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Belgium, at least six people arrested, three people arrested outside of the Prosecutors Office, two in the areaia called jetto and one other in an unknown location. We just referendum from the scene of a raid that was ongoing for several hours. Its not exactly clear what the target of the raid was but it took place in an area where there have been several other raids over the past few days beep saw a large police pressins and what appeared to be Forensic Experts inside this building, combing through every detail, paying specific attention to an apartment on the third floor. We dont know what the target of the raid was but we could see x experts going in, collecting evidence and taking it away. First of all, authorities here announcing today that they are now looking for a second participant in the attack on the metro bombing. Reportedly images from Surveillance Video showing a second man next to the bomber, carrying some kind of a large bag. Authorities havent released the images of the man. We dont know what he looks like. We dont know his nationality. We dont Motor Vehicle anything about him. The other focus, its an image we all know well, the third man in that airport bombing attack, hes the man at the edge. Photograph, hes wearing a light jacket, wearing glasses and a hat, perhaps an attempt to try and disguise his identity. Again, belgian officials releasing very Little Information about who this man is, where they believe him to be and what his role in this attack was. His bomb, his suitcase full of explosives never actually detonated. Right. Reporter meanwhile, not connected to these raids but in france, don, we have another series of ongoing major terror operations, antiterror operations i should say, aimed at taking out a plot that according to frances interior minister was in its advanced stages, saying this is an ongoing situation, asking journalists not to ask too many questions. We do know a man was arrested this morning after a weeks long investigation and it was through his arrest that the police had a raid in the argenteuil area of france. I want to bring in senior justice correspondent pamela brown. What are you learning about other isis plots in europe . Reporter investigators are aware of multiple other plots in europe, possibly linked to the brussels networks and theyre in various stages of planning. In some cases officials believe attacks are imminent. The belief is there are dozens, if not more, known isis operatives. They indicate these people are working to launch further terror attacks across europe. There are multiple threat streams but officials are overwhelmed by the sheer volume and there is a high level of concern in the wake of paris and brussels anything can happen because of all of these people who are still on the loose in europe, who have this intent and the intelligence coming in, don, in some of these cases is fragmentary so they dont have specific information to lead to the where and when . What are officials saying leading up to the attack . Reporter two officials in belgium handed in their resignations today because of the fact that one of the brothers who was at the airport, the suicide bomber, went to turkey, was deported last summer, possibly deported again and he was flagged for his ties to terrorism and then in addition to that, we have the other brother who had an interpol red notice out on him. I think the fact that these people, some of these people involved with the brussels attacks, also involved with the paris attacks is adding to the sense this is an intelligence failure. Theres a lot going on here. Officials are simply overwhelmed. There are too many foreign fighters in europe. They cant keep up with it. Theres politics at play as well. So theres a lot of factors. I want to turn to Paul Cruickshank. What are you hearing about these antiterror raids . These are very significant raids tonight. Theyre directed against a cell that took part in this attack, people they believe may, linked to that attack. There are six people in custody. Its not clear if any of those people in custody are any of those key suspects weve been talking about in the last hours. One of those suspect who is escaped from the airport didnt blow himself up there. Another one seen on cctv footage at that brussels metro stop, very near another one of the bombers. Six people in custody, three of those we understand arrested outside the belgium federal Prosecutors Office, right in the center of brussels, right by the local palace. Unclear of the circumstance, if they were posing some kind of threat to that building, to the people still inside. This Prosecutors Office is leading the charge in terms of the investigation into the cell. So very odd indeed. And potentially disturbing at that three people would be arrested there. What are your sources telling you, michael . We dont know the real size and extent of this network. Youve seen reports, 400 isistrained operatives have been sent to europe to conduct these operations. I was talking to people recently defebd from the organization today. I was told after paris this was a sea change for them. It was a successful operation, wildly so, and for them striking in the heart of europe, blowing up cities on the continent is their storming of mosul in june of 2014 money this is where theyre putting a lot of energy and resources. And the Foreign Intelligence Division or wing of isis is now seen to be the going concern. Its really a frankophone phenomenon. Explain that. The french language. Theres such a network, theyre able to be trained up, send dispatch back to europe and lie in wait. 400 is a very conservative assessment in my view. What are we learning about, two separate teams here . Were there two teams . At the time of the brussels attacks, officials believe that there were indeed two teams that were going to be involved in this and the first team were neutralized. The threat from them was neutralized. That was the Salah Abdeslam team. They were in a safe house, Salah Abdeslams hiding place after the paris attack in the neighborhood of brussels on tuesday of last week Belgian Police and French Police went into that building because they believed it was connected to the paris attacks. What they were not expecting to find is anybody inside at all, but they found three of the most wanted terrorists in europe inside. There was a fierce gun battle. Overall leader of the entire conspiracy, paris and brussels, including covering fire with a kalashnikov, that individual was killed by a sniper and the other two managed to escape during all that gun fire over the roofs of the building and then Salah Abdeslam made a crucial mistake. He called somebody up being monitored by Belgian Security services. He was being taken into custody. As the dragnet fell on team a, the other team decided to accelerate the plans that this whole twoteam conspiracy had. Thats why we saw the attacks at the airport and metro station. It could have been a lot bigger. Salah abdeslam is suspected to have been involved. The house chairman suggested today the americans were specifically targeted at the airport. Do you agree with that . Absolutely. Why show . Meramericans, seen as the to prize of isis. Was it the proximity to American Airlines . Many americans are missing, they hit a Lieutenant Colonel in the u. S. Air force. Thats moususic to their ears. Its not just americans. Soft targets in particular. Reporter how frustrated are u. S. Officials with their belgian counterparts . They do communicate with them. Pele beat up on belgium a lot, but youve got to realize two things number one, belgium is bearing the brunt of the richest, fiercest group in terrorist history who have got more western foreign fighters than any other terrorist group has ever been able to get before and small little belgium is dealing with the brunt of this. And this is a country which doesnt have anywhere near the resources of a britain or france, let alone the United States with all the resources that you have over here. And there are many people working round the clock to try and protect belgium, very, very good people. Some of the politician, the political leaders, however, are not giving them the resources that they need. There hasnt really been this realization that this threat was real until very recently. Are authorities trying to prove something tonight, that theyre on top of it . Were seeing a lot of raids going on or do they happen but we dont focus on them because theres no plot . They happen sometimes. Youre looking at these raids taking place in realtime. We did a piece at the daily beast this week, and u. S. Intelligence are very disappointed in not just their belgian counterparts but European Union counterparts. The word used by a cia operatives, its like dealing with children. Theyre in a state of denial. Not just about the jihadi threat but the jihadi milieu. This has been festering for decades. Even before 9 11, 7 7 in london and if paris and london are not wakeup calls, nothing is. Why officials fear that isis was looking into Nuclear Capabilities in belgium. We talk about what that means with the ongoing battle with the terrorist group. If you have moderate to Severe Plaque Psoriasis isnt it time to let the real you shine through . Introducing otezla, apremilast. Otezla is not an injection, or a cream. Its a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. Some people who took otezla saw 75 clearer skin after 4 months. And otezlas prescribing information has no requirement for routine lab monitoring. Dont take otezla if you are allergic to any of its ingredients. Otezla may increase the risk of depression. Tell your doctor if you have a history of depression or suicidal thoughts, or if these feelings develop. Some people taking otezla reported weight loss. 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Why would the paris attack cell have this video Surveillance Footage, which they had recorded on some sort of camcorder of this official . Were they wanting to perhaps aspire to launch an attack on a Nuclear Facility in some way to get a lot of international headlines, even if they couldnt get inside . Were they even trying to gain access in a sense to nuke checl sites for some sort of aspirational materials inside there. The belgian official does not know what they were planning, but in the wake of that brussels attack on tuesday, they evacuated nonessential staff from two Nuclear Facilities in belgium, which shows they were rather concerned. What are your sources telling you about the potential targets, michael . Ive heard that germany is a big target right now. Thats from recent isis defectors. U. S. Says theyre picking up a lot of chatter for spain and italy, spain for historic reasons, italy because of the proximity to israel and ive also heard theyre about to start using women as suicide bombers. That would be the sort of black widow phenomenon for isis,ing is they havent done before. What do you think of the warning about traveling to europe . I take it serious. The u. K. , they put out a video with a gun over camerons head and said youre next. Im terrified. I told my wife dont travel abroad and she has to for work. You mentioned most of the countries that people want to go to. Thats exactly the point. Do you agree . Well, look, im european, its my home. Hes got no choice. I got no choice. They always say this but from a statistical point of view you have to be spectacularly unlucky to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. We think about them a lot. What isis has achieved is to strike fear in europe right now. The publics of the various European Countries are losing confidence in their governments and Security Services to protect them because these terrorist attacks keep on getting through, paris, brussels, where is going to be next . A lot of concern as well about social cohesion in europe because what isis is trying to do is to create a backlash against the Muslim Community in the west because they think that that could be a big recruiting tool for them if there is a very large backlash if you have a string of these attacks, it could lead to the sort of rise of far right movements across the west. Go ahead, michael. Theyve made use of donald trump and the statements hes made. Theres a proisis cleric who endorsed donald trump for president this europe. They would love to see maureen le pan because president. If you are a muslim living in the land of disbelief, it is your responsibility to kill. Theyre putting this emphasis on foreign operations now. Thats where they really want to wage battle. You said in the last segment that u. S. Officials were frustrated with not just mychal bell belgian officials were overtaxed here. Its true that the ice yet threat of trained operatives coming over San Bernardino is different. Thats inspired. Trained operatives coming from syria to the United States, theres an ocean that separates them, our intel does a slightly better job than europe does. We dont have this phenomenon of muslim communities that are essentially ghettoized. They see something, they say something. Thank you both. Up next, in the wake of the deadly brussels attacks, ted cruz slams donald trump saying he doesnt know much about Foreign Policy. A models hair is the ultimate test for care. Schwarzkopf presents essence ultime omega repair, with rich omega oil. It repairs hair deep inside. 10 times stronger hair. 90 percent less breakage. Omega repair, developed with claudia schiffer, from schwarzkopf. 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We have to look it the experience of other countries and do a better job protecting our airports and do a better job trying to anticipate but without diminishing civil liberties. If your First Defense is your allies and your muslim communities, you can undermine them. What mr. Trump and mr. Cruz are actually saying building walls, theres no wall big enough to keep internet out or to keep radicalization out. I think mr. Trump live, you know, hes an analog man living in a digital area. He doesnt understand that can you be inspired by what isis say. The battleground will be in syria, iraq, libya, however, you have to work on prevention here and cooperation. How many muslim communities around the world have sent foreign fighters . You have none of that or few of that in the United States. Theres a reason. They feel american first and foremost. Go ahead, alan. I agree. I think we have to cry to create alliances, create a very strong incentive on the part of people who may know of any terrorist activities to turn them in. Thats not happening in brussels. Thats not happening in paris. Thats probably not happening in london and we have to make sure we emphasize the fact that the vast, vast majority of muslims in the United States are well integrated into america, they are students of mine at harvard. I celebrate ramadan with them. We have to build bridges, but we also have to be very, very tough when we find somebody who is likely to be engaged in terrorist activities, make sure we have appropriate surveillance, no any kind of profiling of individuals based on race and religion but based on history and background and travel plans. I think we can do it. Our Fourth Amendment provides for reasonableness, not absolute prohibitions. We are not locked in the way brussels was locked in to some very foolish constraints on the ability of their services to conduct raids when necessary and to conduct intelligence operations we can have both, safety, security and also consistent with our human rights and civil liberties. Rula, Hillary Clinton speak with Sam Donaldson after 9 11. Everyone realizes we have to take care of our people and do whatever it takes to be safe. Including profiling, senator . I think we have to do whatever it takes, sam. Was she right . I think secretary clinton evolved on many issues, lets put it this way. I am actually against racial profiling. People from around the world ran away from Police States and now we have candidates who wants to turn the United States into an oppressive police state. This is not only preposterous. This is not the 21st century we belong to. We have so many hyphenated, africanamerican, jewishamerican, what are the things that unite us . American. When have a a terrorist, you have to treat them as criminals. You dont see that to the degree that youre seeing now. But i think theres an enormous difference between profiling and racial profiling. Profiling is a very good tactic, trying to find out as much as we can about a persons individual profile, name live travel history, ideology, whether or not they belong to any radical groups, whether or not they have made statements on the internet which show a disposition. Profiling is a very good thing. And we should thats part of the prevention, alan. Im not talking about that. Im talking about racial profiling. Im against profiling people because they are jews, or they are muslims or black or white. Were not disagreeing. We need to understand these candidates have actually Foreign Policy advisers and some of them are islamophobes. How do you did that without profiling people racially . You have counterextremists arent you zeroing in on a persons religion and a persons race . Thats what profilers do. We have fbi profilers, police profilers. Youre zeroing in on someone. You are not profiling an entire community because this community its what ted cruz said about patrolling an entire community. That is not only against the law, that is not about what fear is not an american value. Hope is. Go ahead, alan. Lets be very clear. Its not against the law. Perhaps it should be. Its not against the law what ted cruz has suggested. The sport said specifically can you have that kind of intrusion into a community as long as you dont violate their Fourth Amendment right. It may not be a smart thing to do. Please dont cut me off like you always do. Let me just finish. I never do that, alan. I think you are mixing me with someone else. Let him finish. Using a persons background which includes ethnicity, includes religion, includes racial factors but doesnt limit itself to that looks at a variety of factors but doesnt exclude a persons ethnicity is the way profiling can operate properly within the constitution and within american values, but we have understood that terrorism is conducted by a wide variety of people from different backgrounds, but certain terrorist acts of certain kinds are committed more frequently by members of some communities than by others. And we cant ignore that fact in deciding how to create a profile. Thats an expert matter. That should be done by people were experience and it shouldnt be based on kind of ideology, it should be based on what is most effective. I think whats most effective is broad profiling, looking at the person as entire history and background and i think that can be a very effective tool in preventing terrorism. Look, alan, when you have ted cruz who has his National Security adviser, somebody like frank gaffney, who is a certified islam fob, who called president obama a muslim, who called grover norquist, you understand ted cruz is actually misguided on these issues, is following the wrong guy and wrong policies. But you have other people like trump, who is advised by a guy, walid phares, who used to advise a warlord who committed atrocities. I have concern about our National Security in the hands of these two guys. You are right that we need preconvention surveillance but surveillance have to be not against an entire community. It can be individually against people that i think Law Enforcement has serious suspects about. Ive got to get to a break. Hold your thought, alan. Ill let you respond on the other side. Okay. music plays hi im kristie and im jess. And we are the bug chicks. We are a nanobusiness. Windows 10 really helps us get the word out about how awesome bugs are. 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Many people ran away from countries that used to persecute people based on religious, sex, Sexual Orientation or faith. We ran away from those cultures. A criminal is a criminal, whether hes white, black, latino, africanamerican, j ew. In the eyes of the law, whether hes o. J. Simpson i dont think youre answering his question,though. What if he said if he, for example, traveled to syria multiple times, this is the intelligent i think the agencies, all the intelligence agencies that were put this place after 9 11 as we speak already profile people before they come into this country. I went to the u. S. Embassy multiple times. How many interviews i had to go through and they were very clear, where did you travel, where did you go, who did you see . Our agencies work very well to understand the background check we are looking at. In the case of belgium and france, many of these kids went to syria and guess what, when their parents reported to the authority, the authority did not care about that. Rula, how are authorities supposed to do their jobs when theres one common factor . Are they supposed to ignore that common factor . Which is . That all of them are radicalized. That its radicalized islam. Its a bastardization of a religion. There is something called taccia. When the brothers were arrested in jail, they were arrested for petty jails. They got radicalized inside jail, they come outside, start drinking and going out with women and all that. Thats why you need a community who understands radicalization, understands counterextremists and the cryptic language they are using. Thats why the Muslim Community is your first line of defense. Hang on. So ive worked in local news forever, every night. Police are looking for a black male, 5 foot whatever, a white male such and such doing this. Why is religion different . Investigators are looking for islamic radicalist or a muslim why is that off the table . Im not saying that. What youre saying something else, that when you were young as an africanamerican man, if there is a criminal that came from chicago, the police would stop you because what you share with him is the color of the skin. But im not 56. Im 6 feet tall. Thats why we have police if theyre looking for a black guy or white guy or asian guy, why is it different if theyre looking for a muslim or islamic guy . Im sorry, maybe i think there is something here that is missing, but no one should demonize you, criminalize you or dehumanize you because youre black. I dont think thats dehumanization. The reality of it is there was a black male who was a certain time i think we are lost in translation here. Give me a chance to answer. Alan, just one second. I think here there is a basic issue. If you are if you have real suspicion or you have a real suspect and youre following that lead, you have to follow it tim the end, whether his friends, the people he came in contact with, whatever you have to do but inside of the legal system, youre allowed to do it. But if youre telling me you would start monitoring people based on how they look or because they are praying, then i have a problem with that. Let me ask a specific question. How about prioritizing Law Enforcement and making sure that we have undercover agents and we have surveillance that are prioritized in communities in which there is a greater likelihood that radicalization will occur . So if theres a limited amount of money to be spent on, for example, creating undercover agents, that right now it would be a wise idea to spend that money putting infiltrators into radical mosques, into muslim communities that have a history of radicalism, rather than putting them into episcopalian churches or reformed jewish synagogues that have no history of radicalism. Would that be okay, prioritizing Law Enforcement in certain areas over other areas based on the history of those communities . Would that be okay . Alan, let me tell you something youre not answering. No, no, im answering. Give me the chance, give me the chance. Im not in court. Im not a criminal. Were only on tv and only have a certain amount of time. I think the overwhelming majority of the people who committed atrocity is in the west bank, who killed a baby this summer, burned him alive, came to brooklyn. Do you prioritize infiltrating with informants that already the agents are doing as we speak . Thats a good question. Let me answer that. In israel there has been terrorism by some ultra Orthodox Jews, israelis who live in the west bank. And if you are an extremely radical Orthodox Jews who belong to west bank groups, yes, they have profiled them and prevented acts of terrorism against west bank jews. There is the opportunity to use ones jewish background. You have to look at the history and the culture and where things are happening. In the west bank you would look at a persons jewishness and in the United States you might look into certain mosques as well. Not discrimination, alan. One quick note, American Airlines reminds us neither of the bombings happened in proximity to their airlines at the brussels airport. Testing, testing. 1, 2, 3, 4. Look out honey. Because im using technology. Aint got time to make no apologies. Soul radiation in the dead of night. Love in the middle of a fire fight. Honey gotta strike me blind. Somebody gotta save my soul. Baby penetrates my mind. 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In a highrisk mission you need someone can you trust and someone you have confidence in and this is how they operate because they know that youre going to trust no one more than a member of your own family. Is there Something Different about the dynamics of brothers and their relationship that makes them targets to becoming radicalized . You know, generally except for in isis, these twin sisters, the halani sisters, for the most part any time you have siblings, youll have one older and one younger. We observe the older pulls the younger one in and the younger one can be considerably younger. We know from the tsarnaev trial that thats what he accused his older brother of doing. We dont know if its because the older brother is on a pedestal that maybe the young are sibling looks up to them. Many find it difficult to believe that others in the terrorist community werent aware of the terrorist plot. What do you think of that . You know, we have a lot of data that shows that and then the opposite of that. You know, sometimes, especially with suicide bombing operations and weve seen this with Palestinian Suicide bombers, they separate them from the family for weeks or months ahead of time for fear that the family may talk them out of it if they find out about the mission. Isis in particular has been recruiting entire families, so it is likely that people who are close to them are aware of it. This is one of the reasons why ive always said when we see women, the likelihood is that there is a male member of the family who was involved in the terrorist group first. So we have to be very wary. If someone is involved in terrorism, we have to look at their family. We cant treat their family immediately at perpetrators because the family may be a great resource and we know that, for example, mothers can be a bulwark against extremism and getting their kids out. We have to be careful because these family ties run deep. Mia bloom, always great to have you on. Appreciate your perspective. Thanks, don. When we come back, the latest on the antiterror raids in brussels. And has donald trump gone too far tweeting attacks on ted cruzs wife, heidi . Cruz thinks so. Donald, youre a sniveling coward and leave heidi the hell alone. Find a single thing to wear. Will they be looking at my hair . Wont be the same without you bro. When its go, the new Choice Privileges gets you there faster. And now, stay two times and you can earn a free night. Book now at choicehotels. Com people love me for saving them over half a grand when they switch to progressive. So im dabbling in new ventures. It was boardgame night with the dalai lama. Great guy. Terrible player. Go paperless dont stress, girl i got the discounts that you need its a balancing act, but i got to give the people what they want more box. Any words for the critics . What can i say . Critties gonna neg. [ applause ] the what . [ laughs ] appreciate your perspective. Alon this is cnn breaking news. The breaking news coming from brussels. Police there arrest at least six people tonight in antiterror raids across the city. This is cnn tonight. Im don lemon. This comes amid fears of possible new terror attacks in europe. Also ahead tonight, the personal attacks in the Republican Campaign getting nastier and reaching a boiling point. Lets get to the latest on the antiterror raids in brussels. Nick paton walsh is there. We have seen forensic officers focusing on that top floor, thats where weve seen men head to toe in white overalls for much of the hours we been here. Other officers coming and going, taking out pelican cases, wearing lighter vests. This began hours before that. Some

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