You think matters. Theres zero chance Stephen Miller is putting ideas in this president he doesnt want. He likes the harshness of the message that you come here, youre going to lose your kid. Youre going to have to find them. Were going to send you out of here and youll be telling stories that will be waking you up for weeks. He likes that. He thinks it will be a deterrent, it will keep people away and more and more of Trump Supporters are saying something ive never heard americans say before, not mainstream americans, that lady liberty, thats not a law, thats not a policy, thats just a poem. Ive never heard that in this country before. And everything hes saying is the Asylum Seekers, many people who came as immigrants were seeking asylum, people who were probably saying that, who agree with the president. If were all full up, whats next . Are we going to stop families from having children if were all full up . Weve seen societies do it. Im saying it makes absolutely no sense. Stop having babies, the country is full. Whats more likely is what his mentor and pal steve king was selling, cant keep america going, cant keep western civilization going. Somebody elses babies. When you and tim get started, keep them american. Cant keep western civilization going. Well he said it. And the president has never spoken up about what he said being wrong. Yeah. Never. So its not that farfetched. And its something that we have to keep our mind on and theres a judge right now that put an injunction on the separation policy because they couldnt keep track of it. Were going to talk about that in a little bit. Wants to do it anyway. Were going to talk about that in a little bit and other issues. But again, thank you, sir, thank you for being so kind and ill be ill need lots of advice. Yes, dear, is probably good. Dont ask me. Youre the wrong person. Dont ask falling forward is my role. When you get hit, just fall forward. Listen, i want to thank you. And your betrothed for reminding us that beautiful things happen in this world. Thank you, thank you, chris, all the best, ill see you soon. This is cnn tonight, im don lemon. And whats going on inside this white house is really stubbing, you heard chris talk about it for a little bit. Were going to dig into it more. Firings on top of firings, one resignation after another. Almost half the cabinet level jobs in this administration have turned over so far. And why . Because we have a president who wants what he wants and will do anything to get it. Regardless of what the policy or what it does, wants what he wants and hell do anything he needs to to get it, a president who is perfectly willing to bust through any and all norms that make our government function, who seems to believe that he is above the law. A president who never hesitates to throw his own people under the bus if they fail to give him what he wants, no matter how ill advised, illegal, or impossible that may be. Im going to explain more. Heres an example, the latest example, this president s efforts to shut down the border at el paso, and return to even expand his inhumane policy of separating Migrant Children from their parents. The same policy that caused outrage across the country and around the world. That put kids in cages. And that even now has forced the government to admit it could take two years just to identify thousands of already separated families. Are you hearing what im saying . The cruelty is stunning. The atlantics adam sir is arguing the cruelty is a point, its a feature, not a bug. And we are learning more tonight that we need to tell you about, a Senior Administration official telling cnn theyre considering offering migrants at the border a sophies choice, keep your family together and go to detention, or agree to be separated from your children while parents go through the Immigration Court process. One Senior Administration official says this about the president. He just wants to separate families. Now, you could be forgiven for thinking we already decided all of this nearly a year ago, remember the president said that he was keeping families together, the first lady called the policy unacceptable and heartbreaking, ivanka trump called family separation a low point. And yet here we are again. Why . Because the president wants to. He thinks separating parents from their children, even if they came in at a legal port of entry, even if they were apprehended in this country, he thinks all of it deters migrants from coming here. He thinks his voters love it. And a lot of them do. The worse the treatment of those parents and children the better this president thinks it works. The courts and the anger, the American People be damned. One Senior Administration official telling cnns jake tapper, this is a quote the president refuses to understand that the department of Homeland Security is constrained by laws. So is it really any surprise the president thought he could just demand that a legal port of entry be closed in a matter of hours . Hes consistently painted immigrants as a threat to the security of this country. Were on track for a million illegal aliens trying to rush our borders. Crime of all kinds coming through our southern board, its an invasion like youve never seen before. People hate the world invasion. We have an invasion of drugs, invasion of gangs, invasion of people. It is an invasion. Security is more important to me than trade. So were going to have a Strong Border or were going to have a closed border. The system is full. Cant take you anymore, whether its asylum, whether its anything you want, its ilLegal Immigration, cant take you anymore. We cant take you, our country is full. Our areas full. The sector is full. Cant take you anymore. Im sorry. Sources also telling jake tapper that in an Oval Office Meeting two thursdays ago the president was ranting and raving, saying Border Security was his issue, demanding that Kirsten Nielsen shut down the border at el paso the next day at noon nielsen argued all they would be doing is ending legal trade and travel and migrants would just go between ports. The president s response, another quote. I dont care. Eventually Mick Mulvaney seemed to be able to talk the president out of it though. Its like this president doesnt even think he needs a dhs secretary, just somehow to, you know, follow his orders. And who is his enabler, his henchman in all of this, sources are saying the president himself recently told aides that immigration hardliner Stephen Miller is in charge of all immigration and border related issues in this white house. The same Stephen Miller who, according to former white house staffer, cliff sims, remember, said he would be happy if not a single refugee foot ever again touched americas soil. The same Stephen Miller who just three days ago convinced the president to suddenly withdraw the nomination of i. C. E. Director ron vitiello. Were going in a tougher direction. We want to go in a tougher direction. Is it any wonder that the president forced his Homeland Security secretary to resign when she didnt give him what he wanted . Is that any wonder . Okay, well lets ask jeff sessions, h. R. Mcmaster, rex tillerson, john kelly. Now an official tells cnn there is concern that no one will want to take nielsens job. You think . And it probably didnt make the president happy when a federal judge today blocked his policy of running some Asylum Seekers to mexico to wait out their Immigration Court hearings, the ruling coming the day after nielsen hit the chopping block and Kirsten Nielsen isnt the only one, the director of the secret service was also removed in one what official calls a near systematic purge of Homeland Security, even though it was just five days ag that the president said this. I could not be happier with secret service, secret service has done a fantastic job from day one. Very happy with them. Well, now the fact is the president can have whoever he wants in his administration, whoever he wants, elections have consequences. And one of those consequences is the president gets to surround himself with people who will carry out his policies. 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Com tonight were seeing just how far President Trump is willing to go to stop immigrants from entering the United States and it apparently includes ordering officials to break the law. So lets talk about this. David gurgen is here, samantha vin grad, max booth, and also Michael Dantonio, the author of the truth about trump, so good to have all of you in this evening. The president ordered to break the law, right, and then he told them to stop letting people in, as part of a dangerous this is part of a dangerous pattern, i think, when trump wants something. And then they tell him, well, thats against the rule of law he basically orders them to do it anyway, thats dangerous pattern, dont you think . It is, don, im ready to declare a national emergency, not on the southern border, its in washington, d. C. With a president who is lawless and out of control. Donald trump, in truth, is never all that much in control. But he seems to be being driven over the brink by the fact that you had 100,000 apprehensions on the southern border in march so he is flailing. He is purging the department of Homeland Security. He got rid of Kirstjen Nielsen who you thought was a loyal soldier, she did horrible things for him allocate separating families. It wasnt enough. He was willing to violate the dictates of humanity and relate, she was not willing to violate the law itself. That is what the president of the United States demands. Did it ever occur to him his policies may be working in reverse. They might shut down the border, or theres a wall coming so were going to run over. Does he think about that . Its one of those its actually me, not you, what anybody else would be saying in this situation, a responsible president would take a step back and say my policies arent working, i need to sit down with my team and reassess whats happening. Instead, President Trump is raging against the machine. The problem is, its his machine. His Spring Cleaning exercise of the department of Homeland Security is not going to drive down ilLegal Immigration numbers. The very officials working on these issues are being purged and theres going to be transition periods. And at the same time, don, lets take a step back and ask, whats the primary job question any Job Interview right now for these cabinet officials, can you figure out how to break the law . Not will you care about from a security perspective but can you figure out how to change our asylum processes. Thats what the president is looking for, hes not looking for a secretary of Homeland Security. Hes not looking for unbiased analysis. Hes looking for a henchman or hench woman to carry out his orders at this point. He also wanted to reinstate or even expand the family separation policy. The Administration Says that migrants should either Stay Together in detention or be separated. Adam sir from the atlantic, i said this in the opening, said the cruelty is the point here. Do you agree with that . Not necessarily. Does he mind being cruel or brutal . No. It gives him no second thoughts whatsoever. But im not sure hes intentionally trying to cause harm. And intentionally trying to hurt people. I do think he wants to send a signal to people coming its a very rough process once you get here and from his point of view, whats basically going on here, in my judgment, is that he campaigned on this issue, it was central to his campaign that he would fix the borders. Hes tried for two years, its been a complete failure, growing failure and hes facing reelection and hes demanding it be fixed before he starts heading down into the Election Campaign and thats what the panic and the frustration on his part comes from the fact that he knows this is a killer for him politically unless he gets this fixed and hes willing to do damn near anything to do it and he believes the separation policy actually was the most effective thing thats been done so far. It was working from his point of view and now he wants to return to it. Go back to it. Is this the policy, the binary choice, is this the business that america should be in, this binary choice about either state you have to go in detention or not come. Stay in detention. I mean, this is incredibly cruel, don, and i speak here as somebody who was a refugee myself, i came here with my family in 1976 from the soviet union. To my mind this is exactly what makes America Great is our willingness to take in people from other lands who are oppressed, who are fleeing poverty, who are fleeing horrible conditions and we open our hearts, we open our arms and we take them in and make them americans, and donald trump is undermining the very foundation of america. I think this is assault on refugees and the fact that hes not willing to admit that anybody has a legitimate claim to asylum status in the United States. Michael, you spent time on him. Wrote the book on him. One Senior Administration official described Kirstjen Nielsen as the president becoming uncreasingly unhinged about the border crisis. Unhunged . He wants us to think hes unhunged. I agree with david that this is a 20 20 setup, that hes very frustrated, that his policies dont seem to be working. Now, i dont know that they ever did work. I disagree with david on the issue of whether this cruelty is intentional or a by product. I think he is a very sadistic person. He takes pleasure at our discomfort, at the fact that democrats are upset, that he thinks that judges are wrong and that theyre bleeding hearts and he looks for people who are willing to be cruel and sadistic as he is so thats why we have Stephen Miller driving so much of this policy. Stephen miller would not be in america if this policy were in effect in 1903 when his family came here. They came here as refugees, fleeing russia. Stephen miller would not be an american citizen under his own policies and yet he is acting like a roy cohen without the charm or without the connections or is savvy. He is directing this president into his worst impulses because he shares the sadistic and cruel attitudes. And the president finally, i think, is appealing to those impulses in certain americans, this idea that were going to solve certain problems by separating children from their mothers at the border. This is like the japanese intenderment. It will wind up being one of the cruellest chapter in our history and a shame upon our nation. Do you want to respond to that . I do believe its going to be a shameful chapter. I think thats right. But i just i have a hard time accepting that someone would set out to cruelly treat another person. A president of the United States whose own wife, his daughter is opposed to that. Hes been told how cruel this is. You may be right. I have a hard time accepting it. Returning to it now, and hes in crisis. Well, hes this is not a special moment for him. This is how he rolls. He is a sadistic, cruel person, look what hes done throughout his life publicly, it was lets attack the central park five, lets question the legitimacy of the obama presidency. Lets attack and name call every Single Person im running against, lets belittle everybody and our institutions. This is even in a different category. This policy happened. He was told by his daughter, his wife made a comment on this, there is no confusion about how cruel this is and yet hes looking to return to it. We can call that sadistic, we can call it its not that he did it once. Hes looking to go back to it to win a reelection, whichever way you cut it it is sadistic. This is Numerous Trump Administration officials in acting roles now, theres a purge at Homeland Security, and more firings expected. Look at all these people. Theyre all acting. Is this about the president being able to exert more power over these people by saying theyre acting or, you know, filling in . I think every cabinet secretary, every senior official thats in the government right now is actually acting in a certain respect because the president doesnt use them. He has a shadow cabinet of fox news personalities, foreign leaders and this threeway process he has with jared kushner, Stephen Miller and himself at the white house. Because his confirmed cabinet secretaries and officials arent empowered he undercuts them every day, throws them under the bus, he insults them, theyre not taken seriously abroad, theyre not viewed as empowered. How concerned should americans be about that . If acting secretaries are considered even less empowered the substance of any conversation any of these people are having with our foreign partners around the world is minimal. President trump has centralized all power in his own hands which means hes the only one that any foreign leader, any foreign official thinks is worth talking to. We see how well thats playing out. We see how well were protected. We see how well this country is doing on so many levels and it is a National Security risk, don, because even if he wasnt sadistic, tweeting all day and watching television, no one man can talk to every foreign leader thats required to keep this country safe. Hold your thoughts. The president has said he governs from his gut. 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Now through april 14. President trump is doubling down on his rhetoric and threats on immigration, is this a preview of whats to come in his campaign for 2020 . Back with me david gergen, samantha vinegrad and max boot and Michael Dantonio. Making immigration the priority, 2020, is this a preview . I think so, yeah, yeah, turn out the lights on the statue of liberty. This is it, right. Absolutely. His game plan is what he wants to do is succeed, get the numbers way down, if he fails food that he wants to have scapegoats and hes trying to set up the congress and the courts to be the scapegoats. Hes going to do some things that cross the line, have the courts come in, hes going to fail with the courts and then he can say, see, i tried to solve this, i was doing everything i can, the damn judges and the people in Congress Never game to an agreement. Thats his game plan. You say this all about him, fearing hell be a one term president because he didnt get the wall built. Yes, i actually think this goes back to 2015 when he came down the escalator and called people all sorts of names, theyre bringing crime, theyre bringing drugs. Lets listen to that and then well finish your response. Here it is. When mexico sends its people theyre not sending their best, theyre bringing drugs, theyre bringing crime, theyre rapists. Thats day one. Day one. And im not sure he was seriously running for president at the time but he staked out this territory as his signature issue. So he had to declare the wall would be built. He had to declare that he would stop Asylum Seekers and other immigrants. The fact that neither is happening, i think, is terribly frustrating to him. But the worst thing he could imagine would be to be a oneterm president. That humiliation is too much for him. So he will do whatever and say whatever in order to fore stall that. Thats how this started. Let me and then i see you want to get into that. Theres attacks on judge cureiell, a muslim ban, a racist 2018 ad pulled from fox news. The hardline message has been constant throughout this administration. Go on. No question that native to xenophobia core to his message. He disguised that by saying im not opposed to immigration, im opposed to ilLegal Immigration. Were seeing the falsity of that rhetoric now exposed because clearly donald trump has zero regard for the law. He is telling, according to cnn, he is telling Border Agents to break the law. To disregard the dictates of judges, the people who uphold the law in order to prevent people who have a lawful claim for asylum from coming to the United States. He doesnt give a damn about the laws. Its not about the law. This is about stigmatizing brown people, about creating hatred of immigrants in order to mobilize nativism among his base. And hes blaming these people for everything thats wrong in america, for factories shutting down, for the opioid epidemic, everything that his followers complain about, everything that hes not actually fixing, he has no Actual Solutions to their problems, instead he is distracting their attention by making it seem as if people coming over the border, theyre the real problem. Hes a selfa vowed nationalist. Considering the this is one of the issues the family separation policy. Despite these outrages about the border, his prospects for winning reelection appear to be improving. As you sort through the Democratic Candidates and what kind of challenges they made, you look for who can be standing up here on the stage, who is as tough as he is, its not so clear that his opponents are up to this. And its also clear that if he has the economy he thinks hes going to have his prospects are going to be high. There was a wall street journal poll that captured my attention, it was among wall street analysts, 70 said they think hes going to win reelection. Therefore saying a good economy will put him in. Actual wholesale immigration perspective, we talked about ilLegal Immigration, but he was elected president and one thing hes been consistent on is ilLegal Immigration isnt going down, but he has very successfully attacked Legal Immigration as well. You mentioned refugees earlier, max, but he is using the state department to drastically reduce the number of refugees let into this country. Theyre not coming here illegally. Were at a ceiling of 30,000 refugees that will be let in this fiscal year if he allows their applications to be processed. If he is elected in 2020 we can expect ilLegal Immigration to continue going up because his Border Security policies are so poor while he continues to reduce all Legal Immigration that he can from muslim majority countries, by refugees and other minority groups. Hes a president , and theres a secretary of state that talk about championing religious the rights of those that are persecuted for their religious beliefs while they cut refugee numbers coming into this country. Thats what a reelection for donald trump will look like in 2020, more of the same on legal and ilLegal Immigration. But yet tonight you had senator Chuck Grassley warning the white house not to fire another immigration official. He specifically is talking about director of u. S. Citizenship and he also had leader Mitch Mcconnell praising secretary nielsen, or the former secretary, i guess, as of today, on the senate floor also warning that talking about closing the border last week, he warned about that. Do you think republicans are getting concerned about this approach . Not concerned enough, don. I mean, i think they get concerned when trump pro poses to do something really crazy. Push 3 million americans out of work, have the industry grinded to a halt. People like mcconnell were alarmed and trump felt compelled to back down. But theyre not expressing the right to outrage. Theyre hardly expressing any outrage at all about the family separation policy, about turning tear gassing women and children, about all the cruelty that is involved in Donald Trumps antiimmigration policy. I hardly here a peep coming out of the Republican Party and its a disgrace because previous republican president s like Ronald Reagan who david worked for they believed in immigration, championed immigration because they understood that immigration is what made America Great and donald trump and Stephen Miller are really redefining what america is all about. Thats why theyre saying the emma lazarus poem on the statue of liberty doesnt apply anymore. Thats going to the very core of what this country is all about. If he wins another term we are going to be a very different country by the end of his time in office. Governing from his gut, is that the problem . Theres not a lot of brains down there, thats the problem. If you look at the stuff hes actually proposing, like a week ago, hes slashing aid to the countries in Central America where that aid was actually the only thing that was reducing migration from el salvador. We were helping them deal with their crime problem. Hes slashing that so it will backfire and there will be more migration. Thats what happens when you make policies with your gut and not with your head. Guess what . Congress has leveraged there. Any outrage that mcconnell or whomever are supposedly expressing behind closed doors, grow up and use your leverage to get the president to change his policies. Congress has a huge amount of leverage over a foreign assistance budget. These things have to pass the senate. There are going to be nomination hearings at some point for any cabinet officials that have to go forward. I am tired of hearing that people are telling the president that, you know, he should change policies when theyre in the oval office. Mitch mcconnell, senator graham and others could actually make material changes. They are choosing not to. We dont know why but its time for them to either speak up or just stop pretending theyre outraged. Heres what i want to know. Is it possible he is doing this, creating the chaos because he wants there to be a crisis at the border, hes creating this, its backfiring, hes doing it so it looks like a crisis and then hes the guy who comes in and saves them. Thats always been his method and hes also always believed he can hang in there longer than anybody else and that eventually by some circumstance the tide will change and hell say, look, its moving in my direction, i must be right. It depends on the timing. The one thing that i think is most disturbing about what hes doing is donald trump, during the campaign, said that he didnt think america was the exceptional country. He said, well, we kill people too, were not exceptional. What hes doing now is persuading the congress and trying to persuade the United States and then the world that we indeed are not exceptional, we do not practice human rights, we do not welcome refugees and Asylum Seekers, were just like any other country, were going to throw up our hands and walk away from the problems of people who are in need. And this is what i think mcconnell and others are accepting, its a small vision of america, were no longer exceptional, were small minded just like donald trump. 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Even our pets know to go because its the easiest way to save 30 on all the medications we carry. So skip the search and go directly to petmeds. Com now. Attorney general william barr heads to the hill tomorrow for a hearing thats supposed to about funding for the justice department, but he is likely to face questions about what the redacted version of the Mueller Report will look like. This as house judiciary chairman jerry nadler says he wants to bring in the special counsel to testify. I want to bring in john beast who worked as assistant Deputy Assistant attorney general, and michael moore, a former u. S. Attorney. Thank you gentlemen, i appreciate you coming on and i appreciate your expertise on this. Michael, start with you. Sure. Congressional democrats are expected to grill barr about the mueller investigation. What do you want them to ask . You know, its not surprising that theyre going to take the opportunity to do that. This is the First Time Since he wrote his summary to come and give a public statement. Id probably want to hear how it was he digested the depth and breadth of that report in such a short amount of time and was able to knock it down to four pages. If you take his version of it its sort of like somebody reading the book of genesis and telling you they understand the intracasies of the entire bible. I hope they will go in at some point into his selfdetermination there was not an obstruction charge. That has seemed to draw out contradictory views from counsels team. Realizing this is an appropriations hearing i dont know how far theyll go into that, id be interested to hear what he had to say on that. Cnn obtained a transcript. Heres how it reads. Last week the New York Times reported the special counsels office had already created summary documents that were ignored in your letter and that some investigators within the special counsels office felt your summary understates the level of malfeasance by the president and several of his campaign and white house advisers. Right. So it sounds like democrats arent going to hold back here, especially now that muellers investigators reportedly are voicing their frustration. Well, and i think that was the fallacy with this fourpage summary. I mean, there was no way that that was not going to open the door to criticism. He would have been much better off to just say im going to withhold anything, im going to look to the report, talk to bob mueller, work hand in hand to get as much information as we can to the congress and do it with x number of days. As stated he puts out something thats clearly one sided, clearly going to draw criticism and it gives the appearance, as opposed to somebody trying to be open that he was more interested in just trying to clear the president as quickly as he could. He was basically writing the letter for an audience of one. John, lets bring you in now. You worked in the obama administrations justice the department of justice. Barr has set out a lot of potential restrictions according to his letter to congress. He wants to remove information by law that cant be made public, information on sources and methods, relating to other investigations or information that would infringe on the privacy of third parties, what do you think this version of the report will look like . Well, im hopeful that the attorney general will do the right thing and make public everything that lawfully can be made public, don, its important to remember that what the public gets to see and what Congress Gets to see also is a different question, and there are things that can be disclosed to congress that even if there are reasons not to give them to the public can be shown to congress and to committees working on this. Michael, barr is under a lot of pressure from congress and the public. Do you think that thats going to make a difference . You know, i would like to hope so. Id like to hope we could take him at his word from his confirmation hearing that hell be as transparent as he can. The problem hes got is that congress leaks like a sieve. There are some provisions, and i agree with my colleague here, that there are some very specific provisions and arrangements for congress to take classified information, security information for sources and methods. The question at the end of the day is whether or not that stuff would remain sealed so i dont think theres any question were going to see a redacted report. In some ways i support it. I dont always want grand jury information coming out but i think you have to remember that this we have crossed the rim from a judicial process to a political process at this point. And so the standards and the tests may be a little bit different. Thats a very good point. John, youre the house judiciary chair, mr. Nadler wont say if hes going to issue the subpoena for the full report for the attorney general releases the redacted report. Do you think thats the right approach . Yes, i think it makes sense to see what hes going to see, what the attorney general is going to release before you decide whether to issue the subpoena. But, you know, it is the department of justices official position that congress is the right place to adjudicate president ial wrongdoing. And i think it would make sense for the department then to give Congress Access to evidence it needs to evaluate that question. Unlike barr, john, mueller is not a trump appointee. Hes seen as a straight shooter. How important is it that we hear from mueller . I think its very important. But by reputation mueller is a longterm Law Enforcement person. Hes a straight shooter and someone who will follow the marching orders. If the Department Tells him what he can and cant say he will follow that advice. Its important to get his take on what he found. Gentlemen, thank you for your take, i appreciate it. Were learning more about the chinese woman who attempted to get into maralago, including the devices found in her hotel room raising more questions about exactly what she was up to. These folks, they dont have time to go to the post office they have businesses to grow customers to care for lives to get home to they use stamps. 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All that in addition to the other devices including a thumb drive with malware on it. So lets discuss about it. Lets talk more. Did some people down play this. The importance or seriousness of this story initially . Now it seems to be it could be serious. And ive said on your show before theres a large part of counterintelligence and looking at patterns and so you have this woman have a an adversarial nation. China. Not unlike russia, iran and the others who shows up in a place where theres lots of interesting conversations and things going on with that laundry list you just went through of things that look to me very much like espionagerelated things. Difficult to track. Burner phones you can use to hide what youre up to, cash, harder to track than a credit card and of course the device that detects cameras, microphones and that sort of thing. Is it possible shes just a trump fan or a creepy woman or is it possible shes trying to use that malware on that thumb drive to penetrate a network or maralago to collect information or cause disruption . I think its much more likely its a chinese operation than anything else. They detailed all the devices and cash this woman had in her hotel room. Does that explain what she was doing that president s club . No. I often travel with thumb drives and a phone or two. Rarely do i have 8,000 in cash. That being said youre showing up at maralago with devices that could facilitate espionage. However she had a laughably thin cover story. She said she was there to look for the pool and didnt have her bathing suit. If this is the best chinese intelligence has to throw at us, im going to sleep well. I think were good. Maybe she was there is there some industrial espionage, an amateur operation . It looks like that, especially the device she had to track hidden cameras. I dont know anyone who travel would anything like that. This thumb drive that immediately began to innext infect the secret service computer. Ive never had a thumb drive that could infect anything. I hope not, anyway. That looks suspicious. And the president s club. Where he visits a lot. The same invitation posted on cindy yangs website who was allegedly selling access to trump events at maralago. A florida spa owner. Is that a huge red flag there . I dont know that theres any huge red flags except what people are raising correctly, which is how could more thought not have gone into this . What have the chinese learned from the russians and pretty much everybody else about the administration and how seriously the president listens to the advice hes given about electronic devices. The fact he tweets so much. This is no longer a hard target for them. Just because youre the Chinese Intelligence Services and you have a really good capability doesnt mean you have to use the most subtle of it. Theyve learned whats the worst thats going to happen if you get caught . In the next meeting donald trump is going to sit down with the chinese president , maybe not, the chinese president will deny it. And trump will say he said he denied it, so it must not be espionage. Theyve learned they dont have to work very hard for this. Attorney general william barr is going to be grilled on the hill tomorrow. But what will he say about his plans for Robert Muellers report . If you have moderate to severe psoriasis, Little Things can be a big deal. Thats why theres otezla. Otezla is not a cream. Its a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. With otezla, 75 clearer skin is achievable. Dont use if youre allergic to otezla. It may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. Otezla is associated with an increased risk of depression. 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Just hours from now the attorney general william barr will face a Congressional Committee for the First Time Since he released his fourpage letter about the Mueller Report. The pressure is on to explain why he summed up a report using just a handful of lines from the actual report. Democrats on the committee are planning to drill down on that tomorrow. The chairwoman saying this is a quote, in part, even for someone who has done this job before, i would argue it is more suspicious than impressive. Attorney general says hell release a redacted version by the middle of this month and the clock is ticking. It could come any day now. The problem is we dont know how much of the report well actually see because the ag is the one mocking the calls on what will be redacted. Will law makers press him on what hes going to leave out and why . Were going to find out