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Just kidding. Just kidding. And hillary was very gracious. She said if somehow she gets elected, she wants me to be without question either her ambassador to iraq or afghanist afghanistan. Its my choice. Donald, if at any time you dont like what im saying, feel free to stand up and shout wrong while im talking. You know, come to think of it, its amazing im up here after donald. I didnt think hed be okay with a peaceful transition of power. And donald, after listening to your speech, i will also enjoy listening to mike pence deny that you ever gave it. So jim acosta, how did they do . I think both candidates delivered some funny lines tonight, but, don, honestly, i think it was hard for people in that room to laugh because this has been such an awful campaign, and you know, we were standing outside this event but i feel like im getting frost bite from the ice in the room inside the event. You know, we were talking to a couple of people over hearing just the reactions from some of the attendees at tonights Al Smith Dinner. I overheard one man who getting into his car, said they must not like the event, this was supposed to delivering some sel selfdepricating jokes, perhaps a little bit riveting at the candidate, but these were biting attacks by Hillary Clinton and donald trump. It was a misreading of the event and a lot of the material fell flat because they despise each other. Its supposed to be tongue in cheek, and maybe not so political. There was also a moment trumps jokes didnt land, as well. How did that go over in the room . From all accounts inside the roo room, there was booing and groaning when donald trump said Hillary Clinton was pretending not to hate catholics. There wasnt even any laughter at that point. It was sort of this uncomfortable silence broken by boos and groaning. I cant recall having reported on some of these dinners over the years, you know, this kind of reaction happening inside one of these Al Smith Dinners and i think it is another example how vicious this am Capain Seascamps become on a night theyre supposed to kick back, enjoy themselves, perhaps lighten up a little bit. They went for the jugular. Both candidates did and frankly its kind of shameful. I remember covering the Al Smith Dinner since the 90s, and i dont remember anyone ever getting booed. But they did shake they did shake hands at the end, right . Thats right. They did shake hands, although somebodys going to have to rerack the video on this, because it was a little bit difficult to make out, although al smith iv did report Cardinal Dolan was able to get both of these candidates to shake hands so something that did not happen at last nights debate, there were people joking on twitter that perhaps he should win some sort of peace prize for making this happen, don. Its kind of amazing, you know, this campaign, tonight with these rich new yorkers, going in with their top hats and tails, and crystallize the ugliness of what has been an Ugly Campaign season. But jim was right. That room was the Hillary Clinton room. New york, manhattan is shes the senator here, too. Liberal. New york city is not a republican haven. There are some. Ive been hearing from a lot of Trump Supporters on the streets. I want to play this. This is something that stood out to brianna keiler. People look at the Statue Of Liberty and they see a proud symbol of a beacon of hope for people around the world. Donald looks at the Statue Of Liberty and seeing a four. Maybe a 5 if she loses the torch and tablet and changes her hair. Come to think of it, do you know what would be a good number for a woman . 45. But i digress. So brianna . I thought it was a good joke. It was probably the most clever jock becau joke because it had that sort of after burn, where she said thats right, she kind of looks like a four so that connects to you donald trump rating women, which is something that is in one of Hillary Clintons ads. But its also really stinging. You know, and if this had sort of been one joke, positioned among many, then maybe it would have been more appropriate for the evening, but i think when you look overall at what we saw, its a little this is a dinner that is supposed to happen at a point in time in this election, this hardfought election. Its supposed to be a little bit of a little bit of levity. Theyre selfdepricat busineing. Its like this giant wet blanket, even on this night, which is to benefit children through a religious charity, it gets kind of weighed down. Mark, lets play more and ill get to you weigh in. One of the things i noticed tonight, and ive known hillary for a long time, is this is the First Time Ever ever, that hillary is sitting down and speaking to Major Corporate leaders and not getting paid for it. Its true. Its true. True. You know, last night, i called hillary a nasty woman, but this stuff is all relative after listening to hillary rattle on, and on, and on. I dont think so badly of Rosie Odonnell anymore. In fact, im actually starting to like rosie a lot. What did you think of their timing . I actually thought the president and mitt romney had better comedic timing than they did. To briannas point, the first part of that joke worked. The second part was very, very biting. Hillary clinton eye can i can believe im saying this but Hillary Clinton did a very good job in laughing and knowing the camera was going to be on her throughout the whole speech. He read directly off a paper, as she did, but she looked up and worked the room and looked more engaged but her stuff was very political, was very super plit ka political. She talked about climate change, about building bridges, not walls. She said the greatest monument is not about what we build, but who we touch. She weaved that all throughout her speech. Is it so political or just the delivery of it . Its supposed to be i think you were supposed to start and be as selfdepricating, and then you sort of draw them in. I think brianna said it best, when 2016 is ruining everything in its wake, you know, we have the Al Smith Dinner that is supposed to be about colleaguity, and charity, and they left a chill in the room and that was why it Didnt Go Over so well, and you know, these things like we shouldnt make too much of these because these are essentially political junk food for us, you know, we can eat it and have fun right now, but we cant really live on it. I think the good thing for donald trump is that not many people watch this lie. They didnt see the entire thing. They wont hear the boos and see how awkward it was in real time, and instead they will see these sound bites where he did deliver a guideline or two. But overall, i think so many people in that room were probably really let down by i could the performance that he delivered tonight. Yeah, this was tonight. Bombom, bom. Debbie downer. You said people wont see it live and hear the boos. Well play that next. Be right back. This just in, wendys announces a new swiss jr. Bacon cheeseburger as an option with the 4 for 4 for a limited time. With 4 nuggets, fries and a drink for just 4 the swiss jr. Bacon cheeseburger. Now back to america. And now. Im in bristol, inia. Tennessee. On this side of the road is virginia. And on this side its tennessee. No matter which state in the country you live in, you could save hundreds on Car Insurance by switching to geico. Look, im in virginia. Im in tennessee. Virginia. Tennessee. And now im in virginessee. See how much you could save on Car Insurance. Or am i in tennaginia . Hmmm. If somebody you havent noticed, hillary isnt laughing as much, and to all of the jokes, were given to her in advance of the dinner by donna brazil, which is everyone knows, of course so kevin, that was painful. And the reason were talking about this, this was at 2012, this was your candidate, mitt romney, and president barack obama look at them laughing at each other. That was not the spirit of the dinner tonight and the boos that wasnt a good moment. Right, i think the first one about hating catholics, that was a failure to read the room. People enjoy comedy, but they dont they know theres line and with that joke, it stepped over the line and it was no longer gracious or selfdeputy dep deprecating. This was a big part why donald trump was getting some boos tonight. On poor performance, he didnt have a sense of humor, and governor romney, in 2012, you may not know this, but he was a very funny guy. He was funny. He loved working on the jokes, some of them were too corny but a lot of them umbrere brought out the type of sense of humor. Donald trump doesnt look like he has much of a sense of humor. No. And the room felt it. Brianna keilar is so in love with the Statue Of Liberty. I am. I had to explain it actually, there was a four, do you see, the torch, the arm, its actually physically a four. And she puts it down, shes a five. Thats cleaver. The downgrading of her taking the torch and the coutrimon away. Its funny at first and has an after burn, thats why i like it. You did like this joke about melania trump, watch this. Michelle obama gives a speech and everyone loves it, its fantastic. They think shes absolutely great. My wife melania, gives the exact same speech and people get on her case. And i dont get it. I dont know why. [ applause ] and it wasnt her fault. Stand up, melania, come on. Now, that was funny. Thats what it should have been like, right . I yeah. Yes it was, and theres human side to it and she was laughing and quite frankly, it was trying to close the chapter on a book by the way that had been put on the bookshelf a long time ago, but she was put in a very bad position. Moving on, lets talk about the last time they were on stage together. A key moment was donald trump refused say whether hell accept the Election Results telling everyone he wants to keep people in suspense. Trump addressed that today, watch this. I would like to promise and pledge to all of my voters and supporters, and to all of the people of the United States that i will totally accept the results of this great and historic president ial election if i win. So mark is he digging himself a deeper hole . Yes. Yes, i mean yes. We have republicans coming out and condemning him for saying this and talking about the sanctity of our democracy. He was given ample time to come out and say, yes, i will, and he couldnt do it, and this morning, as we saw in in this rally, he doubles down on it. And he jokes about it, which may have been a better joke than he delivered tonight, but president barack obama saying thats nothing to joke about. He had his surrogates trying to clean up for him, and he finally said ill accept it as long as there are no problems. Of course there are problems everybody want would want to investigate it. Donald trump is being donald trump, and thats why donald trump is losing. Kevin madden, did donald trump hand democrats a gift on this one . He did. He took something that was probably his worst moment in last nights debate and all he did was shine a bigger light on it it. In that crucial 48 hours it gives you a chance to clean up some of the worst parts it and he lost those 48 hours now because here we are talking about it once again about undermine potentially undermining democracy and now sending house and Senate Candidates across the country are now forced to litigate it that. Becomes extremely problematic, especially, don, when you have 18 days left. Every day is precious, so to spend that much time talking about something that is not key to his message to voters, is extremely problematic. I want to and you about this, because i asked you if hes giving democrats a gift. Some republicans are trying to distance themselves on this. You said we could see more republicans distance themselves from trump y , why is that . If youre running for senate and this is a very close race and you have a potential to win, the last thing you want for that race to be undermined by charges that it was rigged, particularly if you win or if you come out ahead. So many of these candidates right now that have broken away from the top of the ticket, and are trying to personalize and localize their race across the country, theyve done so and they are actually running ahead of donald trump right now. So, thats going to be come something that could potentially be a flash point for a lot of these races across the country. Brianna, i have to and you about this swipe at Hillary Clinton, a nasty woman, how is that playing out today . I would like to see the polls. Also, she was talking about taxes and she talked about how he was trying to evade them, but it wasnt a personal jab so it wascapsulating. Thank you, i appreciate it. When we come back, First Lady Michelle Obama Blistering Takedown on donald trump, and why she says he threatens the very idea of america. Healthy, free, the world before me, the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose. The east and the west are mine. The north and the south are mine. All seems beautiful to me. The author of electile disfunction, for unaroused voters. And cnn president ial historical, thank you guys, how are you . Did you get any rest after the debate . Raring to go. Its really coming down to the wire. So donald trump defended his rigged election stance today, listen to this. If al gore or George Bushed agreed three weeks before the election to concede the results and waive their right to a legal challenge, or a recount, then there would be no Supreme Court case and no bore, Bush Versus Gore and gore versus bush. Im being asked to waive centuries of legal precedent designed to protect the voters. Allen, you would know a lot about that because youre involved in bush v. Gore. Thats right. So is trump on solid ground here . Of course not. Clearly what happened there is that it was a recount. Bush versus gore, not gore versus bush. There were lawsuits filed by both of them. Thats a legitimate challenge, everybody understands that. Trump is talking to two audiences. To his audience, to his group, hes saying i will not accept the election because don lemon, its rigged. He says to the media, i wasnt talking about that only if theres legal challenge. Hes talking to two different constituencies. And watching this last night and this morning, and the surrogates and the Campaign People and theyre like doing cartwheels and back flips, im like what are they talking about. Thats a whole lot of spinning going on, douglas brinkley. A lot of people are comparing this to the bush episode. Absolutely not. Its crazy for donald trump to be talking like that. I mean, al gore did something you know, actually al gore conceded to george w. Bush then found out the florida problem, held back a little and then there was a recount, and he very graciously didnt really ball game heroic al gore the way he accepted the Supreme Court decision. So trumps mixing apples and oranges here and i have no idea why he thinks this rigged argument is going to help him win the presidency, but hes embarrassing our country internationally. Free and fair electionins are o bread and butter and donald trump is saying we dont know how to do them. Mr. Gergin why are they saying this . Donald trump is not trying to win the election, hes trying to not lose and hes trying to set up an excuse for when he loses. I think his campaign feels hes preparing the ground to tell people its Illjitima Texas she ought to be in the jailhouse interview, not the white house, and that creates conditions where it makes it very difficult for republicans to cooperate across the aisle, youre cooperating with this criminaltype figure and encourages people to think maybe we ought to take her out and weve heard that from Trump Supporters. Thats an extraordinarily dangerous situation and it is debasing our democracy and institutions in which we dont need any of this. All of our institutions are in trouble already and if you think elections are all rigged then were not a nation any more at that point. Were just a group of people fighting with each other. Im sitting here listening to you guys who have been around. Im an older person, im a man of a certain age, but you guys have been around longer than i have, and listening to the severity of what youre saying, david gergen. We have a historian, an attorney. Every Single Person is saying there is no merit to any of this. I dont understand why his supporters believe it and why he continues to do it, and then he pushes back and says, its the liberal media. No, its not. Its the truth. Uhhuh. And at the same time, in the debate debate, he says she shouldnt be allowed to run and the Al Smith Dinner he jokes about pardoning her. He was at the verge himself being indicted over Trump University and theres case where he might very well if he werent running for president end up being indicted and hes trying to challenge the president of the United States, when she becomes president , he will do to her what he tried to do to barack obama, when he tried to challenge obamas legitimacy for not having been born in the United States. Speaking of the obamas, let me play this because i want you to respond. First douglas, this is the first lady on donald trump. We are fortune to live in a country where the Voters Decide our elections. The Voters Decide who wins and loses, period, end of story, and when a president ial candidate threatens to ignore our voices and reject the outcome of this election, he is threatening the very idea of america itself. Douglas, the very idea of america itself . I agree with her completely. I just think the first lady had to endure donald trump saying that her husband is an illegitimate president , that he wasnt born in the United States. She had to live through all the birther b. S. And now theyre having to deal with the fact that Hillary Clinton wins, Donald Trumps going to say shes a phony president , too. Hillary clinton is very blessed to have surrogates like barack obama and michelle obama. Michelle went to arizona. The president went to florida today. She could take part of the day off, prepare for the Al Smith Dinner and they hit it out of the park. Two of their best political speeches and endorsement of Hillary Clinton ive heard and they both happened this afternoon. There are other republicans who are speaking out, as well, including john mccain, david gergen will weigh in after the break and the rest of the panel. Well be back. Repeat everyone back to bed my new snoozapalooza is in full effect that means late breakfast Checkout Til Noon so sleep in baby haha snoozapalooza is gonna be great definitely what . definitely definitely high fives all around youre eating, okay. Late breakfast Checkout Til Noon. Just what your weekend needs. Elected by who went through an election and that would set up a tradition weve had ever since. If you want to hold the society, one of the virtues of a transfer of power after an election, and people move on and donald trump is coming along and trying to over throw that tradition or at least threatening that trade skpi tradeition. I have to work at it and keep working at it and when someone says burn the whole thing down i think its going to be pence. If trump says anything that stem ladi stimulates their base, pence is going to disassociate himself, and say this was a legitimate man, because he seeing his future is not being associated with Donald Trumps effort to stimulate and stir up the masses against the elected president. Do you remember john mccain was on the losing side of this issue and heres what he had to say today. He said i didnt like the outcome of the 2008 election but i had a duty to concede and i did so without reluctance. A Concession Isnt An Exercise of graciousness, it is an act of will for the American People s. That what were talking about, the disrespecting the American People . Absolutely and David Ger Gwen said it very eloquently, thats what we admire about george washington, the ability to step down. We have to hand the baton to the next president. We put the Party Squabels behind us. A man named Charles Johnson was the secretary of the Continental Congress and it got so vicious between jefferson and adams he deeply worried that our democracy couldnt survive if We Couldnt Pull Together And Legitimatize the president , otherwise we would just be in constant war mode, and was in deep distraught when you have party systems. Weve done a good job at pulling together. Franklin roosevelt could run in the middle of world war ii, with his opponent, and Work Together. We can go all along through history. This is different what donald trump is doing, its sinister, it reeks of joe mccarthy and it cant be stamped out enough by people that have access to the Public Airways like we all do. But were paying a lot of attention to this. Are we putting too much attention on it or is it as the president said, this is not to be joked about . This is not to be joked about, because people can get out on the streets and he cant control his base, once he lets that tiger out the tank, he cant put it back in. I want to read this. This is a note from george hw bush. Heres what it says. It says you will be our president when you read this note. I wish you well, i wish your family well. Your success now is our countrys success, i am rooting hard for you. This account be any more different than what were seeing right now, and this is the way its supposed to be, correct . Now, we we and are they even going to shake hands . Its like a news story when they shake hands, are you kid something. And when youre saying this is so different, i think Brianna Keilar and mark preston said its the wet blanket of the 2016 campaign. This is both candidates jokes that kind of did not go over so well. They say donald has no policies, he has no policies, i keep hearing that. Id like to defend him on this. Donald has issues, serious issues, really, really serious issues. Im told hillary went to confession before tonights event, but the priest was having a hard time when he asked her about her sins and she said she couldnt remember 39 times. Meh. Hillary is so corrupt she got kicked off the Watergate Commission [ Audience Booing ] how corrupt do you have to be to get kicked off the Watergate Commission . Okay. So i take that back, the issue seemed less funny. The second part, lets just be honest, douglas, was that funny . No, it was just not that fell flat there. It just wasnt a wellwritten speech and donald trump isnt that particularly good at delivering those kind of speeches. He should some good zingers, some fair play tonight and there was the handshake this evening. Yeah. But the lack of civility and the kind of sharky feel one had, its just is a kind of a wet blanket and you feel the public is saying lets put the get rid of this 2016 election, pull the plug as far as we can, how much more of this do we have to endure. Yeah, and i was watching them when they were laughing, i said, finally theyre laughing. Theyre being sort of comrades because they know at the end of the day, one of thems going to be president and theyre going to have to accept it. But then he says this thing that tonight shes pretending not to hate catholics, that wasnt funny at all and he has a catholic running mate that she has a catholic running mate that trump has been mexicans and catholics, it just was a wrong tone for this kind of event and brought on the worst in him and he got appropriately booed. Perhaps im just showing my biases but i thought there was a real difference. I did not think there was equivalence. Donald trump was booed for the first time in anybodys memory at one of these dinners because of the harshness of his jokes. That we can remember. It could have happened before. Everyone weve talked to for the last 15 years doesnt remember booing. He came in and didnt seem to be the difference between being lighthearted and heavy handed and he kept being heavy handed and i think it was like we were continuing in the spirit of the debate last night as opposed to coming in a different event. I thought some of her jokes didnt work very well, she was flat, but some of her jokes were more appealing. The reason of this matter is these events give you an insight into the character and the penal personality of the person who may be president. If you can do it well as kennedy did, as reagan did, and lincoln did, it makes a big difference in your capacity. Im glad youre being honest, especially when you talk about the false equivalency. If donald trump did really poorly tonight you have to point out i thought she was funnier, and at least more in the spirit of what the begdinne was about. And she soluted the al smith, who was the happy warrior. You heard what they said at last nights debate, but their Body Language tells you what it really meant, annen expert weighs in next. Th, time is life. We have 18,000 people around the world. The microsoft cloud helps our entire staff stay connected and Work Together in real time to help those that need it. The ability to collaborate changes how we work. What we do together changes how we live. There goes my sensitive bladder. Sound familiar . Then youll love this. Incredible protection in a pad this thin. I didnt think it would work, but it does. Its called always discreet watch this. This super absorbent core turns liquid to gel, for Incredible Protection thats surprisingly thin. So i know im wearing it, but no one else will. Always discreet for bladder leaks donald trump and Hillary Clintons final debate was definitely no holds bar, but their Body Language tells you what they were really thinking, so here to tell you is chris erlich, lead instructor at the Body Language institute. This means youre ready to go, youre in a sprinters pose. Before we talk about last night on the debate stage, lets talk about tonight and the Al Smith Dinner because there were some uncomfortable moments, some awkward moments. What did you make of their Body Language . Even when they come into the room, a lot of times werent even facing each other. A lot of times they were giving each other their backs most of the time and were kind of buffeted by Cardinal Dolan a lot so they were able to engage the room without having to deal with each other, but in a very awkward stance they danced around each other for the encounter. Lets look at Hillary Clinton as she was speaking. What do you think . With hillary, when shes watching here, when trump was up there, there were moments he said some stuff where he he says some stuff which people laugh. At times she keeps putting her head up. This is a dominance move, people will let you know whatever youre saying is rolling right o off, at not affecting me. Do we have her speaking . Do we have video of Hillary Clinton speaking so we can look at that . Okay this is her reaction. Right. All right. So what about trump . In terms of him watching or in terms of him watching. He never really faces her. He knows the cameras are on him so hes also smiling at times and loose and relaxing. And at some parts with his arms folded. When he crossings his arms this can be read as were shutting down or closing down, it also can be that were thinking something through or look at that. Hes smiling. Right. Why cant he both of them smile more instead of being so this is a great point. We were just chatting. We have a mirror neurons. There is a nice donald trump smiling, right . Yes. So when hes up there making jokes and some of his jokes like the melania joke, we all laugh or start to relax, but then some of hillarys more cutting jokes we saw actually flash surprise and get tense. Mirror neurons from people watching we start to behave and the tension goes up. Because everyone is there for them in this moment, right, when shes smiling and hes smiling the audience relaxes. Theyre watching them and they think its funny. Also Cardinal Dolan its a much more relaxed setting. What about when hes intense and serious . When he gets intense, that tension fills the room and its a very tense setting where the watchers, as well as the people delivering the lines are both feeling that anxiety. Look at the guy theres guy behind him on the right. Hes the one i saw. I remember it. He flashes at a certain point in one of these jokes there hes laughing back, but theres one point in here where we see him where when mr. Trump delivers a little more of a serious joke, he does his eyebrows go up in this sort of serious tone here. Okay. Lets go to last night. Lets get back to last night when they both walk in. Yes. Whats happening at that moment, because theres no handshake . You know, what we see here its not what we dont see, if you take it from the first debate, theyre both meeting each other but not here. They wont get near each and other they keep a public distance, lack of any kind of acknowledgement of each other period. Weve gone from cordial, civility, to nothing. Her campaign put out a statement or said something eye heard Brianna Keilar saying earlier they didnt shake hands because her Campaign Said enough is enough. Could be. But the perception is what were talking about. So when we look at them and we see that perception, it comes across as ewe, it feeds the narrative, theyre at that point of disgust, destain. This is what donald trump had to say about mosul. Well take mosul. Much tougher than they thought. Much more tougher, going to be more deaths than we thought but the leaders we wanted to get are all gone because theyre all smart. They said what do we need this for, so mosul is going to be a wonderful thing and iran should write us a letter of thank you, just like the really stupid the stupidest deal of all time. Yes. Has to be a Body Language to read her eyes. She was just watching. Hes keeping a very tight poker face, just like destain and shock. She knows cameras are on her. What is her her eyes are giving . We can read from it, the perception, and the thing is shes not following or digging anything that hes saying. We see less of a smile. This is not one of those moments she breaks a smile. She keeps a stone face, because its a serious matter. This is one moment last night according to social media that defined the night, watch this. My Social Security payroll contribution will go up, as well donalds, assuming he cant figure out how to get out of it, but what we want to do is to replenish such a nasty woman the social Skurecurity Trus Fund by making sure we have sufficient resources. Whats interesting to me, the comment came out of nowhere, but she did not even flinch. No no, on top of it, a lot of times he would interrupt over the series of these debates she never stopped. For him in that particular moment coming out and using that line, shes definitely under his skin in that moment. He gave up his power . She keeps the power because she doesnt stop and listen to it but he gets more serious and leans forward and uses that expression. He rolls his eyes, illustrator of disgust. More from tonights Al Smith Dinner at new yorks waldor waldorf astoria. When a moment turns romantic, why pause to take a pill . Or stop to find a bathroom . 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