The place. And by the way, rocket man should have been handled a long time ago. And listen to what the president says about john mccains decision today to vote no on the gops lastditch effort to repeal obamacare. John mccain, if you look at his campaign, his last campaign, was all about repeal and replace, repeal ask replace. So he decided to do something different, and thats fine. And i say we still have a chance were going to do it eventually. Were going to do it eventually. Lets get right to cnns Kaitlyn Collins in huntsville, alabama for us tonight. He covered a lot of ground in his rally and were going to get to a lot of that in this show tonight. But what did the president spa about senator john mccains announcement . Well, we were expecting the president to take several swipes at john mccain after he announced today that he would not be supporting the Graham Cassidy bill. The president said that it actually came as a surprise to him because he was given a list of people to be worried about and that john mccain was not on that list. Listen to what the president said. They gave me a list of ten people that were absolutely nos. These are ten republican senators. Now, john mccains list [ crowd booing ] john mccains name was not on the list. So that was unexpected. Terrible. Repeal and replace, because john mccain, if you look at his last campaign was all about repeal and replace, repeal and replace. So although that the president what john mccain did today potentially dealt this fatal blow to another effort by the republicans to repeal and replace the Affordable Care act the president still soupded hopeful. In fact, he thinks that he can get senator rand paul of kentucky who has been a hard no on this bill the entire time, that he can get him to say yes. And the president said wouldnt it be ironic if he got rand paul to say yes while john mccain was saying no because he said that rand paul and john mccain dont like each other. But, yeah, he took several swipes at john mccain here tonight in huntsville. Is there any word on whether theyre going to continue their efforts to wrangle these votes . Hes saying he is, but have you heard anything from the white house. One person did tell our dan that what john mccain said today undeniably hurts their efforts to repeal obamacare. Theyre going to reach out to senators and try and move this thing forward. But its definitely not in a good place, don. Thank you very much. Now i want to bring in bob cusack. Hes the editor and chief in the hill, april ryen and kevin mad den. Happy friday. How are you guys . Hey, don. Bob, i april, wow, look at that. I like the glasses. Very nice. Bob, are you surprised that the president publicly went after senator john mccain . No. This is his tile. I am surprised that his supposed list of ten republican senators who could be a no that it didnt include john mccain. John mccain has been saying for the last couple days he is undecided. And of course, hes the one who killed the socalled skinny bill. So this thing is really on life support. Senator collins would have to vote yes. She may run for governor. I dont think shes going to be a yes. Murkowski voted no last time. I dont think they can get rand paul. And the clock is ticking, don, as you know. They have to get it done by september 30th. Even if he gets rand paul and he doesnt get the other two, what does that mean . If hes able to get rand paul but he cant get murkowski or collins, they dont get there. This is a numbers game and they dont have the numbers. John mccain in all likelihood killed healthcare reform, obamacare replacement again. This is the second time hes done it. I dont think anybody should be too surprised. Were not even getting a cbo score on this bill and john mccain was saying we need to do regular order, meaning deliberations and hearings. There have been no hearings on this bill. So dont be that surprised that john mccain is a no. He was a no last time. Well, youre reading my mind, kevin. That was my question to you. Should people be surprised . I mean, didnt john mccain say what he wanted from any efforts to alter the Healthcare System, he said it last time when he gave his speech in front of the senate . He said he wanted bipartisanship. He wanted people to Work Together. Should we be surprised . I am not surprised. And for exactly that reason. Senator mccain does believe that this needs to be a bill thats done with regular order and that something as big as reorganizing onesixth of the American Economy should have a broader swath of bipartisan support. And i expect that one of the reasons that he was not on that list that was given to the president was that john mccain is probably not somebody who is going to be swayed by just one phone call from the other end of pennsylvania avenue. I expect that the intel that the white house was probably getting and as well as some of the intel that folks up on the hill were getting was that john mccain was pretty dug in and that he believes that this is very steadfast in his belief that this needs to be a process thats bipartisan and done through regular order. April, i want to bring you in, but i want to hear more from the president and then well talk on the other side. Okay . John mccain came in and he went thumbs down at 3 00 in the morning. Everybody. I know so much, folks. I could tell you. It was sad. And we had a couple of other senators, but, you know, at least we knew where we stood there. That was like really a horrible thing. Honestly, that was a horrible, horrible thing that happened to the republican party. That was a horrible thing. Why is the president talking about the gop bill as if he had nothing to do with it. He signed it. He tried to get senators on board. He stride to pass it. Its his bill too. Its very much his bill. He doesnt want to let it go. Hes not going to let it go, you know. Even if all of this fails, hes going to continue and continue and continue and continue until he gets something. He does not like to lose. But really whats striking to me is how he continues to rail against senator mccain. We saw that during the campaign. We saw how he talked about, you know, when he doesnt like people who are caught, you know war heroes because he was captured. He likes people who werent captured, yeah. Yeah, who arent captured. And hes been railing on senator mccain ever since then. And even so now, senator mccain is someone who is fighting for his life but is very clear at this point that, you know, he is not going to vote something that we dont know the positives or the negatives with. And typically weve seen in the last couple of months, its not even been that long, every time they try to do this weve seen that people are cut. The least of these are hurt. You know, some issues that are on the table, you know, Mental Health and services for the opioid addiction, things of that nature. Medicaid. I mean, you know, what is it . Preexisting conditions. People who really need help are the ones who are hurt. So and you also have to remember this, don. Senator mccain is fighting for his life right now and he is able to pay for care sh but hes probably in the back of his mind saying i can do this, but others cant. And he is in a real situation. This is not, you know, im okay, im with the party. He sees the reality and life and death in his hands and in his face right now with this and others could be doing the same. So this is very real for him and for this president to keep railing against john mccain is something very interesting to me. Yeah. He probably could have gone further tonight and i think he, for this president , i think he may want to go i was surprised ive got to tell you, i was surprised he didnt. I think he realizes the risk in that, kevin. I was going to say for him he was reserved. But go on. Sorry to cut you off. He prides himself in being this counter puncher. He goes after people not only for their politics or how theyve disappointed him politically but personally. And he didnt do that and i think thats because he and others still believe theres a sliver of hope that they can find votes elsewhere and he doesnt want to distract away from that. Do you think they can . I think its a very, very tall order. I know that bob cusack knows the hill as well as anybody and the numbers game that he was describing before, yeah, the numbers game that he was describing before is very, very daunting challenge right now for folks on the hill. One more thing but you guys, its about go ahead, april. Well, its about the undecide ds and it is a numbers game. Im going to tell you earlier today i was about with 1,500 mostly africanamerican women at the cbc annual legislative week, the black womens agenda luncheon and when they heard that john mccain gave a no vote to this, they all stood up and applauded. I mean, they were rejoicing over senator mccain feeling there is hope and again its a numbers game. For these undecide z, if their constituents come out and really make a difference in numbers it really could make a difference whether this moves forward in any way shape or form either procedurally or by a vote. Here is the president speaking about his key Campaign Promise, the wall. Watch this. What i do best, i build. So i have a concrete wall and you have mexico. Wonderful, wonderful place. Mexico. And you have over here the united states. But you cant see anything. Right . So now they take drugs literally and they throw it a hundred pounds of drugs, they throw it over the wall. They have catapults, but they throw it over the wall and it lands and it hits somebody on the head. You dont even know theyre there. Believe it or not, this is the kind of stuff that happens. So the president spoke about the wall. He brought upbeating Hillary Clinton and winning the election. We heard lock her up chants. I mean, hes clearly still in campaign mode, bob, yet theres no legislative happening p. What do you make of this. Well, in this speech tonight he talked about all those things. He talked about nfl injuries. He talked about nfl ratings and theyre down because people are watching the news. And remember, this was a rally for senator strange of alabama, who is in a very difficult primary and is the underdog against roy moore and that race is next week. But this is what trump is. I mean, we saw this on the campaign trail, don, as you know, so many sometimes is that wide ranging speech. Hes talking about the wall. He says hes going to get it. But hes also willing to trade daca for the d. R. E. A. M. Ers for just border security. Thats not the wall. So hes saying hes going to get it, but unless he has, i think, 60 republicans in the senate, hes probably never going to get that wall, unless they change the filibuster rules, which is not going to happen anytime soon. Utoh. Strap yourselves in, especially april. Its going to be a long three and a half years. All rightment thank you youll. I appreciate it. When we come back, john mccains decision is john mccains decision to vote no the final nail in the coffin of Obamacare Repeal or can zombie trumpcare come back to life . 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Daniel dress ner, matt lewis, good evening. Good to have you all on on this friday. Dan, im going to start with you because this is an extraordinary legacy item for senator john mccain who had to weigh friendship and party loyalty. Whats your reaction . My reaction is that the surprising element of this is it is in fact his best friend nft Senate Lindsey Graham is a cosponsor of the bill. In some ways the objections he raised this time arent werent that fundamentally different from the elections he raised in july when he voted against skinny repeal. In some ways this was worse because at least that bill had some cbo scoring. This one, there was no cbo score. I think there was an attempt or a plan to schedule one hearing, but this was about as far from regular order as you can get, so its not surprising that mccain didnt change his mind. Listen, this is an extremely important matter, matt, but friends disagree all the time and remain friends. Family members disagree all the time and loved ones remain family members. But you said snore mccain had to say this because his legacy outweighed all else. Explain that. I think so. Lindsey graham and john mccain arent just friends. There are people who are friends who disagree. But Lindsey Graham and john mccain are almost always allies. Theyre almost always together. So this was odd, i think, but, you know, john mccain i think it would be interesting. Well never this. Its impossible to say, but john mccain, if he hadnt gotten that diagnosis, that health diagnosis, i dont know how he would have voted on this. Its impossible to say. But remember how it played out. He comes in sort of as the white night and kills the skinny repeal and lays the predicate why he couldnt vote for it because he wanted something bipartisan, because he wanted to return to regular order. The committee hearings, amendments, all that stuff. As dan was saying, i dont think how he could go from really being heroic and getting all of that aclaim and really a moment thats a legacy, maybe a swan song. I dont know if hes going to come back to the senate or not after this term. So is he had that legacy. He got all that attention and aclaim to completely do a 180 and vote for this now would have been it would have really undermined all of what he did last time which was very weird. Thats why its surprising. Remember we were all sitting here last time, remember the skinny repeal and we were all talking if anyone knows what the Healthcare System is like right now, its john mccain who is actually in the throws of it and hes dealing with it. Do you remember that conversation . Do you agree with that and its sort of basically what april ryen said, you know, last segment. Yeah. Well, you always have to remember that john mccain has always been the may have rick, right. Hes never been one to necessarily go along with what every wanted or he hasnt always been the most conservative senator on things. So i mean, i agree with matt in that with john mccain being so adamant about process before when the skinny bill went down that if thats still the same reason this time, i think thats valid. I said last night that, you know, not having a cbo score and not having the regular order of going through committee and working on trying to get more support for this is problematic. I mean, republicans were very critical of democrats when they would do this on certain things and ram things through. But the problem is theyre up against a hard deadline with september 30th, and reconciliation. Because after that they will not be able to pass anything without 60 votes, basically. And they dont have it. Theres 52 senators in the senate. So this is its a challenge. And this is what happens when the republicans p dont have a clear message and they dont have the support of the president staying on message. Hes add. Hes all over the place. I talked to my sources on capitol hill today, who told me that theres supposed to be a meeting on wednesday next week with the entire caucus, the whole gop, undisclosed location, but everyone had to cancel their Committee Meetings and Everything Else to be ready for this meeting wednesday morning supposedly to talk about tax reform now. Right. Theyre still in the middle of a Major Health Care fight. This has plagued the gop agenda from the beginning with trump because theyre all over the place. They cant stay focused. So what do you think . Do you think if it doesnt happen this time is it do you think its going to happen . I have my serious doubts, don. Im not confident that senator murkowski wont go the same way now especially since her governor has expressed his opposition to the bill, which is really unfortunate, because the bill has a lot of provisions that would actually make access to care i mean, you can say what you want about access to insurance and arguably that has declined precip to usel in recent years, but not just that, ak seg to care would be vastly better with this bill. If its such a great bill, then why rush it . If its really great, then there will be people from the other side of the aisle who may jump on board and say you know what . This is actually better this is a way improve the Healthcare System . There is a real ideological divide between the democratic minority in the senate and the republican votemajority. We have a few swing senators on both sides of the aisle, but not enough to constitute 60 votes to get the legislation to the floor for a vote. And thats the problem. And were running out of time because of the reconciliation mechanism. Now, i happen to agree with the president. I think theyre going to have to relinquish the filibuster if they really want to move forward. Okay. So when we come back, were going to talk about jimmy kimmel and what role hes playing in this. Has he become one of if not the leading voice on health care or at least the opposition to it. And were also going to hear from the Vice President. Well be right back. Stay with me, mr. Parker. When a critical patient is far from the hospital, the hospital must come to the patient. Stay with me, mr. Parker. The at t network is helping First Responders connect with medical teams in near real time. Stay with me, mr. Parker. Saving time when it matters most. Stay with me, mrs. Parker. Thats the power of and. If you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis,. Isnt it time to let the real you shine through . Maybe its time for Otezla Apremilast . Otezla is not an injection or a cream. 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To defy his party and the president to vote down republicans last ditch attempt to repeal obamacare. So what does this say about the fracture toured party and its agenda . Back with me now. So tar a, kmoodian jimmy kimmel played a big role. He tweeted today thank you senator john mccain for being a hero again and again and now again. What is his impact in all of this . Well, i think he certainly had an impact on Public Opinion without question. He has a platform. He relates to average americans that people that dont live, breathe politics like we do. The average american out there will take Jimmy Kimmels word because it comes from an authentic place for him. Im not saying that we should be taking healthcare policy advice from jimmy kimmel because he admitted hes not an expert on this and hes not. But he has a personal story that average americans can relate to given what happened with his son. So he can so it certainly has an impact. I dont know necessarily if its impacting senators. Perhaps. But i dont think so. Its affecting your constituents, it certainly impacts the lawmakers, the senators. Yeah. But i think not the same constituents with the lawmakers who are on the fence here. I dont think john mccains decision was based off of Jimmy Kimmels monday lotion the last couple of nights. You say he should not be the leading voice on health care. Why . Because he has indeed a very moving story, but in fact, if he actually were a serious student of healthcare policy, hed know that unfortunately because of the way in which the Affordable Care act works, Narrow Networks around the country have actually shut off access to a lot of specialized programs for children like his son. Now, no child, thank god, in this country should be going without lifesaving surgery, but that access has actually been limited by the Affordable Care act and would be enhanced by cassidy graham. But dont you think that he understands that obamacare is not perfect . Even the staunchest democrat will tell you obamacare is not perfect. It needs to be fixed, but they dont want to start all over. They dont want to repeal and replace. Jimmy kimmel was given this position by senator cassidy. The jimmy kimmel test. I know senator cassidy. Hes a model doctor and citizen, but he betrays his nonpolitical origins by giving jimmy kimmel this kind of ash tore ship over health care. He probably didnt realize and whoever his Communications Director is, senator cassidys Communications Director should be fired because they should never have allowed him to name it the jimmy kimmel test and not be prepared to properly defend his own bill on this. It made him look terrible and republicans fail on this messaging all the time. Its frustrating. Dan, youve been sitting by patiently. You write a very powerful column in the Washington Post about the jimmy kimmel effect. And the problem is not that comedians are aspiring to wade into public policy. The problem is that our policies have become so stupid and totalizing that comedians cant do their job properly without talking about it. Explain that. What do you mean by that . Well, i mean, as jimmy kimmel has delivered monday log after monday log attacking Graham Cassidy a fair number of conservative critics have come out and saying who is he to make these arguments. Hes a comedian. Hes not a policy wonk. Why is he doing this . But i believe as unanimous said, senator bill cassidy set him up for this when he declared that theres a jimmy kimmel test. And in some ways he actually had an obligation to respond to this bill. He said my name is on it. What am i not supposed to smond to it . Go on. Right. Exactly. So if he had said nothing, it is entirely possible people would have inferred he has no problem with this bill when clearly he does have a problem. It is interesting to note i believe there was a daily beast story that came out today that suggested in fact kimmels staff had actually been in contact with Chuck Schumers staff to get information about the nature of the bill so when he did deliver his monday logs he would actually be armed with some degree of facts. And i believe politifact rated some of his more recent monday logs and he did stretch the truth or exaggerated. I want to move on. I want to talk about the im sorry. Finish your thought. Sorry about that. No. That was all i was going to say. The Vice President today said if you arent voting to repeal obamacare, youre voting to save it. Watch this. A vote against Graham Cassidy is a vote to save obamacare. The republican majority in congress in particular was not elected to save obamacare. They were elected to repeal and replace it, and its time for every member of the republican majority to keep their word. Matt, is he right . Should republicans that are voting, not like rand paul and john mccain, should they be worried about backlash . Yeah, i think so. Look, i mean, i think senator mccain had very legitimate and defensible reasons for his vote against this. And it is also fair to say that republicans and ted cruz have been saying for years if you do this, its a vote for obamacare, right. But this time it actually is, because as weve discussed, reconciliation is going to expire on september 30th, and it really is a binary choice now. You either vote for Graham Cassidy or, look, it appears that we will have obamacare indefinitely. So i dont think that Vice President pence is exaggerating this time. I know. But what do you do when people like the Affordable Care act what they currently have which is obamacare, by the way, if youre watching, theyre the same thing, they like that befrt than Graham Cassidy . What do you do . Well, look, i think, you know, as a if youre a Public Servant and youre elected, now you have a serious question. Are you elected to represent, you know, Public Opinion or are you represented to do what you believe is in the best interest of your constituents. I think its never fg to be popular i thought you say Public Opinion or to keep a Campaign Promise because i would be on the side of Public Opinion more than to keep a campaign policy. The public is actually unclear on this. I think that anytime its coming if you want to change health care again, we just went through this, its always going to be unpopular. People dont you know, then dont want to go through that again, even if its an improvement. So people thaurs a lot of there are a lot of times that the public is against something. It doesnt mean that you shouldnt do it if its the right thing to do. Quick, i know you want to say something. Don, the public pressure is going to keep increasing, though, because 45 now of the counties across the country have only been insurer in the exchange. And premiums are on the rise yet again. More fuel for a bipartisan bill. Its a gigantic subsidy to the insurance coverage. Have a great weekend, every. Great conversation. My next guest says President Trump may deserve a word for huts pa. And were working together to do just that. Bringing you more great tasting beverages with less sugar or no sugar at all. Smaller portion sizes, clear calorie labels, and reminders to think balance. Because we know mom wants whats best. More beverage choices, smaller portions, less sugar. Balanceus. Org whfight back fastts, with tums smoothies. It starts dissolving the instant it touches your tongue. And neutralizes stomach acid at the source. Tum tum tum tum smoothies only from tums i was playing golf a couple days ago. Love golf. And my friend mentioned a tip a pro gave her. Did it help . 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I think it just makes the broird trump agenda that much more difficult to achieve when he loses what he was starting out with. Who do you think the president spoeng tonight. He spoke of the bill as if it was a republican bill and he had nothing to do with it. Is it the president s, is it congress . Is it the American People who have now come to like obamacare, the polls show that its more popular than Graham Cassidy. So whose fault is it . Well, i mean, ultimately all of it. When you have a republican president working with a Republican Congress and you cant get 50 votes in the senate to do something that theyve all been talking about for years, then something is wrong, i think, with that president ial leadership. But, i mean, you know, fundamentally there was something profoundly wrong with the bill which is that every Health Care Expert thought it was aweful and would harm the health of the american public. One of the things i fear is that now President Trump is going to try to undermine obamacare not through the legislative process so much but by not providing the cost sharing subsidies which would hugely undermine it by isnt that happening somewhat now . Especially with the rhetoric. And every time President Trump talks about how its going to die under its own weighted, you know, the image i think of is somebody who is stepping on the oxygen hose of the patient and saying, oh, look, the poor patient is dying. Its because youre stepping on the oxygen hose. And i hear people say that and if you actually read up on it and you look at the fact checks, its not collapsing under its own weight. Absolutely not. There are a number of different factors. Huge problems. It certainly has difficulties, but it has actually been stabilizing, but it does i mean, it does need some fixes. It does need those cost sharing subsidies. I wonder if there will ever be a bipartisan proposal. John mccain said i believe we can do better working together, republicans and democrats and have not yet really tried. Will there ever be a bipartisan proposal, do you think . There was a real effort in that direction and then it was put aside because of this effort to kill obamacare. You know, maybe that can be revived. I think there are some people on both sides who really do want to repair and improve obamacare. Lets move on, shall we . I want to talk about north korea, because at the u. N. G. A. This week President Trump calling kim jongun a rocket man on a Suicide Mission for himself and then in your oped in the New York Times you wrote the following. You said if there were an award for United Nations hutzpah, the competition would be tough, but the melds might go to trump for warning that if necessary we will have no choice but to totally destroy north korea. There were gachs in the hall, a forum for peace was used to threaten to anie late a nation of 25 million people. Your thoughts on the president s comments . I mean, it was not just tonalel wrong. It was counterproductive. The basic problem here is that we need diplomacy to defuse a situation and both President Trump and kim jongun are temper mentally inclined to react by escalating. So indeed that is what has happened. President trump made his comments and now kim jongun has made a remarkable statement, the first that anybody knows of in history of north korea in which the leader of north korea directly made a comment to a foreign head of state and i think, unfortunately, kind of painted himself in a corner which is going to make it harder for north korea to ever negotiate a deal on its nukes and its missiles. Im afraid its going to be a lot harder this coming week to negotiate some kind of peaceful outcome than it would have been a week ago. Thats why everyone always says take the high road when it comes to dealing with north korea. Speak softly and carry a big stick but dont shout and bluster in ways that just make it harder to antagonize allies and make it harder to achieve peace. Thank you. Good to be with you, don. Always good to see you. When we come back, President Trump calling facebooks russian related ads part of what he insists is the russian hoax. But who is really hyped those ads and how sophisticated were their efforts . Red lobster. And we went all out to bring you even more incredible shrimp and new flavors. Like new Nashville Hot shrimp, drizzled with sweet amber honey, and new grilled mediterranean shrimp finished with a savory blend of green onions, tomatoes, and herbs. Feeling hungry yet . Good, cause theres plenty more where these came from. Like garlic shrimp scampi, and other classics you love. As much as you want, however you want them. But hurry, endless shrimp wont be here long. [fbi agent] youre a brave man, your testimony will save lives. Mr. Stevens . This is your new name. 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Thank you so much. Were learning tonight that the department of humid security has informed as many as 2 is states that Russian Hackers targeted their election infrastructure ahead of the 2016 election. What were they trying to do and were they working with anyone to do it . Well, i will tell you, i was shocked to hear that news because frankly, we are getting close to elections. Here in illinois we have an election coming up in march and frankly, the washing could have come earlier to let states know that they needed to guard against another attack and investigate what had happened. But wernl one thing that we do know is given the search warrant that was executed at facebook, that cnn and others have reported about, there can be no doubt that a federal judge has determined that there is probable cause, in other words a good reason to believe, that a crime occurred on facebook. And there is evidence of that crime. And that crime would be a contribution to the election by a foreign individual. And so while the president seems very sure that russia had nothing to do with the election, i think, you know, unless he knows something that we dont, i think that the judge who is a neutral third party has a good idea of whats going on. So let me ask you, then, the president tonight in his rally you we know they certainly tried and the assessment from the entire intelligence community, thats the assessment. The president loved touting everything from wikileaks, hacks, on the campaign trail. Is he right . Theres no question the russians tried to influence the selecti selection. And to be very successful at it. Weve seen russia talked about every day in the news. Its clear President Trump has been hampered in his ability to function and congress has investigated this. The russian Covert Intelligence operation has been successful. Absolutely theres an effort by russia to manipulate the election and to try to undermine confidence in our electoral system. But is he right . That was my question. He said he got no help from the russians. Its unclear who the russians were trying to help. What they were surely trying to do is manipulate the election process and undermine our confidence and with that theyve been successful. Whether they were trying to help donald trump or not i dont think it matters all that much. What matters at the end of the day is they were successful in their effort and are continuing to be successful. We continue to talk about these things. Which look, we have to do because its part of the news. But they were successful in influencing our election system and undermining confidence. What about the story of the russiabacked facebook ads that facebook is turning over to investigators . Were seeing the tip of the iceberg. Do we know how sophisticated these efforts were . We really dont. Facebook has been really reticent about this. So far the only people that facebook has shared information with is special investigator Robert Mueller and just yesterday they announced theyll be sharing information with congress. That follows weekends weeks of Congress Asking for this information. The public is still largely in the dark about what these ads contained, about facebook even found them frankly. If we dont know how facebook was looking for these russian ads we cant know what else is out there. Facebook is not criminal investigators. This is not their area of expertise. And i think they really need to call in help, which it seems like they are doing now. Why do you think they were so reticent to turn it over and what do you think the push was . Its not a great look to be the biggest advertising platform on the platform and having sold ads to russian thats may have influenced the american election. Thats not a great look. So facebook doesnt really want to publicize that. I think it was a little out of their hands. This was the biggest story in the country and arguably the world right now and Robert Mueller is looking into this. And i think that it was very important, that these ads which are digital fingerprints that the russians left behind get into his hands for a proper investigation. You know, Jared Kushner touted that highly targeted facebook advertisements on facebook from the trump campaign, was very proud of it. And also, what did those ads look like . Hmm. Well talk about that after the break. I count on my dell Small Business advisor for tech advice. With one phone call, i get products that suit my needs and i get back to business. When you switch to progressive. Winds stirring. Too treacherous for a selfie. [ camera shutter clicks ] sure, ive taken discounts to new heights with safe driver and paperless billing. But the prize at the top is worth every last breath. Here we go. [ grunts ] got em. Ahh. Wait a minute. Whole wheat waffles . 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Back with me now, iss issie lip owsky, jameel jaffar, and renato ar yachti. We know Jared Kushner was very proud of the trump campaigns highly targeted use of facebook ads. Is that an angle you think investigators are pursuing . Absolutely. I think that mueller has gott gotten has executed the search warrant, hes gotten all this data. And what the search warrant shows is he is looking at foreigners who contributed to our election and the crime that he believes that theyve committed. So the next step is going to be for him to figure out which americans may have assisted in those efforts. What your viewers may not know is if you know that a crime is being committed and you do something tangibly to move that crime forward you are also guilty of that crime. Its called aiding and abetting. So if any american, whether its Jared Kushner or someone else, help the russians target their advertising, help them develop their advertising, help them conceal what they were doing, those people are also guilty of those claims. So i suspect that is going to be a major focus of the mueller investigation. We wanted to show our viewers what these ads looked like, what to look out for, what to keep an eye on for. But they havent been made public. Facebook has only handed them to investigators. Why is that . Facebook doesnt want the public to see the ugly truth i think is the answer. Their excuse is that they cannot divulge all these details about an ongoing investigation. However, they did say yesterday that they are going to be presenting congress with copies of these ads and some information about the ads and they trust that congress will do with it what it sees fit. I do want to point out that there are no ties so far between the trump digital operation and these russialinked ads. These ads that were purchased from russia were purchased by as far as we know a group called Internet Research agency, which is a known Propaganda Group that operates out of t. Petersburg. There are so far no ties between the Trump Digital Campaign that the kushners talked about and this russian group. So i think we have to be very careful about distinguishing between these two. But dont you think this is a real Inflection Point for facebook, how they handle this Going Forward . Because there could be a real backlash if its well, it go on. Im sorry, don. I was going to say i agree with you. And frankly, speaking as a lawyer, facebooks got very good lawyers and one thing those lawyers are telling facebook is when the Justice Department looks at theres any liability for facebook, which is something people have been asking me a lot about on twitter and ill be writing about soon, one of the factors that theyre going it look at is how cooperative facebook was, how cooperative they were with the government, how much they came forward. And so not only is there a pr component to it, which i agree is part of it. I also think that part of it is a legal component where being as cooperative as possible with authorities is the best way to ensure as little liability as possible for them. Jameel, ill give you the last word. Well, look, don, i think renatos right. I think its important the government and facebook Work Together on this effort. I think facebooks made some Good Progress in the last few days. What theyre going to do with congress to disclose the ads Going Forward. And so i think theres a real opportunity for the government and industry to work