Let the chips fall where they may. If you want to get the answers to the questions that the American People have and they didnt read the report. Dont rely on them to read the report. Its too much. Thats not their job. Theyve got their own lives. This is what congress has to do. Lay it out. If they want to drag their feet in the white house thats fine, but thats going to have repercussions. But theyre worried about reelection. Theyre worried about having a job. How do i do this . Am i going to have a job if politicians act out of fear of consequence more often than they act out of good conscience and thats bad politics and its part of the corruption of our politics. Do what you think is right, do it to the best of your abilities and then let the people judge. But enough with the bickering and dillydallying. And the going two different ways and the secret, you, subterfuge to how to get this done. Enough. Make a decision and take it. Thats what you have to do in life. Let alone in politics. Theyve dillydallied enough with this. You ready for sunday . Sunday night . Yeah, im getting there. I picked my pictures. Don and i are going to be 92nd street y on sunday night. Hes producing this whole thing. Its going to be very interesting. Do you know what youre wearing . Are you having someone dress you . I was going to ask you that, but i said is it going to be a muscle shirt, or the one you know, i dont know. Now im worried. Is this 92nd street y thing im going to wear the red shirt with the black Leather Jacket the John Travolta thing. And those too tight pants . If i had thrown a match at your legs while you were walking would it have a come out on fire on the other side. Im worried, is this our swan song, this 92nd street y thing. What you talking about, willis . Word on the street is, you know, that d. Lemon, hes got plans, maybe hes got plans. Oh, no, no, no. Thats the word on the street. Youre talking about the headline. Is don lemon staying at cnn . D. Lemons got plans. No, listen, no, no, no, thats just the headlines. You cant worry about that. I have the best job in television. I mean, you know what am i going to do if theres no d. Lemon . Im not going anywhere. Someone asked me a question about what its like to work in this environment. I was honest about it how toxic it is sometimes. But im up to the challenge. I love being here every single night. I love being with you and i love the platform i have and i love that i actually have a voice. Dont believe the headlines. Those headlines arent exactly right. Youre saying its fake news . Im not saying its fake news, im just saying the headlines are hyperbolic and they dont really reflect the tone and the conversation that i had. Someone asked me a question about how tough its been the last couple years with all of this alternative reality and the president attacking you and all that and i gave a very honest answer but im not going anywhere, knock on wood. Its the best place to start with that noggin. And also, just so people know we dont fake the funk. Obviously don and i know where each others heads and hearts are with the job. We were joking about this in the makeup room. Its important people know. They care about you, d. Lemon. Youre a big part of what this place means to everybody, not just me. Thank you. I appreciate that and its a blessing and a curse because some people, they may if i said what i said, they may not care. People do care. Thats the curse, they do care. Im so glad people asked me about it. Im not glad about the headlines but im glad that people are interested. I love being here with you and anderson, and erin, and all of my colleagues every single evening. But mostly me. Youre all right. Sometimes you get a little if only one could stay, it would probably be me. You know i have another secret code name for you. Big dog . No, i call you Christopher Columbus because how is that a code name . You think you discovered primetime. Dude, ive been here fighting this fight for five years before you got here. Im just saying. Youve got to wear the same thing every night. Totally changes everything. See you, cc, Christopher Columbus. Thats really creative. Stop it. Ill see you soon. See you sunday. See you tomorrow. Ill see you sunday and ill see you tomorrow as well. This is cnn tonight, im don lemon, and news tonight on the president s former National Security adviser michael flynn. The Justice Department for the first time releasing the actual audio of a voice mail from the president s attorney john dowd to flynns attorney. It is a call that Robert Mueller investigated as a potential obstruction of justice by the president , and it includes this. Remember what was always said about the president , and his feelings toward flynn, and that still remains but in any event let me know and i appreciate your listening and taking the time. Thanks, pal. Well, definitely more on that coming up. And were also learning tonight about judiciary chairman jerry nadler arguing behind closed doors, trying to convince speak nancy pelosi to open an impeachment inquiry. Lots more to come on that as well. Big news night here. Weve got to talk about the president s trip and how youve seen every single weve all seen every single side of him on this trip, all of contradictions, his good speeches, especially his wellreceived speech food on the 75th anniversary of dday in front of an audience of 12,000, including 65 american veterans, part of the largest land and water invasion in history. You are among the very greatest americans who will ever live. You are the pride of our nation. You are the glory of our republic, and we thank you from the bottom of our hearts. [ applause ] his bad tweets as well, calling chuck schumer, his word, a creep for saying he was bluffing on mexico tariffs, calling the mayor of london a stone cold loser. But theres also the president s charming side, to be honest, clearly thrilled to stand by the side of the queen. Great honor to be with you. Great woman. Great, great woman. And to be gracious to Prime Minister theresa may in the wake of the Brexit Defeat thats forcing her out of office. Perhaps you wont be given the credit that you deserve if they do something but i think you deserve a lot of credit, i really do, i think you deserve a lot of credit. But also bombastic and boastful, claiming london streets were full of people cheering him when the fact is protesters were out in force. There were thousands of people on the streets cheering, and even coming over today there were thousands of people cheering and then i heard that there were protests. I said where are the protests . I dont see any protests. It was tremendous spirit and love. There was great love. The president s feuds, slamming nancy pelosi in his interview with foxs laura ingraham, just minutes before his dday speech. Nancy pelosi, i call her nervous nancy. Shes a disaster. And let her do what she wants. You know what . I think theyre in big trouble. But you know what . Pelosi refusing to take the bait and sticking to the tradition that you dont criticize your political opponents when youre outside of the country. I dont talk about the president when were out of the country. Thats my principle. And then there are the president s fascinations, basking in the glow of the royal family. Sitting down for a 90minute conversation with Prince Charles who still couldnt convince him of the fact of climate change. Ill tell you what moved me is his passion for future generations. Hes really not doing this for him. Hes doing this for future generations. And this is real. He believes that. He wants to have a world thats good for future generations. Do you want the president got good headlines, he really did, especially for his dday speech. Then stepped on his own good headlines, sitting just yards away from the graves of americans who gave their lives on dday, sitting there and slamming Robert Mueller, a marine infantry platoon commander who received a bronze star and Navy Commendation medal and who served his country as fbi director and as special counsel. The president calling him a fool. He made such a fool out of himself the last time she because what people dont report is the letter he had to do to straighten out his testimony because his testimony was wrong. I just have to say none of what he just said happened, none of that happened. Actually it was the attorney general who got it wrong. Remember, muellers letter, complaining that barrs summary did not fully capture the context, nature and substance of this offices work and conclusions and mueller hasnt testified. The entire debate right now is about whether and when he will. The judiciary chairman jerry nadler says he is confident that that will happen soon and hell subpoena mueller if necessary. The American People deserve to hear from him, out loud, in his own words, answering questions from congress about exactly what he found in his nearly twoyear investigation. Otherwise the president and his allies will continue to misrepresent, to twist and to lie about mueller and his findings, just like the president did today. But no discussion of the many sides of President Trump would be complete without mentioning his pride and joy, and thats his properties. Especially his golf courses, like the one he is staying at tonight in ireland, which he says he chose because its convenient. I guess convenience is in the eye of the beholder here, okay, because here it is. Because the president flew from london to Shannon Airport yesterday where he met with the irish Prime Minister and then he doonberg, about 40 miles away. And then from there to france, for the dday anniversary, and then back to doonberg tonight and back home tomorrow. Like i said we have seen every side of the president on this trip, charming, bombastic, his feuds, his fascinations, his good headlines and stepping on his good headlines as well. The question is what side will we see when he gets home tomorrow and has to face new developments in his many investigations in the raging battle over tariffs on mexico . I told you about one of those new developments, the newly released audio of a voicemail from the president s attorney, john dowd to Michael Flynns attorney. 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Maybe im sympathetic, i understand your situation but let me see if i cant state it in starker terms. If you have wouldnt surprise me if youd gone to make a deal and work with the government. I understand that you cant join the joint defense. Thats one thing. If, on the other hand, we have theres information that implicates the president , then weve got a National Security issue or maybe a National Security issue. I dont know. Some issue weve got to deal with, not only for the president but for the country. So, you know, then, you know, we need some kind of heads up. Just for the sake of protecting all our interests, if we can, without you having to give up any confidential information. So and if its the former, then, you know, remember what weve always said about the president and his feelings toward flynn and that still remains, but in any event let me know and i appreciate your listening and taking the time. Thanks, pal. And, don, you know, we often heard from the president s lawyers that they never were worried about what mike flynn could provide to the special counsel about the president so that really conflicts with the tone that you hear from john dowd. Its a bit of a rambling message. Another thing that stands out in that voicemail is this discussion about the president s feelings about mike flynn. Is that an offer for a pardon . Perhaps as to where you could listen to that and interpret that. And lastly, the special counsel in the special counsel report makes reference to this voicemail and interprets it to be an effort to interfere and perhaps obstruct, perhaps, with what mike flynn is trying to do to cooperate with the government. They interpret it to be something that is one of the obstructive things that were being done behind the scenes. The only question was, was dowd acting at the behest of the president . We dont know. Lets ask our legal expert here. You say this voicemail is is out of a mob textbook. Break down what you are in this voicemail. I came up as a prosecutor for john dowd was an organized crime prosecutor. So hes familiar with the tactics as well. This is the kind of thing that i used to hear in actual mob cases, real mafioso here in new york city, theyre making threats, thinly veiled but i think fairly obvious to any common sense listener what hair saying there. I need a heads up if hes going to hurt the president. And then also on the other hand sort of dangling the enticement, the carrot, right . The president still has feelings for flynn and i think the implication there is exactly what evan said, promising the potential of a pardon. Okay. So when you hear him saying the thing was about mike the feeling trump has towards flynn you think that that hes dangle a pardon . Yeah. Is that evidence of obstruction . I think it is and i thought about this, i think i would charge that if i was still a prosecutor. Granted i came up in the southern district, we were raised to be aggressive, careful but aggressive and i think its interesting that mueller chose not to. Mueller was conservative in his charging decisions. The only cases he charged were ones he had totally locked down. Is this a close call for an obstruction charge . Yes. It is a defensible case . Yes. I would absolutely charge it. I would feel comfortable going in front of a jury and playing that tape and seeing what they make of it. You remember Michael Cohen when he gave his testimony and he got a lot of criticism from Trump Supporters and lawyers, the president never said it. He said that President Trump speaks in code. Do you get that sense from this voicemail that this was a sort of in code . This is trumps lawyer, but yes, its very much in code. It would take a really reckless lawyer to come straight out and say he better not cooperate or else we will hurt him and by the way if he does not we will pardon him but again our jury system relies on the common sense of regular people and i think if you play that recording for a jury of 12 ordinary citizens here in new york, i think the implications are quite clear and i do think hes being careful. Thats what code is all about. Not quite saying it but making your intent clear. Evan, the president sat down with fox news today on the anniversary of dday and he attacked mueller and his attack really makes no sense. Lets see if you can make heads or tails of it. Here it is. He made such a fool out of himself the last time because what people dont report is the letter he had to do to straighten out his testimony because his testimony was wrong. So does this does this attack add up to you . No, it doesnt. I mean, mueller has not testified. As a matter of fact, thats one of the disagreements that had been sort of sort at a stalemate here in washington, the democrats want him to testify. He says he doesnt want to. So the president , im not sure what hes referring to. Perhaps hes talking about a letter that mueller wrote to barr to sort of get him to clarify what had been some misleading comments from the attorney general. Maybe thats what the president is talking about. But i had to scratch my head a little bit when i saw that interview. Well, lets talk about that letter because mueller wrote a letter to a. G. Barr, raising concerns about barrs fourpage summary. This is a key line from it. I want to get you to respond to, evan. He said the summary letter that the department sent to congress released to the public did not fully capture the context, nature and substance of this offices work and conclusions. The context, nature and substance. Thats really everything. I mean, if anything, the president should be upset with barr for mischaracterizing muellers report. Yeah, i think that the president heard what barr said and took that to the bank and then it turns out that the check bounced, right, and so what mueller was trying to clarify and asking barr to clarify by releasing his own summaries was exactly the more nuanced version of what the Mueller Report found so i think thats why mueller and barr sort of are at a little bit of odds over exactly what those findings were. Final word, elie, on this explanation. I think the president got turned out. Maybe he was jet lagged but he was making the point that mueller called out barr for being inaccurate. Interesting. Thank you. Thank you all. Thank you both, i should say. Thanks, don. Democrats arguing behind closed doors about opening an impeachment inquiry into President Trump. But according to politico, House Speaker pelosi wants more. 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Pause your wifi with xfinity xfi and see the secret life of pets 2 in theaters. President trump in france today to honor american heroes on the 75th anniversary of dday, but at the same time attacking Robert Mueller and nancy pelosi. Lets discuss now. Frank bruni and Douglas Brinkley are both here. So good to have you here. Douglas, im going to start with you because youre our portfolio historian. When you saw President Trump in normandy attacking mueller, a decorated veteran, insulting the House Speaker nancy pelosi, what went through your mind . I was utterly appalled. I thought how low can a president get . And thats not a partisan statement. I mean, Ronald Reagan in 1984 gave those incredible speeches at omaha beach about the u. S. Army second rangers, about liberation of europe. Donald trumps teleprompter speech was fine today, but to sit with a backdrop of the graves of our fallen heros and to act like a used car salesman doing tweet games with Nancy Pelosis new nickname and calling bob mueller a fool, the fool was the president who disappointed all of our armed forces and veterans by acting that way. You said listen, i wanted to i dont want to give the president short shrift on his speech, because the speech, he did rise to the occasion. He did. But then that is, as you said, scripted trump, correct. Exactly. And thats happened before where he says something scripted and you say, well, that was thats the 75th anniversary, i mean, the people that climbed the cliffs 75 years ago, our great soldiers, we didnt ask whether they were democrats or republicans, whether theyre bleeding liberal. These are americans that fought in the second world war, so he needed to represent our country in france, and instead he played a kind of a snarky partisan politics game trying to play to his base crowd. He cant get past himself. He cant get past his grievances. Hi, frank. This is nancy pelosi, what she had to say about the president. Watch this. I dont talk about the president when were out of the country. Thats my principle. Not only a savvy move, also the right thing to do. She won this round. Shes responded to the fact, he came up with a whole new nickname from crazy nancy to nervous nancy. So daffy donald is dabbling in alliteration now. Hes doing it against a backdrop where this should never be done. He was, as you said earlier in your show, stepping on his headlines. He could have had a lovely moment. He had a lovely moment for a moment, but donald trump the needy narcissist now im doing the alliteration, donald trump came roaring back because he just cant keep a lid on that. Frank, im sure you saw the politico reporting, the House Speaker privately told her colleagues on tuesday this, i dont want to see him impeached, i want to see him in prison. I mean, you have to wonder first who leaked it, but also, is this trying to, i wonder, thread the needle, which she is echoing, the anger in her party, but then at the same time she realizes that impeachment maybe wont work and its not the right move. Thats precisely the case. When you say who leaked it. She knew this would get out or hoped it would get out or made sure it got out. Because what shes trying to do is to say to democrats who are frustrated and crying out for impeachment. Him as you are, i want bad things to befall him and i want justice to be served, shes trying to say that youre quoting her. When she puts the brakes on impeachment, people dont say, oh, she just doesnt take this serious enough. Shes sending the message i take it very seriously i just dont think impeachment is the remedy. And we know why she doesnt think that. She thinks that will politically potentially help him and maybe facilitate his reelection in 2020. And in that context putting the brakes on impeachment seems to me the right decision. I wanted to you know how people will take things out of context and say frank bruni said. Frank bruni was quoting i was saying what i think her internal dialogue is. This wasnt frank brunis own thoughts about the president. Thank you. Thats important in this day and age because people misinterpret things. Listen, hes now calling her a, quote, meaning the president , doug, nervous nancy. Im wondering if this is a sign that the gloves are off. Remember when she said to him when she used the words coverup, he lost it. I think they had a moment where he gave her a tic tac and they were friendly for about two seconds. Those days are over now. Nancy pelosi is saying he needs to be in prison, talk about the president of the United States and meanwhile hes going to try to play a game, goading her, like youre nervous about impeachment. Go ahead and impeach me. The truth is, don, if you impeach, no president likes it. Donald trump might pretend that he likes being impeached, but, you know, bill clinton used to say my impeachments a badge of honor. No, it isnt. In the end in your obituary if youre impeached, one of the leading paragraphs is going to be you joined Andrew Johnson and bill clinton in such a, you know, disgraceful moment. And theres an asterisk on your in the presidency, on your bio, a president impeached, among the president s impeached is this president. You know, we keep saying its pelosi versus trump, but, really, dont you think its nancy pelosi versus many people in her party and now these jerry nadler who is saying he wants to move toward impeachment . That is a change dynamic. You could say its not pelosi versus trump because shes the one putting the brakes on impeachment. They share something right now. Nancy pelosi and donald trump are both people at odds with their party and are living in incredible tension with their own party members. Thank you, gentlemen. Appreciate your time. Some of the countrys Biggest Industries are going to be hurt by the president s mexico tariffs if they go through. Were going to talk to some real people working in these industries who are really worried. Thats next. Oodline. We hail from the battlefields to the badlands. From the mountains and the midtowns. From the islands to the highlands. And directly to those who understand. That when you get behind the wheel. Youre not just driving a jeep wrangler. Youre joining a family. You eat right. Mostly. You make time. When you can. But sometimes life gets in the way, and that stubborn fat just wont go away. Coolsculpting takes you further. 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You sell about 350 cars a month. Average price, 35,000. Can you walk me through what happens to the prices of these cars if tariffs go into effect. Certainly. So in this particular case on the chevrolet models, 17 of the models are actually manufactured in the mexico environment, or country as well as components, about 35 get passed between the borders. So that would in turn make a 35,000 car anywhere from 1,500 depending on the tariffs and the percent of tariffs up to 3,500 more expensive. Were worried about increase in price. I dont think ive met anyone that wants to pay more money for their car. You have to pass those on to the consumer, right, in order for you to be able to to offset the cost, the tariffs, correct . Absolutely, the manufacturer would pass them on to the dealer and the dealer would of course have to pass them on to the end user. So you say it has taken this is a quote from you. It has taken 30 years for the Auto Industry to be a global player. You cannot turn into a domestic player. Tell me what you mean by that, brad. Well, i think, as you know, 25 of the vehicles sold in america are manufactured abroad. Thats at a baseline. And 70 of the components are made on a global basis. The industry obviously had quite the shakeup in 0809. But even before then as the quality was desired by the American Consumer all of those products are now globalized. So the Global Supply chain drives that business. And, in fact, you just cant turn it off. I dont think in my lifetime will we have completely domestic organizations that build every component for a vehicle. And i think thats where the difficulty lies, really, from a time. If you look at what it takes fca just to look to invest 1. 3 billion up in detroit. It will take them five to eight years to get to that point. Gm just had an investment in fort wayne, indiana. Thats going to take another two to three years for that to happen. Its a long process for that to happen. Brad, you have the floor now. What do you want the president to know tonight . Well, i want him to know that the American Consumer will be paying those tariffs. I think its a misnomer to say that they are not, as weve seen the increases from aluminum and metal from china, those have caused price increases out there in the marketplace and i think no matter what brand or product that you have thats the impact for the American Consumer. Its a great marketplace. The American Consumer is strong. Jobs are great. Lets not disrupt that. Lets keep this going and lets not interrupt the flow of the american economy. These type of decisions can do that. If you increase the price of too many pieces of the product then in turn people are not going to buy. And the impact of that is a trickle down effect throughout every piece from jobs to advertising dollars to whatever impact it has and every environment, from a vendor to a dealer and to a manufacturer. All right. Brad, i want you to stand by because i want to bring larry in now. Larry, hello to you. You have farms in both the u. S. And mexico so i want you to please tell me and the audience about the impact these tariffs would have an your business as well as your customers. Well, so if the the first line of tariffs that are being discussed, 35 , that 5 s more than our than our net, so theres you know, the first discussion we had, can we soak those up, can we eat those ourselves . And the answer is no. So that 5 is going to get added right to the invoice to each customer and will get passed on to the consumer. The ultimate impact will be higher prices on the crops that we grow and over the long run will it depress the demand . Big impact will be on those who have the least amount of buying power. Theyll have less access to fresh fruits and vegetables, 40 to 50 of the fresh fruits and vegetables grown in the United States are grown south of the border where its warmer, where there is good soils, especially during the wintertime. Lets talk specifics, youre talking about avocados, tomatoes, berries, meat, beer, countless other products would soon become more expensive if these tariffs come to pass. What does that do to a familys food budget, larry . I cant answer. I dont know what the impact is as it goes up the supply chain but our when we bring in a box of cherry tomatoes and we grow lots of cherry tomatoes and we add 5 to the price, that 5 price will go on to the distributor, wholesaler. Whether its a large supermarket chain. Theyll add that price on to their retail price so this price just gets added on. That will increase the price of the food on the shelf. So if youre the big impact is going to be on the people with a limited amount of resources, so those who have less the least amount of money in our society. Were going to have to make a choice. Do i buy the fresh produce, the avocado, tomato, or do i buy something that costs less money . The president says, larry, that its not a tax. But you said it goes this eventually goes to the folks who can least afford it or with the limited more limited amount of resources. Does this really become a tax for them . Well, it sure feels like its a tax. Its going to increase the cost of food. Everything thats grown in mexico will have a 5 increase in the costs to the wholesaler and distributor and that will get passed on to the consumer. Larry, im going to thank you, brad, thank you as well. We appreciate both of you coming on and just behind the scenes, a little look at larrys ranch there in california, absolutely beautiful. Your office has a better view and a lot nicer than i think most of ours. 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Don, its a couple things going on here, first of all, we have conditions ripe for mass migration in Central America. Economic instability, failure of the government to be able to protect their people. High, incredible rates of violence. Dire conditions are pushing people north. Theyre encouraged along the way by smuggling organizations who have lost a lot of business as mexican migration fell off so they started turning their attention to Central America. Then when they get to the United States what you do have is an asylum system that is just overwhelmed. Weve never resourced it appropriately. As the numbers can picking up, we failed to surge resources into it. So theres an doesnt when you get here to claim asylum thats going to result in a three, four, fiveyear period of time youre able to wait in this country for your hearing. Some of these factors, you know, its funny, the solutions we tried to attempt to stop this have actually been the ones that dont address the actual factors that are driving the people here in the first place. Okay. So from what i hear you saying, more people are coming in and its being handled differently . Sure, we had a shift along the border beginning in about 2013. You saw mexican migration begin to drop dramatically. Central america migration began to pick up. Along the way, a large number of these people started claiming asylum. The problem is ultimately if you make an asylum claim, they have to make a decision. The one thing this administration has not done is surge resourced to those Immigration Courts to begin to tackle that backlog, i would expect, would actually dissipate some of the pull factor. I want to talk more about the process, the role asylum plays in all this. I spoke to congressman will hurd last night about this. This is what we told me. By treating everybody as an asylum seeker, they stay in the United States for almost five years before they go through their complete Immigration Court case, that is what is driving that is the pull that is pulling people here. So they get here and say, what . Credible fear. Right . I have credible fear. And usually, whats happening, though, theyre not doing it when theyre arrested. They get arrested. They get put in a holding tank. Theyre in a room with dozens of other people and those people say, hey, you got to claim credible fear and then you get processed differently. Okay. So two things there, which two things in, so hes saying that people are gaming the system. What hes also saying, and im not sure if you got it from the way that sound bite was edited, hes saying that also part of the problem here are the changes in the way that i. C. E. Is interpreting the asylum laws and that its coming from the administration, that it was different under obama. And that it has changed since then. Can you speak to that, please . You know, it has changed, don. Actually, the administration has narrowed the ability of people to get asylum in the United States. Jeff sessions when he was attorney general issued an a opinion that reduced eligibility for a large number of this population. Look, i have no idea some people are gaming the system. A lot of people arent gaming the system. We have a Legal Framework thats been in place for a little over 50 years now. Hold on one second. I dont mean to cut you off, with all due respect. I want to buckle down on that. This idea that, well, everybodys coming over and gaming the system, you said, no, some people are. Go on, your words. Sorry. Don, look, these are people fleeing incredible violence, under very difficult circumstances. A lot of these cases certainly under the old definition of the obama era, a lot of the people being targeted by gangs in Central America were eligible for asylum. Under the new rules more of them are not. Nevertheless, i mean, regardless of what their motivation is, youre looking at families, over 65 of these people are parents are minor children just trying to flee to get a better life. Look, i understand the frustration of the congressman, though, and the fact people can wait here five years after they cross the border unlawfully and make an asylum claim. The budget for the Immigration Courts is far lower than building a massive wall. Its far lower than increasing the detention. Things that have no impact on this crisis. If we just surged two years ago, resources into the adjudicators for asylum and Immigration Courts, we would not see those big numbers. Okay. Listen, im running out of time. I dont mean to cut you off. Well have you back. I want to talk more about this. Again, the interpretation of the rules because in part, what he was saying is that it is a crisis in part of the administrations own making because of the way theyre interpreting these immigration and asylum laws or rules, however it is. I dont disagree its a crisis of their own making. I slightly disagree thats the way theyre interpreting. I think its because of the actions theyve taken that dont actually address this problem. Thats the crisis. I agree that the administrations inaction is responsible in large part for the escalating numbers. John sandweg, we appreciate having you on. Thanks, sir. Well be right back. Applebees new loaded chicken fajitas. Now only 10. 99. Applebees new loaded chicken fajitas. Here are even more reasons to join tmobile. 1. Do you like netflix . Sure you do. Thats why its on us. 2. Unlimited data. Use as much as you want, when you want. 3. No surprises on your bill. Taxes and fees included. Still think you have a better deal . Bring in your discount, and well match it. Thats right. Tmobile will match your discount. When i had my brother take me places, it was always like, we had to get there early so i could smoke a cigarette before we go inside. Im a pain im a little sister we always had to stop for cigarettes. Yea exactly its true. Get up. First thing smoke a cigarette. Before lunch. After lunch. Another one on the way home. Before dinner. After dinner. Now that i am talking about it, im kinda feeling like i lost about 4 hours of every day. I didnt realize it was that much. I know. I decided i needed to find an alternative. So i started looking and then juul came up. I did both for a while. And eventually i just switched over, it was very quick. I honestly feel like i remember recently you asking me like did you want to smoke before we go in . And i was like no, i dont need to. This is cnn tonight. Im don lemon. Thank you so much for joining us. The president of the United States delivering a moving tribute today to the heroes who stormed the beaches of normandy in france on dday 75 years ago today. Praising the surviving veterans who are now in their 90s as being among the very greatest americans who ever live. Later in this hour, were going to hear from some hear some intense personal stories of the battles of heroes of the normandy invasion fought on that mementos day. But in the midst of honoring them, it seems the president just couldnt leave politics and political attacks at home. In the shadow of the cemetery where thousands of fallen americans were laid to rest, the president sat for an interview with fox news and didnt hesitate to slam the people who he now considers his enemies including the special counsel Robert Mueller, a decorated vietnam veteran. Do yo i