This is cnn tonight, im don lemon, President Trump firing up had his base in a rally in cincinnati, talking up the economy, bashing democrats and claiming falsely that they want open boarder and he talked about the president ial debates here on cnn. The democrats spent more time attacking barack obama than they did attacking me practically. And trump also launching an attack on americas inner cities that are run completely by democrats. So, lets get the big picture. Mark is here. Joe as well. Good to see you gentlemen, thank you so much. Joe, lets talk about you. Tonight, joe biden is lets talk to you, not about you. Joe biden is tweeting this. I was surprised at all of the attacks on Barack Obamas error we passed bomb care and saved our economy from the brink of disaster. He was a great president. We dont say that enough. What is the strategy in democrats attacking his legacy . Doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me. Joe biden is leading among africanamericans, well over 50 of their votes right now in all the polls. A largely because he was Barack ObamasVice President. And Barack Obamas popularity is bar none in the democrat party. So, to force, to actually force joe biden to defend barack obama doesnt seem like a smart strategy to me. Joe, let me ask you this, how do they attack joe bidens record without attacking because he was a part of the obama administration. You know, and if they do want to attack his record, its kind of a back handed attack on the obama administration. Are they damned if they do and damned if they dont . To some degree yesly. Theres other ways. I mean, a generational, that we need new ideas, and a move forward that way. Without coming at him as a direct attack. That goes to the president , obama, is a mistake. And furthermore, the other thing that didnt happen, yes, you can go after, you may want to go after him on immigration, but the fact is, whatever flaws or mistakes were made in the obama administration, by president obama or joe biden pale, i mean pale light years from what is going on with had th on with administration, they didnt make that case. Mark, good to see you, have not seen you in a long time. The followerer president warned about democrats and the circular firing squad, it was back in april, listen. One of the things i do worry about sometimes is a certain kind of rigidity, are we say, oh, im sorry, this is how its going to be. And then we start sometimes creating what is called a circular firing squad. Where you are shooting a your allies. He talked about litmus tests, this is how it want it, my way. Did you think that obama thought that the firing squad would be aiming at his direction . That he would be on the guillotine . No no. But smart analysis there from a guy that wooden the presidency twice. The debates were good, and good job that you did on it, don, and your cowho hort cohorts. We learned who may be the nominee and how they may win the nomination. But we did not see how they would beat donald trump. They spent time talking about tw20 years ago, as opposed to policies that affect the people now, and 20 years from now. It does say where the physics of the presidency are, and i was disappointed that joe biden was not more forceful. Defend the policies at the time. Okay, he deported people. There were people here illegally and most had criminal orders. That is what most of the general electorate wants to hear dna anyw hear anyway. Do you think that he wants to do that but theres people in his head, saying you have to appeal to the young people on twitter and this sort of woke crowd. Do you think theres, because, you know, i was up there on the stage, and he didnt seem like the old joe biden that would just come after you, you know, sort of rapid fire. Its a great point, not just for him, but others on the stage. A progressive dynamic going on and people are afraid of it. Not only Vice President biden, but Kamala Harris was too. Talking about her policies at the time. I think people remember and recognize that 20 years ago was a different time. Crime was a big factor. The crime bill, we understood at the time. We didnt understand the ultimate consequences that we do better today. But i understander then why they did it then. They should defend it more aggressively. As somebody that lived in the time. I understand. That is from, listen, from every, from joe, listen, from most of the majority of the Democratic Party and i consider can my mother to be part of that sort of the embodyment of that. She will say, those days were different. We lived through those times and people are looking at those times through a 2019lens, and the times have changed even from four years ago or eight years ago. This is a different time. And a lot of the people were not adults then and they are trying to appeal to these young people and they want the energy from the young people. But they did not live through it from experience and they are judging many of the, a number of the candidates up there over things that happened when they dont understand what it was like then. Well, that is absolutely right. But that is one of the reasons that i think joe biden is doing well with older voters. They have lived through it, across the board, whites, africanamericans, everybody. They lived, above 45 group in the polls all show, really big support for him. Strong support and strong favorables. And i think its because they do have a context. They do remember those times. They grew and evolved with him. They saw the mistakes that were made and they saw where the country went and they know what role he played. I think, underneath, when you get under 45, and they dont have that context, that vote is up for dprabs. And i think, that is what you sort of see, this, a lot of the sparring that is going on, and maybe, even joe bidens reluctance to engage. Im not talking about joe biden, im talking about other candidates as well. I think theres a fear from the candidates as you said, to, that they are afraid that they will not appeal to the minority of the party, but the most vocal people in the party, who dont necessarily if they do, young people that go out and vote, and some dont necessarily go out and vote. Lets that talk about elizabeth warren. You said that her message is a lot like President Trump. And she thrived, what do you mean by that . Yeah, she thrived, and hairs barely survived and i think warren. Wait, say that again. That was a good analogy. Warren thriv, biden survived, and booker arrived and hei ans took a bit of a dive. Im looking as a consultant. She has become a good candidate. She got better and better and better. She stumbled out of the blocks and recovered. Its like she is running a marathon. She has a lot of energy and a clear message and a good narrative. What i mean by that, you know, thats a conventional wisdom had that all the republicans, includelyi including and especially donald trump would on love to take on elizabeth warren. Think of what her message is really at its core and thats the diagnosis is the system is rigged and you are getting screwed. Thats exactly what donald trump seldom. She just has a different cure and a different cause for the same problem. So, it will be a lot of people economically depressed, blue collar people out there in america, who are understood trumps narrative, he blamed immigrants and had a different cure, building a wall. She has a different approach and a lot of people say, you know what . His approach didnt work. Maybe hers will. I have to tell you, mark, i know some folks. Hold on, joe, i had wi i will you in. I know folks that did a 180 on her. Saying i never would vote for her. She doesnt have what it takes and now, objectively to most political consultants, they will tell you she is running the most disciplined campaign out of the entire group. Joe, go ahead, get in, sorry. Yeah, i was going to say, that i think she has been running the most disciplined campaign and shown the most growth. I agree with mark on that. And i think the other thing that is going on. She is, the candidate i think, who is doing the better job of directly connecting with her supporters. And in that, that is something that trump did as well, she ises doing it very effectively. And the style of her campaign, and the way, where she is coming from. Comes from completely different, she has values, we, you know, i agree with mark. They are very, she is coming at it from the same place, but with completely different value structure and i think, and she is connecting in a way other candidates are not. She is going to continue to grow, i think. Thank you, joe, thank you, mark. See you guys soon. I appreciate it. Thank you. We have breaking news i need to tell you about. The granddaughter of robert f. Kennedy died today. She was a tow her life was fid with hope, promise and love, she cared deeply about friends and family, and her had mother courtney and her father paul, her step borrow, stephanie and her grandmother ethel who said the world is a little less beautiful today. Emergency crews were called to the Kennedy Compound the. That was according to the fire department. It was unclear why the emergency call was made. We will continue to update you on the story as we get more information. We will be right back. 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Joining me to discuss, john dean, olivia and michael dantonio, the author of the truth about trump, good evening to you all. What is the da looking for, john . Its not clear, other than he may suspect that the records of the company have not been properly kept as a ru as a result of the payment, thats the point that Michael Cohen made as he was testifying before the house. He said that he was paid by the organization, by weisselburg and either don, jr. , or eric. He was not sure which signature was on the check. And so, thats what obviously they are looking at, how was that accounted for. This all comes after federal prosecutors announced a few weeks ago they had closed the investigation in to the same payments y would state prosecutors now take it up . That question back to me again . Yeah. To you, john, sorry. Oh, happy to take it. Happy to take it. You know, there are probably multiple reasons one, is this office has been known in the past to be soft on the trump family. His daughter and his son were once in the clutches of that office and got a pass. So, that might be one reason they are looking. But, the crime that, best on the reporting i have seen so far, its only a misdemeanor, don, they have to show that they misaccounted for, and covered up another crime. Its not clear under the new york law if the federal crime would count as that crime. So, theres some gray areas here. And i think, its early, but its obviously an investigation that is not dead and ongoing. So, michael, the touattorneyr the Trump Organization said it a political hit job, its harassment. We will respond as appropriate. How will the trump team fight this, you think . Well, you just saw one example. They are going to trash the district attorney. What is ironicabout all of this. The trump Family Lawyers in the case in 2012, it was mark kasowitz, talked about how wonderful vance was and what a man of integrity he was, because he let the kids off in a different case. There were a lot of people in new york and in legal circles that the trumps got away with a lot. This was an instance where they had lied, and issued fraudulent statements about sales of real estate at trumpsoho development. This goes back a long wayful. One of the guys in your favor, he is a wonderful man of integrity. And when, somehow he is now doing his job, he is a horrible person who is on a political vendetta. Theres politics involved with this, for sure. And they will fight it politically as well as legally. Olivia, i think in the introduction, i said good evening gentlemen, its been a long week. Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Michael cohen is sitting in prison as a result of his role in the transaction. I was going to reach out to him for comment and i remembered that i was in prison and i could not do that. I dont think that we could say its politically motivated. That is what the attorney for the Trump Organization is saying. I think he called it a political hit job. And that is certainly what the president will say, if this comes up for if he brings it up in front of the press or his supporters in the many doing weeks and months. In the coming weeks and months. As we go in to 2020, every little development, any subpoena, anything that looks like he continues to be under investigation as he is from various entities, yi think coul be negative. He may think it helps him in a perverse way, he likes to be a victim and claim persecution, on the other hand, voters may be looking for seriously at every drip, drip that coming out of these inquiries. John, the New York Times is reporting that the investigation is going to focus on the 130,000 payment to michael payment that Michael Cohen gave to stormy daniels. Fit comes out that an executive falsified a record, can the president just deny knowledge of it . Well, this president yes. He would deny knowledge of anything and everything that would taint him. But, if i recall correctly. Rudy giuliani. If thats the case, its a false report. And that may be one of the reasons that they are looking in to. I dont think that trump can walk away from this. Particularly since he signed one of the checks personally from the oval office, we no that from Michael Cohens testimony. Michael, what could this spell for other Trump Associates if, you know, if a false business claim is discovered here . Well, this is a potential pandoras box. The manhattan da can go in and discover more. And this is an organization. The Trump Organization that is rimpt fe with misdirection. Misleading statements. And i imagine that theres applications for loans that may be questionable. Applications for insurance where the estimates of the value of a property were misstated and this puts all of the executives in trump tower at some peril. I can imagine ronagraph going in and testifying and this is not a good thing for anybody in the trump orbit. And it revised the whole smarmy, element of trumps background with national enquirer, payoffs to women. This from a man who said he could do anything that he wanted to women and get away with it. Apparently he can. Oh, li will the president e investigation as politically, as a way to rile up the base . His attorneys are saying that, its a political hit job. Right . Right, yeah, if history is has told us anything, he will use anything that he can to try to rile up his base, and like i said, to try and claim victimhood. He, whether its with the press or with robert mueller. He likes to do it, he does it consistently he likes to have an enemy. I think he feels energized when he has someone that he feels like he is fighting against. And i think, that has been one of the most difficult things for him since 2016 ended and why it has not really ended. He brings it up all the time. Its when hill hi its like w Hilary Clinton was no longer his enemy, he is in search of a enemy. 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Faith leaders in Washingtons National cathedral, issuing a rebuke, condemning thepresident s violent, dehumanizing words. Its a response toPresident Trump. Douglas. Reverend let talk about your letter. A scathing assessment. We have come to accept as normal. A steady stream of accusations. What led you to publish this. Yeah, you know, it seeps to me, don, that we have said as we have said, over the last couple of years. A steady stream of the abusivab hurtful language. The last couple of weeks, there seems to have been an escalation of this. So, we are attacking nations. We are attacking leaders. We are attacking an american city. We are attacking people. And so, what are we going to say, enough is enough . When does it cross a threshold . It crossed that threshold for me, for a couple of reasons when we see the language that came out on saturday. First of all. I responded as a mother. I have a son that lives in baltimore. He is not a rodent. He is a human he being. And so, i say, i have a responsibility to Say Something as a mother about that. And im a faith leader. At the Washington National cathedral, this is a place that has been a Spiritual Center for people in this country. And in times of grief, in times of crisis. In times of celebration. We have to set an example to a higher standard. And so, its time for us to not only expect more from the leers of our nations. But to expect more from ourselves. And if we dont want to continue to see a steady stream of this kind of dehumanizing, violent language. Then we have to Say Something about it. Is it frustrating, it frus are traiting i know, to watch it happen. But is it frustrating to you, for i can only think that people are doing it purposefully to ingredient more the racism or pretend that it not there to say that it does not exist. Or that it is some sort of opinion that its racist when you have all the evidence there, its no longer an opinion. Is that frustrating to you. Im sure that from this, people are calling you racist or saying the president is not racist, he is just bringing up issues. Speak to that. Yeah, well, first of all, words and actions speak for themselves. Right. So, i dont, and we dont have to be the ones to aaccuse anybody of being anything. We let their words and we let their actions speak for themselves. So, that question has been answered. We are not responsible in one way for what others do. But we are responsible for what we do. And we also have to be clear, whether or not we are calling this a political strategy, whether or not, we are calling it a, whatever, words are violent. Words matter. And violent wores create and lead to violent actions. Let me read this and then you continue on. When such violent dehumanizing words come from the president of the united, they are a call and give cover to white supremists who consider people of color, a infestation in america. They call those people to keep America Great by ridding it of the infestation. What do you mean by the words being violent . Anything that dehumanizes another human being, systems, don, those things are violent. So, anything that would in any way shape or form, deny another person their sacred dignitiy. Thats violent. How did we get here . Thats how did we get to this point, where, people are just openly deny racism, or feel emboldened to be racists. Dont have to hide it anymore. How did we get here . Well, you know what . I think that first of all, one thing we have to understand is this is a narrative that is deeply embedded within our country. And within our nations history. And so, when we dont talk about it, as you have just suggested, when we dont face the truth of who we are. Thats how we get here. I want to get your reaction to this before we run out of time. North carolina billboard paid for by gun shop own er. 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She kept policies in place that impacts poor people in the worst way. Harris advocated for higher bail amounts for gun related crimes. She was just elected district attorney. Audio, captures harriss talking about her priorities. Namely, increasing what those arrested pay for bail in san francisco. On par, with nearby can counties. We are going to change bail schedule in san francisco. People come to san francisco, to commit crimes because its cheaper to do it. You know, we have to do something about that. Well, welcome. The Harris Campaign said as a prosecutor, she acted to protect the public from rising gun crimes. The job of district attorney. Fast forward, 15 years. A new job. A new time. New priorities. I tell you what, she is the best. Now, a california senator. She introduced Bipartisan Legislation to change the cash bail system. Saying its a disproportionate impact on people of color and the poor. There were inaccuracies about my record. No question about that, and from a person who has been an apologist for assad who is a murderer of his own people. An accusation by someone who refuses to call him a war criminal. Gabbert had met with assad in 2017 after using chemical weapon withes against his own people. She declined to call him a war criminal. And it was only after she was pressed repeatedly on cnn, that she said shed not dispute that assad is indeed a war criminal and a torturer. Don . Thank you very much for this. That are the questions about Kamala Harris record, are they fair game . We will dig in next. Easiest dec. I switched to geico and saved hundreds. Thats a win. But its not the only reason i switched. Geicos a company i can trust, with over 75 years of great savings and service. Now thats a winwin. Switch to geico. Its a winwin. Were oscar mayer deli fresh your very first sandwich,m. Your mammoth masterpiece. And. Whatever this was. 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And she makes a good point afterwards, that Tulsi Gabbert is a nonfigure in the campaign. She ises at 1 in the polls. But others are in higher percentages in the polls, so she has to have a better more effective answer. She has to have ways to say, yes, we did things that incarcerated people, but we locked up people that were terrorizing africanamerican communities and people of color communities. She has to make a case where being a prosecutor is a good thing and not just a bad thing. I want to know how you think the senator responded to the Congress Womans attack. Why not address her and then pivot to Something Else and say, im not really concerned about her, if she indeed thinks its a one percent, and she is not concerned, say that and pivot to the right, the people on the right like biden and so on. Yeah, i agree with keith on both counts. Senator harris is lucky the attack came from someone like Congress Woman gabbert who is not a serious president ial candidate. But should have been prepared for the attack to come from somebody, because she ises a career prosecutor. So the record as a prosecutor is going to be skrut niced by your opponent. She is a moderate, trying toplay a progressive on tv. If you go back six months, it seemed that the primary was going to go left, and so, a lot of the candidates that were sort of kind of liberal and not super progressive were trying to figure out how to get to the left on things. So, she was down playing her record. As everyone thinks it will be an asset in a general election. Now that the ultimate moderate, Vice President biden has a huge lead in the campaign, it doesnt look like it was as good of a play. And i think, that the senator just needs to explain what she did, who she is, and maybe her positions changed. Explain why. And move forward. I want to move on now and talk about just released audio of then california governor ronald b lets listen. Last night, i tell you. To watch this thing that on television, and i did. Yeah. To see those those monkeys from those african countries. Theyre still uncomfortable wearing shoes. And the tail wags the dog, doesnt it . Yeah. Tail wags the dog. Keith, your thoughts on the recording. This is important for people to see. A lot of us around in the 80s, under Ronald Reagans administration, knew he was a rayi racist, knew that because of his welfare Queen Campaign in 1976. Knew that because of his 1980 campaign, when he started in mississippi and started talking about states rights. Knew that in the 1960s because he passed legislation as governor of california, to outlaw the black panthers from carrying weapons. This guy has a long history of racism. When people were complaining about that in the 1980s, everyone said we were overreacting. Republicans or conservatives will say, that left always throws that racism word around for every republican. And Ronald Reagan is not deserving of that. The term racist is so circumscribed that we say youre racist if you wear a klan robe, or the n word. Before he said monkey, people werent willing to believe he was a racist. Put this in terms of Ronald Reagans presidency and the other president s, if you will. And just weigh in on this, please. Yeah. Ronald reagan, whether we know what is in his heart or not, he was seen as, and i think its fair to say, that he governed interests ant interests antithreatal with the black panther party. He was part of the same hard right strand of the republican party, along with barry goldwater, that caused people like jackie robinson, one of the bestknown black conservativcon black republicans at the time, to leave the republican party. In terms of this quote, though, this is the kind of thing that clearly governor reagan president reagan, wouldnt have said out in the open. You know how ever racist joke starts . It starts with this looking over your shoulder to see if anybody is looking. And sometimes whispering it. What two white men, both californians, both republicans, speaking in what they thought was private, said something that they, of course, wouldnt have said in public, but was, of course, racist and ugly. I want to read what patty davis, reagans daughter, said to the washington post. She said Ronald Reagan would want forgiveness for this monkeys remark. Legacies are complicated. And for people to be judged fairly, the landscape of a lifetime has to be looked at. Do you think this will affect the legacy of Ronald Reagan . I think it will for some people. Hes old enough hes dead now. His presidency is so far past in history, its hard for people to examine this and really care. He is the Gold Standard of republican president s. Republicans have a long history, theyve been playing the race card for 50, 60 years now, going back to 1964, when barry goldwater, as david mentioned, ran a racist campaign. He voted against the civil rights act, and became the republican nominee. And that was the end of the party of lincoln. You have the history that goes beyond that. People can be a racist and be a good person. You can be a good father and be a racist. Dwight eisenhower, he was a good person and made negative comments about brown versus board of education decision. He told the Supreme Court not to allow black people integrated in the schools because people didnt want an overgrown negro sitting next to the white children. Thats the racism that we dont talk about. David, i have to run. Quickly, if you can tell me, do you agree with patti davis saying that legacies are difficult . I worked with her on a story. She sounds sincere to me. I thought this article was okay from the perspective of a daughter. I dont think she said anything that i would point the fing earp at. But one thing, at the very end, she says i wrote it down. She said, this will always be an aberration. She didnt excuse it. But said it was an aberration. But the problem with that is, as keith pointed out, when you have this legacy of reagan perpetuating the welfare queen stereotype, its harder to give him the benefit of the doubt. I give patti davis, the benefit of the doubt. Reagan, i dont know. Thanks for watching, everyone. Our coverage continues. Applebees all you can eat is back. Now thats eatin good in the neighborhood. Ive always been amazed and still going for my best, even though i live with a higher risk of stroke due to afib not caused by a heart valve problem. So if theres a better treatment than warfarin. I want that too. Eliquis. Eliquis is proven to reduce stroke risk better than warfarin. Plus has significantly less major bleeding than warfarin. Eliquis is fdaapproved and has both. Whats next . Reeling in a nice one. Dont stop taking eliquis unless your doctor tells you to, as stopping increases your risk of having a stroke. 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