With us. God bless going forward. Pastor carl day. September 16th, today, very special day in my life. It was the day my mama was born. Matilda nancy cuomo. Look at her there. Looks even better today. I love you, mama. Happy birthday. Enjoy being 51. Thank you for watching. Cnn tonight with its big star, d lemon, starts right now. Mrs. Cuomo she doesnt like you. Doesnt matter. I love her. I love her. She loves you, don lemon. You know why . Because youre pretty. Oh, please, because shes a smart lady. Talking about pretty. I dont know you know oh, thanks. You did not get her looks or your dads. Sorry, thought you were talking about me. No, i was talking about your mom. She is gorgeous. I was at her house today. She was talking the talk. Telling me how i got to look. I got to wear a different suit. She doesnt like my hair. All kinds of stuff. She doesnt like the same outfit every night . She doesnt like anything. Shes all about improvement. When i cut my hair in the summer, my moms like get some hair on your head. They really know how to hurt you. Yeah, i know, right . But what a wonderful lady. Mrs. Cuomo, happy birthday. Now, i had the pastor on last night. Lets talk about this. To people like my mom, who vote every time. To the church d i always talk about the women and the church heads. What the pastor said is very frustrating for them because what they will say to you is, did dr. King not vote because things werent changing fast enough . Because the candidates werent perfect . And they will say, no, he voted. And thats how we got to where we are, now. They think theres one choice, in this election, especially this one. And you know what that choice is. And if you know, you talked about how black women are carrying the party. Statistically. Statistically. I think that i always say, and ive learned this from from political strategists. Know when to be strategic. Know when to be an activist. And there are certain times where you have to be one, not the other. And there are certain times when you can be both, together. You know this because you come from a political family. No candidate is perfect. Not one. There is one candidate. Theres one one group of people running. Two people who are running. Where theres a person of color on the ticket. Okay . So theres only one person who has a color a person of color on the ticket with him and that is joe biden. And the candidate takes you its like getting on a bus. Its like public transportation. No one is going to get everything done. Its not like an uber drops off right at the location, shows up when you want. It is a public transportation. You dont have to fall in love with the person. Republicans know this, better than anyone. They fall in line. Oh, yeah. Because they know this is the person thats going to carry out what i want. Most likely to carry out what i want. And i think democrats want to fall in love, they want a perfect candidate. And on and on. And then, they end up thats thats what happened. Hillary clinton, 2016. Dont complain if you vote for a thirdparty person. Voted for jill stein in 2016. Just one question and i will leave you alone on it. Yes, sir. I agree. I have been told this by you and many people in the black community, frequently. Okay . The position of day and others, as you know, you field it all the time, is right but were frustrated, too. And im not going to vote for trump, which is what the pastor said. No way. But, you know, what am i getting, other than this terrible guy not getting him, right . This is their perspective. At least, tell me that youre going to try to do something for me. Because, otherwise, my frustration gets the better of me. Response . Thats listen. Thats all fair. As i told him last night, you can vote for who you want to vote for. Im not you know, if you want to vote for a third party, whatever, fourth party, fifth, thats your business. Thats your prerogative. Im just im just analyzing. Im just giving you analysis, at this point. What people have to realize and no matter who what side youre on, no matter who youre going to vote for, the supreme court, for the next 50 years, is going to be decided in this election. So do you believe in a womans right to choose, or not . Do you believe in samesex marriage . Because that may there may be an issue with that. What do you believe . What what are you willing to compromise to vote for a third party . Or to stay at home . And i think because the third party wont win. The third party never wins. And again, im not telling you who to vote for or whatever. But the third party never, ever wins. I, personally, think that this is everyone says, oh, its hard. I cant see how anyone anybodys undecided, right now. This is the easiest. There is a very low number, by the way. But i think people who are undecided are just making excuses because they want to support someone but they just dont want to say it. Thats just my personal opinion. So you think undecided break right. I think undecided tend to break right. There are people who are who are afraid right now or dont want to say, at this moment, that they want to support President Trump. But heres what i will say. I i think this is the easiest election to decide. I just think because the two people who are running the four people who are running are so, completely different that, if you cannot make up your mind between joe biden and donald trump or Kamala Harris and mike pence, then, i dont i think its the easiest election ever. Well, you want to hear the good news . Yeah. On the morning of november 4th, you know who will probably be together watching the results . Whatd you say . On the morning of november 4th, the day after the election, do you know who will probably be together, watching the results trickle in and all of the counting that is still, yet, to be had and how close the race actually is . Night owls. And the people who voted in person, versus the signatures that theyre going through. Yeah. Captain handsome here and you. Thats who its going to be. All right, captain. Love ya. I love you, don lemon. Thank you for the analysis. It helps me understand things that i dont understand as easily. This is the easiest election, ever. Really. This is decision wise. Thank you, sir, love you, talk to you soon. This is cnn tonight. I am don lemon and we do have some breaking news. It is 48 days to election day. Nearly, 200,000 americans 48 days. Thats not a long time. Nearly 200,000 americans losing their lives to a deadly pandemic. Dead americans, day after day, every night i report their numbers. Every night, for months. Every night, hundreds and hundreds more, a thousand more, 1,200 more. Does it sicken you . Because it sickens me, to sit here, every night, and just report deaths and and it seems that not much is being done about it. Feel like youre just standing at the edge of the ocean and yelling out. Whos listening . Whos hearing this . Its its all of this is so pointless. Not meaning having to report it but what is going on. Its so unnecessary. So much pain. Such a waste, at this time. If youve ever lost a loved one, you know it is excruciating. It never really leaves you. How much more excruciating is it when it couldve been avoided . This president never thinks about that so today the cdc director, robert redfield, told the truth about the situation were in. He said a vaccine might not be widely available for up to a year. He said masks might be an even better defense than a vaccine to keep americans safe. To keep more people from dying. For the crime of telling the truth, dr. Redfield gets thrown under the bus, which backs over him and then drives over him, again. You said you spoke with dr. Redfield earlier and you said that he made a mistake. I think he made a mistake. Yeah. I didnt go into great i i i was very surprised to hear it. It doesnt really matter. Heres what does matter. Were all set to distribute, immediately. Youre, twice, contradicting director of your own cdc on the science. Y who testified before congress today. I think he misunderstood the questions. You know what i think . I think he misunderstood. I told you. I dont have to go through this. I think he misunderstood the questions. How can the American People trust you on the pandemic when youre contradicting the head of the cdc . Because of the great job weve done. Because of the great things weve done in other fields, also. So this is you decide. I want you to decide who to believe. And i want you to listen to exactly what dr. Redfield said about a timetable for the vaccine. If youre asking me when is it going to be generally available to the american public, so we can begin to take advantage of vaccine to get back to our regular life . I think were probably looking at third late second quarter, Third Quarter, 2021. So cdc head, right . Remember, i know more than the generals. Hes the head of the cdc. So, does he sound confused to you . Me neither. Now, i want you to listen to exactly what dr. Redfield said about masks. And remember, dr. Redfield is under oath. These actually we have clear, scientific evidence. They work. And they are our best defense. I might go so far as to say that this face mask is more guaranteed to protect me against covid than when i take a Covid Vaccine because the immunogenicity may be 70 . And if i dont get an immune response, the vaccines not going to protect me. The truth. None of that seems to matter to this president. And so, dr. Redfield falls on his sword. Why he does this . I cannot say. A cdc press official telling cnn this, tonight. They say, in todays hearing, dr. Redfield was answering a question he thought was in regard to the time period, in which all americans would have completed their covid vaccination. And his estimate was by the second or Third Quarter of 2021. He was not referring to the time period when covid19 vaccine doses would be made available to all americans. Okay. So a senior official at the cdc telling cnn dr. Redfield was, and im quoting here, a convenient punching bag for President Trump. I want you to go back to april. And remember this. When dr. Redfield told the Washington Post that having coronavirus and the flu, circulating, at the same time, this fall, could be more difficult and complicated. The president didnt like that, either. So, he made dr. Redfield fall on the sword then, too. Its an assault on the truth. But its worse than that. The president has broken the compact that has governed this country from the beginning. Listen to him, right out loud, just dismissing the lives of americans in blue states in the middle of a pandemic. Making it very clear, he only cares about the red states that give him electoral votes. If we do a really good job, well be at about 100,000 to 240,000 deaths and were below that, substantially. And we will see what comes out. But that would be if we did the good job. If the notsogood job was done, i remember these numbers so well, and 2. 2 million. Thats quite a difference. So were down in this territory. And thats despite the fact that the blue states had had tremendous death rates. If you take the blue states out, were at a level that i dont think anybody in the world would be at. Were really at a very low level. But some of the states, blue states, and blue state and by the way, wed recommend they open up their states. I think its very important. So if you if you take the blue states out. If you just ignore the deaths of thousands of people who happen to live in states run by democrats . What could get him to care about the americans who live there and their families . Maybe, he would care if we told him that, in some of those blue states, the election was really close. It shouldnt matter. But i guess, if you lived in a state that went to hillary clinton, no matter how narrow, the president thinks it shouldnt it shouldnt really count if your loved one died. You hear that, New Hampshire . Shouldnt really count if your loved one died. You hear that minnesota . Nevada . How about maine . All states that were just narrowly blue, in 2016. Too bad you didnt vote for him, then. Maybe, he would care. And by the way, the Washington Post krufrmged tcrunched the n. Since midjune, a majority of the coronavirus deaths each day have occurred in red states. This president just wants to ignore the people who died in blue states. Oh, and by the way, no pressure, hed also like you to open open up your states. Never mind that pesky, deadly pandemic. So is it any wonder that joe biden says this today . I trust vaccines. I trust scientists. But i dont trust donald trump. At this moment, the American People cant, either. I guess it is no surprise the president thinks the way he does. All he wants is to be the antiobama. All he wants is to be the opposite of the man who said this at the democratic convention, way back in 2004. It is that fundamental belief, i am my brothers keeper, i am my sisters keeper, that makes this country work. Its what allows us to pursue our individual dreams. And yet, still, come together as one american family. E pluribus unum. Out of many, one. Now, even as we speak, there are those who are preparing to divide us. The spin masters, the negative ad peddlers, who embrace the politics of anything goes. Well, i say to them, tonight, there is not a liberal america and a conservative america, there is the United States of america. There is not a black america and a White America and Latino America and asian america. Theres the United States of america. The pundits. The pundits like to slice and dice our country into red states and blue states. Red states for republicans. Blue states for democrats. But ive got news for them, too. We are one people, all of us, pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes. All of us, defending the United States of america. Can it be that was all so simple then . I still have gladys and patty on my mind. But what seems like a lifetime ago. By the way, i remember being in chicago, working there, covering that story about a chicago guy speaking at the convention. And i was in, i think, a bar or restaurant where they were holding a watch party. And right then, i said, maybe, just maybe, and sure enough, it happened. He became president. But did you hear what he said . He said not red states, not blue states, but the United States of america. That used to be something that resonated. That used to be the kind of idea that could get someone elected. Like, president barack obama. Now, tonight, if youre in a state that voted for the president , your life counts. If you live in a state that didnt, he thinks your death shouldnt. That is wrong. Quite frankly, that is unamerican. And that is the belief of the current president of the United States. Undermining the experts. Throwing them under the bus, while americans are dying. Were going to break down the truth of what happened today. Kaitlan collins. Dana bash. Dr. Sanjay gupta. After the break. Still your best friend. And now your copilot. Still a father. But now a friend. Still an electric car. Just more electrifying. Still a night out. But everything fits in. Still hard work. Just a little easier. Still a legend. Just more legendary. Chevrolet. 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Good to see you. Kaitlan, you first, with the news. President trump threw his cdc director, robert redfield, under the bus. You were right there. Did it multiple times at this pressor today. You pressed the president on all of this. What was that about . Yeah. It was a remarkable press conference, where basically he contradicted the cdc director on two of the biggest things that he said today while he was testifying on capitol hill. One, being the timeline for a vaccine. And the second being how effective wearing a mask can be. When it comes to a vaccine timeline, basically, what dr. Redfield was explaining was really something weve heard from other Health Officials in this Administration Working on this vaccine effort which is that basically, when one is ready, its still going to take a little bit of time for the entire population to be able to get it in a way where there is widespread immunity. And the president disputed that. Saying he did not think it was going to be anything like the timeline dr. Redfield offered. And then, he also disputed him on masks because he is talking about how valuable they can be in preventing covid19. Limiting the spread of it. And the president said he did not believe that a mask was as effective as a vaccine could be. That is a comparison that redfield made. And it was just you know, it was a remarkable moment to see the president rebuke the cdc director, in that way. And then, of course, we saw redfield respond in a way that was not either correcting his statement to be in line with the president , nor defending what he had said on capitol hill today when it came to a vaccine timeline. So that is something well li likely see continue to play out over the next few days but it was quite stunning to see the discrepancy on these two factors. It was an i know better than the generals, moment. Dr. Gupta, once again, the president s undermining his experts. Claiming dr. Redfield made a mistake and was confused on vaccines and masks. You know dr. Redfield. Did he sound confused to you . No, he didnt sound confused. I mean, he seemed to understand the question, perfectly. And gave an answer. You know, when it came to the vaccines, i can tell you, the answer that he gave was very much in line with what youve heard from other people as well. Including the chief adviser to operation warp speed. I talked to him last week, don, and this this exact issue came up. When is the virus potentially going to be authorized . And if, after that, it is authorized, when would it be ready . Listen to how he put it. If shown efficacious in november or in december, we dont have enough vaccine doses. Well have a few million in november and, maybe, 10, 20 million of each in december. That would be enough to vaccinate certain populations. Start vaccinating certain population but not the whole population. And when he is talking about certain populations, theres about 29 Million People that would be considered essential workers. That includes health care workers. Maybe, another 75 million who would be considered high risk. Take a look at the timeline, in terms of vaccine availability. And were putting this up. This comes from the federal government, from the operation warp speed, in terms of you look at end of october. The number of doses available. Two vaccines. Likely, the moderna and Pfizer Vaccines which are furthest along in trials. But look, don, by december, 35, 40 million doses, maybe. And keep in mind, this might be two doses per individual, right . So you got to divide that by half. So maybe 20, 25 Million People, possibly, by the end of the year. Listen. Doctor, i mean, people would love to have a vaccine yesterday. But, you know, the science shows you, you know, what can happen and the timeline. And you just put the numbers up from the administration, operation warp speed. Dana, i was i was watching earlier or listening to you earlier. I had you on sirius. I was listening to you earlier. And you came right out and said you called what the president said today, propaganda. I really didnt feel happy about saying that. It you know, was reluctantly doing so because were talking about the president of the United States and we are in a pandemic. But the fact of the matter is dr. Redfield and every other member of the president s own Scientific Team who are trying to fight this pandemic say, over and over and over again, wear a mask. I mean, the Surgeon General had a psa, i think it was just this morning, describing, in detail, how to wear a mask. The reason to wear a mask. How to do it properly. Thats the kind of thing that the president of the United States could do, if he wanted to accurately and adequately mitigate the virus currently, until the vaccine gets here. And so, the fact that he contradicted his own cdc director, not just on the vaccine, which sanjay just laid out in terms of the details of how that would work. But more importantly, from my perspective, on the notion of propaganda. On the notion of masks. Because it doesnt make any sense, except for the fact that the president is trying to meet the people who support him where they are. Which is that they dont think that masks are worth it. Weve heard that from trump supporters, over and over again. As opposed to standing up there, either wearing a mask or talking about a proper way to wear a mask, to bring his supporters to the place where we can try to, as a country, as as a society, mitigate this pandemic. And someone tested positive for coronavirus at the white house. Well discuss, right after the break. Et stops sweat 3x more than ordinary antiperspirants. With secret, youre unstoppable. No sweat try it and love it or get your money back. For skin as alive as you are. 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He said the attorney general william barr on wednesday, the National Lockdown due to the coronavirus pandemic is like house arrest and a civil rights intrusion, nearly unequalled in american history. But he says it is the greatest intrusion on Civil Liberties, other than slavery, in u. S. History. Dana bash. I mean, im kind of speechless. I really am. I saw sanjays face, by the way. I started to think about trying to pick apart the the the reality of what he said. Like, i dont know. That when people were enslaved, human beings were enslaved in this country, they were owned by other people. I mean, they civil rights was was like the notion of having civil rights was a pipe dream. They just had to be free. And then, they could think about civil rights. I mean, this is a pandemic, where people are being asked to think about one another and their safety, security, and health, because it is so easily transmittable. And that is why this country was was locked down or was shut down. Yeah. Not in order to keep people from having rights. It was to keep people from dying. Yeah. And and he wants africanamerican votes. Okay. Listen, dr. Gupta, im always aware that youre youre not political. Its not your role to be a political pundit on this show or a consultant. But slavery was about oppressing peoples lives. This is about saving peoples lives. As a medical professional, you can talk about that. This is a Public Health emergency. The virus does not discriminate, at all. There were places around the world that may have needed to shut down for a short amount of time, in order to control this virus. And then, they did. And then then, there was some sense of normalcy that was returned. I mean, its absolutely preposterous to equate this to to civil rights infringement. There have been Public Health emergencies, before. So this isnt without precedent. And, you know, 100 years ago, there was another significant pandemic, to which the world responded in similar ways. People had to stay at home for a while. Kids had to stay out of school for a while. This is this is a worldwide storm and as dana said, were all in it together. Were all in it together. We all have to behave ourselves, and we all are dependent on each other. So, in some ways, its the exact opposite. I just have a hard time, i guess, to your point of conflating a a a dedicated, scientific, evidencebased Public Health response to some sort of civil rights, you know, intrusion. It just it takes us in the exact wrong direction. Its really just stunning. Talking about slavery. Internment of the japanese. I mean, there is a whole lot of i cant. Anyway, kaitlan, i want you to respond to this because youre often out with the president and with the crowds and people who are really mimicking the president. And if they are not already, this will probably become a talking point. And the president will Start Talking about it as well and using the same talking point. Yeah. And so, sometimes, there are things the president says or does where people think its just the president feels that way. And we have heard him rail against these lockdowns weve had where certain businesses were closed, people urged to stay home, not go into the office. Hes urged schools to reopen, states to reopen, businesses to reopen, even if those communities have not felt like its the right time. And now with the statement from the attorney general, you see there are officials in the administration that agree with the president on this. Highranking officials like the attorney general. Who say, you know, they are comparing this in a way to slave which he says was, quote, a different kind of restraint. Yes, it was, very much different kind of restraint. And so, as sanjay was saying, no one was forced to stay in their homes in the United States. Those were recommendations made. That was a decision that was made, not by the president , no matter what the white house says, about lockdowns. Those were decisions made by governors, by mayors, by business owners, who decided to send their staffs home. So im not sure its the same comparison, at all. Obviously, in that sense. But also, if you look at what other countries have done. In israel, they are about to go into a lockdown where you cant go more than 1,500 feet from your home. And the medical experts in the administration have talked about that. You know, when we talk about shutdowns and lockdowns in the United States, they are not the same that youve seen in other countries, by any stretch of the imagination. So to see the attorney general make this argument. You see why the president , then, makes arguments that he makes because hes not the only person in the administration who feels this way about what the medical experts have recommended we do in wake of the pandemic. Yeah. 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So heres the breaking news, right now. A d. C. National guard official says that he was asked if his unit had a heat ray to use against protestors cleared from Lafayette ParkLafayette Square in front of the white house. Remember, that was back in early june, so the president could have his photo op . Lets go right to cnns jim acosta, he is our chief white house correspondent. Jim, wow, fill us in. What are you learning . Yeah. I mean, file this under things i didnt think i would be reporting on, don. But, yes, the whistleblower at the center of this, a major in the d. C. National guard, adam demarco, provided some written testimony to department of or excuse me, the committee on Natural Resources and the house of representatives, and he was asked about what kind of weapons were used or requested for potentially clearing protestors at Lafayette Park on june 1st, the day the president marched through Lafayette Square and then held up that bible in front of st. Johns episcopal church. And according to adam demarco, hours before that all took place, he received a request from a military officer, as to whether or not they had some sort of acoustic device that could send off very loud noises to protestors to try to get them to disperse. And then, also, something called an ads, an active denial system. Don, this is a highpowered heat ray. We can put up, on screen, a little bit of what is in demarcos testimony. It says the ads can immediately compel an individual to cease threatening behavior or depart through application of directed energy beam that provides a sensation of intense heat on the surface of the skin. The effect is overwhelming, causing an immediate repel response by the targeted individual. Don, i mean, this is extraordinary stuff. Not only were they using tear gas, not only were they roughing up protestors outside Lafayette Park to clear the area so the president could have that photo op. Apparently, according to this major of the d. C. National guard who is blowing the whistle on all this, there were military officers asking whether or not they could use this heat ray on some of the protestors there. This picture we have up now is just stunning. Its just stuns me to to see that. It its so fake that hes standing there. And what what they did to the protestors is just outrageous. And think about this. This sort of torturous kind of mechanisms that they want to use or wanted to use in order to push these protestors back. You just have to question, jim, and if you can go quickly, please, is this america . This is america. This is unbelievable. I mean, it was a shameful chapter, i think, when we saw protestors cleared out of Lafayette Park for a photo op. No question about it. But to think that the military, i guess, to try to, you know, be in the good graces of President Trump, would even contemplate using a heat ray type device. Now, keep in mind, this is something President Trump asked about. This kind of device is something he asked about to use on migrants down in the border. Cnn confirmed that. New york times reported that, at one point. And so, don, how are we getting to a point in this country where, you know, our fellow americans could even contemplate or fathom using these kinds of experimental weapons on on our fellow citizens, who are just trying to protest . Obviously, there were some troublemakers there. But why would you use that kind of equipment, when police can just use normal tactics . And i talked to the attorney for this whistleblower, earlier this evening, don. He said there is nothing routine about asking for a heat ray device to use on americans trying to exercise their First Amendment rights. And, you know, i dont think this is the last weve heard from this whistleblower. He is i mean, hes doing something patriotic here, don. He he is blowing the lid off of our government using what are some pretty ridiculous tactics, harsh, unamerican tactics on our fellow citizens. I dont i dont even know what to say. Thanks, jim. Thank you. I appreciate it. You bet. Sure. Every night, i sit here and i dont i dont know what to say. I mean, no words. Lets just go to the break. Insulin injections can make diabetes complicated. Omnipod delivers insulin through a discreet waterproof pod. To help simplify life. No more daily injections. Its gamechanging. Take your insulin anywhere with a small tubeless pod. And the wireless controller helps deliver the right amount of insulin. Covered by Medicare Part d. Get started with a benefits check today. Go to omnipod. Com for risk information and instructions for use. Consult your Healthcare Provider before starting on omnipod. Simplify diabetes. Simplify life. Omnipod. Simplify life. Lets make hand washing andren important one. Ssons. Safeguard is donating ten Million Dollars in hand soaps and sanitizers to families in need. Safeguard your family. Wash away germs. So President Trump is contradicting his own is contradicting his own cdc director, claiming he made a mistake for suggesting a vaccine wont be widely available in the u. S. For up to a year. The president claims a vaccine could be released by midoctober. Joining me now to discuss is former fda commissioner mcclellan. He is the director of the Duke Margolis center for health policy. Good to see you, dr. Mcclellan. Thank you for joining us. Who is right here . Well, we are likely to have a vaccine for a limited number of people much sooner than the middle of next year, don, but if you listen to what the scientific experts at the fda say and what a lot of other people who are involved in the Clinical Trials say, its going to help in a stepwise fashion. So first thing is we have to finish the Clinical Trials and see that the vaccines really do reduce the rate and severity of infections. And then fda is likely to authorize it first for the people who can benefit the most to protect them. Not enough to get to herd immunity. And then well get more experience with the vaccine. People can hopefully get more confidence in it, and its going to take time to get more vaccine out to more people. So i think the cdc director said some pretty helpful comments about getting expectations right for when a vaccine will be widely available. Yeah, listen, and you just mentioned herd immunity. That if you just did herd immunity without the that means millions of americans would have to die in order to achieve that. But, listen, i want you to take a listen to the president s plans to distribute a vaccine. Here it is. To get the vaccine into the hands of American People, were fully mobilizing the awesome power of american industry and also our military. This is the largest, fastest and most advanced Vaccine Distribution effort in american history, by far. Weve manufactured all of the necessary supplies so that as soon as the fda approves the vaccine, and as you know, were very close to that, well be able to distribute at least 100 million vaccine doses by the end of 2020 and a large number much sooner than that. As i was talking to dr. Gupta previously, everyone would like a vaccine yesterday, but even with emergency use authorization, does that seem realistic to you . Unlikely to get to 100 million by the end of the year. We still havent seen the trials in, and there are independent reviewers who are watching the trials as they go along, and the trials arent going to end until we get a result. And at that point, the fda has said theyre going to have some public review with written comments about what the trials show and about fdas view on it, a review by independent experts again and more steps before the vaccine would be available even for emergency use. When it does become available, don, it is probably going to be if a limited number of people. And i do give credit to cdc and hhs for trying to put together a reliable, fast way to get the vaccine out. But when were trying to get to really largescale use, and, again, thats 2021, were going to need a lot more help than just the military. Were going to need doctors involved. Were going to need Community Leaders involved. Were going to need a lot of people to help get the vaccine out to everybody who can benefit. And to help make sure they can make informed decision about it. Dr. Mcclellan, thank you very much. Ill see you soon. Good to be with you. Heres our breaking news tonight. 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Weve had four years of a president who brings out the worst in america. Isnt it time we had a president who brought out the best . Im joe biden and i approve this message. So heres our breaking news. An incredible statement from the attorney general of the United States, william barr. Tonight he said it, claiming that pandemic closures are the greatest intrusion on Civil Liberties since slavery. President ial historian jon meacham is here. Hes the host of the new podcast it was said. Jon, i really appreciate you joining us. Thank you so much. I am glad that youre on to discuss this. So in a speech at Hillsdale College tonight, the attorney general said this about the National Lockdown to stop the coronavirus pandemic. Here it is. Other than slavery, which was a different kind of restraint, this is the greatest intrusion on Civil Liberties in american history. I dont know what to say, honestly, jon. What do you say to that . Well, its incendiary hyperbole designed to feed a sense of paranoia and fear on behalf of an administration that is relying not on a message or an agenda of hope grounded in traditional american understandings of liberty and is instead betting on finding just the right number of americans in the right number of states who will say, yeah, were scared, were mad, we want a tough guy. And, you know, if you think that this is akin to slavery, you obviously never suffered under the burden of slavery in real time or in its longtime the longtime system of segregation and the denial of the suffrage