Socalled fake news, clearly the president has no such distaste for fake movie trailers on the ridiculist. Thats it for us. Er to chris atching 360. I cuomo. Cuomome starts now. Chris. Thank you very much, anderson. I am chris cuomo, and welcome to primetime. The potential new face of the gop that President Trump is cultivating. G newsoday. The man who gets the trump seal of approval in a major senate race in virginia. His name is Corey Stewart. And the president says he is a winner despite the fact that he has backed some white nationalists. Now, facts be facts, he won the republican nomination for senate last night in virginia. And he joins primetime in moments. Plus i protect mr. Trump. Thats what it is. President trumps personal lawyer back in the news. People close to the president fearing Michael Cohen may be ready to flip. Former trump aide and cohen friend sam nunberg is here and says he knows the real deal. And fresh off his meeting with one othe most brutal dictators on the planet, President Trump says americas biggest enemy is not north korea, certainly not russia, not even isis. Can you guess . Ill give you a hint. Lets get after it. All right, defending confederate symbols, cottoning. None of that kept Corey Stewart the president of the United States, and more votes than the rest of the gop field in the primary for the virginia u. S. Senate seat. No small feat. Stewart, who served as the state director of Donald Trumps campaign for part of 2016 seems to be part of a new movement within the gop. So what exactly does he represent . And who does he represent . A eople are ta about him tonight. Lets test him directly. Republican Virginia Senate candidate Corey Stewart, welcome to primetime. Thanks, chris. Thanks for having me on your show again. Lets put up the president s tweet you. Congratulations to Corey Stewart now he runs against a total stiff, tim kaine, wants to raise your taxes through the roof. Dont underestimate corey. A major chance of winning. Why do you believe you won the primary . Well, i won the primary because im a strong supporter of President Trump. Hes a very strong hes got a great, you know, a story to tell. Improving the economy, the lowest Unemployment Rate since the early 1970s. And now, a big success in the Foreign Policy front as we remove the Nuclear Threat from north korea. Something that we have been living under for several years now. So my strong support for President Trump, plus the fact that republicans are looking for a fighter, somebody whos going to kick the teeth out of tim kaine. And its what kind of fight youre going to fight, right . Lets play a little bit of the message you had for the masses. You can choose the past, with everything we know that has failed. And thats Hillary Clintons running mate tim kaine. [ chanting lock him up ] that might just happen, by the way. Lock up tim kaine, youre a lawyer. Do you really believe that tim kaine should be in jail or is that a trumpist joke . I believe tim kaine has been at the center of all the stuff youre seeing with regard to the fbi. You know, the whole problem is the fbi spying by a federal agency on a president ial campaign. No proof. Continue, no proof. Were not in a court of law, are we . That doesnt mean the truth doesnt apply,brother. It started with democrats and the commonwealth of virginia, and tim kaine is at the center of this. I would not be surprised if theres an investigation of tim kaine beforehe year is out. You wouldnt be surprised but you have no reason to believe it. What im asking you is what are you selling there, tim kaine should go to jail . Theyre spying when you have no proof. Are you selling people on things that are want true but will make them angry . Is that your vibe . You think virginians are a bunch of naive people that will believe anything. People have to ask themselves, what has tim kaine accomplished in his six years in the United States senate. Tim kaine cant point to a single accomplishment in the United States senate for virginia or virginians. The only thing that tim kaine has done in the past six years is run for Vice President , and he didnt even do a very good job at that, i might add. Thats a fair political argument, and hell have to answer for it. Its different than saying the guy should be in jail and making up, you know, rumors about there being spying. One is factual, one is just an ugly feeling. Now kaine is defend himself. Heres what he has said about you, by the way. He called you a cruder imitation of donald trump who stokes White Supremacy and would be an embarrassment for virginia if elected. Thats what his spokesperson said about you. He does seem to be getting echo effect within your own party. Mr. Stewart. The former Lieutenant Governor of the state of virginia said im extremely disappointed than someone like stewart could win the republican nomination for u. S. Senate. Clearly not the Republican Party i once knew, loved, and proudly served. Every time i think things cant get worse, and there is no they do, and theres no end in sight. Then you have a big shot when it comes to the Republican Party, and who they picked for senate, and he said this look, we have a big map, and right now, were focused on florida, north dakota, missouri, indiana. Big map, and i dont see virginia in it. Senator gardner, not giving you love. The former Lieutenant Governor in your party, no love, but trump giving you love. Does this mean you are the party that President Trump want to cultivate . Gardner and the others are going to come around. A lot of hurt feelings. I beat their guy. They didnt support President Trump back in the day either. Whats happening inside of the an party is the party ischangin. Its becoming the party of the little guy. Once upon a time, it was the s party of t working guy. No l they slammed the door in their face and now its President Trump and the new Republican Party that is supporting working americans, bluecollar workers. That why were winning states like michigan, wisconsin, ohio, and pennsylvania, and were about to take back virginia as well. Thats why trump may have won them, but im talking about you. You seem to be cottoning to a very specific brand of humanity. And youre right. It is a little guy that you are being a part of, but its a little hateful guy. You have a well pronounced past of saying that you agree with and that you like people who push ugly, bigoted, intolerant, and racist notions. Hey, thats a level of lie thats just not true, chris. Even for cnn thatnot true . Is there any level of lie that is true . Thats not the case. Ill make the case to you. Ill condemn, including on your program, any White Supremacists or bigots. We want nothing to do with that. The left have. Y thing you and you claim you play the race card every time because its the only thing you have. The president has a success of bringing back forget about the president. Im talking about you right now. This is about you. Thats what im supporting. And who you have represented as your friends, heroes, and likeminded inviduals. Put up the fact sheet here. These are the facts. Not about my feelings, okay . This guy nealon, and im not going to give him too much attention because he doesnt deserve it. 2016, shares tweets defenng an antisemitic twitter user. You knew that. And yet in january 2017, you called your peonal hero. That is not the case. Heres the thing absolutely the case. I have the proof of it. Are you going to let me get a chance to respond or is it all about you . Out the facts. You have to live with them. Youre not giving me the chance to respond. This is typical. This is typical for you. Heres the situation. Everybody supported paul nehlen. Presidp saice things about him, ann coulter, the late Phyllis Schlafly does. And after that, after all of that, then about a year later, then, you know, he says he starts coming out with all these terrible things, those antisemitic things. Bigoted th. At that point, of course, we wanted nothing to do with it. We all distanced ourselves from him. Not true. Back in the day, he was not like that. Put back up the timeline. Not true. Demonstrablyse. Here are the facts for the audience. Nehlen then writes about islam not being a religion of peace and t of uglier stuff i didnt want to put out for the audience. He then talks about the Lieutenant Governor, the then governor, sorry, of south carolina, and calls her something in an ugly way. He then retweets 9 11 would have been a wonderful day without immigrants. What do you do after that . You give him money f his campaign. Okay . That is not true at all. Then only later when he takes it another step, and you decide that you want to reach oo people who may not share your likeminded bigotry, you then say youre denying him. What do i have wrong on the facts. Theres the timeline. I dont agree with any of th. You dont have to agree with it, but can you disprove it. Before you say nice about anybody, do you look at what they said in the past. When youre talking about youre trying to change the topic from the fact this president has been successful its not about the president. Because of that, hes going to bring me and the other repub line, ans going to be a red tide this november. Listen, maybe it will, maybe it wont. Iwill be. But you represent something different. Okay . You have cottoned told you what i represent. I t Corey Stewart believes. Told you. I dont beliy of those things you mentioned. Why did you call somedy who is an antisemite and an obvious bigot your hero. Let me ask you this question. Are you going to have tim kaine on this program . If hell say yes. All rigou ask him this question. M kaine aim kaine whether he condemned antifa oh, please. A dom organization that takes people with political beliefs of which his son is a member. Answer for you and he will answer for him. You never ask those on the left the far left like tim kaine who condemn thats not true. We have had this conversation before, and its about you trying to play an equivalency game. You never condemn the extremists on your side. I have condemned the extremists on the right time and time again. Forget about the left, forget about trump. Focus on you. He picked you. He likes you. He likes what youre about. I want to talk about what you are about. Cause this guy nehlen the only one in your past, now is he . You also cotton to someone else named hines. You took his endorsement. This is the guy who took the shot at nikki haley, saying our sikh governor. By the way, shes not a sikh. This is the man who took a Confederate Flag and marched down saying a statue of arthur ashe was offensive to his heritage. You backed him. You have never denied him. Why . You know, i dont agree with any of thosengs you said. Its all true. Chris, what youre trying youre trying to deny your past but its there like an ugly shadow. Youre trying to change the topic. Thats you in front of a Confederate Flag taking his endorsement. By the way, your own father said antisemitic things. Did you condemn him . Oh, please. My father isand buried and was ten times thman youll ever be on your best day. So stay comparing yourself to gots that you cotton to. You never want todemn to extremism on your own side of theile. There is none on my side of the aisle. My aisle is the truth. Was that a Confederate Flag you were in front of taking that mans endorsement, yes or no . Let me tell you something. Yes or no. You want to condemn everything you cant even answer the question said. You want to condemn southern heritage. I dont want to condemn anything e you tell me, how does a statue of arthur ashe offend your idea of southern heritage. I never said it did. You never said he was wrong, did you . I dont agree with that statement. Why did you never say that. How many times do i have to tell you what i believe. Why dont you condemn that now . This is the guilt by association that the left of course, it is. Youre in front of a Confederate Flag. Accepting the endorsement of a known hater. What are you talking about . Have you ever condemned antifa . Mr. Stewart answer the question, chris. Two points of fact, one, thats irrelevant, and two, im not running for public office. Am i running for senate in virginia . Do i want people to accept me as their designated leader before congress . Youre trying to change the topic. The topic is the economy. Youre the topic. Youre trying to change the topic and deny the facts. The topic is making the world safe in the Korean Peninsula, and people are sick and tired of the far left like you and tim kaine trying to change the topic. Ill tell you youre the topic. And heres what you need to do. Heres my suggestion. You do with it what you will. Own what and who you are. Obviously, the Trump Team Knows who you are and they like you. Dont run away from your past. Dont run away from the things you obviously embrace. This is such a joke, even for cnn. If you want to be if you want to be intolerant and be a bigot and be in front of the Confederate Flag, why cant you be honest . Why cant you just say the o u know that . Ght ort you as did you take his endorsement, mr. Hines, yes or no, did you take it . I take support from whoever wants to give it to me. It doesnt mean i support their views. That does not mean i support their views. You think you can take the support of somebody i dont have anything to do with anybody who is racist or bigoted. Hold on a second. Letst unpack that. He forrt on what i believe. I dont believe any of those things youre trying to accuse me of. I want to repeat what you said. First of all, of course, theres guilt by association. Dont associate with known dirtbags and you wont be guilty of doing that. Thats your problem, not mine. You just said, i will accept the support how come you havent condemned antifa . Antisemites, White Supremacists, thats a nice way of describing them. You said something, i want the audience to hear this. Hold on. Hoa. Hold on a second. Yre talking a lot. I want the audience to hear what you said. I will accept the support of anyone, it doesnt mean i accept their views. Youre not letting me talk. The chris cuomo show. You talk all the time. Thats why its the chris cuomo show. If youre not going to answer the questions, you dont get to just yammer on on this show. Thats what youre doing. Im trying to get confront the facts. I have listened to what you said. You cant deny a single fact. The party nominated an antisemite in virginia. Last night, last night, the Democratic Party nominated an district Congressional District in virginia, and youre not even reporting that. Why is that . Who . Who . What are you talking about. She was nominated last t. m. Im talking about you, mr. Stewart. How come how does anybody else we have an avowed antisemite democrat there is no avowed antisemite anything except the one i may be speaking toight now. Ill tell you what. Im happy to look into that. Im happy to look into that, but i want you to answer questions for a change. Dont blame me for being extreme left. Thats a joke. You dont deny youre a leftist. Its your attempt to deny the facts. This is the biggest joke i have heard in long time. You think thats a big joke. Wait until what happens on election day if you dont own what you really are. The only way you have a chance of getting any kind of positive momentum is if youre truthful about who you are. The record is clear. The record is clear. Coming from cnn talking about truth, thats got to be a joke. Tell me what i said that is untrue. Did you call nehlen i dont believe any of that. You called him your hero. Why did you call h your hero . He was complimented by a lot of people why did you call him your hero . It was because he took on paul ryan and i dont support paul ryan. What about his ugly views . It doesnt matter who he is or what he believes. How many times do we have to discuss this . Why would people watch your show, were going around in a circle. Were going to keep going like a merrygoround til it stops. You can do that if you want. Im glad for the time. Youre helping me with my name recognition. Thats wonderful. A known antisemite. A guy who says arthur ashe is offensive to his heritage. At the time that he was complemented by me and several others put back up the timeline. He was not. Heres the timeline. He came up with those crazy ideas much later. 2016 the comments he may have made, i wasnt aware of them at the time. Hes a personal hero of yours saying. Dont know what hes really . This is the guilt by association. Guilt by association. 100 . Guilt by association. You know, the left learned a lot fr mccarthy. Theyre trying to mccarwas mild comto the guys youre hanging out with, Corey Stewart. The guy you just took an endorsement from. I do like you. Youre a nice guy, but youre far left. And youre not fair. Lets say im so far left that im almost right. How does it change any of the things im asking you about. You didnt rebut a single factual assertion tonight. You didnt i just got done like four times. That you had previously said or done. Not one of them. Yet, the president of the United States thinks that you should be the senator for virginia. You know something. You agree with that, dont you . When youre losing the argument, you know what you do . You know what the left does . They play the race card. They play the race card. We have a president you dont think that card applies . A guy with a Confederate Flag waving around. The biggest tax cut since 1986. The economy is thriving. Unemployment is the lowest since the 1970s. Would be nice if wages were rising as well. Some guy who is no longer relevant said s ago. Think about how much of a joke. We havace breaking out on the Korean Peninsula for the First Time Since 1950. And youre talking about what paul nehlen, a failed lunatic, said several years ago. Because you called him your personal hero. You have a guy who worked on his staff working on your campine now. You have one of his guys on your team and you took an endorsement from someone who says arthur ashe is disrespectful to his heritage. You know what. Those are the facts. Look, all kinds of people come out and support my campaign. I dont go through tntire list. You know who these people are. You walked iont of a Confederate Flag to take his endorsement. Have you ever run a campaign . Not one like yours. You dont go through the list dont do a background check on everybody who endorses your campaign. You called him your personal hero. You have a guy working for you that you know worked for him. This is silly. This interview is done. I gave you a chance to own what you have done in the past. Well see how the election goes for you. Youre too much, chris. Its about the truth and owning what things are, especially when the president s to get behind someone you. Good entertainment on cnn. Entertaining to you, its truth for the rest of us. Take care. All right. Now, what do you see on the other side of the party from that . That which trump is trying to cultivate. Thats the guy hes backing in virginia. Check it for yourself. Check everything i said for yourself. Its all demonstrably true. Theres another face to the party, bob corker. 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Dream more, dream faster, and above all. Now, ill dream gig. Now more businesses, in more places, can afford to dream gig. Comcast, building americas largest gigspeed network. Ill dream gig. All right, so here we are a year and a half into the trump presidency, and many republicans in Congress Still would never dare to challenge him. They dont even speak out about anything he says, no matter how aggressive it might be. Lets look at mark sanford. He did. And he became the latest casualty in the fight for the future of the gop last night. He lost his race. Senator bob corker is fed up withhose who refuse to stand up for the president. Listen to what he sa were in a strange place. I mean, its almost, you know, its becoming a cultish thing, isnt it . Its not a good place for any partp with a cultlike situation as it relates to to a president that happens to be of purportedly of the same party. Now, its interesting. There, candid, rdirect to the p. Speaking truth to power. Also not running again. And that seems to be a common theme. If you want to stay in, you stay away from going after the pred. We have ana naand jason miller. Lets take care of easy business. Sorry to dump this in your lap, but have to. You dont want to own Corey Stewart, do you . Hat who you want as the face of your party . I think the face of the party is president donald trump. Were doing a lot of winning with President Trump. Thats who trump picked. Thats why im asking. Old on, but the ent also has a lot of great picks like Marsha Blackburn in tennessee. Theyre really the future of the party when you talk about who we look to beyond President Trump. Theyre couple of the superstars. I dont know mr. Stewart well. He has to up his game if hes going to be a serious candidate in the fall. You talk about kind of the present and future for the party is President Trump. Hes supporting a lot of winners out there. Ana navarro, the president tweets oh, honey. Can i ll you something . He tweets corey is the guy. Jason miller doesnt have to own Corey Stewart. Because sweetheart, you just did. For the last two segments. That is the most entertaining 15 minutes i have watched on tv in a long, long time. Forget the raccoon cam, the nel. Just give me chris cuomo owning white nationalists. Thank you very much. Keep making your point. Look, it was truth serum. It was i mean, this guy was some sort of just crazy, right . Bringing up your deceased father, telling you youre far left. Then when he cant answer, he starts cackling and laughing because its his crutch to not being able to own up to his past and his past actions and his past endorsements. Its a sad time. Its a time when we see republicans attracting folks like pedophiles, attracting folks like neonazis. Attracting actually some actual nazis that have run and are running as candidates. So, you know, its a hard time. I will tell you its a sad time. Corker says, jason, its a cultish period in the party. And hes talking about the nature of who supporhe president and what that support has to entail. Do you think the president needs to worry about that going forward, that at some point hes got to let people in his party be who they want to be and say what they want to say, and you cant just to crush everybody that doesnt agree with everything you say . Well, i would completely disagree with the way senator corker set that up. If were being honest here, lets remember senator corker wanted to be vp. He wanted to be secretary of state. He didnt talk like this when he wanted to get one of those positions. But now that his poll numbers are terrible, he would lose his own primary, now that hes not running again and Marsha Blackburn who is going to be a fantastic improvement for the people of tennessee, shes going to be the next senator from tennessee. Now corker is talking like this. Heres the thing that i think people are missing in this overall debate. Yes, the words and the rhetoric that corker is throwing out is like chum for folks in the media, but the bottom line is the party has changed but corker has not. So when you look at President Trumps top priorities, taxes, radical islamic terrorism, where corker is on both trade and on immigration are not at the same spot as where the rest of the Republican Party is. Thats not true, jason. A lot of opposition on trade within his own party. Theyre just not saying anything your party has never been in favor of hold on. Chris, hold on. I hear your point. Lets get ana in here. Its changed. Its changed, but corker hasnt. Hes woken up and said, whoa, th 2006 anymore. He no longer connects with his constituents. Thats why hes leaving so he doesnt lose in the primary to a strong conservative who supports the president s agenda. A real quick thing i have to say here, you notice when President Trump goes out and endorses a candidate, he never says im supporting this candidate because theyre loyal to me. He says im supporting this candidate because theyre going to support the maga agenda. Theyre onboard with taxes, trade, immigration. He doesnt have to say that because thats the only universe of people that issible with him in terms of everyone hes picked so far. Go ahead. Thats like a dog whistle. Maga is basically equivalent to trump. I think its a little more nuanced and complicated than trump or not trump. You know, i think theres certainly different factions in the Republican Party when it comes to policy. There are still a lot of free trade globalist proimmigration reform, profamily values republicans. A lot of them in congress. But what youve got is a group of folks in congress, a lot of them, and Republican Party, who are quaking in their boots. They are cowards. They are afraid to speak up becathey are afraid to run the same fate, to face the same fate as a mark sanford or a jeff flake. Then youve got folks who have compromised and sold their principles because theyre making money. Because theyre relevant. People who are, you know, pretending to be what theyre not because trump gives them is a money train because trump gives them relevancy, gets them on tv or gets them lobbying contracts or whatever. And then there is a very loyal base that actually believes and actually venerates and worships anything that trump says, admits and allowed zero criticism of the guy, and that is somewhat cultish. Speak like him, they talk about winning, they talk about maga, they talk about fake news. You know, they repeat his same idioms and his same words over and over again like robots. But ainly, until donald trump showed up as bob corker says, purportedly a republican, lets remember he was a democrat. Lets remember he was independent. Lets remember how many times he has changed positions on policy issues over and ovin. Before he showed up, we were a party that was protrade, against deficits, that was proglobalization. Strong Foreign Policy. A lot of things that have changed under donald trump. Chris, very policy difference here that i would point out that i dont think ana is quite grasping here. A lot of candidates went into 2016 believing in their minds they hne set notion of where the Republican Base was. As we got into that summer of 2015, what every other candidate not named donald trump realized is that they were wrong on thes trade, and it was donald trump who is the one who actually connected with them, and so there was this disconnect between the party elites, the jeb bushes of the world, the marco rubios of the world. And actual grassroots activists who are the conservatives driving the party, and when donald trump showed up it shows your party is in favor of the dreamers. President trump connected with those people and thats why he whipped everyone in the primaries. Thats why he was ablereach out be Republican Base theres also Something Else, jason, right . Republicans are against tariffs, for example. But they are scared out of their minds. Theyre for american jobs. See, heres where we have who isnt . Yeah, for apple pie and puppies. We have a legit policy difference. Heres the disconnect, is that certain Republican Leaders thought that you could never talk about tariffs. You could never talk about standing up for america. But what trump has done is ecting with , and again, not just even the Republican Base. Were talking people in blue states and purple states of pennsylvania, michigan, the other places where trump put together this winning trump coalition. And he was able to connect with them. Jason, first of all, lets not overstate his reach because he lost the majority vote. Okay. And that means that this was tactical. He found strength and weaknesses that the democrats didnt address, and he wound winning. He didnt have some overwhelming mandate of the American People saying were about everything he is. You have to address Something Else, jason. I dont want to get that deep into trade. We know what the sides of the issue are. We know what hes tal. Hes had thion since the 80s. I think theres going to be a disconnect there. I want to ask you about Something Else because this is fundamental to our discussion. He didnt just talk policy and thats what he won. He talked less policy than just about anybody else. He connected with feelings. All right. Often harsh feelings. Feelingsg disenfranchised, anger, anger towards others. Us versus them. We see it playing out with this bs about whos the biggest enemy for the United States. Even for a president to joke this way, jason, its not north korea. And by the way, these human rights things with kim, a lot of people have done a lot of bad things. What . The media is the real enemy to us. What . Right, so chris how can you endorse the president saying Something Like that, even in jest . I need to back up real quick on one thing, when you talk about the president , and i think youre trying to set down the predicate he was a big divider in 2016. Which he wasnt. He was actually someone who gave a lot of hope and a lot of optimism, particularly when it came to the economy. s how he was able to get democrats. Thats how he did two points better with africanameric three points better but still in the basement with them. Do you see the president as a uniter . It was an improvement over mitt romney, mr. Milquetoast softy. Romney is going to win in utah. He is running hard. Lost in 2012. Hta. Well, fine. But listen, jason, part of the reason donald trump won was not only because he was a divider but because he had 16 other reans, traditional republicans who embraced traditional values who were stepping all over each other. Im not sure if it had been a oneonone or a oneontwo that would have happened. Its a theoretical question, a hypothetical, but of course hes a divider. Its hard not to say hes no divider when youve got a guy who equates neonazis with people protesting against them. If thats not divisive, i dont knowt is. President trump gave people a message of optimism when it came to the economy. He was going to stand up and fight for them and give them more opportunity. You know what . Two years later, you go across the board, virtually every demographic. This is a perfect example. Do you agree with him that im the biggest enemto the American People . No, but i think President Trump is living rentfree and many members of the media when he says Something Like that. Why would he say that . Hes pushing folks buttons because there was a lot of do you think thats a responsible thing for a person to say . Clearly, the biggest threat to the country is the threat of a nuclear iran. Thats not what he says. He says were safe. The north korea threat is gone. Chris, i think hes living in your head rentfree. I dont think you can get so triggered when the president says Something Like that. Clearly, hes not being serious about that. If you think the president is living in my head rentfree, you dont know me well. Ana, make your point. Im so sick of people saying that when he says something stupid, when he says something outrageous, when he says something hostile, when he says something divisive, when he says something that does not comport with American Values it is a joke. It is not a joke. Hes the president of the United States. And hes got a bully pulpit. Bu and over again. This is don quixote fighting with windmills. He fabricates. He comes up with, he manufactures artificial culture wars in america, whether it is kneeling, whether it is confederate monuments. Whether it is the charlottesville issue. Whether its the press. This is what he does to keep the flamesoing, to feed red meat to a base, to have us be antagonistic toward each other. To feed this division because its what keeps him in power. And its always helpful to him or anybody in power to sow doubt in the minds of people who would check that power. You both made good points and i appreciate the conversation. Thanks to both of you for being on the show. Be well. All right, Michael Cohen, the president s personal attorney, is apparently shoppingew attorney for himself. And that has some in President Trumps circle worrying that cohen may be about to flip. Now, our next guest comes from trump worl knows cohen well. He says thoubling fact isnt that cohen is lookin s. Its that he has lost his search for loyalty. This is important for people with asthma. Yes. Its a targeted medicine proven to help prevsevere asth, and lower oral steroid use. About 50 of people with severe asthma have too many cells called eosinophils in their lungs. 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You can count on geico saving folks money. Pressure, what pressure . The pls on the. All right, so long before ld trumps business better w than his personal lawyer, Michael Cohen. With federal prosecutors digging through his records, cohen is out shopping for new lawyers. The president s big on loyalty. But does that mean giving it or just getting it . Is the case against cohen about crimes or flipping a witness . Former Trump Campaign aide sam nunberg has spent some time himself answering questions from the feds, and he knows Michael Cohen, and he knows the trump dynamic. Lets ask him. Hes a perfect guest. Welcome to primetime. Thank you very much, sir. Lets get this out of way. Do you believe Michael Cohen is looking to flip . Not right now. I dont know whats going to happen in the future. I think this, from everything i have heard, only from press and from, you know, third degree out, i have to be careful because the special counsel, by the way, watches my interviews. I have not spoken to michael. This is about switching lawyers, legal fees, things like that. Once again, the rnc has been very selective iwho they have helped. They paid massive amounts for some and not others. Not his. Not his, at least as of now. Or filing, had them giving cohen money to a law fir through a law firm that is part of a joint Defense Agreement for the mueller probe. But his Southern District case, which is where hes got the ho water, if any, they have not given him any. Smart by mueller to move this to the Southern District. It would hurt mueller. Mueller has been hurt politically, hear me out, hurt politically, because rudy is right, this will be a political fight for the president. Midterms are step one, as steve bannon said. Hes been right because of the manafort issue with what hes charging manafort with, the special counsels office, you know, and theyre getting pushback on that. Its helped the president. The president s been right to show, look, theyre going after all these things that have nothing to do with the election. Nothing to do with russia. We dont even know how manafort may get a decision in his favor in terms of the constitutionality and legitimacy that process doesnt look like its going well for manart. Also because of the indictment manafort got. Mueller was smart to bring that in the interim. That was an interesting tactical move. He gave manafort two bites at the apple before he indicted him for the tampering. He told him he knew about the tampering. There was no action. Then he said well mess with your release rules because of the tampering, and nothing happened. En he dicted. We dont know what these guys know. I heard millions of theories wh. Mueller has had 150plus subpoenas. All i tell you is what he called me in for, as i have said publicly, including some of my grand jury testimony, i was on the campaign for six weeks. Can was the firs re, but i wasnt there for long. The majority of , besides me getting reamed out for my theatrics earlier in the week, lets say an hour and a half about roger stone and assange, i talked about this. Another two, two and a half hours, it had nothing to do with the campaign. I dont know what theyre looking into. Perhaps mueller just sent this out because they found enough on michael that they view there could be a potential case. I dont know. But his movement of the matter to the Southern District gives him legitimacy because he didnt keep a case even if it would have been allowed within his purview. Thats what im saying. If you read the mandate from tein, he looks for crimes and activities tha collusion and that grow out of that look. Thats how we got monica lewinsky. He could do things. We dont see them. Theres connective tissue with russia with the manafort allegations, how they connect to any collusion argument, we dont know if at all. Back to cohen. So why are trump folk worried that he might flip . Well, i mean, theyre putting a lot of pressure on him. First of all, look, michael is, to me, a tragic figure. You know, i was attacked by the president. You and Maggie Haberman on for this interview. I said to her on the record when anybody else complains to me, im a guy who saw donald trump speaking at cpac in 2011, and i just knew this guy can get elected president. There was something about him. Theres just, he had the walk, the same way obama had the walk in 2004. Hes a star. And michael believed there are only two people in the trump inner circle who not only believed donald trump was going to win the gop primary but was going to win the presidency. And it was 100 that he was going to win. You know who they were . Michael cohen and our first lady. The only te i kn. I was very worried. Ought we had a good chance to win the primary. Michael cohens devotion and loyalty to trump has been 100 , but has it been returned . Absolutely not. Absolutely not, its not been returned. Thats the trump peoples concern. Cohen, you could argue, has been left out in the wind. He has been left out in the wind. Remember, he is the prime example of, you , noboen treate. I have been treated badlby donald. Im a complicated guy because i support his presidency. But me personally, i have personal issues with him. And michael didnt even know up before then president elect trump swore in that he wasnt going into the white house. He walked around with a chip on his shoulder that he thought this was steve bannon and reince priebus. Theyre in a transition, didnt have the power to get all their people in. It was jared. Jared told his once michael rightly advised then president elect trump it would be problematic to bring jared in ser,ared got wind of this. Jared ultimately not only had michael leave not only had michael not join the white hous his office he loved from trump, down the hall from president elect trump. Why does he maintain his loyalty, if he didnt get the payoff of the promise of believing in somebody running for president , which is to go in there and work for the administration, why does he remain loyal . Maybe he doesnt have anything, for all we know. Perhaps he doesnt. He cant flip because he doesnt have anything to offer them on trump in the first place . Perhaps. Thats the thing, we dont know, as you well know, you have been around this, besides your political history with your father and youre a lawyer. You have covered this. We dont know what they have. We especially dont know. He hasnt even been indicted. He hasnt been indicted. I can tell you my voluntary, they asked me every single central figure i knew well, what did i know about their busine . Thank god i didnt know a lot about their businesses. Thank god i was also just this but cohen does. Sure. Michael does. And the other issue, one question theyre obviously, and this is already public, so i hope the special counsel doesnt get mad at me, but theyre asking a trump tower moscow. That to me was a verbig mistake, frankly by michael. It wasnt in the best interest of donald trump to do that project during the prima. Youre talking about the moscow tower and all of that. But none of that has been sourced as being something that was nefarious at the time. It doesnt. The problem it is doesnt pass. Once again, where Rudy Giuliani is right, mayor giuliani is that this is eventually going to be a political knife fight for the presidency, which is why the mid terms are so important. But if it is going to be a political knife fight, why would you alienate the guy with arguably the longest blade in Michael Cohen . But he hasnt. And thats where im very impressed in the president right now because the president almost said that in that fox friends interview, and i was on this a couple weeks before the show. I said better be careful. He may claim he doesnt like this network. I know he is watching. He is probably watching this. Be careful, because the worst thg that the president can do because michael has this devotion to him which is to do what the president loves to do which is what he love did to me. He called me a parttime consultant. Youre talking a guy just as an example, this isnt me getting accolades. He knows whator i wasnt low level. A lot of the stuff i helped him with, he used long after i was kicked out. What he almost did with michael, he said hes just some lawyer who worked on this stupid deal for him. Very small part of my business thats why i think rudy has done a great job. Rudys the guy who can sit down, gets the president , knows the president , understands him, look. Lets say when you and i are at his new yorkers and he can commute communicate with him and rudy has been fantastic. And the numbers dont lie. He has been effective. You can look at his political pole. He certainly shifted the narr the president as limited exposure. You could easily argue the president should have more exposure. Sam nunberg, this was very helpful. Perspective. Appreciate your thank you. We have more to discuss. Don lemon, the man standing by with a preview of cnn tonight. What are you serving up . Its a big night here. I want to talk about this issue of immigration and people coming across the border illegally. One story that stuck out to us, this woman in a detention center, she is are from honduras, breastfeeding her child, chris. When she resisted them taken the child away, she was handcuffed, the child was taken away while she was Breast Feeding her. The zero tolerance policy, it is fair . Is it humane . Why is the United States government doing that . 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Of course it does because he has said something similar to that when asked about his deference to vladimir putin. Despite his attacks on freedom. You remember when askedbout pu he treats people and Civil Liberties and human rights, he says well, the u. S. Has done bad things as well. Now, where President Trump is unqualified,here he insists on pointing out how absolutely terrible something is when it comes to a free press. Trump tweeted this. Our countrys biggest enemy is the fake news, soy promulgated by fools. First, good use of promulgated. Second, you must be joking, right . Really ignore despots and existential threats just to vilify a signature democratic institution. Well, thats the question. The answer is sure he can. If you assume that President Trump only regards somet asa th him personally. All i can say is its totally fake news. Its just fake. Were the fake its fake. Phony. Fake. The fake news said, i dont think donald trump wants to build the wall. Did you seek to fire robert muel fake news, folks. Fake news. News. T was just fake news. Its frankly disgusting the way the press is able to write whatever they want to write. A few days ago, i called the fake news the enemy of the people, and they are. They are the enemy of the people. You always have to like how the president says something and decides he believes it and repeats it. Look, is there room for criticism of the media, of course there is. Of course there is. Of course theres reason t like certain coverage, think its unfair, but you pick and chose right, you dont judge an entire outlet, you judge a piece you judge a person. And thats how we scrutinize the media, and we should. Now, the media is the people. It reaches all small and large, all races and creeds. And you know if the media is to work for the people standin. I am here to be the advocate for your interests in speaking truth to power. The point is these despots are not a threat to trump personally, but the truth does threaten him personally. Scrutiny of his words and deeds, he takes that as a threat. Now wt would this mean if it was true . It would mean that the president is willing to put his own interests between yours, your families, even americas. Thats what it would mean, right . Dont ask me. He said it. But, thats what it would suggest, because the only way that the media is more threatening than unthreatening unstable Nuclear Power is if we represent what President Trump fears the most. That is our closing argument, thank you so much for being with us on cuomo prime time. What do you say, lets get after it again tomorrow night. Cnn tonight with don lemon, the man starts right now. Do you think chris, he actually wrote the word promulgated . Listen, dont be like that. Its in the tweet. Come on. The biggest word i use tweet is mayonnaise. I doubt herote that tweet, but youre right about the socalled fake news. Sitting here watching, this whole thing about jim acosta yelling questions, everyones upset about it, at least members of his administration