Lets get right to our new polls tonight. Tom foreman has that for us. Tom . Reporter hey, don. What these numbers say most of all is that this was a very good week for Hillary Clinton. Look at this. Shows now at 47 , five points ahead of trump at 42 . She was two points behind him about a month ago. Johnson 7 thrs, people looking for alternatives out there. Shes doing this with key demographics. Look at what is happening with the male vote. Shes at 40 and hes at 45 . Shes still trailing him, but she was way behind him. And she substantially closed that gap. Of course, with women over here, shes still at 53 . Hes at 40 . Trump is absolutely being hurt by this tax issue. Almost threequarters of the people we surveyed said he needs to release his tax returns, and more than half the people we asked said the fact hes not releasing them suggests he is hiding something. For all of trumps talk about how hes going to reach out to minority communities and convince them to come to his side, visiting black churches, visiting africanamerican communities, look at the africanamerican vote, not budging a bit. Clinton 95 , trump at 5 . Of course, all of this matters most when you talk about the electoral vote. If you turn to our map right now, our projections on whats going to happen here, yeah, you see a lot of red. But in the big Population Centers which control a tremendous number of electoral votes, clinton is running strong. If you take those states and the ones that are sort of light blue here like colorado, if you put all of those in her camp, thats it. Shes won the race. Trump has to win all the red states, all of the light red states or pink states here, and all of the yellow states, and he has to tip at least one of these light blue states in his favor if hes going to win the Electoral College. And the Enthusiasm Gap is closing a little bit. Her support has been very anemic in terms of people being excited about her candidacy, while he hasnt had that problem. But now look, shes up to 50 of enthusiasm among her voters, thats a big climb for her. Hes at 56 , still ahead, but its much closer. Heres one thing that both candidates and parties should still be worried about. Most people in this country remain not thrilled with either one of these candidates. Look at their unfavorables. Still, 54 , 59 . That suggests come january, no matter who wins, it could be a rather uncomfortable inaugural. Very well put, tom. Now i want to bring in david k. Johnson, the author of making of donald trump, and senior legal analyst. You have a new book out, too. American heiress, the kidnapping of patty hearst. You know, ive been doing this since donald trump announced that hes running for president. 14, 15 months since weve been talking about this. I think the election just started right after the first debate, the real battle, the real election, am i wrong . I think there is you know, a lot of people have been following it very closely, all along. But i think when you have a significant amount of distaste for both candidates, people are sort every fluctuating around. The people who are undecided, there are actually people out there undecided undecided at this point . I think the debate had a big influence on them. And then five days of caring about how Miss Universe i never heard of 20 years ago weighs, interesting issue to focus on if you want to be president. Theres going to be a fascinating sort of test in this, on election day, or in the period leading up to it. Which is, you have one campaign, the Clinton Campaign, that has invested tremendously in a ground game, in getting out the vote. You know, really grass roots campaigning. Trump has done very little. Maybe that will matter, maybe it wont. But it is certainly a more dramatic difference between the parties than weve seen in quite a few elections. You could thats fine. You were talking about a Miss Universe. Some of the missteps and some of the things happening now. David, nearly 1 billion loss is stunning. The trump surrogates are calling this genius, and that he took advantage of the tax laws to his favor. Is it genius . I dont think it takes a genius to lose 1 billion. To make 1 billion make take genius, but not to lose it. The genius was in how donald trump orchestrated this under two different sections of the tax code so he ended up benefiting himself and at the same time shortchanging investors and bankers and others. Theres a price to be paid for having net operating losses, and that price was borne by other people. And trump walked away with 82 million of money as a result of this. Plus, whatever else he earned taxfree. Would it have been a difference if it was may or january, where he had gotten in front of this instead of letting it would it have made a difference . You know, i think he has completely mishandled this whole tax situation, because its basically been, trust me, from the beginning. No one trusts anyone about someone elses taxes. And this tradition going back to the 70s, of every candidate releasing their tax returns, to be both the only candidate who doesnt release his taxes, and the one candidate who has the most complicated financial life, that was destined to be a big problem. His supporters are working class white men, correct, who pay taxes . Correct. How will this sit with him do you think . I dont know. The one thing that giuliani and christie have said, which i think resonates a little bit, is that, you know what . No ones obligated to pay more taxes than theyre obliged to. Im a businessman. Hes a businessman. Hes just doing what hes supposed to. The problem is, if hes actually paying zero in income tax, that might seem to people just excessive. The reason he can pay zero is it shows that the story, what a great master businessman he is, just isnt true. Donald has left a trail throughout his career of failed enterprises, enterprises without bills. His fortune, you could argue, actually derives from tax benefits that hes gotten. And money he borrowed that he didnt pay back, and workers who performed who werent paid and vendors who werent paid, not from any genius on his part. This is him explaining what was happening during that time. The news media is now obsessed with an alleged tax filing from the 1990s, at the end of one of the most brutal economic downturns in our countrys history. The conditions facing Real Estate Developers in that early 90 period were almost as bad as the Great Depression of 1929, and far worse than the Great Recession of 2008. Not even close. He doesnt deny the report, by the way. He says alleged. Is it a great de brepression in 90ess . No, we had higher incomes at the end of the 90s than we have now. Trump overpaid for things. He wildly overpaid for them. He admitted that years ago, that he said that like the plaza hotel, like the new york air shuttle. Right. He bought a 23yearold aging jetliner that should have been put out to pasture, and people were not interested. He had casinos. Its hard to lose money in the casino business. While others in the business were investing in the business, and in customer development, and getting people to come back, donald was pulling cash out of his casinos as fast as he could, and weakening them, which is why they were among the first to fail. Having reported on him, having been here and seeing all of that, do you think the average voter around the country realizes all of this . No. No. But i do think what will resonate with people is, im paying taxes, youre not paying any taxes. Am i a churmp . Before the tax bombshell, the New York Times, this tax bombshell from the New York Times, 86 of registered voters say paying taxes, that it is a civic duty. 57 say they think donald trump is hiding something. How do you think thats likely to affect voters. I think it is youre right, that some of this is hard to understand. But its easy to understand losing 1 billion and paying nothing in federal income tax. And its just got to be a problem. It will be interesting tomorrow night in the Vice President ial debate, which is not a highprofile clash, what will the candidates say . How will governor pence say, its okay to pay no federal income tax at all . Because you know its going to come up. And donald also in this loss of 900 million, if it wasnt inflated, he put it in he organized it in a way that prevented him having to pay another tax bill that was due. He then put this into this company where he sold stock for the first time. The shareholders went from 35 a share down to nothing while he took out 17 cents and he took out 82 million after he stuck them with the tax attributes that werent desirable. Thats an issue that if people understand it at all, he swindled his investors, is an argument. That was the question i was going to ask you. What about the vendors who werent pay, the people who lost money when their stocks went down, if they start coming out, speaking about this. But remember, the Trump University folks came out as well, didnt really have that much of an effect. Yeah, but theres a cumulative effect, i think, that goes into example after example after example of people who werent paid. Hiring Illegal Immigrants and fighting for 18 years not to pay them their 4 an hour. Case after case after case certainly has to have some voters who support trump saying, hmm, whats really going on here. We have a lot of people in television who have a lot of opinions. But david has actually done the work. Hes written an actual book about Donald Trumps finances, about his life. I think its worth listening to him about the details of what actually went on. Yeah. Thats why thank you. Ill give you a book. Thats why i said it. Thats why we have him here. And somebody who has studied this, lived through it, how do you think its going to resonate with the average person out there. Because you have this, and on top of that, you have a foundation today with a cease and desist. And now theyre saying, trumps side saying its politically motivated. Its worth remembering what a foundation is. A foundation is not just a business where you open a Checking Account and start doing business. You have to certify to the government that you are engaged in charitable works. So the government has to approve what you do every year. Whats happened here is that this is not just some box he didnt check. He has been saying hes running a foundation with no government supervision at all. Thats just not how the law is supposed to work. And using the money for his own benefit. My wife runs a big foundation, but hes using the money for a benefit in a variety of ways. Its a further indication of who trump is and his disregard for others. Thank you. Appreciate having both of you here. Vice president ial candidates mike pence, tim kaine taking the stage tomorrow night for the debate. Make sure you tune in for that. Alec baldwin may be trumpier than the real thing. We should be talking about the important issues like rosie odonnell. And how shes a fat loser. And everyone agrees with me. I just wanted to bring that up in a president ial debate right at the end. Good idea. I did it. Technology. S most exciting. Doesnt go on your wrist. The highly advanced audi a4, with classleading horsepower. Hey, jesse. Who are you . Im vern, the orange money retirement rabbit from voya. Vern from voya . Yep, vern from voya. Why are you orange . Thats a little weird. Really . 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I texted him back in may, i know i read an article online that Lauren Michaels said tina fey is credited with the yesterday. I said to my brother back in may, saying, you have to call lauren, you have to play donald trump on saturday night live. It will give you a treasure trove of opportunities with your career. All the followers will bow at your mere presence if you pull this off with trump. Lets watch a little more. My microphone is broken. She broke it. With obama, she and obama stole my microphone. They took my microphone to kenya and broke it, and now its broken. Im picking up somebodys sniffing here. I think its her sniffs. Shes been sniffing all night. Testing. Testing. Gina. Gina. Huge, gina. Secretary clinton, what do you think about that . I think im going to be president. I mean, this man is clearly unfit to be commander in chief. He is a bully. Shut up. He started the birther movement. You did. He said Climate Change is a hoax invented by china. Its pronounced gina. Listen, tina fey, her performance, as sarah palin. People will say that changed the course of the election. Do you think that could happen with your brother playing donald trump . Its completely gone viral in 24 hours. I dont know how many weeks we have between now and the election, there have to be four or five more snls. I wouldnt be surprised if it could move the needle a little bit, yeah. I wouldnt be surprised at all. Im sure Lauren Michaels is praying for a donald trump victory, because if he gets elected, then my brother could stay on the show for the whole season. That would be a ratings boon for saturday night live. Donald trump will be a ratings champ in another way. Your brother steven, hes a big republican. Does he like the impersonation . Is he offended by it . I literally havent texted him since this happened. Im assuming hes not thrilled about it. Hes a personal friend from donalds from his two appearances on celebrity apprentice. Quite frankly, my brother alec and i dont care about his feelings. Lets talk about Kate Mckinnon who does a brilliant Hillary Clinton. She doesnt hold back either. Watch this. He spent his life cheating middle class laborers. Laborers like my own human father who made, i guess, drapes or some kind of drapes, and he was relatable. And i am also relatable. Was that a fair portrayal . Did you like it . Oh, absolutely. We talked about it on your show before. She suffers from the same complex that al gore did. People say shes one way in public and behind closed doors you see this more relaxed side of her, thats more accessible and more relatable. And thats going to be a challenge for herr between now and election day. If she can allow the audience to achieve a deeper level of emotional intimacy with her and shows her more of the Hillary Clinton that we hear more about from the insiders on her staff, and the people who know her well, i think thats going to serve her well in the election. Lets talk about this 1995 tax return from the New York Times. How do you think this is going to resonate, or will it resonate with most people . Well, i think as your previous guest mentioned, that if he didnt presumably he didnt break any law. Perhaps he didnt even do anything unethical. But when you get working class stiffs like firemen, teachers, cops, plumbers, that are making 75,000, 80,000 a year, two kids, a wife and theyre paying their fair share of taxes that are going to rebuild infrastructure and build hospitals and rebuild schools and going towards the Defense Department defending our country, and he hasnt paid, then if hillary doesnt present that properly and exploit that properly, she should be able to utilize that to her advantage. Shes just got to figure out how to do it. I dont think it should be hard. You were at the republican convention, you were at the democratic convention. How do you think the race has gone since then . Hillary clinton had a huge got a bump, then lost it. Now she has a bump after the debate. How do you think its gone since then . Im just surprised that Hillary Clintons negatives, i guess, have such legs, that she hasnt been able to separate herself. Because donald trump has done himself no favors. Hes repeatedly shot himself in the foot. Look, they had the cincinnati enquirer, the wall street journal, the usa today, have all come out in favor of Hillary Clinton against donald trump using terms like unstable and a threat to national security. This is the arizona republic. They havent endorsed a democrat in their 150 or 160year history. The fact that the needle isnt moving more, im pretty surprised by that. You know, donald trump, i thought in the beginning, to have an antiestablishment candidate in the process on the democratic or the republican side at the outset i thought would be very good for democracy, very good for the political process. And give the electorate a different type of a choice. I just didnt i thought donald trump was going to be the hindenburg. I thought that would go away pretty quickly. The fact that hes had these legs in how poorly hes performed is kind of startling to me. I have to go. Give me yes or no, are you worried . Say that again . Are you worried . Am i worried . No, i honestly think that the american electorate will come to their senses. I think the Electoral College in a reaganmondaleesque way, i think trump will be taken to the woodshed and restore my faith in the american people, and the election process. Ive got to go, billy. Thank you. Appreciate it. Good seeing you. Thank you. Vice president ial candidates mike pence and tim kaine take to the stage for their only debate in this election, tomorrow night 9 00 eastern. Right here on cnn. Donald trumps latest wild allegation against Hillary Clinton with no evidence to back it up. Is this how he would behave in the white house . 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This needs to be an indicate r indicator to donald trump that he must stick to the issues, between now and the election. I only want to hear about his policy contrast with Hillary Clinton. How hes for against, rather, unfair trade. How hes for lower taxes for all americans. These are the types of things we need to hear. Not any of the personal attacks. He can highlight hillarys negatives. Do you think he can do that . I think he can. But it will take recognizing traps. The Democratic Party has been laying traps and hes walking straight into them, with machado, playing into the tax story a little bit. It will be watching out for those traps and mine fields laid out in front of him. Representative kingston, i think he had about three weeks where everyone said, wow, hes on message. But at this next debate there wont be a teleprompter. There will just be him, the moderator and Hillary Clinton and the audience. Can he do it . I think so. You know, i just want to say, one of the things, he did have the defective microphone. The moderator interrupted him 16 different times, did not interrupt Hillary Clinton at all. But there are no excuses. He needs to bring up the Clinton Foundation and benghazi and things that moderators may not talk about. Hillary clinton was able to do that. She pivoted to her talking points regardless of what the question was. And an experienced debater knows how to do that. I think well see donald trump doing that same thing. I think its going to make a difference when he does. Van jones, do you think its smart to bring up the Clinton Foundation, given whats happening with the Trump Foundation . I think thats the kind of stuff that if he is doing debate prep, he might be encouraged not to do. Listen, heres where donald trump is devastatingly effective. When he is going after her on things like trade, and that kind of stuff. Hes trying to get ohio, keep ohio, go for pennsylvania. I dont think the people in Pennsylvania Care that much about the Clinton Foundation or benghazi or any of this stuff. His problem is, he doesnt know how to grow beyond what hes already got. Now hes having to fight to hold on to the people hes had since september. Thats a problem. September of last year. Thats a problem for him. Theres a new poll that shows shes also leading in crucial swing states in florida and North Carolina and pennsylvania. But remember, she was leading after the convention. She lost the lead within a month. Could that same thing happen over the next month, Bakari Sellers . Yeah. I mean, i think what youll see is the polls get close once again. And then youll see democrats do what we do best which is start the proverbial bed wetting once again. I do think shes in command for the main reason she does pretty well with the Obama Coalition and getting them engaged and turned out. We know whether its donald trump or marco rubio or ted cruz, its a very narrow path to 270 electoral votes. Even more importantly, donald trump just makes it more narrow by cutting out in i paths for grow as van was talking about. Just to talk briefly about whats going to happen on sunday. I think the fact of the matter is, donald trump is not a skilled debater. We know hes not a politician by any stretch. But when you dont have the depth and then when you lack the temperament, it poses for a very poor debate, which we saw last week which hes still unraveling from. Lets discuss. Because all of you said, stick to message. Dont go off on these tangents. Heres trump questioning Hillary Clintons fidelity to her husband in a rally on saturday. Hillary clintons only loyalty is to her financial contributors and to herself. I dont even think shes loyal to bill, if you want to know the truth. And really, folks, really, why should she be, right . I want to hear from all of you. Bakari, i know you have a lot to say about this. I mean, i just think that its very rich when you have gingrich, giuliani, and donald trump talking about fidelity, talking about marriage. When between them you literally have to count their wives using your hands and toes. So i just think that its absurd. I think its beyond the pale. Kaley has a legitimate point. That donald trump does extremely well when i havent been able to figure out how he does it identify with the pain that working class voters are going through. When he does stuff like this, its below the discourse that our country deserves when we talk about the president of the united states. Kaley, it is unsubstantiated reference. Why go there . I think we have a rare point of agreement here. He went too far with this comment. Surrogates like me, and folks who are investing a lot in donald trump, because we deeply believe that he is the best policy for the country, we get frustrated. He was making a good point that hillary is only loyal to herself. I firmly believe that. I look at the Clinton Foundation and some of the accusations there with quid pro quo allegations. It does seem that way. But when you take it the extra step further, we have the kind of conversation we have tonight, rather than one about serious allegations about wrongdoing and policy issues. I think the whole public loses when we get into infidelity disputes back and forth. Van, why are you shaking your head . Because theres no proof that the Clinton Foundation has done its a good talking point. Im sure they would rather have that talking point than talking about this stuff, ka leighs right. But as you know, don, im so passionate about the good stuff that the Clinton Foundation has done. Frankly, democrats have had extraordinary postpresidency. Carters huge service, and clintons huge service. I always flinch when this great good that the clintons have done gets beat up on. Im tough on the clintons, but not the foundation. Representative, Quick Reaction to him saying about Hillary Clinton not being loyal . I think it was a throwaway line. I dont think he meant to go there deeply. And i dont think he went there deeply. And i dont think the audience took it that way at all. A cautious veteran politician would not make it. But donald trump is, you know, an exciting guy. Thats why he has 15,000 people coming to his rallies. Should he have done it . Keep everybody on the edge. I would not have advised it. Im really i think all four of us, all five of us, counting you, don, would agree tonight, you know, coming down the home stretch, he needs to talk about the economy, job creation, the tax burden, tax fairness, tax simplification. Ill leave national security. Ill leave that to the four of you. Ill just stay out of it and ask the questions. Were pulling you in. Were not done yet. He also during that same, you know, speech, mocked Hillary Clinton being sick with pneumonia. Well discuss that coming back. I lost my sight in afghanistan. If youre totally blind, you may also be struggling with non24. Calling 8448442424. Or visit my24info. Com. From icy ocean waters. To your kitchen counter. On. Pure. Pristine. Each one its own delicious artic prize. When you cook with incredible ingredients. You make incredible meals. Fresh ingredients. Stepbystepreciepes. Delivered to your door, for less than 9 a meal. Get 30 off your first delivery blueapron. Com cook. Back now with my panel, donald trump also mocked Hillary Clintons health. Watch this. Heres a woman, shes supposed to fight all of these different things. And she cant make it 15 feet to her car. Give me a break. Give me a break. Give me a break. Hmm. You know, its hard listen. Everybodys going to beat him up. Im going to say a couple things. Ive been that guy. You know, its very hard when youre in front of a big crowd and it gets going. Youre surfing a wave. And when you have the kind of talent that donald trump has in front of a big crowd, its hard to let a wave go. And so he overshoots his schemes and does this type of stuff. The problem is, im not running for president. Other people who get up in front of crowds, none of us are trying to become the commander in chief in five weeks. The fact that he cant control himself, that he just cant rein it in, and just do what needs to be done, had ecant put the Country First right now. And hes not even president. Hes letting his own ego first. Its bad. I just think we should be a little more confession al. All of us have gotten up in front of crowds and let it go too far. Im going to beat him up. The reason being go ahead. He wants to have this debate and discussion about stamina. We had manoamano, where he was on stage with a woman who had more skill and acumen. Donald trump by all accounts won the first 11 minutes and when Hillary Clinton made the comment about the 14 million loaned from his father, he unraveled. He still hasnt stopped unraveling. We can have the discussion about stamina. But bobby knight and rudy guliani, all the best people in the world cant prepare him for a debate. Hes not good at this thing called running for president. Representative kingston . I think hes going to be on his game come sunday night. Tomorrow night, i think mike pence is going to demolish tim kaine. Mike pence has i dont want to get off on a different lets talk about donald trump mocking Hillary Clinton no, i think what were going to see from donald trump is far more focused on the economy, on energy, on the tax code, and on Foreign Policy this coming debate. No question about it. Kayleigh, mocking a woman who is sick, the way the Clinton Campaign handled it was poorly. They admit that. The video of her, thats bad. Does he need to overplay his hand in that way and seem insensitive . No, he doesnt. This is where the movement thats behind him is not behind him because of pneumonia, theyre not behind him because of, you know, all of the controversies weve seen. Infidelities. Theyre behind him because of the policies he stands for. Well see a different donald trump on sunday. Lets keep in mind Hillary Clinton has been preparing for these debates for 50 years, since the High School Debate team. Donald trumps a real person. And i think if he can make a little nuance change on the outside and go on the offense more i dont want to cut you off but i have to get this in. Hillary clinton slamming donald trump earlier. This is about taxes. Doesnt look like he paid a dime of federal income tax for almost two decades. Now, while millions of american families, including mine and yours, were working hard, paying our fair share, it seems he was contributing nothing to our nation. Imagine that. Not fair. Nothing for pell grants to help kids go to college. Nothing for veterans. Nothing for our military. And, you know, he has been dissing america in this whole campaign, right . So brilliant and smart. Not paying taxes for 18 years. Also, representative kingston, saying how people didnt pay their fair share. How does this play with the working class voters who pay taxes . Number one, remember, he hasnt paid taxes, hes been paying federal, state and local taxes, if he was not paying his federal taxes or anything, he would be in jail by now. So the New York Times how do you know that . He has not broken any laws. Have you seen his taxes . He filed his financial disclosure, 105page report. He haes not done his tax return yet. Thats not the answer to my question. Thats not a tax return. How do you know what hes paid . What im saying is, for people to say he hasnt paid taxes, thats a leap of faith in itself. All im saying is, he has complied with the tax laws. Im not along the way has created a lot of jobs and gave wealth to a lot of different people. Were talking about income taxes. And donald trump himself has not contested the report at all. First of all, hes claiming right now that hes obeyed all these laws. According to him, though he offered no proof, hes being audited right now. If youre under audit, youre under audit because you havent been doing the right thing. You cant have it both ways. I cant give you my tax returns because im being audited, but im doing it the right way. This is a very, very im out of town. Im sorry. Go ahead. It seems like people that rich can make huge mistakes and never really suffer. And good people can work hard and go to work every day and work for people like him and get stiffed in the end and its wrong. But everything he did was lawful. Yes, it is. And awful. Lawful and awful. As representative kingston said, theres a Vice President ial debate tomorrow night with mike pence and tim kaine, taking the stage for their one and only debate, 9 00 eastern. Well have it right here live on cnn. Tune in. Coming up, donald trump loves to talk about his huge success with the apprentice. But what really went down behind the scenes. Ill talk to two former contestants. If youre going to make a statement. Make sure its an intelligent one. The highly advanced audi a4, with available virtual cockpit. That i was ion the icelandic game show. And everyone knows me for discounts, like safe driver and paperless billing. But nobody knows the box behind the discounts. Oh, its like my father always told me put that down. Thats expensive. Of course i save people an average of nearly 600, but whos gonna save me . [ voice breaking ] and thats when i realized. Im allergic to wasabi. Well, i feel better. Its been five minutes. Talk about progress. [ chuckles ] okay. Whoa. 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Its good to have both of you on. Randall, well start with you. This must be kind of surreal to you. When donald announced his candidacy, officially, i wrote him off. I dont think hed make it to the end of the year or win the primary. I think for many of us who were on the show, donald wasnt a political operative, a political player when he was doing it. He was a businessman. The idea that he toyed with it five years ago and then backed out, to me, looked like a publicity stunt. We could have never predicted this. Were you surprised . Well, i got the question from many people asking me is he really serious, and my gut told me from the beginning that he was. I had a feeling it would come to this where people would not believe that he actually would make it this far. Okay. Lets talk about these allegations. According to the Associated Press who interviewed more than 20 former cast and crew members, donald trump repeatedly demeaned women with sexist language and behavior. Did you ever see anything like that. No. When i was selected to be on the show, i had no idea that donald trump would become such a profound influence in my life. And im not somebody that really pays much attention to mainstream media, so i got to know donald trump for the man that he is, and the businessman thats behind the trump empire, and hes treated me with nothing but professionalism and respect, and i was raised with deep morals and integrity and old school values by cuban parents. And my integrity is not and will never be for sale, and the answer, though is i dont mean to cut you off, but youve never seen that behavior . Did you ever, ranldall . Yeah. Openly. I saw him discuss his comments about womens appearance. He would ask other contestants. This article from the Associated Press interviewed 20 former contestan contestants. 12 of them on the record. 8 asked for anonymity. Theres a list of people who have a ream of Katherine Walker, a respected producer on the show for five years said she frequently saw trump talk about womens bodies. Another one talked about it makes her sick he was checking her out. Jean folks talked about how he would ask him if he thought other contestants were attractive. And the one that troubled me the most was one who talked about how trump would stop production, ask everyone on the crew to look at a woman behind the camera and comment on her looks. That is unacceptable. And you witnessed that . No i did not witness that. I read the article and was appalled at what i read, but it was consistent with what i saw in terms of seeing donald talk about women on the set. They said this. They are denying this, and katrina is saying she never witnessed any of this. You were an entertainer there. Absolutely not go ahead. And i still work with donald trump a today im his number one top producer. I work with donald trump and his kids. Ive never seen any of this behavior. Ive never seen him be a racist or sexist and ive known him for over a decade. It seems convenient at this point in time. How can you have such different its not that we have different experiences. Katrina has different experiences than 20 people interviewed. The people they talked to are people we know. Again, people who i would consider to be credible. When i think about Katherine Walker who worked with us on the show for five seasons, she said she repeatedly observe third down behavior over the course of her time and for the Trump Organization to release a comment that folks are disgruntled employees, that are seeking publicity, i dont think any of these individuals are looking for publicity. They were approached to offer their opinion, as was i. My observation is consistent with the other 20 people who were interviewed that these are the behaviors donald displayed, and its consistent with what we see on the campaign. Its not like this contradicts what weve seen him do on the campaign. Katrina, whats the take away for you for voters . Its like there were 20 people interviewed for the article, there are hundreds of women executives who work for the Trump Organization. And hes helped women reach amazing opportunities within their career. Im one of them. I have nothing but Amazing Things to say about donald trump and theres plenty of women who would attest to that . Thats like saying youre not a racist because you have black friends. Its not the same. Its not a same. Thank you. I want to remind you the Vice President ial candidates take to the stage for their only debate at 9 00 p. M. Eastern here on cnn. Our coverage is all day. Thats it for us tonight. Thank you for watching. Ill see you back here tomorrow. Actually, the day after. Sure its free for everyone. Oh well thats nice and checking your score wont hurt your credit. Oh to dog im so proud of you. Well thank you. 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