Kids. And last week the attorney general was quoting scripture to justify ripping kids apart from their parents at the border. Today, a reversal of biblical proportions. The American People dont like the idea that were separating families. We never really intended to do that. What . Wasnt that exactly the intention, mr. Sessions . What do you say, my friends . Lets get after it. We saw something we havent seen, trump caving to political pressure. The former Campaign Manager who ignited fury after seeing kids separated on tv from their families. Cory lewandowski. Theres a lot of fallout from what you said. Let me remind people about the back and forth you had with the democratic operative. About a 10yearold girl with down syndrome who was taken from her mother and put in a cage. I read about a did they just say wahwah . How dare you. How dare you when you how absolutely dare you, sir. Lets get through the noise. Cory . Tell me that you did not mean to insult kids with down syndrome or families coming across with kids like that. Chris, of course i never meant to insult anybody with down syndrome. Who i was talking to was zach. I understand what the perception is here and what the media wants to talk about. But what zach was attempting to do was to use a child with down syndrome to politicize an issue. What he didnt tell you, what you need to understand was that person, that poor child was not taken from her parent because she came to this country illegally. That poor child was taken from her parent because her mother has been suspected as a material witness in a smuggling ring. I would never degrade a child. Im a father of four i understand that. We have to get past using children as political tools and come up with real solutions. All right but lets get i hear what was going on with you and zach. Theres bigger realities i need you to address. One involves you. One involves the administration. It seemed like you were dismissing the plight of people coming across the border. And to the extent that thats how people took it and they find that offensive, shouldnt you apologize for that if you didnt mean it . Im not here to offend anybody. Im here to defend the laws of country. People shouldnt be offended. Were the nation of laws. Those laws are very clear. We are the country, the largest country in the world that grants asylums to individuals being persecuted. We grant over 1 million asylums a year. The second highest country is germany. We are a country of immigrants, a country with a big heart and that wants to welcome people in. You have to do it legally. If we dont have laws and rules, then we cant be successful. And people understand that. Were a great country. Were all immigrants, chris. But we have a different way of coming here. And it has to be done legally. And thats whats important. Right. But justice is fairness under law. So youve got the law and then youve got how you choose to enforce t we know what happened here. The president wanted to make a statement of strength. He didnt plan for his own success. He didnt set up the facilities, the process. He just went with the politics and the message. Now we have a mixed message from the president. He put out an executive order saying i get it, that crying kids are bad for me. We shouldnt be like this. Im going to fix it. I want to play for you what he said and then what he said today. The American People dont like the idea that were separating families. We never really intended to do that. If you are smuggling a child, then we will prosecute you. And that child may be separated from you as required by law. 2,000mile journey up mexico. They walk through mexico like theyre walking through central park. Its ridiculous. Theyre drug traffickers. They are human traffickers. Theyre coyotes. I mean, were getting some real beauties. Mexico is doing nothing for us except taking our money and sending us drugs. All right. I wanted to be very clear here. Sometimes people say, like you cory, well, thats the president. He speaks. Hes a little hyperbolic. I wanted to show you him and the attorney general jeff sessions. Both said completely contradi contradictory things. Trump and sessions said this would going to be about making it okay and they both contradicted themselves. What is the policy . Let me read you exactly what the president said yesterday. Its about keeping Families Together while at the same time being sure that we are very powerful, very strong border. Thats what its about. But he said something else. In a Cabinet Meeting today. Do we have the sound to play for corey . He said today at the Cabinet Meeting this executive order, corey, is limited. And families will still be separated. So what the hell is the policy . He signed the executive order to make so they wouldnt be separated and today he said they still will be separated. Chris, the problem is that theres a federal ruling that you know exists right now and would be appealed to the ninth circuit. Ten states are challenging the executive order right now. What this president has said is that he has done everything he can within the confines of the law which have been established to fix the problem. This is congress problem. The democrats had supermajorities in the u. S. In 60 votes, in the majority in the house in 2006 and 08 and they chose not to fix this problem. Who signed the 2008 law that guides today, who signed it . Barack obama. Wrong. 2008, it was signed by president bush. Okay . Im not big into politics blame game i think there are problems with both sides toos why weve been stuck with a bad system that is inhumane on many levels for many years. However lets call the facts as they fall. Bush signed it. It says you cant keep juveniles more than 20 days and treat them in the right conditions. It was a humane settlement that the doj agreed to. It isnt about the law. Its how you choose to enforce t bush struggled with this. Obama struggled with this. Trump was struggling with this but decided to do this proxy of strength in the form of harshness. Lets arrest them all. But he wasnt ready for it, and he created a crisis, corey. Thats the truth. Look what has happened under the Trump Administration. Because our economy is so successful, unaccompanied alien children, pending cases are up to 78,000 right now pending cases. There were 3,000 in 2009. Approximately 90 of the removal orders ordered against unaccompanied children each year for failures to appear is the problem. Weve seen a 636 increase in unaccompanied aliens at ports of entry. Right. Since 2017, april of 2017. This has gone out of control because what has happened in the past isnt it out of control now, corey . Absolutely. Its out of control. We agree on the problem. Here are the points we need a solution. This wasnt the solution. Thats my point. Thats my point, corey. Let me tell you what the solution is. Hes making it worse. Chris, let me tell what the solution is. Democrats and republicans have to get together. Senate cant get it down without nine democratic votes. Men and women in Congress Need to serve the problems. Republicans wont put up a bill other than ted cruz and even that has addons, nobody on the republican side, unless you throw a camera in their face and say how do you feel about separating kids from families theyre not putting out bills with gusto to stop this problem. Theyre using it as leverage. To me that doesnt speak to a basic sense of humanity about this. Look, i dont disagree with you. But the problem has existed for a long time. Weve Given Congress a pass for too long for not saving it. Hold on a second, corey. I hear you. Ive got to tell you, its slipping the blame here. Congress needs to act. The system has problems, period. Okay. But that doesnt justify what trump just did here. He did something that he had to know, if he has any common sense and any kind of council around him was going to blow up the situation in a bad way. They had to know, corey. And he did it anyway. Chris . Chris, you would have rather seen additional children being separated from their parents . No. Hes separating the kids. He stopped that from happening. He did the separations by increasing the arrests. He changed the policy from he signed an executive order yesterday. I know. And he today he said it was no more separation. I know. But look nothing has been followed through on. And he doesnt satisfy say how he will reunitee the kids whachlt about that . You can only solve one problem at a time. Look, theres one problem at a time to solve. He created the problem, corey. Thats what im saying. Chris, because the law is the law. He said let me chris, were a nation of laws and the law was very clear. And there is an opportunity to enforce the laws that exist. We need to change those laws. Then you wind up like this. The president sait said im going to follow the laws. Lets build a border wall. As soon as you build that wall, 90 of this problem stops. We dont know that. Absolutely. We dont know that any wall would make that kind of difference. We glossed over one thing. Hold on. We glossed over something. And i need to hit you on one more thing. We glossed over something. Why is the number up . The economy is strong. What does that mean . The demand is strong. What does that mean . We have so many jobs. The flow of supply in from south of the border. Let me ask you this. For all your roundups and demonizing of the people who come here from the work, how Many Employers have you put in jail . How many laws have you changed . Theyre all civil laws if you come for the job you get treated like a dog and thrown in a cage. Is that right to you, corey . Do you know whats not right to me . Kate steinle who is dead because of the people who came across the border illegally. The number of crimes is lower than the overall crime rate. If youre worried about people being killed you have a lot of other places to look. One is one too many. You tell that to the families dont give me the compassion tell that to brian terry, the Police Officer killed guarding this country and was killed on the border. Whether theyre undocumented or not . What im telling you as a former Police Officer i can tell you this, we should never have a Police Officer killed in the line of duty from anybody illegally in this country. We should never have a Police Officer killed in country period. Thats right. And if youre not in this country illegally youre not doing that. Feeding the need for jobs and workers but youre not going after the people who are really causing it the people who are hiring them. This president you wont even the answer. Why not go after the employers . Here is what this president said. Chris, here is what the president said. Give me the money for the wall and people who are in this country through no fault of their own, we will make them citizens, give them a path. He has offered that and the democrats have said no. Thats not true. It is absolutely true. They gave him the wall for daca and he wanted chain migrat oichlt n. They never gave him money for the wall. 25 billion and daca and he said i want the other things. They gave him a down payment on the wall. Chris, they gave him a down payment for the wall. s asking for the money for the wall. He got money for the wall. Thats how it works. He didnt get 25 billion for the wall. He got 25 billion over a certain number of years. Chris, the Congress Funds one year at a time is what they fund. Facts are friends. You wont talk about why you dont go after employers. Why not . Of course you have to go after employers. Look, why dont we force everify . Absolutely. If employers are employing illegal aliens to do things illegally, they should be held accountable. Look what happened in ohio. Those employers are held accountable, employers who want to hire illegals need to be held accountable. Theyre not, though. Theyre not. Why arent we using that . They are using it. Look what happened in ohio. Enforce the law. Look what just happened in ohio. What laws do you want to enforce . I think you enforce all the laws. Which ones . Its discretion of how you enforce them fairly. No, you only want to enforce the ones that are convenient. How is this convenient . The books you just said you want to enforce all the laws. The law on the book says if you come to this country illegally youll be separated. Thats not what it says. What law can we enforce . Thats not what the law says. It absolutely says that. It does not. It says if you come across the border, it is a crime. If you come over with children, youre not allowed to keep children in the conditions that you keep adults. Thats on you, to come up with the right proceed ours. And you will be separated. It says you will be separated. And you had no plan for how to take care of them, no plan for what to do with the kids under the law and no way to deal with it quickly. Now youre asking the courts for more time. Thats the solution . Lets lock up kids for longer . Come on. United states has different laws than any other country. Lets go to merit based system. Why dont you lock up some employers . Show people that you are fair handed in this and make them all ms13 and killers . I agree with you, chris. Lets implement everify. They dont do that. Theyre putting kids in cages. They catch a guy in ohio with 100 illegal laborers in his company, he gets a fine. Thats fair . We caught a guy in california who killed kate steinle and he got off. He had been deported five times, came and killed a woman on a peer in california sfle got off because of a trial in which they didnt find him guilty of the charges. Okay. Go ask kates father, who was there, if he killed her or not. You feel for the victims. Im saying that was the law. That was the process. They had a trial. That is what they found. Justice doesnt always make everybody happy. He had been deported five times. I get t he should have never been here. Thats why people have been here. He never should have been here. That doesnt mean all people who come illegally liker like him. Let me end on this. I dont agree. Fine. I dont disagree with you, that everyone is not like that animal who killed kate steinle. The point is this. Is there a there is a way to come to this country legally. We accept more immigrants than any country in the world. If you dont want your children separating your separating the asylum people getting treated like everybody else. The claim isnt getting processed quickly and you didnt plan it out. Thats not true. Will you admit that the way this was done was a mistake . Implementing the law, following the law . The president had to admit it by signing this executive order, whatever it means or doesnt mean. Would you admit this is a mistake . Will you own it . Ill admit this very clearly. No one wants to see their children separated from their parents. You shouldnt have started doing it. This is what happens when you have the law and break the laws. Dont rob a bank with your children. Chris, if you rob a bank with your children, guess what its a fel ony. Not a misdemeanor crossing the border. You showed intent to harm people. If you went to any other country in the world and crossed their border illegally, would you expect to be able to stay with your children . Germany has a much more open you say crime went up. The opposite is true. Their illegal inentries are down. Trump cant get his facts straight. They only accept 198,300. We take 1. 2 million in asylum a year. Thats about demand, right . I appreciate you making it clear to the audience you werent intending to offend people when what you said on tv. We can disagree but not be without decency. Thank you for coming on to clear that up and making the case. Coreylewandowski. The Trump Administration said it reversed course on separating families. Is it true . It depends on which donald trump you want to believe. But for all we know, this is the one thing we have for sure. This is a crisis. Thats what it is. And it is far from over. In fact, we will show you why the worst may lie ahead. [music playing] vo from day one, we always came through for our customers. Its how we earned your trust. Until. We lost it. Today, were renewing our commitment to you. Fixing what went wrong. 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This is about how you choose to enforce it. Why are we having this big problem now if the laws havent changed . Because the policy did. President trump could have stopped all of this with a phone call. The executive order was not necessary. It may not even be operative. The order said it is meant to, quote, maintain family unit. Okay . Thats what he said. So, no separation. But then today, the president said the order is limited and families will still be separated. So which trump is it . The most glaring owe mission from the order . How do you reunitee the 2,300 kids torn from their parents spread all over the country . The administration hasnt provided any details on the plan. Why is that . Is it because all the agencies are confused about what to do now because this has been so haphazard or is it that the president does not intend to expedite reunification . We dont know. Many of these kids, as i said, are hundreds of thousands of miles away. This idea of reuniting them, its getting harder, not easier. The government has trouble tracking kids in this situation and we know that the ownness is still put on the parents, who are often broke and uneducated migrants, to find their own kids. In fact, the administration is now asking the court this is where it gets messy, which is why we designed it this way. Theyre asking the court how long can we keep them . Can we keep them longer . In direct violation of law. Legally dubious at a minimum. The idea that we want to keep them in captivity longer . How is that about making this better . Even if families do get reunited, where will we keep them . These ever swelling ranks of families. The order instructs federal agencies, particularly the defense department, to prepare facilities to house the potentially thousands of families that will be detained. Hhs has reportedly told the military to prepare for up to 20,000 unaccompanied minors on bases in the coming months. So theyre going to round up more people and then figure out where to put them. Is that strength or is that stupidity . To quote a jacket in the news, do they really care . Now i know that my guests want to get in on this. Lets bring them in for the great debate. Van jones and david urban. I put it out there for you, david. Youre shaking your head. Make the case that this situation is okay. No, its not okay. Its a terrible situation, chris. You just outlined on your white board there, your massive white board is a refugee crisis in america. The United States of america is facing a refugee crisis from three countries, el salvador, guatemala, honduras. As corey pointed out earlier, the United States, for the first time, has granted asylum to refugees more than any other country in the world. That says something. The United States needs to take a look at close to 70 million it grants to the organization of american states, oas has 21 members, supposed to be protecting democracy, human rights in the americas. Thats Central America as well. And theyre sitting on their hands doing nothing. The u. N. Commission on refugees, sitting on their hands, doing nothing. Its a big deal across the rest of the world. What does that have to do . Chris, this is what im saying. Its a problem. Youre creating the problem. Im not creating the problem. The problem is created by the highest murder rate in the world. Hold on. In el salvador. If you make their home country safe, chris, if folks arent terrified for their lives in guatemala, el salvador, the only other place thats more violent in the planet is syria. The highest murder per capita in the world. Why are we talking about those things . I think we are, but van why isnt the oas and the u. N. I hear you. The reason were not talking about it primarily is because it is a distraction from the issue of how we are dealing with the people who come across our border. Van jones . The source of the problem is not america. Its where these people are coming from. Fair enough. But the issue of how do we deal with the people who come here from these terrible places. Mr. Urban is making a case in desperation. Thank you, mr. Cuomo. Treat you with respect. Earn it. What is your side of this . Well, there is a minor issue and a major issue. Minor issue is that there a refugee crisis. If we werent doing dumb stuff in the United States, we would be able to address whats happening there. But the major crisis is that theres a moral crisis in america. We have seen a moral collapse. Ever since trump came down that escalator three years ago, he came down, he kept going down and down and down. He has pulled the moral fabric of the country down with him. The good news is that there was a bipartisan across every racial group, every state, moral revolt and rebellion against the trump attempt to reset the moral standard of this country so low, we would have prison camps for babies. Thats where we are. The reality is to go forward now. If this president were serious, he would have done the first thing he would have done i am appointing a czar of family reunification. That person is going to be in the white house. Theyre going to have staff. Theyre going to have interagency power. Theyre going to report to me. Theyve got 30 days to report back to me where every one of these babies none of that happened. I saw this executive order, i was happy. I felt the people spoke and the president responded. The problem is that it looks like it was a stunt. No. Come on. Anybody watching this, my question to anybody watching this is who is responsible in the white house to find these babies and why dont you know . So, van, to answer your question, chris, it is a you know, this is a logistical issue. If the United States government cant track 2,000 folks. I dont know if thats the number, that they dont know where 2,000 parents and kids. I dont know that thats the full number. Lets assume its the full 2,000. Im pretty certain that the department of justice and department of homeland security, department of health and Human Services can all Work Together as van is saying to locate 2,000 folks. Ive heard democrats on the other side of the aisle say this is not an insurmountable task. It will be done. I think it should be done, obviously. Chris, to another point, your white board, its about selective enforcement of the law. As corey outlined earlier, we take more immigrants than anybody. They show up at a port of entry. Thats the law. You show up at the port of entry. You claim asylum. You cant show up in the middle of the desert. Its against the law. Back to van. The problem that we have is that people who were doing it the way that you said, people who were not breaking our law, but were following our law, wound up in the exact same situation and their babies were taken too. Listen, we have a major problem now because inside that building, inside the white house, there seems to be a tug of war, some kind of moral tug of war between people like Stephen Miller who has a bad track record when it comes to racism and nasty elements to seems to be driving an agenda here. Its not about the law. The law didnt change. The implementation changed. That means that there is a decision that was made to get hard, to get tough, to crack down. To enforce the law. Hold on. And then they wouldnt own the fact that they were doing it for deterrent purposes. They want to blame democrats. You want to blame the organization of american states, which i havent even heard of. Constitutional avenue. Everybody but President Trump for President Trumps policies and thats not good. Van, so do you what is your solution of enforcement of border laws . Ive got a solution. Ive been talking to grassroots across the country. Here is the deal. We do want to make sure that people who come here have their claims processed and that they dont just run off into the country and we dont know where they are. Its not good to separate families and put babies in prison by themselves. Its also not good to lock up whole families when you dont have to. You still didnt tell me your policy. Im getting there. Im getting there. Theres a program called community accompaniment. They actually have had a 96 success rate of placing people with American Families and those families get them to court. Its humane. The families stay together. It is 96 effective. Why arent we doing stuff like that . Van, i dont disagree. There are plenty of ways. Chris, you know this from being a lawyer. There are plenty of ways that people are out on parole, probation, check in with their parole officer. Thats a better way. Ankle bracelets. Take some of that 67 million youre spending on an organization thats doing nothing to affect the actual crisis. No, no and the aos money, you want to reallocate it. But youre ignoring the crisis. Okay . With all due respect. Youre ignoring you asked him to give you a solution. He gave you a damn good one that already exists. But you knew about that solution but ignored it. Why . It doesnt meet the mandate. You wanted to show that you are harsh and you will punish the people who will come across. You just didnt prepare for your own success. You didnt prepare with all these people and all these kids and how angry people would get when they started hearing those kids crying. And thats why trump caved. Own it. Listen, i will agree, chris. When you enforce the law that one has done to date its how you enforce it. You can choose to take people who cross the border illegally and prosecute them or not. Theres catch and release or theres not. If youre going to prosecute them shouldnt you have its your choice. Van jones, if youre going to prosecute the law, wouldnt you have thought of how youre going to deal with the overflow, where youre going to keep them, how you keep consistent with the constitution, the soul of your country . Wouldnt you have thought about that first . Sure. The problem is that the white house is being run a little bit like a Reality Television show. Lets try this. Lets try that. Lets see what the audience reaction s im very afraid to make an admission here. I think had it not been for a couple of photographs and a little bit of sound of babies crying, this might have gone on. Its still going on. This may have gone on even more. I dont even think we showed the worst of it, by the way. The president spent more time today trying to make sense of his wifes jacket than he did of how to get these Families Together. Do you remember this occurred in the obama administration, outrage, lawsuits from the aclu . Yes. So, this isnt something thats new. It doesnt make it okay either dorks it . Im not saying its okay. You kind of are. Youre saying we werent upset then. We were upset. No, you werent. Went down to the border and went crazy about it. Did a whole documentary about how they keep people on the border. You guys have to own the facts. You guys decided to do this. Youre trying to make it okay because someone else had a similar situation and you have the president today talking about his wifes jacket, putting more thought into how to blame the media. What about that one, dave . Do you believe that that jacket was about her hating the media . Do you believe that or do you believe the president is lying again . Come on. No, i dont come on, dave. Who would it be about, chris . I dont know. But the idea that its about us, when she invited the media with her makes no sense. And her own spokesperson said it wasnt about that. Right. Its a jacket. Crazy land. Its a jacket. Maybe she should have worn a different jacket. You have to give kudos to the fact that she did stand up to her own husband. She did tweet about it. She did go down there. Maybe she should wear something different. I wish people in her position should stick up more. Dont let the jacket become the issue. The issue is where are these babies . Theyre safe in hhs. I talked to people who have had these babies returned and these babies come back traumatized. They feel like theyre adopting their own kid. Because the kid has been treated badly. Its a horrific situation. Its a terrible situation. Then own it. Dont say theyre safe and sound. Its not like theyre laying on the street, van. Thats not the only alternative. Laying on the street isnt the im not saying its the only alternative. I agree with van. Lets use technology to make it a better system. Last word. We have to wrap it up. Go ahead, van. I had this role in the white hou house. I was a czar, socalled. You have one person who is responsible. Interagency authority. You give them a deadline. You get it done. If that does not happen, people should be in the streets about this. Find these babies. Find the babies. Thats all. I have great confidence in general kelly and others in the white house. Lets see. Appoint somebody. General kelly said he wanted to do this and do it for deterrent effect. Dave urban, you should be the reunification czar. You still have to come on the show. Van jones, thank you very much. Well be right back with the republican who once warned immigrants about the consequences of voting for President Trump. He was a member of president bushs cabinet. 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Is that true . Thats true. The family contacted our office, hiring us to help them, first, get a bond for the mother who is in arizona. Also they asked us, because were local the family, extended family is in North Carolina. They asked us to go and inquiry about the children, their safety, their health and ive gone to the Foster Center where theyre allegedly held. I say allegedly because i have spoken to a social worker. She confirmed that the three children are there. When i asked for more details, what are they doing . What do they eat . Where do they sleep . Are they together, the siblings, i cant get a straight answer. Can you see them . No. Even though you represent them as counsel . I have been unable to see them. They are in my backyard and i cannot see them. I understand the precautions with the theyre minor children. And im assuming that they dont want anybody coming in. But vet me. Allow me to see my clients. Allow me to relay information to the family in North Carolina. Allow me to facilitate whatever is needed to the family in North Carolina while mother is fighting her case for asylum. Have they said anything to you about reunification . My clients family in North Carolina have told me that the center has given them a list of requirements. What does that mean . Requirements that they meet in order to assure that these kids are going to a safe, loving home. And i applaud them for doing that. I honestly do. But these are uneducated clients of mine in North Carolina. They may not know what is needed. Im here to help them facilitate. But you cant help them because you cant get to the kids and coordinate because you cant get access . Im told a supervisor will contact me. Four weeks, i havent been able to one month, you havent seen a 5yearold kid . I havent seen a 5yearold kid, a 10yearold kid, 8yearold kid, supervisor i havent had a sitdown. Has the mother been able to . According to the social worker, the mother has contact with her children. I can only imagine that the lies the mother has to tell these children in order to make sure that they are happy, that they say im just on vacation. Ill be there soon. What does the mom tell you about what she knows about the kids . Because the mother is detained i have limited access to her. You cant get to her either . She has a bond hearing set for june 29th. Ive asked to appear telefon telephonically. If i dont get word by the 28th i have to buy an emergency ticket to fly out to arizona and be with mother at the hearing on the 29th. You said its an asylum case. Yes. Do you believe its a legitimate asylum case . Absolutely. Or someone coming here for an opportunity. A mother would not take and put her children through the dangers that they face what do you know about his situation . I know about the violence shes facing in guatemala. See the violence that theyre face i facing on a daily basis. Not only the violence, the starvation, the hunger, the violence. This is why asylum applications are made for. Let us asylum application. Give us due process. Let the children meet with the lawyer hired to represent them, advocate for them. Why didnt they getg to the port of entry . They had no other opportunity. They were not allowed through at the port of entry. They had no other opportunity. It was go back home and face harm, great bodily harm or cross the border and surrender. I told you before and im going to tell you now on tv. You are fighting a fight that we know that many lawyers are fighting for hundreds of clients at least. As you go through the paces, you will be welcomed back on this show to tell us whats going on because it will be an example of what so many are dealing with. I know thats an army pin on your lapel. I know youre a proud american and i know youre not proud of this situation. We will keep up with you and follow this story. I hope that the agency allows me to see my clients. Counsel, thank you very much. Still no answer on whats going to happen, not just with these kids as beautiful as they are, not to discount them, but theyre one of a huge group. 2,000 kids are scattered all over the country. And any plan to actually fix the system is stuck in partisan mud. Everybody says they care, but nobody is doing their damn job. Lets talk to the man who knows the personal side of this and the policy side. Join i joining us now is the commerce secretary under president george w. Bush, carlos gutierrez. Mr. Secretary, thank you for joining us. Thank you, chris. Pleasure. Want to get your reaction to something that the president said today about the kinds of people that are crossing the border. Please listen. They encourage people, frankly, to walk through mexico and go into the United States because theyre drug traffickers. Theyre human traffickers, theyre coyotes. I mean, were getting some real beauties. Mexico is doing nothing for us except taking our money and sending us drugs. Your reaction . Well, i think its an amazing exaggeration. It is misleading. It is fear mongering. It makes it sound as if though most immigrants who cross the borders are drug dealers or criminals. And that is absolutely false. I wish someone would use numbers, chris, and just put this thing to rest. This is just rhetoric that is incites hatred and incites xenophobia and incites false nationalism. I think its very, very regretful. Now the president says it is none of those things. He makes the case that he has the biggest heart in the world. Hes giving you the facts that the democrats and sympathizers like you want to hide from. Your reaction to that . Lets see the facts. Lets talk numbers. Our unemployment is 3. 8 , little over 3. 8 . The unemployment among undocumented workers is less than 3. 8. Why . Because there are jobs that are open. The reason we have ilLegal Immigration is because our Legal Immigration system doesnt work. And our economy needs the workers. And thats the part that people dont understand or dont want to understand. So, this part of the bill that talked about cutting in half the Legal Immigration, that would be devastating our economy grows in two ways. One is the number of workers and the productivity of those workers. We are supposed to be the party of prosperity. You cannot have prosperity without immigration. There is a feeling now because of this executive order which i would argue is more of a stunt than anything else. It wasnt necessary. This isnt a legal change. He could have changed the policy with a phone call. But there is a sense that its over, that he has fixed it. Yet they wont let us see the inside of the facilities where these kids are kept. We dont know how they are going to reunite kids they have spread all over the country. Why there are kids from texas in new york city i have no idea. What are your concerns about what still is left to be done and how long it will take and what that means for kids in custody . Well, you know, regarding the specific refugees, we need to put them through a process and while they are going through that process they need to be living in conditions that are bearable, conditions that we can be proud of, that we can point to. I know its complicated. It is logistically a nightmare. But we go through this all the time because thats who we are and wed rather do it the hard way, but it reflects the heart of our country. Now the other thing, chris, on immigration at large, we have these refugees. Nothing has changed and we are not going to get immigration reform. I hear people using talking points. Amnesty. Well, anything is amnesty for them. Other people are talking about chain immigration. Chain immigration in our law is stated as family reunification. 80 of our immigration is family reunification. So are they saying they want to go from 80 to zero . If thats the case, we will never get immigration reform. Immigration reform is not building a wall. Its not cutting Legal Immigration by onehalf. If we cut Legal Immigration by onehalf, our ilLegal Immigration will grow because our economy needs it. I dont care how big that wall is. We need to understand that, chris. Mr. Secretary, i appreciate your perspective on this. This is going to be an ongoing conversation. We look forward to having you back. Thank you, sir. Look forward to it. Thank you. All right, look, it is hard to cover a crisis when they wont let us see whats happening in the detention centers. Why is that . Why are we being blocked . Ill tell you why. We need more truth and transparency. It is part of our Closing Argument next. Getting serious. That moving out of the friend zone, moving in together and getting two of everything thing. Those fur babies preparing you for real babies thing. 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The first lady was going to visit the border to show she cares about kids in captivity even though the architect of their despair is her husband who took them from their parents. Now that was odd. But then it got bizarre when she wore this to the plane. I dont care what the first lady cares, but at first i thought this message was fake. It isnt. Her spokesperson said the jacket means nothing. There is no meaning. You could argue shouldnt it have said i really do care but whatever. Then the president tweets this. I really dont care, do you, written on the back of melanias jacket refers to the fake news media. Melania learned how dishonest they are and she truly no longer cares. This makes no sense at all. So the first ladys spokesperson lied and then melania decided to invite the media to go with her even though she hates them. That makes sense . Now something that makes perfect sense. Melania didnt go to a facility with young kids. No toddlers, infants, preschoolers. She saw kids who can be vulnerable from 12 to 17, but not the little ones. Why . Wouldnt be as shocking or as troubling. She had cameras with her and around her. They dont want you to see the reality. They dont want you to see the kids crying, to get a feel for their fear and the worries of those who are overwhelmed by the situation, one the president created to make a point a point that has blown up in his face and forced him to do what he has never done to back off. But please dont be fooled. This is far from over. Two points. Trump says you have to arrest everybody because if you let them go they never show at court. 75 show. Programs exist to get it over 90 . Those are the facts. Now feelings. Take a look at these kids, please. Ive got some at home that look just like this, about the same ages. So do many of you. These kids arent allowed to see their mom, their lawyer . You know theyre isolated, afraid. Thats the ugly truth. I cant believe we arent better than this. Kids taken from their parents, scattered across the country, crowded into tight spaces, overwhelmed staffs, the Military Building camps for them. This is a recipe for disaster. Im not some cynic or fatalist. I dont want this to happen, but we both know what this is a recipe for. Everybody says they dont want it to happen. But we still see the president not doing anything to get these Families Together. That executive order was more stunt than solution. And congress, still using this situation as leverage in a larger policy battle. Ladies and gentlemen, do your damn job. You will all be judged for this moment. Thats the Closing Argument. Thank you for joining me tonight. Cnn tonight with don lemon starts now. Good to see you, my friend. Thats what we are going to be discussing on this program as well. Who are we . Are we a country that separates parents from their children at the border . This is the time for us to figure that out. I think this is a very pivotal moment. Well discuss that. By the way, that jacket i was torn about that, whether i should cover it or not. But because its a couple minutes off of the topic which is children in cages and the horrible situation happening at the border, but still, how can you tone deaf is the least of the phrases. And what the president said. Yeah. He came out there, used it as