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A recap of the days news. Love trump or whether you disdain him, i think everyone can collectively agree that his relationship with the truth theres a major disconnect. There was one report i saw said he told 2100 lies since office. Another one said 3,000. Another five a day. Another ten a day. If you sit down with mueller, if they dont have obstruction, we dont know whether they do. Hes tweeting. His State Of Mind is all over the place. He could say he fired comey. If they dont have obstruction and there is no collusion conspiracy, its conspiracy, but the fact is you can get him on perjury. So why take the chance of going sitting with mueller no matter how smooth you think you are, no matter what you think you can say when youre going to get caught in a lie because you will lie because thats what this president does, period. Harry, so far mueller hasnt moved on this demand that he wants trump to sit down in person. This negotiation has been going on since january that we know about. At what point does mueller tire of this and just say im going to subpoena the president . Exactly. I mean, and we its been since january, and maybe before. Im a little surprised. I would have thought he would have said forget it. Its been silly that team trump has been acting as if its got the leverage here and maybe theyll decide to sit down. As you say, the law is likely to be with mueller, and he can just go to court. Now it gets a little tricky if he really is inclined to wrap things up before the midterms, probably even a quick process in the courts would extend past november. But so, look, i agree with joey. Hes a liar, but the bigger problem here, i think, really goes to the substantive exposure for obstruction and the fact that mueller would have so much information that the president just doesnt have, and at this point, though, theres also the real possibility that he filed a report with the conclusion, looks to me, as if its obstruction of justice. We gave the president many chances to come in and try to explain. He declined then. You can certainly charge without hearing from the defendant. Thats the risk if trump stays quiet. I want to talk about the oligarchs. The attorney for the Russian Oligarch and pop star son to encouraged donald trump junior to hold the meeting says that conversations about a potential interview between his clients and special Counsel Robert Mueller are ongoing and have been for almost a year. So why are these dplaoligarchs important to the special counsels investigation . Theyre important because we all know and understand, and i think theres agreement with the exception of perhaps the president that there was interference. I think the dispute is whether there was some kind of collusion, excuse me, conspiracy, which is an agreement to commit an illegal act. I think everyone looking at this investigation, don, is looking and eyeing whether they could connect the dots. Who is they . Muellers team. In order to connect dots as it relates to russian collusion and it relates to the Trump Administration trying to get information and working with the russians alongside of them collectively agreeing, defining collusion you need to have some people who might be Knowledge Ableas so that. If you get these people from the Russian Community who could talk to the meeting and could talk to the connection between the campaign and members of the russian government, you can establish that nexus and connection. So thats why theyre central to muellers investigation. Harry, an attorney appeared on cnn a short while ago. Take a listen to this. They never spoke to the president about the meeting before or after and they never heard anything, either before or after to even suggest the president was informed the meeting was going to happen. From their perspective, he learned about it when it came out in the press. Its been misrepresented. From my clients perspective, this was to talk about the magnitsky act. So that contradicts what Michael Cohen says. Is an interview how mueller finds out who is telling the truth here . He wants the facts, and its everything that joey said plus two really concrete points. Theyre instrumental in setting up the meeting. Theyre the supposed emin is the supposed client of gold stone who reaches out and theyre in the thick of it for the 2013 Miss Universe pageant. But mueller wants to know who is lying and who is telling the truth. It is a little strange to me that interchange from the lawyer. They dont need to cooperate. They dont need to talk to him at all, and there have been some indication that emin was actually soured on trump, but that certainly seemed like an attempt to aid the president , and it would suggest that if they do talk hell be telling a story that would be exculpatory and maybe of don junior as well, his old buddy. These are colorful characters but mueller in any event wants to hear from them. He wants to know the truth. Thank you, harry. Harry is here all the time. Joey, not so much. Im glad wolf blitzer showed you. Nice to be here. Thank you. Come back. When we come back, the African American pastor who met with President Trump at the white house and is now facing a backlash. Im going to talk to him next. Raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens brown paper packages tied up with strings these are a few of My Favorite Things dinner date. Meeting his parents dinner date. Why did i want a crest 3d white smile . So i used crest. Crest 3d white removes. 95 of Surface Stains in just 3 days. For a whiter smile. That will win them over. Crest. Healthy, beautiful smiles for life. A South Carolina pastor facing criticism over his visit to the white house yesterday. He says he attended the meeting to discuss prison reform. In a time of moral relativism and secular humanism it is refreshing to know that those of us who have committed our lives to fighting for people who cannot fight for themselves have a seat at the table to share our hearts nvm im grateful for you for allowing for the conversation. Again, my prayers that youll continue to have wisdom to lead this nation truly all of us are created equal. Thank you for giving us an equal opportunity to fight for this nation and what it means to be an american. Thank you. Joining me now is pastor john gray from South Carolina. You received some backlash. Welcome. Thank you. Good evening. Good to have you. You received some backlash. Other people who were there were a bit more complimentary of the president , and got maybe in a bit more trouble than you. You were basically thanking him for the opportunity . Yeah. But you told your congregation that you hesitated meeting with President Trump. Yes. Why did you go . You want my honest answer. I believe the lord sent me. I dont represent and i didnt go as a partisan politician. While i respect the political process, i went because i believe that the lord wanted me in that room as a christian. The first thing is i dont get to impute my faith on anyone else. I think that is unfair. I think its dishonorable to try to make someone see life through my lens, but im strong in the belief that i have a calling thats bigger than me. And walking into that room i risked everything id ever worked for. Your members of the black christian community, you had to know they would be upset by you attending this. Yeah. And there is a reason that you were sitting right next to the president. Right . Your credibility, your influence among the Faithbased Community. And there you are. Other pastors ive had pastors who were on the president s board and they quit because they thought it was a photo op in one of the first meetings and didnt think he was going to do it or the administration, that it was interested in helping anyone except for getting a photo op. Yeah. What do you think . Did you expect the cameras to be there . No. When i first heard about this and was invited, i actually said i dont want to take pictures. I will go and listen and give my input, but i dont want to be photographed. And that was because i understood that certain parts of our community, the Faithbased Community and the African American community and rightfully so, have felt immeasurable pain. When youre dealing with an administration that at times has drawn moral equivalence to the unite the right rally, the people who organize the it and those who opposed it then why go and lend your credibility . There are other ways that you can participate that may be more influential than being seen on the same page with someone who many people most people of color in this country, black folks think his policies, his speech, his language, his behavior, all of that are detriment tall to African Americans. You can help out in other ways other than sitting next to him and taking a picture. Let me ask you this. You just invited me to your table. We dont know each other. We dont agree on everything, im sure if we had the conversation, but were at the table for dialogue. The purpose of that conversation was to talk about prison reform. It was the expressed understanding that we were coming to see if churches could partner with the government to help lower recidivism rates and cyclical poverty based on people trying to reacclimate. That was the intention of the meeting. Thats why i went. People like me and who look like me dont often get a chance coming out of prison to have a job that allows for them not to think about doing crime. The reason why this was important to me is because it affects people that do look like me. Heres my question. I dont think youre understanding what im saying. You didnt have to come here. And if you didnt come here, i would respect that, and i would say that is and maybe there is a reason. We invited other people on. And this is my point. They did not think that it would be good for them to appear because they were concerned about losing something or their reputation or being called out on television or what have you. And i respect that. Maybe theyre correct. Do you get what im saying . Absolutely. Let me answer that. Why would i risk whatever credibility ive gained over years in ministry with a community that ive come from . Why would i risk it . Would it be for a photo op . I went because i believe i was sent. Did you have to go to the white house . Could you have done a Conference Call . Could you have been on via television or camera . Could you have teleconference or maybe a place other than the white house where you can discuss this . The question, the thing is that sitting there, all of these African Americans sitting there, it is being seen as the president of the united states, this administration that has proposed policies that are so detrimental to African Americans that theyre using you as a prop and that it is a photo op and that but the photo op doesnt work. It backfires. The moment im on the platform, whatever they were hoping to accomplish with the intended audience backfires because they dont have credibility in that market in the first place with those people. For me the answer is simple. I went through every detail. Why would i go . What could i possibly gain . Which is nothing. My wife would you do it again . Would i go back . If there were different circumstances, if i had assurances that we were going to meet about the intended conversation, yeah, i would go back. Not because i agree. Because this is whats important. Alignment or even speaking does not mean agreement. Dialogue does not mean agreement. Sitting at the table doesnt mean agreement. Thats important. I dont agree with many of the policies but it doesnt stop me from having conversation. Okay. I know weve gone on long. Sorry, producers. This is what you put on your instagram page. You said lord, do you want me in that room . My first mind was no. The pain of so many is too real. The hurt, the isolation, the real hate that has bubbled to the surface of the national discourse. Do you think this president is responsible for hate in the nations discourse now . I believe that our president has fostered a culture and climate that has allowed for what was there and has been there for years to bubble up. It has empowered people in a horrific way. Absolutely. I dont think theres any question about it. And if youre looking for someone who is a fan of the administration or a boy for the administration, that not me. I am a man of god. My faith guides me. I very well may lose credibility with whoever. But the people that know my heart know this. I am determined to honor what i believe is the calling on my life. Theres nothing for me to gain from being there. But i am committed to fighting for people who cannot fight for themselves. And if i began to cower to people who dont agree because a lot of the people who dont agree to me dont share my faith. There are times when people who have faith speak to leaders who Dont Subscribe or agree or even align with that. For me it Wasnt About Being seen. That did nothing for me. And let me say this to you. I spoke to someone who i really respect today, and talking about faith. Look, im a person of faith. He said there is a reason that people would teach you about the bible, would let you congregate on the plantation but would not allow you to read. Do you understand the meaning of that . Absolutely. It means they believe that religion keeps people in chains and that fighting back and saying im not going to deal with this, turning the other cheek, because they dont want you to leave the plantation. Well, i was never on the plantation. What im saying is because people keep overlooking so much. Overlooking when it comes to women. Overlooking what it gates abo s about gays or muslims. About everything. Absolutely. Theres so much they keep overlooking. Evangelicals, all these things, affairs, adultery, all those things and because what . At what cost . At what price . I think thats the key. I wasnt on the president ial evangelical advisory board. What you said is valid. I can only speak for me. With everything that i could have lost and could still lose, i believe that my voice was necessary because i was there for people who could not fight for themselves. That was my intention in my heart. Thank you. Weve gone really long. All im saying is turn the other cheek is fine but sometimes you just get bruised and swollen. At some point you say enough is enough. Thank you. I appreciate you joining us. While the president is distracting and deflecting with complaints about the media, his administration is chipping away at obama care and how it could affect you is next. This is the ocean. Just listen. vo theres so much we want to show her. We needed a car that would last long enough to see it all. avo subaru outback. 98 are still on the road after 10 years. Come on mom, lets go avo right now, get 0 Apr Financing on the 2018 subaru outback. With tough food, your dentures may slip and fall. New fixodent ultramax hold gives you the strongest hold ever to lock your dentures. 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One anl si shows that only 57 of the plans cover Mental Health care. 38 cover Substance Abuse treatment and none of them, zero , cover maternity care. You probably wont be able to buy them if you have a preexisting condition. And if you buy this insurance and need to use it, watch out. There are limits on how much your plan will pay. Some plans dont cover immunizations or even injuries from playing organized sports. Theres even a plan in illinois that Doesnt Cover Hospital stays that begin on weekends. Not surprisingly doctors and advocates dont approve. According to the Los Angeles Times a whopping 98 of groups who weighed in to were critical or opposed. But the administration and a lot of insurers are eager to sell the plans. The president boasting about chipping away at obama care. You know how many people have come up to me and said thank you very much for getting rid of the individual mandate . Sounds so nice. Isnt it a beautiful term . The individual mandate is wonderful. Im acting president ial now. The individual mandate. The individual mandate is a disaster. It sounds good. Like the Affordable Care act was not affordable. So now the administration is out with trump care. Will americans like what is in the fine print . Lets discuss now. Cnns senior economic analyst. Good evening. Thank you so much. Jason, what is the likelihood people will choose these plans based on cost and bay the price later when they get sick or need the coverage . Thats the whole idea here, don. Its basically a scam. Its a piece of paper. Its not insurance coverage. Folks will say, well, this i can pay for it. It costs less and then they walk around with a piece of paper that doesnt give them access to a doctor. When i was in the army we had a saying. Checking box is one of the worst forms of lying. What it means is that if you pretend to solve a problem in some ways that can be worse than doing nothing. If you pretended to solve the problem, then people walk around thinking the problem is solved but its still there. Thats what the Trump Administration is trying to do. They want to pretend they did something for instance, in kansas city theres pressure on Emergency Services because we didnt expand medicaid. A lot of people use the Emergency Room and dont have health care. Thats a problem. But theyre pretending to solve it. In a lot of ways that checking the box is more dangerous than doing nothing. Steven, democrats call this junk insurance. Among the shortcomings, They Dont Cover Preexisting conditions. Doesnt that leave out an enormous pool of people who wont be able to get coverage . Well, look, what you and jason have been talking about actually would apply to obama care. Jason, every promise that was made under obama care has turned out to have been a lie. Preexisting conditions . Im talking about the fact that everyone would be covered. Theres still 25 to 30 million people without Health Insurance. Thats the group of people that were trying to get insurance for were trying to get insurance for. Why are so many people looking at the cheaper plans . Because the cost of obama care plans has doubled. Its ironic this is called the Affordable Care act. For so many millions of americans, health care is not more affordable. You guys remember when barack obama was campaigning on obama care. Remember, he said it was going to save the average family 2500 a year, and now we have a situation where for the average family the cost of health care has almost doubled in most states. What were looking at is trying to provide look, we all want to provide more coverage for people. And it seems like what you all are saying is unless this is a goldplated health plan, it would be better for im just reading the stats. Im giving facts. Jason is here as the democracy person. Maybe the facts dont line up the way you dont want them. That doesnt mean im espousing or supporting anything. Those are the facts. The reason hold on. Steven, but also you spout out statistics about whats costing more, but also there are people out there and insurers and big medical companies who are refusing to join this plan because they want to keep their profits and so getting rid of the individual mandate and all those things, that is causing the markets to collapse or obama care wait a minute. Let me thats a big part of it. The the obama care system was in a spiral two years before donald trump thats not true. Yes, it was. I dont want to talk about the merits of the system. Its not affordable for people. Thats why people want the lower cost plans. They cant afford obama care. Don, i never get hold on. Hold on. Okay. Go ahead. We get sidetracked. I want to talk about the merits of this program. By the way, all the facts show that what you said is false. That obama care wasnt a death spiral. Thats a republican talking point. The costs have doubled. Thats true. Go on, jason. Lets talk about this policy. Lets talk about this health care, don. But if were going to do that and if stephen is going to say a bunch of stuff thats not true and predend the problems pretend the problems werent caused by stuff the republicans did on purpose, if were going to do that, i would prefer that he tamand the other people are honest about what they want. They want to go back to 2009. When Insurance Companies were in charge and preexisting conditions were a reason not to give you Health Insurance. They want to go back to when you thought you were covered for something and werent and then you got sick and got dropped. I would prefer that they make an argument for what theyre for rarter than pretending if theyre for something else. If were going to have a debate, why dont they stand up and say what theyre for . Stephen, ill give you the last word. Unfortunately Health Insurance is so expensive right now. People cant afford the plans that were supposed to be more affordable. What we are trying to offer people is plans that they can afford. Now, theyre not going to cover for everything that obama care requires coverage for, but if my point is wouldnt a plan that provides you with some basic coverage be better than no Health Insurance at all . I guess you guys say it would be better if people dont have Health Insurance at all. Okay. Thats got to be it. Wasnt that the whole idea of obama care. But it doesnt do it. People cant afford it. But youre not telling the viewer youre just selling a part of it that fits your narrative. Youre not telling people why its not affordable. Thats what youre not telling. He thinks its fine if people cant get Health Insurance because they got sick. Im not saving 2500 a year on my Health Insurance. Everybody raise your hand if you are. I dont think many people are. Thank you. Well be right back. Noooooo. 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The president s Eldest Son Don Junior is no stranger to shocking and false statements. But this one is truly stunning. As if i dont know. It gets worse. Listen to as he compares Democratic Party platform to nazis. You see the Nazi Platform in the early 1930s and what was put out there. You look at it compared to the dnc platform of today, youre saying man, those things are awfully similar. I want to bring in our panel. He was comparing the democratic platform to the Nazi Platform. Can i read the Nazi Platform . The National Socialist German Working Party was built on the belief that Aaron Germans were jewish people were responsible for the problems facing germany and that belief spiralled into the governmentrun genocide against jews known as the holocaust. Democracy Party Platform . The essence of naziism is dehumanization. What Political Party in this era is doing more dehumanization of vulnerable groups . Is it the democrats comparing mexicans to insects who are infesting the country . Are they involved on a Large Scale Campaign to make people hate and associate latinos with criminals . No. Its the Republican Party. If youre going to make this analogy at all, the dehuman nati ization is coming from the Trump Administration. Look at this moment again. Jews will not replace it. Jews will not replace us. So trump went onto blame both sides after the rally. How does any supporter of this president defend this propaganda . Yeah. Its not the its not what i would choose to attack the democrat platform. Theres enough to attack them on without resorting to call people a nazi. Of course, if i had a nickel for every time i heard someone on the american left Call Republicans donald trump or even the president that i work for, george w. Bush a nazi, id be a rich man. Were all americans and were all in this together. Its the president s son. This is different because its the president s son. I agree. I dont like it. I dont want anybody to call people nazis. Youre comparing an average citizen its all awful, but youre comparing an average citizen without a platform thats not talked about on the news to the president s son, the sitting president s son comparing a democratic platform to naziism. Thats different. Thats false equivalents there. I had to tell you that. Of course it is. I dont know what you want me to say. I disagree with the rhetoric. I disagreed when peter says republicans are more nazi like than democrats. I let tara get in here. Look. Im no fan of the democratic platform. I havent been for years. Its why im a conservative republican. However, for the president s son to throw out that the democratic platform is similar to nazi germany is absurd. It goes to show you he doesnt really understand history. First of all, its like projection. Because if you read through the 25 point plan of the nazi party back then and the things, theres a lot in there thats awfully reminiscent to some of the things donald trump has actually advocated for. I mean, the whole idea of the tribalism and nationalism and what steve bannon and those guys were perpetuating during the election, thats a lot closer to the Nazi Platform than what democrats are asking for today. And the idea of the press being called the enemy of the people. It was hitler who called the press, the lying press. Thats a Nazi Propaganda Rhetoric the president is using. Im using the example based off of what the president s own son and what the president has done. If you really want to get into lets compare things to nazi germany, theres a lot more going on with whats coming out of trumps mouth and out of his sons mouth and his supporters like what we saw than anything the democrats are proposing. Im no fan of what the democratic platform is. 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Back now with peter, tara and scott. Why isnt the Republican Party correcting the record on this. Or can no one contradict a Family Member of this president. I think people are flee to speak their mind. I dont like it when we resort to the tactics that the left resorts to, which is this stupid name calling that is not rooted in the historical record. I dont like it when we do what they do. Everyones free to speak their mind and correct it if they want. I dont think its going to put a stop to it unfortunately. I dont think anybody should do it. And two people here call the Republicans Nazis. I didnt call the Republicans Nazis. Yes, you did. I dont believe both of you did. If you want to let me explain ill explain. I think theres a spectrum of dehumanization. The nazis are one stream. The Republican Party is nowhere near that. Donald trump has moved us in that direction by his continue equation of mexican immigrants with criminals and rapists and insects. And we see the bitter fruit of that. That is moving america in the direction that we dont want to go. Nowhere nazis are, but further than before donald trump. The word that donald trump is using, that mirror exactly what the nazis use in their Disinformation Campaigns in the 30s and 40s. If were going to go there, i use historical precedent. Hitler used the term lying press. Which is what trump is going now. Its reminiscent of nazi propaganda. How do you think they called Republicans Nazis or maybe a better example would be Chelsea Clinton doing the same thing when her father was president. What do you think would happen on the right, scott . People would go crazy about it. And its wrong its wrong for one party to call the other party a nazi. You are a contributor here on cnn. You know why nobodys going crazy about it, because our civil discourse has gone so far off the rails. Its so far off the rails that calling each other nazis is no longer out of bounds. It wasnt off the rails like this in other presidencies. Sure it was. Do you know how many times i had to endure listening to people call george w. Bush a nazi . George w. Bush said nothing like what donald trump says. Yet they still called him a nazi. George soros, keith ellison, you name it. Numerous members of congress. Lets say that people did call george w. Bush a nazi. They did, thats true. Who did it, was it a sitting president s son, daughter or Family Member . It was some of the most wealthy financiers, compared 9 11 to the rice stack fire. The civil discourse was broken before, and its still broken today. Youre missing the point, were talking about how president s talk and president s behave. And President Trump is totally unlike barack obama or george w. Bush. My life is here. [telephone ring] ahoyhoy. Alexander graham bell here. No, no, my number is one, you must want two two, i say like my father before. [telephone ring] like my father before. 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