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Miguel, youre at whats being described as ground zero of this devastation. What are you seeing . It is ground zero. It is literally like a giant bomb went off, leveled this town, wiped it almost off the face of the earth. For 20 or 30 miles out, it is devastation. This was a light pole. It is shorn off completely, cleanly. This was part of a house that was probably down here. All the house in this area all around us, theyre scrubbed down to the foundation. This is what we see through town for the most part as we were going through town. All of that debris, that was a house that is now up against a house that is remaining. There are some apartment buildings, some condos that are in large piece, but for the most part, they are hugely damaged. The roof are off. There are boat in the street. Its a wreck. Its going to be a very long time and a very hard hill for mexico beach to climb. Ive heard from people from all over the place who know this place who love this little town and they cannot believe how badly it has been damaged. Miguel, ive got to ask you this because you have name of people who survived the hurricane and they want to get the message out to their family they are okay. Give us some names. A lot of people rode it out here. We are starting to hear from them. Some cell service is starting to come back. Weve met a bunch of people today who were guess desperate for relatives to know they were okay. Robin retdloff, her family in michigan, dawn vickers had a big family, three dog, theyre all okay. Robert brock, his family is in florida. Is he okay. David siebert, his mother evacuated. He said she was more sensible than i was. I wish i could get to her now in mobile, alabama. He wants her to know hes okay. And annet cofield and her 92yearold mother were taken out by ambulance today, they are okay, safe and sound. Weve talked to people across the area here who theyre either trying to get word out, looking pore somebody. Some people are getting in. But it is very, very few. Youre doing a real service, thank you for that. How hard was it to get to where youre reporting from tonight . Reporter it was a three or fourhour trip. Part of it, the road were completely covered by trees. You had to go alongside the road in very sort of muddy feeds to get through it. It was not easy. Some of the other road like 98 along the ocean are open. But the big chunks of 98 here in mexico beach are just gone. Theyve been washed out completely where you cant get around. You have to go back into the neighborhood and sneak around to get back on to 98. But it is an absolute mess. Don . Were looking at some of the image, miguel. Where you are, whats around you . Is that a flattened hope behind you . Reporter this is probably the debris from home that were nearer the ocean. Were about a block from the ocean here. All that debris came this way. There are a couple structures standing there. For the most part, everythings been wiped away. Most of the home look a lot like this. There are large debris piles we cant show you because its too dark completely blocking the road. You have to through driveways and around shop to get up and down 98. It is an absolute mess. It just it is shocking that anyone that was in this town survived. Theyve had no report of any injury or any death at this point in mexico beach. Its not clear how many stayed. Theres about 165 member of search and rescue from both florida and louisiana who are trying to get through home here. But it is difficult. They are trying to start with those that they knew that somebody was there, but sometimes they get to that address and theres nothing left. They had to piece together where is that person who said that they were staying. Miguel, thank you very much. Please be safe out there. I want to bring in now gerald george, Task Force Leader of Indiana Task Force 1. He leads a group of 16 rescuers and joins us on the phone from panama city, florida. We appreciate it. What are you seeing out there . Well, we rolled into town this morning and obviously, theres a lot of devastation from the wind damage and a lot of tree down, power line down and a lot of homes and business have been partially destroyed or totally destroyed. Rescue efforts, are you having to rescue any people . We went out today to do primary certainly after teams did hasty searches and basically wen door to door checking on people that either didnt either stayed at home or kind of went back home now and made sure theyre okay. We had one gentleman that was 89 years old that rode the storm out but we had to call an ambulance for him and have him transported. As far as nos real high water issue or anything like that, just a lot of destruction from the high wind damage that came through here. Are you continuing that through the night or do you stop at sundown . At some point its probably not safe for you, as well. Correct. We stop at sundown. We went a little past to finish the mission we had tonight, were staying at the panama city pall at the parking lot and set up base camp here with tents and stuff and getting guy bedded down fortnight and getting ready for tomorrow to see what that brings. But no electricity, right . No electricity. We bring our own tents and generator and stuff like that to be selfsufficient for 72 hours or so. As youre looking around out there, are surprised by the number of people who stayed . Are you seeing many . Yeah, theres a lot of people, a lot of traffic around. I cant tell who stayed or who came back since the storm happened when we rolled in this morning. There was a long line of people trying to get back in. When we came in and stopped at a restaurant, we see people that said theyve left to get out. Sounds like theres quite a few people who did leave and again, i think that may be some of the reason were not seeing as many people hurt and things like that because a lot of people probably did leave and now theyre trying to get back in to check out their homes and stuff. I would imagine you guy havent had a chance to see a lot of this. You may not be able to answer the next question. Are you there for the duration . Can you even gauge . Weve been assigned as a resource to the state of florida. Were right now in panama city and will work here till they dont need us anymore and then well probably be here and staging for whatever they may be need, mexico beach, any of those area. Weve got other teams that are headed to that area now. As far as the federal teams heading down there to assist with the state resources. Weve got two teams going to mexico beach right now. Gerald george, Task Force Leader, youre doing gods work out there, task force one. Thank you so much. Appreciate it, thank you very much. Rescue and Recovery Mission continue across the southeast. We have breaking news in the shocking story of a missing journalist. The Washington Post is reporting turkey says they have recordings proving he was killed inside the saudi consulate. music throughout discover. O. I like your card, but im absolutely not paying an annual fee. Discover has no annual fees. Really . Yeah. We just dont believe in them. Oh nice. You would not believe how long ive been rehearsing that. No annual fee on any card. Only from discover. [ telephone ringing ] whoa. [ indistinct talking ] deductible . Definitely speaking insurance. Additional interest on umbrella policy . Can you translate . Damage minimization of civil commotion. When insurance needs translating, get answers in plain english at progressiveanswers. Com. He wants you to sign karens birthday card. Its a high honor. So heres the breaking news tonight. The turkish government told the u. S. They have video and audio proving saudi dissident and u. S. Journalist Jamal Khashoggi was murdered in the saudi consulate. Earlier today, the president vowed to investigate what happened to khashoggi but seemed to draw a red line on how far we would go to punish the saudis if they were found responsible. Will Jamal Khashoggis case affect the way you deal with mbs . We have to see what happens. A lot of work is being done on that. Well see what happens. I dont like stopping massive amount of money being poured into our country. I know theyre talking about different kinds of sanction but theyre spending 110 billion on military equipment and on things that create jobs like jobs and other for this country. I dont like the concept of stopping an investment of 110 billion into the United States. Hmm. Phil mudd is here as well as juliette khiyam. Good evening. What do you make of that comment, phil . I mean, the president s not the first person to say that. Lets be clear. If you look at American History and my yen ration and relationship with everybody from the haitian to the filipino to the egyptian, the american like to make money. If theres a dictator to provide security in an environment and also buy billion of dollars of american weapon, the president is in a proud history of american whos said we will sacrifice democracy and human rights even if it means saying its okaying to murder an oppositionist, if it means a relationship with a foreign leader and security and weapons sales. Hes part of a long history, don. Juliette, what signal is it is about not sure about taking arms off the table . What signal does that send to the saudis . Its not a welcome mat but i think the saudis are happy and i would suggest theyre not surprised. We are here at this moment because nos other saudi leader and they have all been totalitarians and kings, would have ever thought of taking a u. S. National who, would for a National Newspaper and kill him in the turkish embassy. We had here because the distinction between the u. S. Interest and the trump and kushner financial interest is unclear to us and therefore, unclear to the saudis. We are here at this moment because we dont have a saudi ambassador or saudi cuss relations are rub by the soninlaw who has been razzled and dazzled by a dynamic and good looking new leader but who everyone in National Security has been weary and skeptical of. Were here at this moment not because of Donald Trumps bad luck or hard choice but because for the last two years, whether as phil said its russia or the chinese taking the head of interpol or now whats happened with saudi arabia, we are here because for the last two years, we have essentially said we wont do anything and so its a choice, the challenge that donald trump has is was created because of a Foreign Policy for the last two years. And its worth remembering that. No other saudi leader would have done this. Lets get to the story, okay . The nuts and bolt of it because phil, if audio and video of khashoggis murder exist, that would be shocking and definitive proof that the saudis are behind this. It would be, but you better show me the money. I mean, when i heard the comments about audio and video today, i not only want to see the audio and video, in the old intel world where i worked i dont trust anybody, i dont trust my mom and dad. I want to see the audio and video and do technical tests to make sure you didnt fake it. The most significant story is if you get that audio and video, the president as we saw in the clip you just played will be skeptical about it. The Congressional Committee are going to look at it, as well. Regardless of what the president did, theyll say things like should we sanction saudis and take away these weapons deals . Should we prevent hair ability to travel the United States and use the United States Financial Institution . There are a lot of implication here, don. The video of him going into the consulate is not enough for you . No, not unless i see the fiscal evidence. Im not saying it didnt happen. Im saying if im dealing with a foreignings in service, i dont want to just see the video. I want to see all the technical stuff, the raw video. I dont trust anybody. I suspect what happened was the saudis murdered him. I dont doubt it. Theres a big difference between what i think and what i know. I dont know anything till you i see the evidence. The president seemed to suggest the u. S. Didnt have a responsibility to warn khashoggi if it turned out they had evidence saudis were planning something because he wasnt a u. S. Citizen. Is that how it works . No, actually, its a distinction he was a u. S. National so in other words, the law and its complicated talks in terms of a u. S. Person and the responsibility to a u. S. Person because immigration status shouldnt matter. But from the saudis perspective, he is writing for a United States newspaper, having a global audience criticizing the new leadership and the royal family. So it shouldnt matter what his exact immigration status is. What matter is is that he worked for a u. S. Newspaper or was a columnist for them and that he was critical from his perch working for a u. S. Newspaper of the saudis. So that distinction between nothing. Look, i mean, we all there are lots of people who represent United States interest who are not u. S. Citizen. Right . So you dont kill those people. You dont allow them to be killed. So thats a distinction hes trying to get out of it in terms of his legal responsibility let alone his moral responsibility. The saudis knew exactly what they were doing when they did it and they knew exactly that we were the nation that would be faced with this dilemma. The turks arent. So thats its bogus. Its bogus. Guy, listen to this is this exchange is from the state department. Its remarkable. Whats the name of the ambassador in turkey right now . I dont have that in front of me right now. Whats the name of the ambassador in saudi arabia right now. I see what youre getting at. We are confident. You dont have an ambassador at either place. In riyadh he has been nominated to be the ambassador to yemen. Is it correct you do not have ambassador in place Florida State either ankara or ril yad. We have senior democratic officials. So the fact that we dont have an ambassador in either saudi arabia or turkey, does that affect our ability to handle the situationing . You will have technically, look the heads of these embassy and the consulate will be empowered to do what they need to do on a day to day basis. I think the reporters point is very important because what it did mean is that there is no trump official, nothing political official who represent the Trump Administration in these country. And i think what the suggestion should be is then who is in charge. What weve receive with saudi arabia is none of that stuff is being played out of the embassy or the consulate but by Jared Kushner. Jared kushner has personal financial dealing with saudi arabia as does donald trump. The west is reporting tonight that the uptick income saudi spending on Trump Properties has increased in the last year. So the fact that we dont have an ambassador doesnt matter to the saudis because they have jared. And i think Jared Kushner has a lot of the explaining to do of why he at best, at best got played. Last word to you, phil. But theyre probably not going to negotiate with a figurehead. They want to go straight to the horses mouth meaning the administration or someone they know. Absolutely right. My first job was working for the saudi government. They understand power and two things, jewelette nailed it. The ambassador is Jared Kushner. The administration has dealt with other dictator including the north korean who are involved in the murder Otto Warmbier of an american citizen. Theyre saying i can deal with a white house that will acknowledge the murder of citizen as long as it has to do with Donald Trumps furthering of his diplomatic ends. They got played. They will win. Thank you, phil and jewelette. Appreciate your time. While all of this is going on, kanye in the oval office. There was something about when i put this hat on, it made me feel like superman. Thats my favorite of superhero. Stay right here. You want to see whats next. If you have psoriasis, Little Things can be a big deal. Thats why theres otezla. Otezla is not a cream. Its a pill that treats moderate to Severe Plaque Psoriasis differently. With otezla,75 clearer skin is achievable. 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There was something about when i put this hat on, it made me feel like superman. Thats my favorite super hero. When i said i like trump to like someone thats liberal, theyll say oh, but hes racist. You think racism can control me . Thats an invisible wall. Yeah, that was the oval office. Here to discuss is charles blow and steve cortes. Good evening to you. Thank you so much for joining us. Charles, hundreds of thousand of people along the gulf coast. President trump and kanye that was a spectacle. They call it a stunt queen. These are both guy who like that thing. Right . And on a very serious note, what donald trump keeps showing us over and over and over again is he care not one iota about the issue surrounding black people. Because if he cared, all of his interaction would not be with these kind of unstable eccentric characters. They would be with people who actually understand those policy, people who sometimes disagree with him. And he would invite the press in like every one of these situation he invites the press in. Those pastor we dont know where their church are, all those pastor around the table, invite the press in, nobody had to come into that meeting. The president control access to the oval office. We want to see con yale doll kanye. Well, steve, ive got to ask you. Honestly under what circumstances did anyone at the white house think this meeting was a good idea on today of all days . You know, don, you said this meeting was embarrassing. I think whats embarrassing is the con deessential youve shown to kanye west, a creative genius. Does he speak in a different vernacular . Of course, he does. Its one i dont always understand but i do understand hes a great thinker. And for you and a lot of guests to dismiss him as a token negro and quell his mental stability when you havent examined him is unfortunate. Its an example unfortunately that is all too common on the left which is liberal when a minority doesnt tow the party line. The person who said that comment that the token negro is a conservative. Go on. Not in my mind shes not. More to the point which i think is. She didnt call him a token negro. She said all of a sudden now he is the token negro for the Trump Administration. Talking about him, right. Now, to Charles Point about does this president care about minority my personal experience with him in that same oval Office Without camera present, all he wanted to know about from me what can i do for the hispanic community, i said one thing lets send a tweet and talk about more longterm things we can do. He absolutely care whether the camera is on or off. But kanye west is a person who speaks from the heart. You call it a rant. You always say this in your chiron. You eddiorialize. It was inspirational. I find him creative. I find him inspiring. In that room, had you three people, an amazing artist, amazing athlete and amazing builder all saying what can we do in the political process to make the prosperity and security of america broader. Into minority communities. Thats a great thing for this country. Jim brown are, kanye west, donald trump are great men trying to help this country. I dont have the energy tonight because theres so much. Let me put out a little bit. There is so much. Im not even going to go ahead. You remember when barack obama was quoting jayz and Michelle Obama said if she wanted to be like somebody, she banned to be like beyonce. They will searched through every lyric, these were not genius or honorable people, these were horrible people they said. Rappers have rapper lyric. Now all of a sudden he is the paragon of moral virtue and hes a genius. Im not im saying these conservative do this thing. If liberal like him, if president obama likes him, that is the spawn of satan. When common performed at the white house, they went through every one of his songs to find lyric they found offensive and said this is why obama should not have this man at the white house. All of a sudden, hes a genius flip kanye hasnt had a genius record since graduation in 2007. I like kanye. Make your music, brother. Dont say that we are saying that kanye has a mental problem. Kanye is telling us kanye has a mental problem. It wasnt kanyes problem he was in the oval office. You said it was an unstable rant and it was not in my view at all. You werent watching television because and i dont understand how is watching someone with sense, with eye and with ears and talking about the mental issue that they are confirming and addressing themselves, how is that people have been saying its disparaging. How is that disparaging . How can you take the stigma off mental issue if you pretend that you cant talk about it or that they dont exist when hes telling you i had them and im not taking my medication . No, you didnt say he has had issue. He certainly has addressed as well he should. He says h has. You said earlier today this was a minstrel show. Could you be any more condescending to this man. Im just telling the truth. Its not im not being condescending to him. Im telling the truth. If you ask africanamerican around the country, theyll tell you the exact same thing. Thats whats it looked like today, sadly. Im saying this not out of animus, hold on, not out of animus for west but because i feel sorry for him. He needs to take care of himself. He doesnt need your pity. Giving him the wrong advice by allowing him to go out and do this. Look, these are the kind of tactic that you and the resistance, you and your antitrump folks like to employ. No, no, not you, maria. Steve. Go ahead, steve. You and your friends and ally in the resistance, these. Im not in the resistance. Please, steve, im not part of the resistance. Just because the truth is not on your side. You call trump a racist every night. Did i call him one tonight . Im not sure if you have yet. Just about every night. Dont make up things. Youre making up things again. If i called him that, i do it out of evidence. Just about every night. I do it a lot. I do it when warned. When we minority dare to think for ourselves and dare to leave liberal orthodoxy, we are immediately vilified and called uncle tom. Steve, speak for yourself. Im not buying into that. I dont care. I dont care if you call me those words. I think about the person who is saying it. So if kanye west wants to be a conservative, thats his business. If kanye west wants to support donald trump, thats his business. But have some sense about it. Dont go in the oval office and embarrass yourself by speaking nonsec question tar about things have you no idea about, talking about hydrogen aviation. You know the last time . It is it was the hindenburg. You see what happened with that. So its he doesnt speak in a scripted lawyerly manner. Ill be the first to say that. He doesnt speak in a political manner. He speaks in vernacular. That is not a vernacular. How do you know its a vernacular. I get a lot of it. I get the most important points. When he said the maga hat was a superman cape, i got that. Trump put confidence back flow america. Small business survey, consumer confidence, this country is soaring with optimism. Why didnt you ever say that you act like you act like there country is soaring with optimism. You act like the people on this television are only in studio in washington and new york. Ive lived in four red states. I grew up in a red state. I visit red states almost every week. I was in a red state last week. I know what red state people are talking about. Im not stupid when it comes to that. I interview people from red states. Speaking of con deskengs, you tell me what you think i think which you have no idea about. No. And you have and then you watch something on television that is deeply disturbing and you try to pretend its not happening because you want to capitalize on it politically. What did you say back in the day when common went to the white house when is he said george bush didnt care about white people . What did you say when people were calling him the n word for interrupting taylor swift . Did you come to wests defense. I dont think so. Im not saying kanye is infallible. He doesnt walk on water. When i watched his speech today, i found it inspirational. I mean, thats not even true. Thats not even true. It didnt make sense. Did you saying mf in the white house inspirational . No, i dont finds it inspirational. Let me give you this. You said hes a genius. I wonder if you agree with that. Yes, hes a creative genius. He says i say f the police. Thats how i treat them. We buy our way out of jail. We can but we cant buy freedom. Another one that said i dont give a f, i dont give an f. But cops choking n word out of the media, weve going to have a protest and tear the city up. We about to tear this whole place up pretty much. You think thats genius. Of course not. Thats not what im saying. Im saying that i did watch all an it was roughly 20 minutes today. I found it inspirational. I found it to me at least a very reminiscent of the very conversation i was having with the president. I didnt throw around f bombs. Im not a creative genius. I spoke in a more political manner with the president. When kanye says something that you dont understand or agree with, when kanye says something that you dont understand or agree with, its because he is a genius. If i Say Something you dont understand or agree with, i am condescending. Can we had add that that this Police Language was specifically what they attacked common for. Thats why i read it. The exact same thing they attacked common for. Just go ahead. Thats what the meeting was supposed to be about but go on, steve. Heres the thing too, be i think its unfair to attack me saying im being twofaced on this because im not. Im not attacking you. Im responding to what you said did me. Thats not an attack. Okay. How about this though, when the president attacked lebron james and called him dumb or essentially called him dumb, described him as dumb, i said that was a mistake, that was unfortunate. Hes a genius too in his own way in business and athletic maybe in education. Certainly a great heart in education. So i thought that was wrong. Its interesting to me the very folks who immediately jumped on president s case for saying that against lebron, which he should have never said, those very same folks are so quick to jump on kanye and call him dumb and again, if they dont use that exact phrase, theyre describing him that way. You laugh at him when they said hes antias well will intellectual and doesnt have the depth to discuss these issue. This man is a mogul. Who are you talking about lebron or kanye . I lost you. Are you talking about kanye. Now im talking about kanye. Both of them. Lets be fair here. Youre talking about antiintellectualism. Read and do a google search. Kanye has said himself he does not read. When people say kanye should read, theyre talking about antiintellectualism. He admitted he doesnt like to read the same as the president admitted he doesnt read, as well. If hes not going to read and up on issue perhaps he should stand back before coming out and speaking with some authority. Theres a lot of kind of smart out there. Its not all scholarly and academic. This president if we want to talk about him, i wish i was at cuff as this president to have an ivy league doog and be president of the United States. Thats your aspiration. I wish i could lack the dep there. If you had 432 million to start with, you may be that, as well. I got to go. Thank you. Well be right back. Come on dad higher higher parents arent perfect, but then they make us Kraft Mac Cheese and everythings good again. This is actually under your budget. Its great. Mmhmm. Yeah, and when you move in, geico could help you save on renters insurance man 1 behind wall yep, geico helped me with renters insurance, too um. The walls seem a bit thin. Man 2 behind wall they are and craig practices the accordion every night says the guy who sings karaoke by himself. Im a very shy singer. Youre tone deaf ehh. Should we move on to the next one . 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Rooftop were ripped off of buildings, theyre completely collapsed. Power line everywhere. Luckily the search and rescue coordination have been taking in all the 911 calls and prioritize who needs assistance there. Beak they prioritized those calls, they hand it out to us and we get out to these location. Its a little difficult. Youve got a lat long and street address. You lower the rescue swimmer down there. If you can imagine it the cat four hurricane wiped out. So you dont have street sign or and knocking down door, trying to find people in need. I want to thank all the local First Responders out there, the local law enforcement. They were great helping out our guy and patching up the patient, getting them the assistance we needed so we could hoist them and take them to the local medical facility. The family of nine people trapped in their bathroom in the center of their house, tell us more about that. How did you get them to safety again . Yes, sir, we got there. Our swimmer went down there and spoke to one of their nanz they said there was a family of nine. They went to the center of the husband to maximize their safety and there were six adults and three children trapped in a bathroom. As you can imagine, theyre completely out of it, scared. Our swimmer went down to calm them, explain the procedure. We hoisted them up into the helicopter. Our flight mech got them organized. We took them to the hospital, bay medical and took two trips. The medical professionals were great waiting for them, provided all the care. One of the lady had an injury. Part of the roof collapsed and hit her on the head. They had a couple scrapes and bruise but we think theyre fine today. Commander ray slapkunas, good luck, youre doing great work. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Next a cnn exclusive. After months of negotiation President Trumps lawyers have found some middle ground with the special counsel in the russia investigation. 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This is how the president responded today, john, when asked if he was willing to sit down with mueller. Here it is. It seems ridiculous id have to do it when everyone says theres no collusion, but ill do whats necessary to get it over with. The president has said a number of times he wants to sit down with robert mueller, and while his lawyer Rudy Giuliani has says it wont happen, is there a chance they will a facetoface interview . I think its very remote. His television lawyer, rudy, is making one set of statements. His real lawyers who are working quietly behind the scenes and actually developing these responses and negotiating with the special counsel, im sure they dont want him to sit down either. So i think its very unlikely, and this is just a public stance, that he wants the public to think hes more than willing. And so itd be because his lawyers dont think its smart. So back in march the special counsel raised the possibility of using a special subpoena to compel trump to testify. Do you think that could still happen . Well, it theoretically could. All we know is what were being told by trumps lawyers. Thats obviously the source for this information. Were not getting it from the special counsels office. And he may well decide in the end i want to sit down and have a facetoface with this man and i dont want to settle for questions and answers and a written form. But well have to see. You say nothing is going to happen until after the election. Why do you think that . Well, theres a norm that has long been in place at the department of justice. It was back when i was at the department of justice. That you didnt do anything in the two months before an election or sometimes in an Election Year that would in anyway influence an election. Thats been i understand reduced to a written memorandum by eric holder where he suggested a 60day limit where Nothing Happened that would influence an election local or on a national basis. So that presumably is the reason that mueller would do nothing and is probably very quiet at this point. And i dont think well see anything public until after november 6th. I know its a strange question, but youve spent a lot of time in the oval office. Before we leave i want to ask you about this kanye spectacle today. Whatd you think . I was stunned. I listened to your prior segment and heard it, and i caught some of it earlier in the day, and that kind of is just a pure degrading of the office and the man who sits in the office. I really think its most unfortunate. John dean, thank you, sir. Have a good night. Thank you, don. Thanks for watching. Our coverage continues. Here we go. Discover. I like your card, but im absolutely not paying an annual fee. Discover has no annual fees. Really . Yeah. 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