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Joseph schmitz pushed the fbi and the House Intelligence Committee to review materials from the dark web he thought were willings missing emails from her private server. Sources say they believe the material was fake. Lets discuss it all now. I want to bring in cnns chief National Security correspondent mr. Jim schutt o, our legal analyst michael zeldin, Robert Muellerary special assistant. Juliette kayyem and cnn contributor garrett gragt, the author of the threat matrix inside Robert Muellers fbi and the war on global terror. We have certainly assembled the right group to discuss this. Jim im starting with you. Good evening to all of you. Exclusive reporting from cnn, the president has begun taking preliminary steps to prepare for a possible interview with the special counsel. Can you fill us in on what more you are learning. My colleagues are learning that President Trump who has in his public statements been back and forth as to whether he was going to testify, often saying he would, were told that behind the scenes he is more back and forth, not quite sure if he is making that commitment. But at least he is taking a step and beginning to be prepared for such an interview if he decides to do so. And that would be of course something that some of his advisers warned him against. We had roger stone on the air a short time ago on andersons show saying he is concerned that this is a perjury trap. But also concerned he might catch himself or be caught in a lie by Robert Mueller and the investigators. But the lawyers are taking the step of preparing him for sitting down with the special counsel team. All right. Juliette, what does this tell you about the trump teams vau of where this is going with the Mueller Investigation . Well, i give them credit for trying to precip the president , whether he is or isnt going to testify. At least theyre trying to do something. But its just a couple of extra points to what jim was saying. I mean, the first is the president lately hasnt been that busy. If you look at public records or daily records about what he is doing, maybe he has a meeting here or there. This may actually confirm what he has been doing during the times, that he is trying to precip with the lawyers. But look at what roger stone says, the second thing is roger stone says, you know, a perjury trap. He is worried about it . Why . Because the president doesnt know how to tell the truth. If you are the outside world or enemies or theyre worried that the president lies or cant stick to a story pb its hard to sayis an effective leader or commander in chief for the nation. And this is just consistent with the narrative thats being sort of exposed, unfortunately, to the outside world as well. Garrett, President Trump claims he is he has nothing to hide, even as the guilty pleas from his Campaign Associates are piling up here. Why wouldnt he why wouldnt he sit down with Robert Mueller . Well, i think he is going to. For two reasons. One, i think that he thinks he is smarter than Robert Mueller. I think he thinks against a weight of the evidence to the contrary that he can outmaneuver one of the most talented teams of prosecutors ever assemblinged in the course of the u. S. Justice system. Then the second thing is i think in Donald Trumps mind he doesnt think he has done anything wrong. And so i think both of those point to him thinking that if he just sits down with bob mueller he can sort of go manno a manno like a new York Real Estate deal and come out the better half. I think donald trump has not figured out that going up against the full weight of the mortgage deal on a new York City Office building. Maybe he doesnt know what i dont know obstruction you think he doesnt understand michael what obstruction is and maybe if he is actually even done it . Im not saying he has. But do you think thats the case my knowledge. Im not sure i agree its right to sell the president short in respect of his failure to understand the importance of in interview. I think he fully well understands what it is. I think the preparation probably speaks to the fact that he realizes that this is not a civil deposition and that he has to prepare for this thing. I think his lawyers are probably impressing him the seriousness of this. Whether he will do his homework or not remains to be seen. But i would be careful about trying to analyze the president in respect of in interview. If this interview occurs. And i think it has to because i think the law of the land will require it if mueller pushes the proposition. You think its going to happen. Will be a serious i think it has to happen. Because the way the law sets up with nixon versus the United States, and clinton versus jones, the president really cant resist testifying. Mueller has to show that he cant get the evidence from another source as a predicate for the interview. And i think that with respect to obstruction of justice and the collusion conspiracy stuff, there is no other evidence other than the intent of the president. And thats to come from the president s mouth. Then the question becomes don, what will be the nature of the interview . Will it be an under oath interview or not under oath . It ral doesnt matter much. If its under oath and a person makes a material lie they can be charged with 1621 perjury. If its not under oath and they make a material false statement they can be charged with 10 oh 1 making a false statement, carrying considers o serious criminal penalties. Thats not so much a matter of importance whether under oath or not. All right. Interesting. Lets talk about another cnn exclusive, jim. You have new reporting on the lengths the Trump Campaign went to to try to get dirt on Hillary Clinton through the infamous emails. What more can you tell us. This is joseph schmitz, a Foreign Policy adviser to President Trump during the campaign for a number of months, not an insignificant adviser. He was at the famous meeting pictured there in march 2016. But he was a former Defense Department official in the bush administration, considered for secretary of navy after President Trump was elected. He obtains what he believes to be the deleted Hillary Clinton emails from the dark web. And relentlessly we are told by multiple sources he goes to multiple u. S. Agencies, including the fbi, state department, the intelligence community, later the House Intelligence Committee, saying pushing for the emails to be declassified. So that they could be reviewed and potentially disseminated. He is not taken seriously at each of the agencies. In fact they didnt want to touch the material because they doubted the providence from the dark web, werent sure who made it. And frankly had a lot of doubt as to whether the emails were authentic. He was rerentless. And you look at this alongside other efforts by Trump Campaign advisers who were open to, it appeared any way to get to damaging information on Hillary Clinton regardless of where it came from, the trump tower meeting in 2016, donald trump junior saying i love it when russians said they had dilatory on Hillary Clinton regardless what that potential dirt was or how they got it. George papadopoulos bragging a australian dlomt that he had been told by a professor connected to russia that they had dug up stolen Hillary Clinton emails. Fitting into the larger picture you see a tremendous effort here by trump advisers to try to get that material regard willings are where it came from. Jim thank you were done with you. 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Show more of you. So here is a look at what happened this week if the russia investigation. On monday we learned the special counsel is investigating a possible possible meeting between Julian Assange and longterm friend and adviser roger stone process. Stone send sent an email claim to have dinewood assange he said that was a joke and denied it on our air a short time ago. The security cameras at the embassy would demonstrate that no such trip was made. I did produce Airline Tickets and so on. Well that night Court Documents reveal that it was Deputy Attorney general Rod Rosenstein who specifically authorized the special counsel investigation and indictment of former Trump Campaign chairman paul manafort. On tuesday we learn muellers team told trumps lawyers that the president was not a criminal target but a subject in the ongoing investigation. Now the debate is over exactly what that means. Subjects sometimes become targets. Special counsel female is actively negotiating to interview the president. If the president sits down with muellers team, he runs the risk of contradicting or worse, inincriminating himself. And on tuesday alex vaned andersonen became the first person sentenced in the russia investigation. He pled guilty to lying to investigators which netted him a sentence of 30 days in prison and a 20,000 fine. On wednesday we learned about Paul Manaforts attempt to have his case thrown out. His attorneys argued that the entire order appointing mueller was invalid. And tried to have the criminal charges against him dismissed. The judge wasnt buying it. Manafort faces charges of Money Laundering, bank fraud, conspiracy and other charges. He is looking at up to 350 li 305 years in prison. Cnn exclusively reported on wednesday the special counsels team has taken the unusual step of questioning russian oligarchs who traveled into the u. S. At least one of them was detained as his private jet touched down and his Electronic Devices searched. And now we learned the president is beginning the initial steps of preparing for a possible interview with mueller. Lets bring back michael zeldin, juliette kayyem, garrett graph. Juliette earlier this woke we saw a little bit of the Court Filings which showed the deputy ag Rod Rosenstein personally erz authorized the investigation and indictment of manafort. Was that surprising to you . Yes it was. That is the fourth filing in about ten days that really did start to sort of show a mueller theory of the case. It was very bad for march. In fact, of all the people youre talking about manafort had the worst week because the filing said we are going to we are looking at theories of the case, potentially collusion, unrelated to what weve already indicted him for which was of course the financial dealings. Manafort had a bad week. Roger stone obviously had a bad week. Donald trump had a bad week with the news about him being a subject not a target. The oligarchs had a bad week and guess who didnt have a bad week. That was of course the special counsel Robert Mueller. He just continued down this path so that every friday he has a bunch of movement heading closer and closer to the white house. And a lot of scrambling by a lot of other people. Ill add one more thing. There is all the other names coming out now. Schmidt today that jim was talking about with, people around the campaign that were involved. There are going to be all the people we never heard of before come out making pleas all sorts of things, as this case is really in a hot a hockey stick mode right now. Its ramping up very quickly. We got schmitz and who knew who vaned andersonen was . No one did. I had never heard of papadopoulos before he pled. Yeah, interesting. I was thinking about paul manafort. 3050 5 years in prison. What do you say to that . I give up. I mean, that is that is unfathomable. Michael, look, manaforts attempt to have the civil and criminal charges dismissed were pretty quickly thrown out. On what grounds did he try to challenge the deputy ag . What he tried to say was that mueller didnt have the mandate to investigate those charges that related to ukraine private business dealings and the failure to register as a Foreign Agent or failed to pay taxes on those monies. So he filed a motion to dismiss the indictment against him on the grounds that mueller was acting outside of his mane. Mueller responded to that with an opposition to the motion to dismiss. And in that motion as appendix b or c i forget he attached a letter that rosenstein wrote to him in on august 2nd. Remember mueller is appointed may 17th. In that letter rosenstein says to mueller, you have my authority to investigate these ukrainian Money Laundering tax and failure to register charges. So amy berman jackson, the judge says that looks like mr. Manafort that ends your case. He had the authority from rosenstein to investigate that. What is significant beside manafort having a very bad day was that in that same august 2nd letter what rosenstein says if you lack at the way the letter sets up you, bob mueller can investigate manafort for collusion and for this ukrainian stuff, and if you look at the way the letter sets up. It looks like there are about six or seven other people who are listed under the blacked out section that mueller has the authority under this august 2nd letter to also investigate. So who sun the blacked out line is really what is going to por tend their future going forward. And i think what we will see on future fridays when mueller drops out of space these new names and new charges that none of us had heard about. Can we oh hold it up to the light and try to figure out who is under that. No, but you can you can. Blacked out line. What you can do is you can look at the amount of space it took to set out the charges against manafort pch its about that much. Then if you look at the space blacked out its about that much. And so thats to my calculation will 6 to 8 names. Gotcha. It would take us a long time to figure out. That was good information. Garrett, lets bring you in. Do you know do you think the president is more receptive to the idea of an interview since according to the Washington Post mueller told the president his lawyers at least that he wasnt a criminal target but a subject in this russia investigation . Yeah, you know theres been a lot of ink and air time spilled this week over trying to figure out what the difference between subject and target really means. Partly because, you know, if we believe that the Justice Department sort of operating theory that the president is actually not able to be criminally indicted while in office, it might mean that bob mueller is simply saying youre the president of the United States, you can never be a target of this investigation. But youre still a subject to it, which means that we have reason to believe that your behavior in this is not entirely innocent, that you were sort of a material part of in unfolding story. And that is when you sort of combine it with some of what michael was saying, and what you were sort of laying out that took place this week, this incredibly bad week for the president in terms of us beginning to get a sense of just how much is still behind the curtain here, that that memo was dsh from Rod Rosenstein was heavily redacted. There is obviously a lot of information in there that we dont know. Remember, bob mueller isnt out doing wild goose chases for this. He is not saying, hey, rod, its bobby ive got in sort of crazy hunch about manafort and russia and ukraine. I just want to sort of go off and spin my wheels on it. You know, he is presenting evidence and talking to Rod Rosenstein briefing him to get the permission to do this. So there is sort of lots of information already that bob mueller knows before he even gets to the point of that that memo with Rod Rosenstein. Great information i got to go miebl. I got to go. You know we didnt mention in everything, you know, garrett said a bad week. We didnt mention stormy. But were about to. Thank you. Michael cohen. There we go. Stormy and Michael Cohen. You never ask me on you ner ask me on for stormy. Well get there eventually im sure. Everything sort of ties together. Everything will merge. Story is not going anywhere juliette. Thank you, guys. I appreciate it. When he come back news on Stormy Daniels as i hinted. More than hinted. The president s legal team a small victory today. 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A federal judge granting cohens request to extend the deadline for them to respond to the lawsuit. They now have a few more weeks. Cnn National Correspondent sarah sidoner has the latest. Porn actress in the performing in the peditounts a infamous and a cartoon of President Trump next to her picture with the words alleged affair. This as her Attorney Michael Avenatti is vowing to refile his request monday to depose President Trump. Following the president s first ever comments about the hush deal. Did you know about the 130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels . Then why why did Michael Cohen make this if there was no. Youll have to ask miebl. Michael is my attorney and youll have to ask michael. Do you know where he got the money to make that payment. No,ed i dont know. Daniels is suing to get out of the confidentiality agreement she claims is void because donald trump never signed the deal himself. Of a natti says trumps clanl claim that he knew nothing about the pay off steering reporters to his attorney Michael Cohen instead bolsters Stormy Daniels case. Its like christmas and hannukkah rolled into one. You cant have an agreement if one party claims they knew nothing about the one of the principle terms of the agreement. The president shot himself in the footprint tohis attorney basically unthe bus in the process, put himself in dire straits with the state bar of new york, because according to the president now mr. Cohen was northbounding this agreement and doing this on his own without consultation with the president. A garage granting trumps attorney request for more time to respond to daniels lawsuit until a decision is made on whether the case is moved out of the courtroom and into private arbitration. You know any subsequent phone calls. Daniels former attorney Keith Davidson represented her in that agreement. In an exclusive interview with cnn davidson said after he was fired from the case Michael Cohen was encouraging him to spill his guts about the daniels case and the case involving play boy playmate Karen Mcdougal say they had affairs. Michael cohen called me in the last week or. You what did he say to you. He called to offer his opinion as to whether or not miss daniels and miss mcdougal had breached the Attorney Client privilege and there by waived it. And it was his assertion that each of them had. And he was encouraging me and informing me as to his opinion. And he suggested that it would be appropriate for me to go out into the media and spill my guts. Are you here at the behest of Michael Cohen. No. No. No, not in any way, shape or form. But he did tell you to go out on spill your guts. Yes. Why do you think that is . Well youd have to ask him. Now cnn learns after the daniels deal was done, cohen referred a client to davidson. Davidson tells us the client was chuck labla, a producer on the apprentice. The miss usa passageant and Miss Universe all involving donald trump. Labla had an issue with actor tom armed who tweeted several times last fall that labla possessed damning information about trump that arnold claims involved russian president vladimir putin. Davidson says he wrote a cease and desist letter to his attorney on his behalf. Labla told cnn a friend called davidson on his behalf but labla never considered david his attorney because he never paid him. Then just last month arnold commented on twitter that Michael Cohen had chuck labla hire Keith Davidson to try to keep me quiet about trump, russia, Miss Universe 2013. Chuck labla said the tweets from tom arnold are slanderous accusations and outright lies. Michael cohen has not commented on the story. As for donald trump the white house continues to deny affairs with ire of the women. Cnn, los angeles. Thank you so much. I want to bring in now defense attorney joe tack peena and arriva martin, the author of the best seller make it rain. Good evening to both of you. Arriva we heard from sara there there are many twists and turns to the scandal. Did stormy win this week . Who won. It was a good week for stormy, although the we heard about the judges ruling today where he granted the extension that Michael Cohens team wanted with respect to responding to this complaint. Now, we know that Stormy Daniels team wants to go and a quick trial. They want a deposition and move forward with the litigation and the federal judge is saying wait a minute something has to be decided. I have to make a decision about whether this matter will be referred to private arbitration. Ill im not allowing to you start skoefrg. Im not going to set a tril date because a fundamental question has to be answered as to the validity of this arbitration agreement. Rook, when they remove this matter, cohens team from the state to the federal court they did so for this reason. They knew that federal judges are no nonsense, play by the rules and a federal judge doesnt like the fact that Stormy Daniels attorney didnt make himself available for whats called meet and confer. They want lawyers to work out these things like extensions. They dont want you running into court every time, you know, there is a request, particularly a request like this for a simple extension of time to respond to a complaint. So the judge wasnt too happy with Stormy Daniels attorney circumstance particularly since he found time to appear multiple times throughout the week on national television. Yeah. So parental he had some time he could have met and conferred but didnt. The judge was piqued with both side particularly on Stormy Daniels side with the attorney appearing on television. Speaking of what the federal judge did granting this request for President Trumps attorney to extend the deadline joe to respond the original lawsuit, how much of a win is this for the president . Is it . No, a win . Its not a win. Its done routinely. Extensions are granted on a daily basis in every time of a case. But this judge made it clear he granted the extension but he is none too happy with either party. Understand this, a case like this makes a federal judge want to throw up in his mouth. They are intellectual for the most part, real jurists like to deal with matters of importance appear and to them this type of litigation is sickening. And then to see the lawyers on tv you know back and forth having lawyers and lawyers on tv back and forth, not doing the work but arguing, you know, their points, you know publicly is not what a federal judge wants to see. But granting the extension is not a win. He didnt dismiss the case or the claims. Isnt it right out of the president s play book . Isnt he sort of fighting fire with fire . Maybe that works for the court of Public Opinion but not for a federal judge . Yeah, its dangerous. Its dangerous. I mean what happened yesterday i don i want to make sure you understand the significance of it i was shock the president hadnt commented on this at all. So against his character. Almost an admission obviously. But the fact that he said what he said on air force one yesterday just changes everything in this case. He confirmed what Michael Cohen has been had initially said. Right. When he was doing that slide, which is the whole thing about he didnt know about the lawyer paying 130,000 of of money to Stormy Daniels for this confidentiality agreement. If thats the case the agreement is fraudulent. Its null and void. It. I got to get a break in joy lets talk about that on the other side of the break and well play what the president said. Well be right back. Yes. Surpri hold up. Hold up. 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So arriva said he couldnt believe the president opened his mouth and answered that question. What do you think the the implications could be of that not knowing saying he didnt know about this 130,000 payment of supposed hush money . Well basically, don, it means there was no meeting of the minds between the two parties. This is a material term of the agreement, the 130,000 payments. So if trump didnt know about it there was never a meeting of minds between between him and Stormy Daniels and makes the contract unenforceable. It raises the question why did Michael Cohen draft an agreement that had david dennisonen and a line for his signature and initials throughout the contract suggesting the contract is between daniels and dennisonen who we now know was actually President Trump. The drafting of the agreement was sloppy. We have seen so many other things Michael Cohen did in this lawsuit with respect to the settlement that speak to slop were lawyering. And the president making this statement continues the pattern weve seen with respect to how the matter was handle from the beginning. For me it was never a question will the president speak on this . Its always a question when he would speak. Because avenatti has done a brilliant job of provoking the president. You put that with the 60 minute interview from Stormy Daniels we all knew that trump would have to respond. And the question was what would he say when heened responded. And he said the worst thing he could say to advance his case. Okay. This is what i want to know, joe. What is the bottom line with all of this . Lets just say that, you know, they say well this contract was null and void. Or the president does have to be deposed. Whatever, what is the bottom line . What is the legal exposure . Does he have any legal exposure because everyone think everyone feels he did tp Stormy Daniels told her story. So whats the pay off here . Don, please. Why why doesnt someone who is representing him understand that or even contemplate what td . Because all you need to do here. Stormy daniels brought a lawsuit saying they wanted the agreement to be rendered null and void. They wanted rescission. They wanted i mean thats what they were looking for. If i were trumps lawyers i would say okay we agree null and void. Forget it. Buy, good day. She already told the story. She has gone into great detail on stuff that wasnt even aired that hopefully will never be aired. But she went into great detail about the one night stand. What else can she say. There is nothing else to tell. The only way it gets sticky for the president is if these sort of facts start getting dove into in other words where the lawyer for trump is saying he paid out of his personal funds money for hush money for Stormy Daniels not to talk about the alleged affair and trump didnt know anything about that. Just imagine what that says. Thats cohen. Cohen is exposed then. Then thats cohen. Cohen is exposed. Cohen is exposed from an ethical standpoint enormously but this agreement is gone. The agreement is gone. Trump can put it way. Listen, listen for me let me get this out. For me the worstcase scenario for the president is to be deposed. If he just said let it go Stormy Daniels told her story its over he doesnt have to be deposed move on wofr about mueller. Go ahead, arriva. If it were that sarm inch he would have done that. We cant dismiss what trump has done. So many women came forward before the election and made ails with donald trump either consensual or nonconsensual relations but this is the case. This is the one case where he went to Great Lengths to prevent her from telling her story and from enforcing this hush agreement. Why this case . I think we have to ask ourselves why this case . There is something unique about this case that donald trump is concerned about that Michael Cohen is concerned about. Okay. 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So this may be the most chaotic white house ever and that may be just the way the president wants it as press secretary Sarah Sanders said today hes the only one elected to make decisions and outline policy. Lets bring in brenda blair, author, and matt lewis, columnist for the daily beast. You wrote a story in politic politico, trump has the white house he always wanted. You say no doubt trump saw his share of standard tier mad charts at what areton but hes p preferred a wheel. A work flow diagram at the Trump Organization would have put him at the hub and spokes to small number of top staff. We heard the president has always considered not having a chief of staff. He has considered not having a chief of staff, communications director. Its him alone, do you think that will work in the white house . The white house is, lets see, the number of people that hes the boss of, at least not every day, but hes in charge of, is Something Like i think 2. 5 million, the number of people at the Trump Organization is 22,000. I did some math, its 122 times more. So thats kind of tough. That way of running an office with is small, tight staff, everybody is reporting to him directly, nobody is in between, and hes constantly like sort of micro managing, checking on them, making everybody feels kind of insecure, theres no kind of alliance among the employees, the staffers, theyre looking to him, hes constantly putting them at each others throa throats. Hes done that all along and hes done it at the white house. She said theres no business plan, no players of authority, instead trump comes up with an idea work it up in his head and tell one of his handpicked diamonds in the rough to get moving on it. That t announcement to send troops to the border sounded like an announcement his team had to react to after he announced it himself. That rings true. Thats how he likes to operate. Hes been successful. Thats the other problem when someone has been repeatedly successful following a template, its hard to tell them they cant do it again. They said i couldnt get elected president , i did it my way and i got elected president. Its going to be difficult to get him to change. He tried to have a little bit of normal normalcy, order, and that didnt last. He fluctuates. He listened to john kelly a little while, and then goes on to someone else. This is who he is. Hes 71 years old. He said hes not sure if it works, he tries, he goes back and forth, right . He briefly had a flirtation with the idea that maybe youd have some experts, maybe you listen to them maybe youd listen to john kelly. Maybe youd listen to john kelly. Maybe. But the guy was always lecturing him. And i dont think trump basically wants i think most of us, me, you, you have an idea that you kind of things are upset and in disarray and you want to get back to some version of normal thats calmer. Hes the opposite. He doesnt want to get back to calmer and normal. He wants to stay in chaos. Its his comfort zone. Nobody else knows whats coming. They dont know what to do and they look to him for the answer for whos in charge. Hes comfortable in that situation. I think thats what hes recreated again and again. He wanted to get rid of the normizing factors. We know he likes to cause chaos. What about when a subordinate causes it, like in the case of scott pruitt . I think its the exact opposite. If donald trump causes a scandal and somebody else has to clean it up, somebody else has to go out in front of the press and sort of take the heat, thats okay with donald trump. But if donald trump has to now take a little heat for somebody elses scandal, i dont think that he has a long leash for Something Like that. I dont think he has much tolerance for you know, there can only be one trump, you know. And in a way, if youre out there causing problems, youre encroaching on his turf. Thats his job. Yeah. You know, he he doesnt like to fire people. Thats the thing. He spent this whole time at the apprentice saying youre fired. He doesnt like to. He was doing it in front of a camera. First love. It wasnt for real. Pruitt is like a mini trump right now. I think trump keeps changing his mind if thats working for him or not working for him. If he has any specific loyalty to pruitt, forget it. As long as he figures its working in his favor. Its like fixing washington, getting rid of the Old Washington that was broken. Bringing in somebody new, getting rid of regulations. As long as pruitt keeps doing that, maybe, maybe. As long as it works for him. Thank you both. 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