Well, i can only speak to my experience. And i know that the twitter thread has sort of brought all these different people together. And ive heard from friends of friends that have heard from their friends of friends or their families, did you see this persons tweet . And the then they shared their immigration stories about how much their family sacrificed, or there was one about this man who read my tweets to his grandfather who escaped from nazi germany when he was 8. And there was another about a father who read it to his daughters. And he said, im so proud about this moment, to be able to explain this moment to my daughters. I think that thats why it was so successful. I think thats why it resonated with people. Can i ask you something . So if someone asks you, who is gary lee . What do you say to them . How do you answer that question . I am. I think he is this chubby, 90s, r b and hiphoploving guy from albuquerque, new mexico, that is just like everybody else. And i think that no matter where you grew up i think that thats really what this all speaks to, don, is that we i think that there is more partisanship, and we are more divided than weve ever been. And the reason for that is there is a lack of empathy. And what president obama used to say is theres more that unites us than divides us. And i think no matter where you grew up, you listen to boyz ii men and mariah carey and Whitney Houston and you watched full house and fresh prince. And you care for your parents and you care for your kids. And i think that we have forgotten that. I think that what we need more than ever is the same thing that president obama brought in 2008. I think thats what we need the most. I think thats hope. Gary lee, thank you. Regards to your family. Thank you, don. This is cnn tonight. Im don lemon. A little past 11 00 on the east coast, live with new developments tonight. A Government Shutdown looming, four days away, as hopes dim for a compromise deal on daca. But where does all this leave more than 700,000 d. R. E. A. M. Ers who were drot to this country as children . More on that in a moment. The maryland pastor who from the pulpit called out President Trumps vulgar comments about immigratii immigrants, with Vice President pence in the congregation. Ill talk to that pastor tonight. The latest on what could be a Government Shutdown and what it could mean for a daca deal. Ron nearing, former National Spokesperson for ted cruz, thanks for joining us. Cnn senior political analyst jennifer granholm, democratic former governor of michigan, thank you for joining us as well. Jennifer, governor granholm, just a week ago, the president seemed eager to get a deal, even to compromise on immigration. Watch this and then well discuss. If we do the right bill here, we are not very far away. Weve done most of it. You want to know the truth, if we do this properly, daca, on urnot so far away from comprehensive immigration reform. And if you want to take it that further step, ill take the heat, i dont care. Then this afternoon the prospect of compromise seems to have dimmed with the president saying, senator Dickey Durbin totally misrepresented what was said at the daca meeting, deals cant get made when theres no trust, durbin blew daca and is hurting our military. Who do you see as responsible for blowing the deal and why governor . Well, if the deal is blown, and i think its not a done deal yet, if the deal is blown in some way, it will mean that there is a Government Shutdown, potentially. Unless paul ryan, unless they can get the votes on the republican side. And who will get the blame for that . Its the republicans. I previeded when i was governor over a couple of shutdowns. Believe me, it is the executive that gets the blame for that, no matter how much time he tries to deflect, everybody is not stupid. We know who controls. Can i just Say Something . You had that beautiful guest on just a minute ago, mr. Lee. And it just im an immigrant myself. When you raise your right hand and take the oath, it is such an unbelievably powerful experience that so many people who have been here for decades just want to be able to do that. When i woke up this morning, on the front page of my local paper, the free press was the story of a 39yearold man who this morning, on Martin Luther king day, who has been here for 30 years, was at the airport being ripped from his family after he had never been convicted, not even a ticket, had paid his taxes, was a landscaper in lincoln park. There he was with his wife wailing, being ripped from his family. Really, really, is that what makes America Great . Is that what we are so afraid of, is somebody who has been a lawabiding citizen who just wants to be with his 12yearold son and his 15yearold daughter . Jorge garcia is an example of one of the 700,000 or 800,000 people who will be affected by this if there is not a deal. 15,000 people have lost their status i think thats the urgency of why they need to get something done, governor. Im glad you told that story. I need to bring ron in. The president is blaming democrats and the shutdown, says they refuse to negotiate on military budget, refusing to budge from the socalled d. R. E. A. M. Ers, a quote from him, the hundreds hundreds of thousands mentioned there. Do you see any way past this impasse . Sure. Certainly the events of the past couple of days make a deal tougher its not over . Its not over. There may be a shutdown, i dont think there should be, i dont think there will be already ultimately on daca, you have a republican president , President Trump, who ran on the most harsh antiimmigration language of any president weve had in modern times, who has said hes willing to sign a deal to legalize the status of Daca Recipients provided hes able to get funding for securing the bored exert like. The democrats should take that deal. They certainly should take that deal, because number one, they will achieve the policy goal which they say they want, number two, the democrats claim theyre for a secure border, then lets do that, properly fund a secure border, a wall where necessary, other enhance manies elsewhere, get that done. I think thats where the president is coming from and the democrats should take that deal. Do you see that, governor . I totally see that, but this shouldnt an twostep. First of all, youve got all of these people who are losing status every single day. So theres an urgency about the first part which is the daca deal. And the only bill thats available right now is this funding bill. So youve got 83 of americans who want to see daca resolved. 68 or Something Like that of republicans who want to see it resolved. So there you go, youve got democrats who want to see that happen, a lot of republicans, youve got republicans who want the funding bill, and a lot of democrats. Why cant those two happen first, then once the crisis is over, then you do a comprehensive bill which can include a lot of the things that you describe. I dont know why we have to shove all of this, 20 pounds of poop, into a fivepound bag. We can do it step by step. So listen, ron. I thought this was very important. I saw this. This is the head of the National Hispanic christian Leadership Conference issued a statement saying how, how about move forward on immigration . He said this, every Single Person is created in the image of god, without exception, therefore as it pertains to immigration, we must provide a legal avenue with no rigorous vetting that enables individuals with rigorous vetting i should say, that enables individuals from both norway and nigeria, from holland and haiti, to come to our nation if they embrace our values, commit to selfreliance, to enriching our collective american experience. Is that a sign of just how damaging these comments, these shole or shouse comments, have done . No, i think the larger issue here is that, at least from the republican side, is that theres no compassion in allowing to have an insecure border, to continue to perpetuate. We do not have a safe, secure, modern border. I live in san diego county, in the county i live in southern california, weve had an explosion of homelessness in that county and in california. Because of these meth labs, these super labs in mexico that are bringing drugs. The very same networks that bring Illegal Immigrants into the country are used to bring drugs into the country and money and guns back into mexico. You think a wall will fix that . Where its necessary. The california, arizona sectors, thats important to accomplish. Not far from where i live there are open section in the border hundreds of feet long if not thousands of feet long. Those should be closed. People would be shocked as to the current state of the border in that area. A wall is necessary in those sectors and other sectors, then technology and other barriers were speaking about a wall in mexico but were not talking about the comments the president made, thats different, he was not talking about mexico i assume but hes already said how he felt about mexicans. Certainly the comments that have been reported makes a deal more difficult on both sides. What senator durbin has said and the like what mike shields said is correct, by exacerbating this, you make a deal less likely, rather than putting that aside, putting policy first, getting the deal done. Governor, well continue the conversation. Thank you both. Dr. Kings son, Martin Luther king jr. Iii, compared President Trump to George Wallace today. And he said the president s heart can be changed. Is he right . Before the auditorium is booked and the press is notified, before the chairs are unstacked or the fancy snacks are set out, before the tech blogs make wild speculations and then other tech blogs contradict those with other, even cooler speculations, theres Something Else an underlying breakthrough that makes it all possible. At qualcomm, theres less fanfare and the only finger foods are from a vending machine. But we are leading the world to 5g, ushering in a new era of seamless interaction that will make the internet of things, the thing. 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In the wake of the firestorm over his vulgar comments about african dun trees President Trump continues to insist hes not a racist. Tim wise, the author of white like me. Cnn comment later marc lamont hill. Good to have you all on. Tim wise, the president is once again having to come out and say that hes not a racist. Take a look at this. Im not a racist. I am the least racist person you have ever interviewed. That i can tell you. So people who arent racist dont typically have to respond to questions about whether theyre a racist, right . This is sort of like the person who just got their seventh dui telling you that theyre not an alcoholic. I mean, there comes a point when someone shows you who they are, believe them. If they show you 25 times and you still dont believe that theres a problem, then the problem is actually with you, not them. Yeah, most of the time people dont have to be constantly on the defensive claiming theyre not racist. Its the kind of person who says, im not a racist because i have black friends. I dated an asian woman once. I have a dream catcher in my rearview mirror. My great grandmother was a cherokee princess. At some point the denials become evidence of the thing. And i think thats what we need to be looking at. There is a pattern of behavior. There are people who are not racist at their core who occasionally do racist stuff, just like there are guys who do sexist things who are not misogynist at their core. But donald trump has gone well beyond, on the issue of misogyny and on the issue of racism and white supremacy, and he shows himself every few days. Tip nina telly, George Wallace stood on the steps of the capitol and said, segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever. He was asked similar questions like this on met the press, 1968, watch this. Are you seeking support of racists . Well, of course i dont know what your definition of a racist is. But im certainly not a racist. Well. That could have been during the campaign when he said, no david duke, its similar. Theres a coda to that story, which is what happens a decade later when he admits, George Wallace admits he was a racist. Acknowledges the bigotry that motivated him in the 60s. And seeks forgiveness. In fact, when he died in the late 90s, john lewis of all people explained in the New York Times why he forgave George Wallace, because he believed George Wallace sought redemption. So the wallace story is a fabulous example of someone, a racist, who said he wasnt a racist, who later acknowledged he was a racist and then sought forgiveness. Marc, i want to add well, go on. What do you think of this . Then ill ask you a question. Well, first, Donald Trumps a racist, let me just get that out there, i think we can all understand and agree with that. To tims point, at some point the evidence becomes overwhelming and the only question is why people wont accept it. From his housing practices as a land lord, to things he said on the campaign trail, to his references to haiti and africa. Donald trump is unequivocally, indisputably racist. The only question is why we need him to confirm it. I think one difference between him and George Wallace, among other things, donald trump as narcissist. There will never be a moment where hell ask for forgiveness or acknowledge he ever was wrong on anything, much less the race question. The taken isnt so much in whether or not hell respond, the danger is how this plays out in Public Policy, how this affects the vulnerable. George wallace, listen to Martin Luther king iii, he compared George Wallace to President Trump. Watch this. We got to find a way to work on this mans heart. You see, think about it. George wallace was a staunch racist. And we worked on his heart. And ultimately, George Wallace transformed. So dont tell me we cant transform. Weve done it too many times. Were not working hard enough. So you say no, marc. Marc just said no because hes a narcissist. So marc, i know what you think. Tim wise, what do you think . Go, marc, all right. Real quick. Its not just that. I dont care about donald trump i apologize, sir. Theres a time delay. I said, i dont care about Donald Trumps heart. Its not why is it black peoples work or anybodys work to convert donald trump to not being a racist . Its not our labor, thats a labor expenditure we dont need. We should be trying to get food, clothing, shelter. I dont care it was Donald Trumps heart, he dont mean that much to mery my concern is jus did it. How do we create Public Policy that isnt informed by Donald Trumps racism, or the racism of the senate or the many u. S. President s that have called places shholes and used the n word in private quarters. Im not asking i have to stop asking whether hes a racist. I had the conversation with the nephew because he said he used a strange term about right. Sort of made yeah. Racially ignorant. Made excuses for it. Go on, tim wise. Its not the job of black and brown folks for sure or anyone concerned about justice to save Donald Trumps soul or his heart. If he wants to start working on that, he could resign tomorrow and get to work on it. We can get him all the best therapy in the world. Hes a billionaire, im sure he can pay for it himself. If not, ill chip in. We have to get busy. We have to get busy about the nations business. This is not about saving one man, just like it wasnt about saving george wall has. I think the issue here, this is a guy who says hes smarter than the smarters cpa, he knows Health Care Better than everyone, and remember George Wallace had to get shot before he had a turnaround. Im not advocating that, please do not send the secret service to my house. What im saying is it took a dramatic attack on George Wallace for him to begin to even have that change of heart. So i dont think that these things are remotely analogous. Donald trumps heart, Donald Trumps soul, is Donald Trumps problem. It doesnt need to be our problem as a nation, yet he has made it so. Timothy, were talking about George Wallace, lets talk about nixon. Youre an expert on all things president nixon. The comparisons, there are so many. Because everyone remembers these famous words. I welcome this kind of examination. Because people have got to know whether or not their president is a crook. Well, im not a crook. Ive earned everything ive got. So when you have to affirmatively say deny what everyone is asking you and is so obvious that you are, what does that usually mean . With Richard Nixon are, his tell was whenever he affirmed something in the negative, you knew he had done it. So im not a crook, you knew he was a crook. I wasnt involved in the coverup, he was involved in the coverup. I want to mention a point marc raised about the effective racism, racist thinking, on policy. Richard nixon was a racist. He was a scientific racist. He associated race with intelligence. Horrible science. He allowed that to shape some of his thinking about welfare policy. Racism, the racism of a president , matters on one level because we care about the character of our president. But on the highest level, it matters when it shapes policy. If Donald Trumps racism shapes our immigration policy, that is a disaster for this country. And thats for me what made the shole comment, what mattered to me about that was he said, we dont want people from there. Thats the racist comment. And that informs immigration reform, then we are not the same country anymore. Thank you all, i appreciate it. The pastor at a suburban washington, d. C. Church criticized President Trumps vulgar comments about immigration with Vice President mike pence sitting in the pew. Im going to talk to that pastor live next. If you can train oxford to sit. Sit you can train yourself to cook with less oil. Introducing new pam spray pump made with extra virgin olive oil. 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And three because there are members of this church who are from africa. Who are from haiti. They call me pastor. Whoever made such a statement, and whoever used such a visce l visceral, disrespectful, dehumanizing adjective to characterize the nations of africa, whoever, do you hear me church, whoever said it, is wrong. And they ought to be held accountable. Hm. Joining me now is dr. Maurice watson of the metropolitan baptist church. Pastor, thank you so much for joining us this evening, we appreciate it. Thanks for having me, its a pleasure to be here. The Vice President sitting right there, and his wife why did you do it . Don, it didnt have anything to do with the Vice President , it had to do with the fact that im a pastor. As a pastor, i have to speak up for my people. And the Vice President just happened to have been there. I can also say i wasnt trying to have a gotcha moment with the Vice President. I was just trying to be a good pastor. When i heard these kinds of visceral adjectives and what have you that were used to describe nations in africa and other statements about haiti, i felt that, in good conscience, as a pastor, that i needed to speak up on behalf of the people. So them being there did not influence you one bit, you would say it either way . Absolutely. I was going to make that statement whether the Vice President was there or not. What caused me to make that statement is as the news cycle of the last week went on and those statements began to become a part of front and center of the news cycle, i said to myself, i have to address this. I would have been derelict in my duty if i had not spoken out on behalf of the people. Could you see him . He was sitting right in front of you, right . Yes, he was right in front of me, but it really wasnt about him. We welcome the Vice President to our worship service. We were not trying to embarrass him. But at the same time, i wasnt running away from a moral issue. And as a pastor, i have to speak up and be a moral voice. The only reason i ask you, well move on, the reports are that, oh, the Vice President was redfaced and he seemed upset what have you. You never even looked at him . No, i did not. So whats going on, pastor . Whats happening . I just think that the rhetoric is over the top. And, you know, some things, don, are just out of bounds. When you start using adjectives to denigrate groups of people, thats just ow bouut of bounds. Especially for someone who holds the highest office in the land. That is beneath the dignity of that office. Some things are so reprehensible that you have to just call it what it is. And i think that many people are having are feeling that same way now, pastor. Absolutely. And i believe that there are pastors all over this country every week that are speaking out. I just happen to have spoken out at a time when some very important people were at church. But it really wasnt about them. It was about my caring for my congregation. And i wanted them to know that i would stand shoulder to shoulder with them. So those members who are you say from africa and haiti and some of those countries the president made that comment about, what do they say to you in the wake of the president s ugly words . I have heard overwhelming support. And they have thanked me and let me know how much they appreciated me for giving them a voice. So thats really all it was about. Should the president apologize for his remarks and would that be enough to convince people of color that hes not a racist . As i said in my statement on sunday, whoever said it, absolutely owes those nations an apology. They may or may not get that apology. But certainly i believe that he owes them that apology. So when these things happen, and sometimes they happen publicly, this happened behind closed doors, the president denies them, doubles down, his administration makes excuses for it, his representatives, so on and so forth. Can you help people understand what this is doing to the american people, and especially to members of your congregation . It is dividing the nation. It is tearing this nation apart. And a president of the United States should be a uniter, should be someone who pulls this country together. But that kind of rhetoric is not helpful. It is absolutely adding fuel to the fire. Express as a pastor how this makes people of color feel. It makes people of color feel dehumanized. It makes people of color feel that they are not that they dont matter. It is conspicuously interesting that many of the leadership of the gop are conspicuously quiet and silent. And their silence is complicit. And i think they need to speak up. 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Steve bannon scheduled to meet with them tomorrow. Other members of the Trump Campaign expected throughout the week. What more can you tell us . Thats right, steve bannon of course joined the Trump Campaign after the trump tower meeting in which donald trump jr. , Jared Kushner, Paul Manafort, met with the russians in june 2016 after donald trump jr. Was promised dirt on the clinton campaign. But as we now know, steve bannon had a lot of thoughts about that meeting. In Michael Wolffs book hes quoted as saying that meeting was treasonous, unpatriotic, even questioned the assertion of said that thencandidate trump had no knowledge of that meeting. Said there was a 0 chance that donald trump had no insight into exactly what happened. Well, the members of the committee are going to ask, how come youve made such a bold assertion in this book . Do you know about any of these contacts that occurred . Did you know about that meeting after the fact . What else did you know during the transition period, especially at the time Michael Flynn was having contacts with the russian ambassador, Sergei Kislyak . Expect all those questions to come up and expect also corey lewandowski, the day when he meets with the house intelligence committee, to be asked about contacts that he had with george papadopoulos, Foreign Policy adviser on the Trump Campaign who had contacts with russia and he lied about those contacts, papadopoulos lied to the fbi, now pleaded guilty to that. Lewandowski is going to be asked about those papadopoulos questions as well. Senior white house aide, the communications director, coming in, expected later this week, that could be the big event of the week before the house intelligence committee. Weve been expecting that to happen for a while. So many players here that you were talking about, high gomy g. The communications director, advisers, campaign people, folks who didnt make to it the white house. Just so much every day. I understand Paul Manafort, who ran the Trump Campaign at one point, also rick gates, are headed to Court Tomorrow morning. What do we know about that, manu . Yeah, thats right. In fact, this is going to be interesting. Because were going to learn a lot about the special counsels direction and the way hes thinking about pursuing this case when it goes to trial. We know that Robert Mueller wants to begin the trial on may 14th. Well see if the judge tomorrow says gives any indication whether or not they want to start the trial that day. But as part of the discovery process, bob muellers team has turned over hundreds of thousands of pages of documents and evidence to the defense, and they said about 2,200 pages of those documents are relevant. It will be interesting to hear about that process. What exactly they may focus on as they go forward in this case. Well also hear things about bail terms and the like for Paul Manafort and rick gates. An indication of sorts about where this case is headed and how the defense plans to push back against what bob mueller is bringing forward, all these charges that theyve brought forward late last year. Manu raju, thank you. Cnn legal analyst zik ankmi zeldin, thank you for coming in, appreciate it. Steve bannon is set to meet with the House Intel Committee tomorrow. What kind of questions will he face . I think in addition to what manu talked about, which was with respect to the treasonous meeting on june 9th, the other things that are of interest to me and would be i think of interest to the committee is, one, the cambridge anylitica, who dealt with wikileaks and was part of the Jared Kushner effort to target districts that were vulnerable to the trump message. Some think that was helped by russians. I think that is one aspect that will be covered. Then bannon said that the heart of this case, the heart of trumps culpability if you will, is money laundering. And i think that theyre going to want to know what does he mean by that . Remember, there is this financial crimes go s component what mueller is investigating. The president said he thinks that should be off limits. Mueller has shown no indication of heeding that. Because bannon said thats the heart of the matter, all roads run through that. I think that will take a lot of time with the committee with respect to bannon. Let me ask you about some bannon quotes. He was quoted making incendiary comments in Michael Wolffs book fire and fury, including calling donald trump jr. Treasonous. Are comments like that fair game for investigators . I think theyre going to want to understand what facts underlie his opinion. The context. Right. He can have a opinion that don jr. Is a bright bulb, a dim bulb, a treasonous fellow, a nontreasonous fellow. The question is, why . Whats the basis upon which you conclude that . With respect to the june 9th meeting and treason, he said, well, he meant to say it about manafort. Thats irrelevant, really, in some sense. Because hes calling that meeting treasonous. And hes saying theres no way in the world those russians, who came to the trump tower on june 9th, didnt meet with donald the candidate. Theyre going to want to explore that. That is going to be explored with hope hicks when she testifies. Theyre going to want to know, what did the president know about that meeting . Because he and she and don jr. Crafted a response when that meeting was revealed which was not truthful. So theres a lot of stuff going on around that treason, treasonous june 9th meeting, to use bannons words. Bannon, hes been in disgrace ever since fire and fury came out, lost the backing of the influential rich mercer family, no longer running breitbart. Could this testimony be a way for bannon to get revenge on trump . Well, its a good question. But i dont know that i know the answer to it. Which is, in some since, he was endeavoring it seems to get his revenge on trump by inviting wolff into the white house, then making all of those quotes. Now he seems to be trying to curry favor again. So what he will say and what motivates him to say it remains to be seen. The sad part about the congressional hearings is these witnesses are not coming in under subpoena. So they can refuse to answer questions, they can say, well, my conversation with the president on that is privileged, in the same way that don jr. Said it and sessions said it in his congressional testimony. And theres no opportunity to hold these people in contempt. Thats very different than when they appear before mueller. We know hope hicks has testified before mueller twice let me ask you about hope, quickly. Shes been with the trump family, has worked for him with the campaign, i think even before, a gate keeper. What will investigators hope to learn from her . The most important thing is this meeting on air force one where they concocted this story about what the june 9th meeting was about. The trump tower meeting. Which proved to be a lie. I think theyre going to want to know from her about communications between all people and trump. Because he has said, i didnt know anything about wikileaks, about the june 9th meeting, about collusion. But shes the gate keeper on communications. So she might be able to say, well, you know what, with respect to that, he did receive a call from flynn, he did receive a call from kushner, he did get an email from soandso. I think its that flow of communication from his outer circle into him and back that she has the most relevant testimony on. Michael sellden, thank you. A house of horrors in california. A familys 13 children held captive in their own home in filthy conditions. Some shackled to beds with chains and padlocks. The shocking story and the story of their escape next. Life happens. 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Stephanie, this is a terrible, horrific story. Youre in parerris, california. What can you tell us . Reporter theres still a lot of questions. It was in this house where what we understand a 17yearold was able to escape and she told authorities she and her 12 brothers and sisters were being held captive by their parents. When Police Responded to the home, they found the 12 siblings inside the home, ages 2 through 29. They said the children were so malnourished that the 17yearold, for example, they thought she was about 10 years old. When he know all the children including the seven adults of the children have been taken to medical centers for treatment. And as far as the couple, the parents here, david and louise, they have been arrested and are being held on bail of 9 million each in this case. I have to ask you, are we hearing from any of the people who interacted with this family . Were there any clues that something wasnt right here . Reporter right. Weve heard from the lawyer, because the couple did file for bankruptcy in 2011. Their lawyer saying they were, quote, nice people and spoke lovingly of their children. Cnn talked to the mother of david. She says theyre being misrepresented and they were a respectable family and they were protective of the kids, so much so they dressed all the children alike. And when they went on vacations, they would line up in age order with mom in front and dad in back. Stephanie, thank you. I appreciate it. I want to bring in art roderick. How can Something Like this happen without neighbors or anyone else knowing . Well, thats the big question i have. What do the neighbors know . This is a horrible and bizarre case. You have ages 2 to 29. I mean, i think they have to go all the way back to when the 29yearold was born and figure out what was going on with this family. I have found out that they did have a previous residence in texas. So Law Enforcement is going to have to go back and try to piece together this puzzle and figure out what was going on with this family. They also had the house, that Residential Home in that residential area classified as sort of a private school, educating ages one through 12. So the whole setup is very bizarre. You would think at some point that some Government Official would have come out and checked that particular private school to make sure the registration was correct. And the video youre looking at, i think theyre renewing their vows in 2013 in los angeles. The suspects are David Allen Terpin and his wife. They were charged with torture and child endangerment. What causes why do people do this . This is we cant even imagine this. I mean, normal people cant imagine the mind set of individuals like this. When i first heard about this case, the first thing i thought of was human trafficking. Human sex trafficking. That does not appear to be the of course, theres a lot of questions as stephanie mentioned. When youre keeping adults chained to a bed, what is that situation . Whats going on there . And how come at this particular point in time the 17yearold was actually able to escape. Theres a lot of questions here to be answered, and this case will be looked at and studied from purely a psychological basis. How do they approach this . Stephanie mentioned a bankruptcy. What will investigators be looking for first in the case . Theyll be looking for all of this, but theyll also be looking at what are the childrens physical and psychological conditions. So theyll be put in all these kids through psychological testing. You have annen fai infant. They appear to be malnourishema. I doubt they can make the bond a piece. Law enforcement has time to go back and check the boxes and go back 29 years and look at how this thing advanced to the point that it is right now. Art, thank you so much. 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