times ten . If it is, you could see the public looking for a leader who has two things that are very, very important in this kind of situation. One, experience in managing a crisis. And two, an ability to pull together a coalition and build trust across both inter party and outside the party. Those demands and requirements could really damage Bernie Sanders, who is not seen by someone who played well with others in the senate. He has one of the worst records of doing that. Hes seen as a dogmatic ideologue. They all could be viewed differently, chris, in two weeks. We could be looking for a very different candidate, especially if this president ive said from the very beginning, what happens when he has a crisis . What happens when he has a crisis in two ways . One, he has violated the two Core Principles of our democracy, truth and trust, so many times. Now we need him to look into the camera to reassure the country, to reassure the world, and people are saying, you . You have lied so many times into that camera. He does have a weird opposite index where 50, 55 on the economy, credibility is usually in the 60s in terms of whether they think hes a liar. Its an odd mix. With iran we have to believe him and its hard to believe him. In a Health Crisis that really matters. And also donald trump has never for one day acted as president of all the people. He has only been the president of his base. And a day has not gone by where he has not disparaged people from the other party. He has made no effort to build bridges. And hes alienated so many of our allies. So were going to need a leader, very different kind of leader right now. And i would say the whole democratic contest could look very different, chris, in a few weeks. I hope, i hope this thing goes away other immediately. I want a president elected 0 who can think about a future, not managing the crisis. Were in the middle of something that is potentially very big. What is the potential chance of this happening, somebody is at the ticket, elizabeth warren, amy klobuchar, probably not biden, but three or four of the other ones in contention all agree to take positions in that persons government . You know, chris, i get to travel a lot around the country. I cannot tell you how many people have stopped me just in the last two days, i mean all over the place, and said two things. One is, i had that same idea just the way you said. National unity of government. Do you think theres a chance . People are starved for a leader who will pull us together. I think that is the secret underlying mood of the country. I do not buy the bit with the extremes. I think at the center of the country, americans understand were being ripped apart. We are becoming like sunnis and shiites in syria today. They are absolutely appalled by it and they are frightened by it and they are starved for a leader who will pull us together and out of many make one again. Tom freidman, thank you for highlighting the problem that is obvious, and a solution that will make a lot of people think. Appreciate it, my friend. Thanks, chris. All right. So, why is the president moving off the maga train in his new outreach to a critical voting block . Have you heard the new slogan thats out . What a bolo, next. And here we have another burst pipe in denmark. If you look close. Jamie, are there any interesting photos from your trip . Ouch, okay. Huh, boring, boring, you dont need to see that. Oh, here we go. Can you believe my client steig had never heard of a home and auto bundle or that renters could bundle . Wait, youre a lawyer . Only licensed in stockholm. What is happening . Jamie anyway, game show, kumite, cinderella story. You know karate . No, alan, i practice muay thai, completely different skillset. If you have moderate to severe psoriasis, Little Things can become your big moment. Thats why theres otezla. Otezla is not a cream. 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Because nobody says woke any more. They make fun of people saying woke all the time. Now theyre going to have woke centers . People who say woke arent woke. Woke is not a thing any more. Nobody says that any more. Thats how much they know about being woke, is that its not a thing. People dont say woke any more because they realize that the people who are woke are so tired that they need to sleep. They need a nap. Its not a thing. If you lure