The growing grassroots with rage against crank. Visceral and visible in town halls across america. One nation, under god [ yelling ] White House PressSecretary Sean Spicer explaining what the administration meefs is behind this. I think some people are clearly upset. There is a bit of professional protester base in there. Are you a political operative . Absolutely not. Im a nurse. Im a mom. I have never contacted my Congress Person before this. We met courtney in utah. Professional nurse but not a professional protester. After the election she founded a local group called utah indivisible. Did this at the town hall. It was so packed, police told us about a thousand people couldnt get inside. About those crowds . The white house calling the loud and small. But from utah to louisiana, we saw large passionate crowds with pointed questions. And so if i can finish [ yelling ] now now these constituents maintain they do recommend their district. In virginia wearing stickers, showing off their zip codes. Grandmother ann tucker formed indi 757. I think they are trying ill legitimize a powerful grassroots movement. The local groups are following thisvisible guide. Are you making any money on this . No. This is not a money venture. He just left his real job and he is yet to be paid. They wrote the guide shortly after the election. Posted it online and it became a viral sensation. He said republicans called them professional protesters at their own peril. It is sad they would make that claim without any evidence at all. These are their could be constituents. These are folks who feel really strongly. What they also feel very strongly about is what they heard from sean spicer, what they are hearing from the president. It is making it more heated, more passionate and making them want to continue to show up. Lets bring our Political Panel in. Mark preston joining us in los angeles. And trump supporter john phillips. And john thomas. Keeping in mind what we just heard from sean spicer, lets go back to august 2009. A young jake tapper asking about the tea party protests. The white house could not financial the anger that some are protesting is manufactured . I think some of it is, yes. I think youve had groups today, the conservatives for patients rights that have bragged about organizing and manufacturing that anger. A different time, a different white house but a remarkably similar response. A couple things. When we talk about the protests, first, are they paid protesters . Are they actually getting a monetary sum to show up and to protest the haums Holding Town Halls . No. Are they being organized in some ways. Yes, for instance, planned parenthood has been very active to helping drive out folks to the town halls torsion get them to protest on the issue of health care. The bottom line is this is how politics works. Does it matter if manned parenthood to get folks to show up when it comes to the issue of obamacare . I dont think it matters. I think that they are being paid does though. Probably liberal, by manned parenthood. Does that make it any hess powerful . Absolutely. What was different about the tea party is it brought new people on table. It provided democrats their margin of victory from the known 20s. To obama. When republicans started to peeft off, you look at the state legislatures, the congress. They started voting republican tickets up and down line. Youre not seeing that with these groups. You are seeing them being organized. And that doesnt provide wins for democrats. If they thought it was, they would be thoeg it with a. Are those people who have every he haver this was a woman who hadnt participated in any political process. Had never gone to an event. So there are new people sgooming the process. The reality is theres electricity on the ground. This is a ground swell. It is organic. It is smart for players like planned parenthood to capture whats on the ground. And the republican who from utah, he faced one of these town Hall Meetings two weeks ago. He did. He is not in jeopardy of losing his seat. No doubt they are outraged but theres also a lot of people outraged against obamacare in the last eight years. 78 wanted a change in direction and they voted for donald trump. The proof is in the pudding. Not so much the people coming up to the protests and the rallies. It is can donald trump show measurable improvement for those who dont go to the rallies . To you. Is this an issue if they dont address these issues . They could repeat the mistakes. They lost control of the house. We wont see a midterm now, a 84 and a half. Ier the problem could be, independents who did break f, i they see that the protests continuing. They start to see opposition to policies that republicans are putting in place. Quite frankly, if we cant get an obamacare plan or a similar type of plan that republicans have promised for many years, that will be problematic for republicans in the mid terms and i think for donald trump. Lets take a look at the numbers. 38 approve. Is there a risk now that hell just govern for his base to hold on to the supporters . The country is split 50 50. Donald trump never lit up the polls, as you mentioned, during the president ial campaign. In the same ballpark. What was interesting to me is, he had these sorts of numbers back then. And you had other republicans on the ballot in purple states, blue states. And what happened when we were told that Donald Trumps poor numbers or numbers that werent above 50 would kill Senate Candidates in places like pennsylvania and wisconsin . Those republicans won reelections in president ial years when they had no business winning reelection. Im not worried about it at all. A few hours ago we had the candidates vying to be the chair of the Democratic Committee right here on cnn. Heres a snippet of that debate. Donald trump has always done a number of things which legitimately raised the question of impeachment. The Democratic Party needs to take the fight to donald trump. When we lead with our values, when we lead with our conviction, thats how we succeed. What we have to do as a party is recognize that same struggle for belonging is true where youre an graen mom trying to make sure you wont be separated from your family, or a transgender kid in a high school who just needs to go to the bathroom like everybody else. Were all in this together. That has to be the message. We heard in the if i know about impeachment. With republicans controlling both houses, that wont happen. You have Keith Ellison who is largely flawed in the sense that he has antisemitic accusations against him. And perez was an advocate of tpp. Who is trying to distance himself. Whichever one is in charge of the dnc. Theyll have to devolve their message on an economic level. What direction is the Party Heading in. Well, the dnc recognizes the challenge. I think there were conversations about economic populism. The middle which is a. We need to concentrate moving forward as a party uxt about i think structurally it really moved away on how to rebuild the party. That was one of the Biggest Challenges and missed opportunities for the candidates, talking about that. Finally, the Trump Administration rolling back the transgender students. To use bathrooms which corresponded to their gender. Protests for transgender rights outside the white house. This issue apparently brought a lift with the new secretary and Jeff Sessions, the attorney general, pushing for it. Sources are telling cnn that betsy devos went to Jeff Sessions which led to a meeting between education secretary, the new attorney general Jeff Sessions, and president donald trump. Basically she was told that they needed to get on board. Her opposition was that she was concerned that it would appear they were rolling back protections given to students. And many activists saying that is what will happen. What we did see from the new education second that she released. We have a responsibility to protect every student in america and to make sure they have the freedom to learnna and thrive in a safe and trusted environment. This is a mandate. The white house is saying that the guidance that was put out by the Obama Administration on this issue last year legally did not stand up. They believe that this is a states right. Finally to you, how does this all mplay out . The larger thing is it shows how far weve come with gay rights. This is a president who came into office and spoke on 60 minutes and saying he wont try to change it. He is continuing the Obama Administrations executive order on protecting the rights of gays and lesbian whos do business with the government. The fact that this is where the debate is has shown great progress on this issue. Okay. Well leave it at that. We appreciate you all being with us. Thanks very much. Eu leaders are reportedly getting mixed messages from the white house and how that might impact future rehaitians. Well bring it to you next. With e trade you see things your way. You have access to the right information at the right moment. And when you filter out the noise, its easy to turn your vision into action. Its your trade. E trade. Only at t offers you all your live channels and dvr on your devices. Datafree. Entertainment. Your way. Only from at t. Tbut what if it didntm. Have to be . At blue apron, were building a better food system. Where we value quality and flavor over quantity and shelflife. 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How are these comments by steve bannon that europe is flawed playing out in germany . What has been the reaction . Well, certainly among lawmakers and diplomats here, it causes a lot of anxiety about the mixed messages theyre getting out of the white house. To be fair, this apparently was a meeting that happened between the german ambassador to the u. S. And steve bannon in the week before Vice President pence and others in the administration came on the european tour. In it, one of the diplomats described the meeting as being combative. In which bannon described this antieu world view where he wanted to deal with nations individually. This is clearly something that germany feels very strongly about. They feel eu is a pivotal part of the, of europe. And it is the sort of organization with which kind of binlds the security trade and political agreements through the continent here. So germany is in general, anxious about this. But on the other hand they were slightly reassured by Vice President pences comments in brussels as well. And we have heard as well, youre talking about mixed messages. But we have heard from President Trump saying that the eu, for germany, all these mixed messages comes at a crucial time in europe. We have brexit but also key elections in germany, france, as well as the netherlands. Does this hurt the chancellor at all . Well, i think it puts more pressure on angela merkel. Not only is she trying to be reelected but she is trying to rebuild the relationship with the administration. A lot of this may have been the germans trying to understand the world view, the philosophy. Theres been a lot of hand here but what exactly germany can do to try to improve that relationship. Who are not it will hurt her chances, i think it is too soon to say. Elections are not until semi. There has been a rise in that nationalism populism. So far it hasnt affected her own approval ratings, as much as you might expect in the upcoming elections. Atika there for us in berlin. Thank you. With more on this, we got this sort of dr. Jeckyl, mr. Hyde thing going on. Mike pence looks very much like the main stream politician. In fact, someone said it had a subl and a verb. Were not used to do. It is business as usual. Saying the eu is essentially flawed. This just heaves strong traditional allies who stood by the United States for many, many years. He was right. The left hand is not talking to the right hand. You have mike pence totally out of the loop. The chief strategist is saying something completely different from the Vice President. This is the second case where the Vice President was out of the loop. When it came to what was being told to the Vice President , he was left out of the loop of that. So it undermines the credibility of the white house. It does look like the Vice President is not part of this inner circle and many times it is a circle of two. Donald trump and steve bannon. I think you have to look at two dramatically different styles. Bannon and trump are one school of thought. Serving a nail and youre the hammer. Vice president pence is your classic politician in soft shoeing everything. I think a lot of is it a difference in approach. It may be a good cop bad cop. Having conversations. Right. Another cleanup. But the question is, is the president of mexico going to believe whatever research tilerson says . The president has these knee jerk reactions. He is the true shape shifter. Anyone who works for him. Some people have asked this question. Does the secretary of state speak for the president when it comes to Foreign Policy in donald trump has very definite views on foreign issues. You have to assume that he does. Im sure there will be differences. But he serves at the american of the president. You have to believe he speaks for the president. You have this madman theory. Keeping everybody on edge. Looking at one issue, unpredictability. In some cases, youre almost verging into schizophrenia. Were not on the verge of it. We are. He flips like 180 degrees every other day. This is a guy who said abortion should be a punishable offense and then flipped his position. He is alienating our closest allies saying germany is at the same level of russia as he approaches the presidency. And so i think the calculus is just mind boggling. This is going to be messy. He came in to tear up the establishment. Do you see long material consequences of this schizophrenic Foreign Policy . They say one thing, then something else. Rinse, wash repeat. He has his work cut out for him. There is concern that the president and steve bannon simply dont fresh role the European Union has been playing in the last 70 years when it come to keeping the peace. Not just for europe about you the rest of the world. Yes. We have the nato hyannis. And then youre dressing putin who has been a long timate adversary. He spent a spy boat and broke an international treaty. He is sending a cruise missile. All of this at a time when he is putting distance between our allies. Of course our nato allies. How to you explain it this. I think hes pen largely skin. There are some differences between be today net members but i think he is being successful in trying to renegotiate these deals for better deals. And he is stack strong with countries like really. I think he is getting more right than wrong. Just ahead, top officials meeting soon with the mexican president in a bid to get relations back on track. You know, geico can help you save money on your Homeowners Insurance too . Great geico can help insure our mountain chalet how long have we been sawing this log . Um, one hundred and fourteen years. Man i thought my arm would be a lot more jacked by now. 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Secretary of state Rex Tillerson and Homeland Security secretary john kelly wrifg a tall order for the first neighborly visit. Get the u. S. mexico relationship back on track. Mexico has threatened boycotts. President nieto canceled his trip to the white house last month amid the tensions and trump tweets about the border wall and who will pay for it. Today from the white house the relationship with mexico is phenomenal right now and i think theres an unbelievable and robust dialogue between our two nations. Reporter a mexican official says their side goes into these talks with President Trumps promises we will build the wall. Mexico will pay for the wall. Reporter a no go. The official stating, mexico will not pay for a wall. Also, with the new immigration order that could be hundreds of thousands or even millions of people deported mexico says it does have an obligation to take back its own nationals but not deportees from other places. And many have come through mexico from central america. Adding mexico needs to see the following. Respect for the relationship that has been billed over decades, acknowledgement that mexico is an enormously important trading partner. 1. 5 trillion in trade every day. And the u. S. Is lucky to have such a Good Neighbor in mexico. Such is the price of moving forward. After all the words going back to the campaign trail. Theyre bringing drugs, theyre bringing crime, theyre rapists. We have some bad hombres here and were going to get them out. He even used the phrase. Former obama dem of state said the strain between these neighbors or fences could take far more than this visit to heal. It is turbulent because of all the talk of a wall. And it is especiallyture blebl because of the executive orders. Thats a conversation mexico needs to be in on. Cnn, the state department. And now with more on the troubled u. S. mexico relationship. What are the options here for the Mexican Government as you see it, should it decide to push back . Well, that i think the mexico than government should push back. I think it should have pushed back before. Mexico has many bargaining chips in its relationship with the United States with which to respond to the Trump Administrations aggressive, unfriendly offensive attitude toward mexico. This is especially true now. Would you see the Mexican Federal government might join operations trargting drug traffickers or organized crime . That sort of thing . It certainly should. It should begin by saying that there is no way in the world that mexico will accept deportees that are not mexican, and that the United States is unable to prove they are mexican. The issue is not that they are mexican or not. The question is who carries the burden of proof . Thats the first point. Second, the United States should stop mexicos dirty work on our southern border and stopping Central American moneyers or. If they want to go to the United States, let them go. Let them through. And thirtly, we should obviously stop any kind of cooperation on drug enforcement. And even on terrorism issues if the United States and the Trump Administration tens to have this antimexican insulting attitude of signing and making public these guidelines, on the eve of the arrival of two high ranging str. Does as they pass through mexico on the way to the. They will be essentially dumped back into mexico. The Mexican Government said it will not accept them. How does that work . I dont know if youve ever crossed the border. There are check points, barriers. So the mexicans that the u. S. Deports come into mexico. Millions enter. All they have to do is identify themselves. We dont let them. So is this if i political incent dwrif trt press too body with . . President nieto is looking like a wimp, frankly. I think he is making a big mistake by trying cooperate at all quofts the United States. He shouldnt do so. Hopefully he will show some back bone during secretary of state tillerson and secretary of Homeland Security kellys visit to mexico today and tomorrow. Frankly, the people in mexico are getting more and more upset and outraged as the way president nieto is bending over backward, this is not playing well. Finally, i would like to say, the relationship with the u. S. And mexico is phenomenal nrgs his words. He went on to say there is an unbelievable and robust dialogue. Hes a great comedian. And i think he is probably funnier than his imitation on saturday night live. Im not sure he can follow mexico on the map. Ive been following the relations for 40 years and never in my lifetime have i seen a worse relationship. I was foreign minister, my father was foreign minister, my brother was Deputy Foreign minister. I think i know a little bit about this relationship. And i think the white house spokesman really does not know. 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It would look like North Koreans but we dont know. We dont know other than ship it somewhere else other than possibly cremate and it destroy it. It is another bizarre twist in a case that is boiling with intrigue. Malaysian police interviewing, she thought she was participating in a tv stunt when she rubbed something in his face was not true. These two ladies were training to swipe the deceased face to the four suspects would give, put the liquid on their hands. Theyre supposed to wipe it over his face. Th then. The prosecutors say kim jongun ordered the hit. Experts say the North Koreans have used this tactic before. The mean of delivering might differ but north korean agents are known for having used poison, liquid poison to assassinate defectors, and christian missionaries. In 2011, north korean spies were assassinated when they tried to help in seoul. It was a side a ball point pen. 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This happened last week. Representatives at ford havent confirmed he was the pilot. Federal aviation authorities are investigating. Katy perry is not shy about her politics. She campaigned and raised money for hillary clinton. Now shes taking her political message across the pond. Well, this is from katy perrys performance at wednesdays brit awards. Those giant skeletons are dressed bike President Trump and the british Prime Minister. Some people say theyre just puppets. For more on this, lets bring in max foster, andrew trundle. Max, you were meeting the staff at the red carpet. What were the highlights of the night . All the talk on the red carpet was about grime, which started in london. You had the big stars turning up. Ultimately it was a little mix versus stormsy sort of battle really. So pop versus this thing that was grown up in london. Little mix won that award. So this big manufactured pop band obviously doing incredibly well. My daughter is a huge supporter. I have to be careful about offending them here. But grime didnt win. Is it because this is a Music Industry event. They didnt create grime. Grime emerged in the streets of london, but it didnt transpire. A lot of news commentators feel this is getting a bit boring now. Theyre not recognizing grime properly. And its not just grime. Also i was reading that this awards was pretty boring opinion what was your take on that . Well, it was definitely an improvement on last yearly, after the brit so white foray. I feel that the inclusion of grime was to appease them. A lot of it is industry back slapping. Where if you boil down to it, grime created itself. When grime started to break, the radio didnt play approximatit. So i think the rest of Mainstream Media is trying to catch up. And grime, when you say brit so wide, they felt many people felt brits werent diverse enough. This year, much better . In terms of performance and representation at the ceremony, yes. But no grime winners, and its the dominant force in music right now. Max, some said it doesnt match the likes of the grammys that were pretty political in their tone. It was political . We bring up katy perry as performance. Some are interpreting that in a political way. What was your take . It was confirmed that was indeed donald trump and theresa may, but it really does look like them when you compare it to them meeting, wearing similar outfits. And all the white houses surrounding katy perry. One of them fell off the stage, which was a viral moment as well. She has called it an era of purposeful pop. So i think shes using visuals to give a message. And you know, its interesting, debating this last night, because theres been this debate in the media, should we be responding as the media when were criticized by the white house. Should the pop industry be responding. I think this is her response to that. Lets talk about one of the big winners of the night, david bowie. Yeah. Tell us about the awards he received and how he was really received on the night. He won best british album or best album, generally best album, and best british male, which some people might find strange because he died a week into the year. Ten days, in fact. Thats largely a reflection of how he still has an impact. It still doesnt feel like hes dead. Because when he released the next day, he didnt give a single interview to anyone. He still just cast this amazing shadow of dominating the media without being present and that really hasnt changed if you think about it. Was that the highlight of the night, would you say . Um the tributes being paid to him. I think last years tributes were far more moving. The George Michael moment was probably the most moving. The speech. The performance was a bit yeah. Coldplay. There theres a great line from david bowie someone said if he was here tonight, he wouldnt be here tonight. Because what . He doesnt support whats the like Living Artists would be getting the award. Thats why they didnt give him the Mercury Prize because he would have wanted someone active to win it. That was far more fitting of the time. Number one performance of the night . 1975. Just their amazing selffulfilling prophecy of them becoming the biggest band in the world. A show stopper. For your daughter . Little becks, for my daughter. Thank you very much, max foster. You have been watching cnn newsroom. Im i sa soares in london. The only grime we have is in the shower at home. Im john vause. Rosemary church picks up our coverage right after this. Only at t offers you all your live channels and dvr on your devices. Datafree. Entertainment. Your way. Only from at t. [ bell rings ] [ male announcer ] customink offers Custom Apparel that will help grow your business. 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