One with the Vice President and nra leadership. The president tweeting it was a great meeting. Also white house if turmoil. Yet another top official may be on the way out. Sources telling cnn that National Security adviser h. R. Mcmaster could leave his position by the end of the month. Plus a cnn exclusive, sources saying that u. S. Counterintelligence officials are investigating one of ivanka trumps business deals having to do with the Trump International hotel and tower in vancouver, canada. And President Trump says imposing tariffs on steel and aluminum, catching staff by surprise angering republican lawmaker and overseas trading partners. I want to begin with our cnn political commentator. David axelrod. Can we talk first about the meeting tonight with the higher ups at nra, and the officials that the president seems to be backing off suggestions about gun control . Well we have seen this movie before, havent we, don, on daca, when he wanted to pass this bill of love and was open to all kinds of ideas in front of the cameras. And then reeled back in by his staff and by a couple of senators who are on the antiimmigration reform side of the debate. And so, you know, in some whiches this was predictable. I dont know anyone who believed watching that yesterday. We could hope and i still have hope the president will be lfb moved by the people he saw might do some modest things to help make the situation better. But there was always this suspicion he would get reeled back in again. And it looks like the Vice President whistled in the nra people to work the president over and get him back in the corner. Lets talk about other things going on at the white house now. We knew President Trump likes chaos. You now there are fears of a trade war. There is discussion about start ago war with north korea. Republicans are angry over how he has publicly attacking his attorney general. Whats going on right now . Well, look, we heard from the very beginning this is not new. We heard from the beginning this is a different kind of president. He likes chaos, tension in the Office Around him offices around him. You know, i sat next to the president of the United States or a president of the United States for two years. I always thought this notion of chaos as an administrator strategy was plausible in the white house. It might work in a small branding business. But doesnt work in the most Important Office running the United States government. And but now its its more than being implausible. Now its just frightenings, because we have seen what chaos brings. Apparently the president yoefrld i just heard general hayden speaking about this. The president overruled almost all of the National Economic and security advisers today and casually slid into a trade war. We hear that there are table top exercises relative to north korea. Could he casually slide into a conflict there which would be catastrophic in the words of his own defense secretary . You know, and i dont minimize the threat of north korea. North koreas confounded president s of both parties going back decades and they certainly represent a threat. But one has to be very sober about that issue. And the question is can this president be sober . Or is everything about instinct . Is everything about changing the subject . Is everything about, you know, his mood of the moment . Thats a dangerous quality in the president of the United States. I want going i was speaking to the general michael hayden. I dont know if you had the opportunity to hear before you. I did. We were talking about his National Securities adviser and cnn reporting his security adviser could leave the white house by the end of the month. Thats three in one year. What do you think about that . Its really concerning. One of the things you want is enough every there is turnover in every white house. But in this white house its been exponentially more than any other other. There is in continuity in the interaction between people. It becomes an impediment to getting things done. And a National Security adviser, one dealing with leaders around the world, that creates even more confusion. And how the world looks at us, and how we can deal with the world is a big part of this. So, you know, i dont know its been rumored from the beginning that the president didnt groove with mcmaster. And there is some reporting that general kelly is trying to ease him out for some one else. I dont know the motivation here. But all of this turnover in these key positions, not just in National Security but obviously in the others that we have seen cannot be good for the smooth functioning of government. And we see the result of it. Umhum. We are reading reports that all the chaos is making the president seethe with anger. He is in a bad place, isolated. How much of this stems from the president himself and his feelings on the russia investigation . Its hard to say. Its always true when there are bad russia stories you get a tweet storm following that. This is clearly a huge irritant to him. And so that may be part of it. The investigation is picking up its pace. We see reporting on Jared Kushner that im sure is of concern to the president. So the it seems the circle is closing in a little bit. And that may be the reason why he is so furious with the attorney general again in such a public way. Another really peculiar exhibition on his part. One thing for sure, when we talk about the chaos and the dislocation in the white house, when we talk about the leaps on policy without preparation or against the advice of most of the establishment in the white house, these come from the top. And you know, people said when general kelly came, well he is going to impose order out of chaos. Well, for a time he did on the white house staff. But my comment then is what we have seen now, which is you cant in that white house manage up. You might be able to manage down for a while. You cant manage up. In any white house everything flows from the top. I think thats probably true in every organization. But in the white house if the president is is a spawner of chaos then you have a chaotic white house no matter who fills the positions. David, you know, meanwhile cnn is learning that the Trump Administration is considering military action against north korea if the regime successfully building a Nuclear Missile capable of reaching the u. S. Thats on the table while all of this other stuff is going on. Thats that has to be disturbing. Yeah, well you know, i i had two interpretations of that news, because there was some reporting that had really rich detail about table top exercises and some of the concerns that arose from those table top exercises about the toll that such a military maneuver would involve. And you know, there are only two interpretations. One is what general hayden said, which is maybe theyre trying to send a signal to kim jong un and push him more in the direction of negotiation. The other is that there are people in the pentagon who are trying to put this out in the Public Domain to put pressure on the president not to be precipitous. Because when one absorbs the mass casualties almost certainly associated with such a military mission, you know, you have to thing, as i said earlier, soberly about this. And i think there must be some concern having watched the president just launch a trade war on a whim that he could be careless here. And this carelessness here is a catastrophe. Ive been seeing the promos. I cant wait to see it lets talk about it because there is a new axe files on saturday. You speak to republican senator jeff flake. Lets look and well discuss. There is 2020 approaches. Your name has been mentioned as a potential candidate for president in some sort of third party or bipartisan fusion effort. Is that something that you would consider . Thats not something im planning. Thats not what im asking. Im asking, is it something that you would swear off . No, no i wouldnt swear it off. I think, you know, well see where this goes. I do think the president will have a challenge from the Republican Party. I think there should be. I also think that there will be an independent challenge. Okay, so he wont wear it off. The president will have a challenge from the Republican Party and there should be . Yeah, no, listen, jeff flake he was once a golden boy of the conservative movement and up and comer in the Republican Party. He has been driven out by donald trump because he has had the courage to stand up to him on some of the ways in which the president has behaved, some of the things we talked about tonight. And he clearly he believes that trump is leading the Republican Party down a disastrous path. And that and that there has to be an intervention. He clearly thinks he might be an intervening force. Thank you, David Axelrod, i cant wait to see it. I appreciate it. This week on the axe files more from republican senator jeffery flake. Sit down with David Axelrod where they talk about President Trump. The axe files saturday 7 00 p. M. On cnn. Up next white house communication attention director hope hicks calling it quits a day after spending nine hours in front of the House Intel Committee and admitting to telling white lies for the president. Im asking a member of the committee what else she had to say. Hello, aloe. 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Hope hicks testified in front of your committee nine hours. Telling lawmakers she occasionally tells white lies for the president but never lies about anything related to russia. First, do you believe her . Well, i dont believe we got a straight answer from her. I asked her, don, a number of times if she had been asked by the president to lie for him. And if you have to take two time outs confer with lawyers and come back and give a a very tightly scripted answer, i think we already know what the answer is. And thats unfortunate because this trump team, the trump family, there have been so many occasions where they have lied or not been forthcoming about contacts with russia that i think thats a fair and relevant question. You led the democratic questioning. She reportedly refused to answer whether the president and a litany of Trump Associates asked her to lie. Talk to us about that. Sure, don. Actually we all worked on the questioning together. That was just my portion of the questioning. I asked her, you know, if donald trump or don junior or Michael Cohen or Paul Manafort a number of individuals who have lied about contacts with russia, if they asked her to lie for them. And she refused to answer. And again, i think this is fair because it goes to her credibility and it goes to action that is others may have asked her to take. And you know this is we just saw more bricks put in the wall that now stands higher between our investigation and what really happened with the trump team and russia. One of your colleagues rebuke republican tom rooney says your line of questioning was a trap and overly broad and democrats sent hope hicks down a rabbit hole she couldnt get out of. Whats your response to that . Its entirely fair. Its asked across america of witnesses. Have you ever been asked to lie for somebody or have you ever told a lie before . Again its very revealing if you have to take a time out to devise an answer. We saw in real time a Communications Director to devise an answer. Leading hope hicks down a rabbit hole, and theyre will also saying its a witch hunt. Are you concerned about the the longevity of this investigation . Im concerned about that the investigation has been going on for some time now. And we actually dont have many witnesses to show for it. Witnesses come in. And its a take them at their word investigation, where we havent shone the willingness to use the subpoena power to corroborate or contradict what they say or go after the thousands of documents that are out there, whether bank records, communication logs, travel records, to see what this family and Campaign Team were up to and the communications are the russians that we know took place. Yes. What im asking, are you concerned that by republicans saying this is a rabbit hole and the president sayings in a witch hunt theyre going to try to shut it down . Thats what i meant by the longevity. By their own words, im concerned they want to shut it down. They were talking about that back in december. I think the best thing our committee has done for the American People, the democrats, has been to show a real interest in understanding what the vulnerabilities were, identifying who in the u. S. Had worked with the russians and then putting forward reform that is could help us make sure this never happens again. I think that and the interest of the American People has allowed this investigation to continue. But if were not allowed to fully pursue all of the pieces of evidence were going to be even more vulnerable and see other countries look at this as an opportunity to meddle in future elections. I want to get back to hope hicks now specifically. Because reportedly she refused to reply whether anyone asked her to lie until you mentioned former National Security adviser general flynn. Tell us about that. What was her response . Well, i was going threw the number of individuals as i said who have been proven to have lied about russia. And when i asked her if general flynn asked her to lie she said no except she added that not during the campaign. I asked her about during the transition. And she went on to say he didnt explicit ily ask her to lie but he asked her to pass along information that later turned out not to be true. Don, i took a step back and said if youre willing to tell me he did not tell you or ask you to lie, why cant you answer that same question for don junior, ivanka, Jared Kushner, Paul Manafort, and of course donald trump himself . And she as she did in the past rchzed to answer that question. Again thats very telling. She was okay answering question base him but not about other things. Why is that . Do you know . It looked like he was willing to throw general flynn under the bus. But she knew who she needed to protect. So, congressman, the New York Times is reporting that the senate Intelligence Committee has determined republicans on the committee leaked private Text Messages they obtained between senator mark warner, the top democrat on the senate intel and a lawyer connected to russia. Do you think thats true . And does it undermine trust in your investigation even further . Im concerned that when confronted with the allegations the house intelligence republicans did not deny them in the statement that they put out. And this would not be the first time we have seen the selective leaking on their side to the Washington Examiner where they preview witnesses or evidence we werent told about. This is what we are dealing with. This is the snow that we have to plow to make sure we protect the democracy. Were up for doing it. And, don, if things dont change come november, and the democrats win the house, i promise you we will have an investigation that protects and secures the ballot box. 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Not the least bit surprised about questions about the vancouver operation, particularly given the financing in part you can trace back to china. And we need to know whether there were foreign agents trying to influence in some way the operations of our government. Richard, how big a deal is this . Its just the tip of the iceberg. The Kushner Family has a lot of deals going on all over the place. And financing from china, apparently some discussions with russian banks. Jared kushner and his family owe money to a lot of people. A lot of people have been going into the white house, apparently trying to get various favors from the United States government. So this vancouver operation is just a piece of a much larger puzzle. They reek of conflicts of interest. Thats because they wouldnt sell the businesses upon entering government as others do. The ethics lawyers advised them to sell the businesses. They didnt want to. They want to run the business and collect money all over the world while theyre working for the government. And of course thats a rest pie for corruption. So somebody is going to be offering payments and its nothing but scandal. And meanwhile jared curb in ner cant get a security clearance because of mueller hot on his tail. Its not a good situation for them. They dont belong in the white house. And this news about ivanka comes on the heels about Jared Kushners family, his Real Estate Company searching half billion dollars in loans from companies he met with in his official capacity as a white house adviser. We know his company is in a lot of debt. How much financial trouble is kushners company in right now . Well, the kushners owned a lot of apartments nicely profitable for them. And got talked into putting all the money into 666 fifth avenue, for which they which wouldly overpaid at the top of a market. They face a serious crisis that could radically diminish finances. What happened here, the New York Times look out from little bits of Public Record here and there that is not in any way questioned by kushners lawyer is really disturbing. Apollo, through its lending arm made a loan three times the size of their average loan. Shortly after meeting that went sdz on with Jared Kushner. Citigroup is intensely regulated by the federal government. When it was created originally it was not in compliance with federal law because it combined Retail Banking and insurance in one shop, which was illegal under the glass siegel act. They have tremendous regulatory interests. Theyre trying to get the Consumer Finance bureau paired back. And their ceo meets with Jared Kushner and then they issue this enormous loan . Im sorry. Even if there was nothing wrong, this stinks to high heaven. Dick cheney got questions raised about his Stock Options when he left hal burton to become Vice President. The size of these things, don, this is just beyond belief that we are not in the streets saying,s in wrong, you know, youre there to do the governments business, not your business. I want to read the statement. This is a statement from ivanka trumps ivanka trump i would imagine its her attorney. But saying cnn is wrong that any hurdle obstacle concern, red flag or problem has been raised with respect to miss trump. Saying basically ivanka trump has done nothing wrong. Jared kushner followed the rules and done everything he could. David do you want to say something. Well with he dont really quite say that. They are artfully worded to their nondenial denials. Jared kushner followed the advice he was given. Okay. Fine. Nobody has suggested otherwise. And in the case of ivanka trump, you know, its set up as well there hasnt been a red flag raised. Excuse me if counterintelligence is asking questions about it by definition thats a red flag. Richard what do you say . Well, first of all there is no ethics advice given in this white house. This is the ethics shop that wrote the office of government ethics and said the rules dont apply to the white house staff. They get the ethics from fox news. And its also accurate to say that this is nothing has change because this is how the white house has operated since january 20 of 2017. The president came in with unprecedented conflicts of interest. And he basically gave the middle finger to anybody who said he ought to divest assets. Thats what we get here. Its trickling down through the white house staff. Everybody has the same attitude. Theyre holding onto the conflicts of interest, making money at the same time serving in our government. All the big banks and everybody wants to curry favor with the Administration Knows how to do it. We captain necessarily call it bribery because we cant prove its bribe ary because the cases are so hard to prove under the case law. We found that out with senator menendez. The Supreme Court gutted the bribry statute. Its obvious whats going on. And the public doesnt need to put up with it. And they ought to high tail ought of the white house. And the rest of them as well who have the conflicts of interest who just want to make money instead of serve the public. Ed david, a quick last word here. Well, we should be very concerned about ivankas deal and other deals that are going to come to light where the money comes from china which has done all sort of favors for the Trump Administration and trump family family during the pendency of the Trump Administration. All right. Thank you, gentlemen. Appreciate your time. When with he come back. Almost six in 10 americans think President Trump is a racist. You know there is going to be a lot of discussion about this. Thats next. G it up a notch. 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One word. Duh . This is something the president has proven time and again, even before he took office over a year ago. This has been the way that he has conducted himself in business. We saw that in the 70s. He and his father were sued for denying housing to blacks and hispanics. We saw clearliright before he announced for president his big Birther Movement that made him explode on the political scene. And the the day he announced for president when he called mexicans rapists appear criminals. And it went on and on. The charlottesville incident, the judge incident where he could he couldnt do his job because he was of hispanic heritage. Only so much time maria. Interesting enough, the judge just decided something in favor of trump. Yes. So i think the question moving forward is, what are americans going to do about it . Yeah. Ken i want to ask you, because there is a stark partisan breakdown here. 85 of democrats, 21 of republicans. Are you surprised that 21 of republicans think the president is a racist. If you think back to how tumultuous this president s path was to becoming president through a field of 17, i expect to see residual, you know never trumper type people in that category. And these kinds of splits on these questions are pretty common. But obviously its just more sensitive with this president. One who probably sets records for being insensitive. Wait, wait . Its pretty common that 21 of our own republicans think our spt a racist . When was the last time that happened. What im talking about if you ask a negative question about a democrat president , most republicans will agree with it and most democrats will disagree. But it wont be universal. This happens to be the question du jour but the question was about republicans 21 . Yes, i understand. You seem to be dismissing it as if the its the question being asked as opposed to to the substance of the question. No, no, no. Look, this president was elected president while having an unfavorable rating higher than his favorable rating. He happened to run against someone with a similar situation. And he has never been a warm fuzzy or concerned about any of this stuff. And not to say he shouldnt be. Clearly i think he goes way too far in that respect. Simone. Thats where this comes from. I want to you respond to this, because if you look at the the latest polling 70 to 80 of republicans are still behind the president , which means that they think he is 12 yet they support him simone am i off on that. Youre absolutely right. This goes back to the election. A number of republicans can be conservative folks that dont view themselves as quote unquote trump republicans pulled the lever for donald trump and support him because he is the republican president. And they dont necessarily dpree with the things he is saying, even if they think he is a racist they think that he will still be a better president in terms of a republican agenda than anyone else. And you know, frankly i think thats a sad place for us to be. I dont disagree with simone. We all know my position on donald trump as a conservative. I lamented his rise and the quality republican candidates he took out that werent bigots. I i was telling you don i struggle whether he is a racist or big ol. Isnt that a difference in degrees. Yes, but for the purposes of the conversation he is not a bull connor racist but he is a bigot. I dont want to diminish when its active racism on things. It could be an academic exercise. But the fact that this many people have this conversation i agree with simone a is sad state of affairs for this country. But its nobodys fault but donald trumps. And the fact that so many people try to make excuses for a litany of things that maria listed and among others we are kin dread spirits on this aspect of donald trump, the fact that people try to excuse that away is troubling. Because its not okay. The way he behaves, those things are just not okay, especially come from the office of the president. I have often said if you dont prioritize racism or misogyny or whatever that means you condone it, right you condition dont it in a certain way. Add jason means standing beside it. Silence is complicity. Go ahead, ken. Yeah, so a lot of the list that we heard, the very thorough list back to the 70s, was wellknown to voters when they made the choice in november of 2016. This president hasnt changed in any of these regards. Yeah. And but voters knew what they were getting. Ken. There was an trerptive and. You are accepting the point we just made. Yes people knew about it backup but does that make it okay . This is a large number of people, Alarming Number of people think a horrible think about the president of the United States. I. Don i will not argue that we are in a really sad place politically. I would have said that two years ago. And i agree. I would say this and i think ken might agree. I actually think a lot of people who voted for trump, including a lot of republicans were at least hoping that he was saying these things during the Campaign Just for effect. Right. Not that that makes it okay. I actually think that makes it worse. That makes it worse. Okay. But i do think that a lot of people thought that he even said it himself that he could be more president ial than anybody else. But the fact of the matter is that he has proven time and again that this is who he is. This is what his heart is. And it is not a pretty picture. And the question is, what are americans going to do about it now . Which is why the midterm elections are so indicative of where this pendulum is swinging and democrats just this week went through and flipped their 39th district from republican to democrat because i do think that Many Americans are starting to prioritize this. And understand that he is turning this country into something that they dont recognize. Simone youll get the first word on the other side of the break. Well talk about it when we well talk about it when we come back. The new formula intensely moisturizes hair and scalp and keeps you up to 100 flake free. And now, try new head and shoulders conditioner. They have businesses to run they have passions to pursue how do they avoid trips to the post office . Stamps. Com mail letters ship packages all the Amazing Services of the post office right on your computer get a 4 week trial plus 100 in extras including postage and a digital scale go to stamps. Com tv and never go to the post office again. 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Are you the greatest . Were build ago wall . He is a mexican. Were build ago wall between here and mexico. If you are saying he cant do his job because of his race, is that not the definition of racism . No, i dont think so at all. Are you racist . I the least racist person that you have ever met. I am the least racist person. This has been happening weve been talking about this since the campaign began. Yeah, donald, i want to remind people that donald trump is one of the architects and spokes people for the racist Birther Movement that asserted president obama was not born in this country. I just want to make sure folks understand something. That the fact that donald trump is not bull connors version of racism does not mean he is not in fact a racist or just as bad. I think 21st century racism looks a little bit different. Its not necessarily white hoods and yelling the n word in the street. Kind of is. Kind of came back. Yeah, i mean. Unfortunately. Youre right. We we have come full circle sfwroo but theyre wearing khakis. Khaki and polos. Racism is not always transactional. Donald trump, i do believe traffics in racism, a racist hangs out with the supremacists, sympathizes with them. And the fact that some americans voted for him despite this does not excuse the fact that its true. We dont want to conflate the fact that he was elected with it dont matter. The number of people saying he is racist, 5 . Its similar to the number of people that disapprove of his performance thats high. Yeah, yeah. So, is that because people either love him or hate him, maria . Well, i mean, i think its certainly that, but i also think that they are starting to realize just how pernicious having a racist in the oval office is. Because it goes beyond words. It goes beyond all of the insulting litany of things that you just ran, don, and the list goes on and on. We could probably do a whole program on the sound bites of how racist his comments have been in the past. But it goes to policies that actually have been incredibly hurtful to the communities of color in this country. Im glad you said that. I want to pose this to ken. Okay. Theres a concern about the impact of his policies. Lets talk policy. People say, oh, this is how people feel, they feel hes racist, he said this, whatever, but about his policies, heres what the poll says. 57 of americans believe his policies have been bad for muslims. 56 believe they have been bad for hispanics. 47 believe they have been bad for blacks. Do you believe republicans will pay the price for this in 2018 . Well, any time you have negative feelings towards the president , we pay a price for that. But the reality on an economic level, just take africanamericans, is theyve had two better quarters, if i remember my numbers correctly under this president than theyve had in about a decade. So okay, all right. And the Unemployment Rate let me finish. How people feel is important. They decide how they vote based on how they feel. But the facts and objectivity are important when it comes to economic success and improvement. And were in an improvement path. Go ahead. The point that republicans like to some of my republicans, not all, like to cite around the Unemployment Rate for africanamericans in this country is a bunch of bs. And im sorry, but the fact of the matter is that the Unemployment Rate for black people in this country is still two times or more higher than white people in this country. And so, i im not im not happy about that. Yes, the economy is actually the issues that cut across the board, didnt think what my friend here understands is that this is not how people feel about the president. We have real policies that have come out of this white house and this administration have had time to sit and fester for a little bit, if you will. And so folks arent just telling how they feel about the muslim ban. Theyre telling you how theyve been directly impacted by it. And i have to remember, when president obama took office, the Unemployment Rate among africanamericans was almost at 17 , 16. 7 , and by the time he left, it was at 7 . The low sevens. And now its at 6. 8. Those numbers are difficult, because everyone uses the Unemployment Rate, which is not really accurate because its only, like, q1 and its a snapshot but listen. It only counts people who are seeking work at the time. Im only saying it because ken brought it up. I know. Its a snapshot of where we are at the moment. At the course of that time and this time, theres not that much for this president to brag about. Yes, its in good territory right. Theres two quick things about that. A rooster will take credit for the dawn, okay . Which means that what trump is taking credit for was not of his making, number one. Number two, to kens point about how people feel, look, they might see that the economy is Getting Better and they actually do credit obama more than they do trump, but more importantly, especially for hispanics and africanamericans and muslims, when you have to cower in your in your home, because you believe either that the police are going to be after you or that somebodys going to come deport you, even though you are a citizen of the United States or that someone else thats the bottom line here. I have ten seconds. That is going to be a big deal in the midterms. Right. Perception is reality. Its how people feel. And unfortunately, donald trump has given a lot of people, a lot of minorities reason to feel that he is racist and not on their side, regardless of what the economic policies may bear out. Thank you. Well be right back. If only harry used some. Bounce, to dry. He would be a less wrinkly, winning guy. I have antivirus, but my computers still slow. Thats not right. 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