He has a pattern. What the pattern we have from donald trump is a lot of times hell lie about something that happens and hell do what he wants to do. All of this im convinced symone ive convinced her. I think you made a lot of progress with symone. All that matters, what will this mean if the president does meet with Special Counsel and asked about this . If he gives answers hes been giving to the media and others, it may not go well. Our coverage continues right now, cnn tonight with don lemon. This is cnn Breaking News. It is bombshell Breaking News on the Russia Investigation, really. This is cnn tonight. Im don lemon. This is hugely significant. The president , President Trump ordered Robert Mueller, the Special Counsel heading up the Russia Investigation fired this past june. And the only thing that stopped him was when his own White House Counsel Don Mcgahn threatened to quit rather than carry out the order. This story was first reported by
the rosenstein firing, the rosenstein the president has not trusted for quite some time, really, if ever. Again, that was another reason he kept being discussed. The president kept saying to people that rosenstein comes from baltimore, which is not true. And the idea that he is trying to suggest that he is a democrat. But rosenstein has been in the president s craw future some time. And the idea is if you get rid of rosenstein, then you would have someone else become the Attorney General. In this case, it was the number three, rachel brand, and perhaps she would be a better overseer of the Special Counsel. Maggie haberman, tremendous reporting. Thank you very much. We appreciate you joining us on cnn. Thank you. Again, this is our Breaking News tonight. Hugely significant. President trump ordered Robert Mueller, the Special Counsel heading up the Russia Investigation, fired this past june. And the only thing that stopped
him was when the White House Counsel Don Mcgahn threatened to quit rather than carry out the order. Again, the story supported by the New York Times has been confirmed down now by two other News Organizations. Lets bring in cnn senior political analyst mark preston, cnn political analyst Carl Bernstein and White House Reporter kaitlan collins. Also john dean, who was of course white House Counsel, nixons white House Counsel and cnn legal analyst laura coates joins us as well. Man, what a story we have here. Im going get to all of you. But mark, i want to get to you first. Let me read this. This is from maggies reporting. It says the west wing confrontation is the first time mr. Trump is known to have tried to fire the Special Counsel. Mr. Mueller learned about the episode in recent months as his investigators interviewed current and former senior white house officials in his inquiry into whether the president obstructed justice. So, mark, whats your reaction to this breaking story . You know, unfortunately, don, im not surprised by it at all. And i dont think anybody who is watching tonight should be surprised by it at all. He has been very adamant about his opposition to this
investigation, which leads you to wonder why has he been so fervently against it . At the same time, there is a track record. He fired james comey because he wasnt considered loyal enough to him. He wanted Jeff Sessions to leave his job as the Attorney General because he would recuse himself from overseeing the Mueller Investigation now. We know that Jeff Sessions had offered his resignation, and it wasnt accepted. This is another very big red flag that i think those people out there that are watching that think this has just been going down rabbit holes and that this is a partisan attack or criticism of donald trump that. They need to stop and start looking at the evidence right now. Of course, if youre only paying attention to conservative media, you might not believe that you might not even get the news on conservative media. Laura, i have to ask you this. The president didnt ultimately go through with it, okay. Can this be used as evidence against trump for obstruction . Yes, obstruction is a crime
of endeavoring. You can endeavor to actually obstruct justice, and that can be enough to move the needle towards obstruction, even if you did not accomplish that crime. And all the things youre talking about marks a discussion about a pattern. These are all patterns of consciousness of guilt. These are all contextual clues telling you can infer what his intent would be, and he is endeavored to not only do these things, but in one case, if his own statements to lester holt are to believed, he actually accomplished one form of obstruction by trying to fire and actually firing james comey because of his handling and continuation of a Russia Investigation that circled around him and his inner circle. John dean, i wanted you to hear some of the reporting first before i got to you. What do you make of all this . Im sure this is reminiscent of when you served as Special Counsel. Well, in a way, it is. Laura is right in saying that under the statutory law, this is clearly an endeavor. What we have, though, is another
set of laws called the law of impeachment. Whatever that is what the majority of the House Of Representatives says it is. And whether they decide it is an impeachable offense, of course, is a majority vote. But they all draw from statutes and make those the relevant standard. But i think were just piecing another piece in this big puzzle as to what is intent. And he is making very clear his intent was to obstruct. If this had taken place, john, would this have been on par with the Saturday Night Massacre Under Nixon . Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. I think that don mcgahn threatened to resign because he had no choice. He realized he was engaging and possibly joining a criminal conspiracy to remove or to obstruct justice. And thats what a lawyer has to do in a situation like that is either threaten to resign or quietly resign. In some jurisdictions, they actually have to make a noisy withdrawal when they do it. Yeah. You were shaking your head in agreement when you said this is another piece in the puzzle, and a big piece. It is. Because we see the pattern above all things. Donald trump through his first year in office has done Everything Possible to undermine, obstruct, demean, and halt this legitimate investigation into his campaign, the conduct of people in his family. It doesnt mean theyre guilty. He doesnt want this investigation to go forward at all costs. He now has engaged the Republican Party, which is staking its future to some extent in trying to undermine the investigation. What weve seen in the last two weeks from republicans trying to undermine muellers version is quite extraordinary thinking has to speak to deeper concerns the president might have to this investigation, carl, and where it might lead, no . Well, of course hes concerned. Look, i cant be in Donald Trumps head. Thats a very dangerous place to be. But i think its obvious, and he hates where this investigation is going. He tells his friends, oh, there is nothing there. That this is a witchhunt. They just want to get into my finances. But this is about his conduct, about his conduct in the campaign, about his conduct in the transition, about his conduct in possible obstruction as president of the United States. And it is deadly serious. And the people around him understand he is in legal danger. He may or may not understand he is in legal danger. But thats what were dealing with here. But there is an extraordinary second element of that. And that is what we are seeing once again with the white House Counsel restraining the president of the United States from following his instincts. What is going on in the white house now is trying to contain a president whose basic instincts
are out of control very often, and to do things that are neither reputable, often not legal, and certainly not in keeping with the president ial oath to defend the office in a responsible way. With the tradition of president s who came before him. What is the white house saying, if anything tonight . The only statement they put out is from ty cobb, a white house lawyer saying they respectfully decline to comment on this out of respect for the Special Counsels investigation and its process, which is a very interesting comment especially in light we just saw Anthony Scaramucci talk with our colleague chris cuomo saying its irrelevant president wanted don mcgahn to fire because thats not how it works. Its interesting if you look at what has happened over the last 36 hours. Because the white house has put out this information to reporters saying 20 people from the white house has spoken with Robert Mueller. Weve given them all these documents. We fully cooperated. Theyre putting on this front that theyre fully cooperating with the Special Counsels office. But as maggie, who broke the story just pointed out, the white house has spent the last seven months lying to not only reporters, but the American People because they have said that the president did not consider firing him. He did not threaten to fire him. It was not on his mind at all. From sean spicer to Sarah Sanders to kellyanne conway, to the president himself, these people have lied to the American People saying to the president was not considering firing the Special Counsel when in fact he was. Mark, kaitlan, laura, john thank you very much. Carl bernstein, john dean, i want you to stay with me. When we come back, President Trump tried to fire special Counsel Robert Mueller last june, and the only threat by his own white House Counsel to quit stopped him. Did the president learn nothing from the firestorm over firing james comey . President trump called for special Counsel Robert Mueller to be fired in june. But backed down when white house attorney don mcgahn threatened to resign rather than carry out that directive. Back with me Carl Bernstein and john dean. Gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us here and continuing to join us here on the program. John, there have been multiple times since june that the president has denied he has considered Firing Mueller. Watch this. Mr. President , youve sought or thought about, considered leading to the dismissal of Special Counsel. Is there anything bob mueller could do to send you in that direction . I havent given it any thought. Ive been reading about it from you people saying oh, im going dismiss him. No im not dismissing anybody. I want them to get on with the task. But i also want the senate and the house to come out with their findings. A quick followup on an earlier question to sarah. You discussed the Special Counsel and the investigation currently. Are you considering firing Robert Mueller . No, not at all. Are you considering Firing Mueller . No, im not. So, john, his staff and his attorneys also denied it at
least five other times. Yet we know now thats not true. It is not true. And this all will be used or could be used against him at some point. Its going to come up when he is questioned by mueller, asking him how could he make a Public Statement that is 180 degrees from the truth when he clearly has evidence that the exact opposite happened. His staff is complicit as well. Whether this is sufficient to join a conspiracy to obstruct is not clear, but its certainly ooh willingness to play along. We need more evidence to see if they actually agreed to conspire. But this is serious stuff, don. And its a remarkable breaking story because it does show and complete the pattern that weve been seeing. Yeah. Carl, ive got to ask you, and i asked in the tease before the break, did he learn nothing . Did he learn nothing from the blowback from firing james comey . Has he learned anything over the past year . Well, actually, hes been very successful in his own terms, which is to say he acts as if nothing sticks to him. And in fact, very little has. And he, if you talk to the people around him, they will tell you, this is his operating presumption. That if he can get his base riled up about a witchhunt, that is more important than the lying we just saw, more important than Firing Mueller or giving pardons. He believes on some level im told he can get away with just about anything. And in fact, he has in many regards. And now he has for the last two weeks the republicans on capitol hill tethered to him, tooting a line that is so much in his defense at a moment when they ought to be saying the president of the United States is not above the law. This investigation must go forward. We must find out what happened here. And instead, mcconnell, ryan, have done nothing to say to their members let our position be we want this investigation to be completed. We support it. Lets find out what happened and then we can move on. Cnn has now confirmed the president ordered the firing of special Counsel Robert Mueller in june. The directive was not followed through. Has he realized, john, and maybe people in the white house, maybe they havent realized because theyve never worked there before. Many have never held positions in washington that very little remains secret in the white house. You know that. Thats very true. While they can stay secret for a while, inevitably, they slip out. Particularly that was evident going in with this presidency, that he was going to have great trouble with leaks. And it is borne out. One of my earliest tweets about the presidency is how porous it was going to be just watching the campaign. So hes got to assume everything
he does is basically going to be reported at some stage. And he ought to be acting in a way it will not be any problem to be reported. One thing i can say for him, he speaks his mind, which if he was doing this Behind Closed Doors as nixon did, and then it came out, it would be even more devastating. Its pretty devastating coming out the way it is. But at least its not Behind Closed Doors. Does trump know does he have to admit to mueller that he tried to fire him when he interviews him in a facetoface, john . Well, he is likely to be caught in a lie if he doesnt. Mcgahn obviously got the instruction, understood it, realized the implications of it, the criminal implications of it. The conspiratorial. Its perjury, right, if he lies . Well, it depends whether he is under oath. Of course he said he would like to be under oath. But its more likely hell just be interviewed by mueller with
other aids and other maybe some fbi agents present as well. And there his threat is under 18 usc 1001, which is the false statement statute. You cannot fake false statements to federal official, especially an investigative setting like this. So, yes, he has to tell the truth. Carl, i want to read more. This is from the times. This is the president s argument for why mueller should go, okay, why he should be fired. First he claimed that a dispute years ago over fees at Trump National golf course in sterling, virginia, had prompted mr. Mueller, the fbi director at the time, to resign his membership. The president also said mr. Mueller could not be impartial because he had most recently worked for law firm that previously represented the president s soninlaw, jared. Finally, the president said mr. Mueller had been interviewed to return as fbi director the day before he was appointed Special Counsel in may. Are those legitimate reasons, any of those . No. Theyre not only not legitimate reasons, theyre obviously the product of some, quote, Opposition Research to find out everything they could about mule mueller that might be some kind of potential conflict of interest. None of them seriously are. What all of this is about is only his trumps desire to make this investigation go away. Thats what he has been doing for a year, to discredit in everywhere possible, to make sure somehow that his family is not brought into this any further. And now the tentacles of this investigation are around members of his own family. Those closest to him in his business organization, in this campaign organization. It doesnt mean that theyre going to be found guilty or even indicted. But this investigation has touched and surrounded the people hes closest to. And now himself. He knows he is in the crosshairs of this, particularly with the obstruction element. And he is still determined, according to those that he talks to somehow find a republicans to find a way to out , make this investigation go away so that he is not further burdened by it. Do you remember that red line, john dean, that he set back in july when he told the New York Times they cannot look into my finances. They should not be looking into my finances. That was a month after he tried to fire mueller. Thats right. And he is no position to draw red lines, or his staff. Mueller is going to decide the scope of his investigation. He can always go back to the Deputy Attorney general who is his superior in this instance because of sessions recusal and get Broader Authority if he we understand from testimony before the House Judiciary Committee by rosenstein that indeed he has done this. He has constantly been in touch
about this investigation. So that red line comment is really meaningless, don. And he is looking at those financial aspects. We know this from the lawyers for other people who work at the white house who have been asked questions by muellers investigators about these specifics having to do with Trump Organization finances, with Jared Kushners finances, with Donald Trumps finances. He is looking into Donald Trumps finances, particularly as they relate to russians, russian nationals, possible russian businesses. And why would that be . Because if indeed there is some suggestion or evidence of going along with russian efforts to undermine Hillary Clintons campaign, there might be a financial component aimed at making the president open to ending these sanctions. John, i think its important. I want to put this tweet up. This is from Walter Schwab. Before you canonize mcgahn, remember, he pressured sessions not to recuse. I bet his objection was not that Firing Mueller was wrong, but that it was dangerous. Also, this is not the first leak to paint mcgahn in a good light at trumps expense. If i were trump, i would wonder about mcgahn. Is he implying that mcgahn could make the same decision that you did with Richard Nixon and cooperate with investigators . Well, i dont think he has any choice in this instance. His client is not donald trump. Its the office of the president. He is going to have to respond accordingly. I think walter makes a good point about canonizing the counsel for doing what he is supposed to do. But he obviously i think it also suggests that he saw the peril in this and the potential criminality of it. And thats why he backed off and was wise to do so. And that might be why trump has
also changed his tune and say i look forward to talking that to this guy. He may realize he crossed the line. By the way, were going talk to Walter Schwab at the top of the next hour. Thank you, gentlemen. I appreciate it. Thank you so much. When when come back, much more on our Breaking News. President trump ordered Robert Mueller fired last june. The only thing that stopped him, a threat of resignation from the white House Counsel. Were going to tell you what Sarah Sanders said just days ago when asked about the president Firing Mueller. Yes, yes and yes. And dont forget about them. Uh huh, sure. Still yes xfinity delivers gig speed to more homes than anyone. Now you can get it, too. Welcome to the party. Here is the Breaking News. A source confirms to cnn tonight that President Trump ordered the firing of special Counsel Robert Mueller last june, backing off only after White House Counsel Don Mcgahn threatened to quit. Joining me to talk about this now, cnn political analyst ryan lizza, as well as cnn Political Commentator robby mook and scott jennings. Gentlemen, good evening to you. Ryan, i want to start with you. The president tried to pull off his own saturday night massacre, except he couldnt. What is your reaction to this . Well, it is part of a pattern that weve seen now for a year with this investigation, whether it was, you know, demanding loyalty from comey and of course
so that doesnt mean just because he didnt it didnt happen, that he didnt try to do it. His intent was to do it. Im not disputing the reporting. But he has actually gone through with other things. I mean, he obviously fired comey. There have been moments where he did things and there have been moments where he didnt do things. I think the interplay there is important context for this conversation tonight. Robbie . He had comey, he had someone at the Justice Department as a sort of fig leaf and an excuse to do it, right . The rosenstein memo. I think he was probably hoping he would get the same thing here where mcgahn would go through it and he could say oh, my white House Counsel did it. He said it was fine. Go ahead, robbie. I know you want to weigh in on this. Yeah, first of all the fact that the white house is lying about something that happened, thats not news. But this is another big piece in a picture thats been unfolding as ryan was saying. And this investigation has only
this going to be too much and republicans are going to start flaking away. Do you want to take a crack at that, scott . Well, i dont think the Republican Party is going to peel away from the president of the United States based on one article in the New York Times. I think most republicans will watch what mueller does. Will see how it plays out, and theyll make decisions from there. We tend to have this conversation after every story. When is the Republican Party going to move . Well, look, theyre going to let the process play out, and we dont know anything yet. We dont know yet when the president is going to talk to the counsel. We dont know what charges, if any more are coming. We dont know what the results of this are going to be. And i dont think one story in one news story is going to cause republicans to go running for the hills. If they havent already, theyve decide heard this going to stick with the president until they have seen some real evidence that theyve done something wrong here. Ryan, is it just one story . Well, no its obviously the accumulation of stories. And with each of these stories, we get a little bit the picture comes into focus a little bit more. But the general pattern is the president of the United States
doing everything he can up until certain lines to shut this investigation down. It seems like the comey firing was so politically disastrous inside the white house. And i think a lot of republicans warned him that doing something similar to mueller would end his presidency. So it does seem that cooler heads prevailed when he ordered mcgahn to do this. If you remember, there were republican voices on the hill when this was being floated this summer, saying dont do that, dont do that. That would be a red line. So Firing Mueller has for a lot of republicans, it has always been the red line. And it looked like trump couldnt figure out a way that he could pull the trigger on firing him without it being his direct decision. I think its very interesting that the president wouldnt do it himself. He wanted his white House Counsel to do it, but he wouldnt do it himself. For some reason he was scared. I have to ask you this,
because Anthony Scaramucci, you know a little bit about Anthony Scaramucci. He seemed to try to pin the blame for this story coming out on steve bannon. That was a short time ago. He spoke with chris. Listen. I find it very ironic that this information is coming out while he is here in davos, while hes had great fanfare. So, you know, you and me, i would love to get a look at somebody like Steve BannonsPhone Records to see who he is talking to and how this information is out there. Second thing i will say is that the president talks to everybody. And so this information apparently happened in june. Why it is coming out right now like a big Water Balloon on the president when he is having a fantastic trip here in davos, meeting with World Leaders . Ryan, how do i dont think the news tonight is going to reverberate in trump world, or is reverberating . That wont be the only fingerpointing going on, will it . Yeah, im sure like anthony, im sure there will be a lot of people in the white house trying
to figure out who leaked this. If i remember correctlythe times had four sources, and other News Organizations have now confirmed this as well. Look, scaramucci has had a long running feud with steve bannon. And steve a sort of easy scapegoat because he is outside of the white house. He obviously is unhappy with how he was treated there. But just to clear up what he said, there is no evidence, of course, that bannon did this. I think this is just scaramucci trying to point the finger at a sort of the Current Trump enemy. Robby, not to give you short shrift, but Sarah Sanders has been standing at the podium denying this, also saying the president is a looking forward to speaking to the Special Counsel, and so on. But it seems some of the answer given over the past i guess over the past year really have been disingenuous to say the least. Yeah, but the sky is blue. These guys have lied about
things every single day on his campaign, and now as president. Thats not surprising. You know, what is also not surprising, frankly, is the double standard here. I think this is another example where donald trump, for whatever reason appears to get away with things that nobody else can. We obviously had the scandal about him paying a woman off. And were looking at other elected officials. Congressman pat meehan was removed from the Ethics Committee immediately when allegations came out and evidence came out against him. But donald trump, it just seems to bounce off him. And its because its ironic the sheer volume of scandal, the sheer variety of scandal means that nothing ever sticks. And im sure were going to be talking about something outages he says at davos tomorrow. But muellers investigation means this will culminate at some point. And i really think some republicans are going to regret how cozy they got with him and
how hard they defended him when there was no evidence with which to defend him. Gentlemen, thank you so much. I appreciate your time. Thanks, don. Weve got much more to come on our Breaking News that President Trump ordered Robert Mueller fired last june, and his white House Counsel threatened to quit rather than carry out that order. Well be right back. New year, new phones for the family. Join tmobile, and when you buy one of the latest Samsung Galaxy phones get a Samsung Galaxy s8 free. Yahoooo ahoooo plus, unlimited family plans come with netflix included. Spectacular so, you can watch all your netflix favorites on your new samsung phones. Whoa join the uncarrier and get a Samsung Galaxy s8 free. All on americas best unlimited network. Opportunity to go after steve bannon, no matter what the issue is. Bannon is a convenient target. He made himself that. Could bannon be one of the four people that perhaps talked to maggie . Very much so, sure. Does that really matter . No, of course it doesnt matter, because its true. But i think it may matter in one respect. I sort of look at don mcgahn and wonder, you know, the story puts him in a very positive light. Why now is the story coming out . Weve learned recently in this week weve learned Jeff Sessions was interviewed by the Special Counsels office. Other Intelligence Leaders its been reported recently that they too have been interviewed. There are other reports that show that this Obstruction Of Justice element of the investigation has moved forward, is moving forward. And so i wonder if the president isnt maybe returning to this idea now as the investigation intensifies, returning to the idea of getting rid of mueller. And this isnt Somebody Leaking to stop that. Oh my god, if he did, that really. You think people are concerned possibly that he might try to fire him from the white house . Leaks happen often for a reason. Sometimes its just interpersonal battles like he is suggesting. But sometimes there are bigger reasons. I just wonder about that. This story paints mcgahn in a very positive light, but it also makes it much more difficult for the president to make a move on mcgahn. Mcgahn, bannon and priebus all share the same lawyer. I think mcgahn is like pinto from the movie remember the movie with belushi, animal house. The angel and the devil. I think he was the angel in the voice of trump who might have had the impulse to say enough of this. What does that make trump . [ laughter ] but i think, look, his initial reaction is lets just get rid of this guy. But since then, since he was talked into not doing it, if thats what happened, this investigation has continued on for months and months and months. And it will culminate in a few weeks if trump meets with the special prosecutor. So i dont think theyre leaking this to fire him. I think thats well past that. Thats coming out . I dont know why. I have no idea why its been leaked now. Let me just say, this whole conversation, and the conversation yesterday about the secret society and nunes memo, the nunes memo. All of it is part of an arc to try to discredit Law Enforcement, in this case the department of justice. And for those of us who worked in the department of justice, or at least the fbis got 35,000 people who work there. If trump trump was so upset that he wanted to fire mueller, if that didnt happen, he is going to discredit. One way or another he is going to try to undermine and get rid of this investigation. And by doing so, undermining the rule of law. This is why republicans i know that hes got an 80 base. But the republicans in congress,
leaders in congress should step up and stay this is not who we are as a nation. Put your country before your how many times, governor have, you said that and other people said that . I dont think its going to happen. There are only so many institutions you undermine. Really, how machiavellian can you be to put this, the ends justify the means . We dont care which institutions of this country were going haul under, including the fbi, including the department of justice, including anything that gets in his way to be able to be clear of this investigation. This is the republicans best vehicle. And the least they can say the best vehicle is what . To get whatever legislation or agenda oh, i see. Its an ends justifies the means is what youre saying. Yes. Back to roy moore. Lets put him in. Thats the same thing. I asked the evangelicals. The ends justify the means. Go on. That is horrifying. Can we rewind the tape back to october before the election . Harry reid was Throwing Firebombs at the fbi. Harry reid was saying that the
institution is corrupt and that they might have broken federal law when it was against Hillary Clinton at that time. So now the tables are concerned. All of the sudden the dialogue is change. Both parties have attacked the fbi. Both parties have attacked. That may be the case. But what we see happening now from trumps loyalists in congress is an unprecedented in modern times attack by congress on our institutions, on our Law Enforcement. And i have to say there is a reason why this is happening. The republicans could have opposed trump. Republican members of congress could have opposed trump in the primaries. Many of them remain silent. He won 47 of the republican primary vote. He was weaker then than he is now. Now hes got about 85 approval. If they didnt do it then, theyre not going to do it now. Now they are stuck. And they are the party of government. And they have no one to blame. And so theyve got to come up with these Conspiracy Theories
that unfortunately are eroding public confidence. I think thats why most people will disagree with you. Because where democrats may have been upset with comey during the investigation, during the election, they said comey did it wrong. They said they had respect for comey. They did not have an orchestrated attack on the institution of the fbi. This has been an orchestrated attack on the fbi and on Law Enforcement in general from republicans, including Conspiracy Theories. That didnt happen with democrats. I dont think so. And mueller and comey are both republicans. I dont think its the top of the fbi is who they are going after. Not that the men and women that do the everyday job. I dont think thats who they were attacking. I think they were attack so people who theyre talking about in emails and what have you. Well, but they were higher level. Youre stalking about struck and that whole thing . 35,000. They were talking 35,000 fbi agents. Theyre attacking the top and the intent of those two. Theyre attacking the institution. And the two people theyre putting a broad brush against it. And now its infecting what would be normal republicans. Like ron johnson. I feel like he had a tin foil hat on yesterday as he was drooling at the thought of a secret society. It turns out he was embarrassed. Hold your thought. Well be right back. Well continue this conversation. Dont go anywhere. Its absolute confidence in 30,000 precision parts. Or it isnt. Its inspected by mercedesbenz factorytrained technicians. Or it isnt. Its backed by an unlimited mileage warranty, or it isnt. For those who never settle, its either mercedesbenz certified preowned, or it isnt. The mercedesbenz certified preowned sales event. Now through february 28th. Only at your authorized mercedesbenz dealer. Serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. Before treatment, get tested for tb. Tell your doctor if youve been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if youve had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flulike symptoms or sores. Dont start humira if you have an infection. Be there for you, and them. Ask your gastroenterologist about humira. With humira, remission is possible. You wont see these folks they have businesses to run. They have passions to pursue. How do they avoid trips to the post office . Stamps. Com mail letters, ship packages, all the services of the post office right on your computer. Get a 4 week trial, plus 100 in extras including postage and a digital scale. Go to stamps. Com tv and never go to the post office again. Breitbart. Thats become the new normal in the Republican Party. The crazy thing is that all day yesterday, fox news was all over this secret society thing. And other than one anchor today they didnt say one word. Shepard smith. Exactly. Because theyve been embarrassed. But who is the biggest proponent of these kind of Conspiracy Theories . Its like sean hannity, et cetera, who are out there taking pages from breitbart, from info wars, et cetera. That should be frightening to everybody. Because youve got a president who had the whole conspiracy thing down pat with barack obama and born in kenya, you know, ted cruzs father. On the grassy knoll. And now its infected the mainstream Republican Party. And that is such a shame. How does one have any credibility, especially when you mention that with any journalist when you had a grassy knoll conspiracy. When youre the perpetrator of the president not being born, of a birther. How does one have any credibility when it comes to anything . I would say were post facts. The game now is about i refuse to go along with this. We cant allow it. Let me read your tweet you. You said, and you tweeted this a short while ago. You said for trump to have ordered mueller fired, even when the public backlash over comeys firing was still intense shows just how bent on impeding the Russia Investigation he was, and just how much he apparently has to hide. What do you think the president has to hide . Well, i think that the president and his team at least encouraged, if not were more involved in russias efforts to influence our election. Well see what happens. I think hes probably got something to hide with regard to his Business Dealings with russian intelligence and Russian Mafia figures prior to the
election. And i think also hes got a lot to hide with Obstruction Of Justice now. Hes got plenty to hide. Well see what happens with this investigation. But to think just a month after he fired comey, when there was still so much backlash, that he then ordered the firing of mueller. That tells you. That tells you quite a lot about what lengths he is willing to go to, even when there is plenty of public opposition. Rob, quickly. But everyone has already hung the president. He is already guilty, right . We havent seen one ounce no one has said guilty here. Thats the implication here. Its Obstruction Of Justice. [ Overlapping Dialog ] the implication tried to fire mueller. The implication fire comey. If hes got nothing to hide. He talked to his lawyer. He gave the order. It didnt happen. The reason it didnt happen is because the pr backlash. Come on. I got run. I got to run. Thank you all. Nice try. Fascinating conversation. I appreciate having you. When we come back, President Trump ordered the firing of Robert Mueller back in june, only backing off when the white House Counsel threatened to resign instead of following the president s instructions. Is this proof that the president is trying to obstruct justice, or our experts will weigh in, i should say. Well be right back. Not in this house. cause thats no average family. Thats your family. Which is why you didnt grab just any cheese. You picked up Kraft Mozzarella with a touch of philadelphia for lasanyeah kraft. Family greatly. Directv has been rated number one in Customer Satisfaction over cable for 17 years running. But some people still like cable. Just like some people like preshaken sodas. Having their seat kicked on an airplane. Being rammed by a shopping cart. Sitting in gum. And walking into a glass door. But for everyone else, theres directv. For 1 rated Customer Satisfaction over cable, switch to directv and get a 200 reward card. Call 1. 800. Directv