But it is 10 00 p. M. On the east coast, 7 00 p. M. In San Bernardino. This is cnn tonight and im don lemon. You are at a candle light individual ivigil. Is the Community Still on edge . There is a lot of sadness and security here. They are cautious about any large gathering. And there is a lot of anger but a lot of broken hearts. People are trying to figure out what happened, trying to see, are there other people who may have been involved in this. And the fact they dont know fully what the motive in this was is particularly troubling to people and i think a lot of people are eager to hear what it was to try to get their mind wrapped around what happened yesterday. If you can even do that. You read off the name of the victims there. And gary tuchman spoke to one of the widows of one of the victims. She was talking about her husband, who was killed and his feelings toward muslims and that he actually worked with one of the killers. She didnt know whether they had had any kind of conflict over religion but heres what she told gary. You have been open about this what he has said about muslim in the past. What has he said . Yes, he is very upset about what isis has been doing and the radicalized muslims, al qaeda, the whole situation. His upset about the fact that the majority of the muslims its like they wont come out and do something about it. Do you think he talked to farook about that . He might have. And do you have any knowledge at all from anyone you talked to of what happened at the function yesterday with farook . No. I just know that there was an argument and very easily could have been an argument with my husband. I wouldnt be surprised. We do not know at this point what that argument was about. Kyung has been on your show and she is at the same place you are. Lets bring her in and talk to her. Mike madden is a First Responder who spoke at a press conference. We were transfixed about what he was saying. What did you pick up from that press conference . Its really what he saw and his amount of bravery that he and the other officers displayed. He was one of the first officers to arrive. He and three other officers ran into the building. They were responding, believing that the suspects, these killers were still inside and then he described what can only be expressed as a horrific scene. It was unspeakable. The carnage that we were seeing, the number of people who were injured and unfortunately already dead. And the pure panic on the face of those individuals that were still in need and needing to be safe. We asked we got as many people out as quickly as we could. And he says that it was so loud when he was in there that he could see all the people who were wounded. He could hear the moaning and the crying. There were fire alarms going off, don. And he said that you could still smell gun pounder wder in the a we are getting more accounts, arent we . We are getting a picture of what is happening in the room from the people who were inside that place and just exited the room or had actually seen what happened inside. It was a christmas party. It was one of those work meetings that turns into a luncheon. There were about 75 to 80 people inside. This is department of public health. These are the people that go out and check swimming pools and check restaurants and the number of people we spoke with basically said what was happening inside that room was a festive time. Things were looking up and they were excited to celebrate the end of the year and it turned when the gunfire erupted. Syed farook, he didnt have a criminal background, did he . We couldnt find anything on his background. That is perplexing as well. Law enforcement, how are they supposed to find these suspects if there is no sign. Thats what they have to drill down here. What about his family . Are you learning about them . The only thing that we could see is there is any signal of violence in his background is how he grew up. We got ahold of Court Documents on what kind of family he came from. His mother divorced her husband in 2008 and she talks about a very abusive husband. He was someone who she described in the Court Documents as being mentally unstable and ill, someone who talked about suicide daily. She says that he would beat her. He threw a television on her and her children witnessed all of this. My goodness, thank you very much. Stand by. Pamela brown has breaking news about evidence recovered. Tell us what you have. Thats right. We learned that two cell phones were damaged an they were found in a garbage can at one of the crime scenes that investigators were able to recover and now those phones will now be taken to quantico in virginia for the fbi to look for to get content from that. And the hard drive from the couples computer is nowhere to be found. The fbi has subpoenaed to the big providers to get the content on those electronics. And the people involved in this investigation says that will be key and hopefully shed more light on what a motive is. At this point im being told that there is no clearcut motive. This could be a case of terrorism. But it also could just be a case of disgruntled employee. And talking to family members who have been very cooperative who say there was nothing to them that stood out about the couple in terms of them being extremists. So Syed Rizwan Farook was not on any watch lists. It doesnt appear he had any type of criminal record. What do we know about people he was communicating with via the internet or just communicating with . It was telefonicly. They were not high priorities. These are people that the fbi knew about and could be tied to international terrorism. These were soft connections over the course of the last several years. And there is nothing they found so far to indicate there were recent communications with these individuals around the time of the attack. If there were that could be key. But at this point, investigators arent putting too much weight on that. But again it is still early. And also overseas trips, overseas trips that he took . Thats right, we have learned that his last recorded trip was to saudi arabia in the summer of 2014. He went for the hajj and was there for nine days. It is believed it is there he met his wife who came to the United States on a marriage green card. But not a lot is known at this stage on what happened there. The trip has not raised red flags but officials are in touch with Saudi Arabian authorities to find out if there was something they missed. And of course they want to learn more about it. But nothing jumping out to indicate a clearcut motive. Stand by. I want to get to poppy harlow, inside of that vigil. I heard you say you heard the most beautiful music being played and what are people saying, how are they doing . It is the most beautiful music. Its stunningly gorgeous Acapella Group of teenagers got up and sang. And its the first time i have been able to sit back and take it all in and it broke my heart. The other song here, may you find comfort here and they opened with a prayer saying we are challenged but we are not hopeless the mayor talking about his conversation with president obama. Each of these people, thousands here tonight have their own story as to why theyre here. Gustava is here. He doesnt know anyone who was killed but he is here to find answers. Christina lost two friends in the shooting. A third friend was shot in the head. One of the friends who died, a father of six children, don. Mike wetzel. It is just mind boggling. There are a number of children there at the vigil tonight. How do they explain what happened to these kids . I think thats what surprised me the most. I see a mother to my left rocking a baby in a stroller. I was with a mother of five children. I said how do you tell them about this . And she said this is a difficult world. I cant shield them from the news. They watch with me and saw the worst of it yesterday. Today is sort of the best of it, if you think about bringing a community together. She doesnt have the answers and they have a lot of questions, of course, kids look up at their parents and ask these innocent questions and parents want to have answers. And tonight she wants answers about the best of her community. And she said i take them to church a lot because there is only so much in the world i can protect them from. That is difficult for us to hear but that is the reality today. People need faith at this moment. Poppy, appreciate that. When we come back, we know what the killers did but we dont know why. And the answers to this question could change everything. 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And officials telling cnn he was on the way back to europe with attack orders from isis. A lot of concern tonight about the terrorist threat to the uk given all those british extremists who have gone to syria and iraq, more than 700 and more than 350 returned back to europe at this point. Now we have turned to this in San Bernardino. But i have to ask you what is the latest on the hunt for Salah Abdeslam . Has it gone cold . Absolutely right. The trail has gone cold and it went cold the day after the attacks when Salah Abdeslam was dropped by a friend in a brussels district on the saturday after the attacks. They havent had any information on his whereabouts since then, the official now saying that he chickened out essentially of his suicide bombing in paris. He panicked. And he called up these contacts in brussels, these friends in a state of high anxiety asking them to come pick him up in paris and take him all the way back to belgium. The same official saying he now be persona non grata in isis. Because he aborted the final part of his mission. We heard the president say maybe it was a hybrid of Workplace Violence or terrorism. They havent ruled anything out. They had been radicalized or the possibility they had been radicalized. What to you think . This is a complicated one. He picked a target he knew intimately. He had attended the party and there was a dispute. He went home and got his gear which indicated it was clear he was planning something. You dont have tactical vests, assault rifles and pipe bombs because you snap one day. You know, so the question is, was he planning something imminently and then this was the trigger, or what it a combination . Human beings can be complicated creatures. It is possible and indeed likely he was radicalized remotely. The New York Times reported he was in touch with people from al shabaab. And the people were considered so low bar that eventually the fbi gave up on investigating it further. If he was radicalized i think it was a slow boil. If he was radicalized and all signs why not just say its terror. Any time you kill 14 people that is terrorizing a community and families. Im all for carrying out an investigation and not jumping the gun. I hate to use that phrase but honestly, isis they celebrated the attack. They department take credit for it. If its isis inspired they may never take credit for it. The way isis is trying to do things, they are sending operatives back from raqqah if they come from europe to plot and perpetrate the attacks such as the one in paris. The other method is you might call it a crowd sourcing jihad, stay where you are, here are the manuals. This is the way you build bombs and obtain guns. Go shoot up a school, go shoot up a civic center or whatever. When you do it and we find out you were inspired by us we will take credit for it. And the fact that he smashed the cell phones and tried to erase stuff from his hard drive he is trying to cover up a digital trail. We thought the soft targets when we were talking about paris and others, restaurants and venues easy to get into. Is this a new soft target, wherever you are, if you can create terror, thats where you do it . I think a lot of people are asking the question, why didnt they go and shoot up a ball game or theater. A ball game a mall. Somewhere where you have a lot more people. With the weapons and bombs, they could have killed a lot of people. This could have been far worse which begs the question, perhaps they were planning something at some point but we know there was an altercation at this holiday party. And maybe they changed the plans and launched the attack there instead. I think that is a real possibility. Over the last year or so we have seen these sort of mixed motive attacks where you have the workplace anger and also a terrorist motive. We saw that in oklahoma in 2014 where an extremist, a convert to islam was fired from his job at a Food Processing center and then when and beheaded a female coworkers. He had bin laden on his facebook and beheadings on his facebook. We saw a case in france in june, a fan of isis, he was angry with his boss. He was in a trucking Delivery Service and he beheaded his boss, strung the body on a fence and sent a selfie to isis in syria. So we have seen these kind of dual motivations before. Go ahead, michael. And this is not just one guy. This is the bonnie and clyde of terrorism. Are you surprised there is a woman involved . Im not surprised. If it was spontaneous. He goes home and says lets go blow up my office and she says okay and they deposit the small infant child with the grandparent and they go. It seem odd, doesnt it . There seems to have been some premeditation on this target. If they are looking for soft target and we know they are, the softest of soft targets are places you know and have access to. And obviously he was familiar with the internal layout of this building. So this could have been the plan all along. We dont know yet. Thank you, we will see you soon. When we come back, horror and heart break. Were going to talk to the man who didnt know for 22 hours whether his boyfriend survived this terrible attack. Some of these experimentsere notmay not work. Il. But a few might shape the future. Like turning algae into biofuel. New technology for capturing co2 emissions. And cars twice as efficient as the average car today. Ideas exxonmobil scientists are working on to make energy go further. No matter how many tries it takes. Energy lives here. Ok, weheres dad. Mom. The twins. Aunt alice. You didnt tell me aunt alice was coming. Of course. Dont forget grandpa. Can the test drive be over now . Maybe just head back to the dealership . 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Still kind of surreal and kind of numb at the moment. You havent got much sleep, have you . No. Not really. I probably finally fell asleep via sleeping pills about 1 30 this morning and my phone started going off at 3 00 in the morning. It has been off and on all day and is trying to catch sleep when i can. And thats what when it first happened, you didnt hear from him, right . And then finally ill go through that later. But finally after hours and hours you took a handful of sleeping pills and you got to sleep and you woke up and heard the terrible news, correct . Correct. Correct. Tell me about daniel and his job at this Regional Center. Basically, what daniel did was there was a program that the irc had through another similar functioning type place called path ways. The program was through path ways but funded through the irc. It was basically a job training program. Daniels job was a job trainer to the client that he had. He was responsible for teaching him how to make the drinks, ring up sales, handle Customer Service stuff and just help him keep them on track while he was doing that type of thing. It sounds like admiral work, a noble profession he was trying to help developmentally disabled adults by teaching them job skills. People keep saying maybe this is workplace anger or workplace related. But he wasnt involved with this guy. And he just happened to become a victim. Yeah. Exactly. Daniel just happened to work inside the irc building from what i understand. It was not an irc event and the people that were involved with perpetrating the shooting were not involved with the irc in any way. They just happened to be in the Conference Center that day. There is a whole back and forth. Im not sure you are focused on it. You are probably just focused on the loss of your partner. But the focus on whether it is Workplace Violence or terrorism, what do you think about that at this point . At this point, when it comes to my feelings on it, and i know daniel feels the same way as i do, when it comes to the extremist aspect we dont condone that on any end. But we also dont think that people should live in fear of all people of those religions or cultures because they didnt have anything to do with it. Its only these extremists. So as far as my opinion on it, i mean, theyre doing what they believe in, i guess. I cant condone that, obviously. But, yeah, that ones a tough one, sorry. Yeah, no. Quite understandable. The last 24 hours. You and daniel were texting all morning yesterday and then what happened . Yeah. Basically what happened was i took him to work. I left there at about 7 00 when he starts by the way, he didnt get a drivers license because he liked the time spending the time with you. That is an excuse for not getting a drivers license. That is one of his excuses for not learning how to drive. He was like because i never get to see you because you take me to work and take me home. Im like we live ten minutes from each other. And he is like, no, no, no. I like it this way. So he always insisted on that. So take us therough the 24 hours. I had taken him to work and i went home. And he texted me like he usually would on his breaks or on his leverage or whatever. And sometimes he will send me pictures or sometimes well have conversations. This time he was sending me some pictures and i responded with a little joke picture of my own. And then i started to get ready for my doctors appointment. I was supposed to have a doctors appointment yesterday. I got out of the shower and it was exactly 12 00 noon at this point and my sister text messaged me and said ryan does daniel work at the Regional Center in San Bernardino. Theres something on the news about there being a shooting. And so i immediately turned on the news and immediately tried to call daniel, tried to text daniel. I was getting no response whatsoever from him. I called pathways, thats the people he works for and figured they might know something about it. They had heard from the client, lewis, that daniel was apparently on his lunch when it had begun which had me more worried because he was a smoker and spends his lunch at the building and he would have just been outside smoking. So you called around. As i understand you called around to a bunch of hospitals and got nothing and you heard he was in surgery and was fine. And as it turns out you went to bed after taking a bunch of sleeping pills to get you to bed after midnight and you woke up to the phone call and got this news. I want you to tell me how you learned this news. This is a photograph that were going to put up from the l. A. Times that is showing right now when you got the heart breaking news. Yes, they happened to be there finishing up with me when i got the telephone call from daniels aunt that the Coroners Office was there. And she let me know that he was positively identified at the scene. And they asked if i wanted to speak to the coroner and i said to go ahead and send him to me. And i immediately broke down. And went into hysterics. They were just really bad terminology but they just happened to be there at the right time to be able to catch that. Because he was literally just getting ready to read what he had in the article and he was going to be like, okay, let me know when you know anything else and thats when his aunt called when we were in the middle of that. Ryan, you know, we this is horrible. And were in this new time now where we are just getting used to samesex marriage that is legal now. Love is love. What do you want people tony about daniel and your relationship . Well, what is it that you wanted to know about your relationship . What do you want people to know about daniel that love is love when its a loss it doesnt matter if its samesex or what have you. I can tell you right now that the fact that daniel was gay was never an issue with anyone because daniel was one of those people that everybody loved. He i know its cliche to say that peoples smiles could light up a room but this is really true about daniel. He worked the renaissance pleasure fair for 16plus years and got me involved with it as well. And there, everybody at the renaissance fair that knows him as the person that always has a smile going through the parades, jumping around and twirling his flag and singing and having a good time. And there is other patrons that come to see us as a renaissance fair as well as participants that work it, thats the highlight of their day is seeing daniel go through in the parade with just being vibrant and full of life. And the man could have a 30minute conversation with the cashier at the Grocery Store about his cats and i would have to pull him away and be like theyre working and theres a line forming. And just one of those people that everybody loved. Got along with everybody. The life of the party, always funny. Always creative. I know its a big loss for you and i dont know how you are standing right now. But i appreciate you coming on talking about your love for daniel and talking about daniel. We wish you the very best. Thank you so much. Thank you. Coming up, what was the motive for the latest mass shooting and how do we guard against attacks like these . Believe it. At t and directv are now one. Which means you can watch in the house, in a treehouse, or even in miss pepperpies house. Pause in your pjs and hit play during a pb j. Nice and enjoy some cartoons instead of listening to dads car tunes. dad meet you all the way get the best of both worlds. Directv at home and 2 wireless lines. From directv and at t. Want bladder leak underwear that try always discreet underwear and wiggle, giggle, swerve and curve. 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Lets talk with art roderick, anthony may, and casey jordan. Good evening to all of you. I want to talk to you about whether this was homegrown terror, Workplace Violence, or some sort of hybrid. Why the consternation, Bernard Carrick . Im beyond Workplace Violence. This is terrorism. You know, i know people are having a hard time coming to that conclusion. Im not having a hard time at all. You have a husband and wife team who are devout muslim, according to family members, friends. You have thousands of rounds of ammunition. At least 15 pipe bombs. Combat gear. I personally dont think that their original target was this party. I think they went operational as a result of something that happened there. It was only a matter of time before they were going to go there. Art roderick, i have to say that officials are telling cnn that it appears that they were radicalized, they may have been radicalized. Well, i mean, i this whatever box it fits in. This is the problem we are running into, they want to stick it in a particular box. The bottom line here is they used terrorist tactics when they did this heinous crime and bernie just ran through the gamut of what they did. But thats the bottom line. They used terrorist tactics. The fact that they were fully armed and loaded and ready to go to another location is something a little different. I mean we have planning scenarios we have done in active shooter situations. But we really have to start look at two issues. Number one, multiple targets being hit at the psalm time or the individuals coming back after a period of time and hitting the same target while First Responders are getting there. Casey you have been saying all along you dont believe it was terrorism. I was saying it can be a mash up between the two. The tactical evidence does indicate terrorism but we have never seen terrorists go to their workplace and kill their colleagues. You can come to the conclusion of terrorism based on the tactics. We dont know what happened at that party. I buy the notion that they could have been planning Something Else but why go to the party. Obviously, they were planning something. I think it could have been premature. They have 12 pipe bombs or ied devices. Hundreds of tools that could construct ieds and pipe bombs. 2500 plus. 223 rounds. Several hundred. 22 long rifle rounds in the house. Enough to do so much more carnage and they were not successful. Where is their training . Where is their guidance for some political ideology. I get that it is consistent tactically. But the psychological of why they did it the way they did it remains a mystery. They left and tried to go home and dropped off their baby. You dont see this. And we had people, the millers just last year who killed copped in lakers and went on a spree. Extremist thinking can be manifested in a lot of ways. It can be mysogyny like elliot rodger. How did they get this way . That should be the question. When you see this weapons cache, what do you think . Well im going to have to disagree with the last statements that were made. You know, look, all those items that were collected either they had a big plot in mind, a terrorism type event, the only other time we see this is with drug dealers which is not the indication here. These devices and actually im seeing the pictures for the first time, and i find it rather amusing especially the one with the yellow im assuming a remote controlled car attached to the pipe bombs it tells me right off the bat these people didnt have the expertise they needed. It is amateuristic. Thats not how you rig the car up. Its the servos you use and not the car itself. Its not unusual throughout this country to see large quantities of pipe bombs. We see that all the time, usually with you know, gangs, drug members, stuff like that. 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Back now with my panel of experts. Bernard kerik, anthony may, and casey jordan. We have taken a lot of hits lately. Some justified. Much of it not justified. And it takes a toll. It takes a toll on all cops because its hard being its hard being labeled and being branded as being rogue and i guarantee you that no cop comes into this job with the mindset that great now i have ultimate power to be corrupt and to violate peoples rights. There are cops that go astray but the vast majority of officers, im talking 99. 5 of the officers they go out and do the job to protect the public. And yesterday just reminded me of that and solidified that in my heart and mindset. For that im thankful. I couldnt take my eyes off this interview. He speaks very well for a police officer. Art . Yes, im sorry, don. Yeah, no, ill tell you what, this is probably very therapeutic for lieutenant madden. He is right. He hit the nail on the head. He has seen stuff that people will never see in their lifetime. There is a process that not only victims go through but law enforcements after they have been involved in a traumatic situation and part of it is debriefing and talking with peers and discussing these types of issues. Ive been through that process in a couple of the shootings i have been involved with and for him to do that in front of the crowd and in front of the world, basically, was pretty damn good. He hit the nail on the head. Bernie kerik i spent time talking about the bad things that Police Officers do. But in these situations police run towards the danger. As someone who commanded the nypd on 9 11 and watched thousands of my men and women go into these buildings and the Fire Department and the Port Authority police i watched yesterday and i have to say, as an outsider watching this on the tv screen, the men and women that were out there, especially the special operations personnel, the s. W. A. T. Team members they did a superb job especially when it came down to the vehicle stop, securing the vehicle, clearing the vehicle, really, really well done. Theyve got to be commended and they are heroes in every aspect of the word and i think people in this country should realize thats what cops do every day. They dont care about color, they are not looking at color. They dont care who calls. They went and did a job that no one else would have the courage to do. You have to give them credit. Casey, he said this is therapeutic for them. It is. And cops have taken a lot of bad flak lately because of unrelated cases. There is a lot of anticop sentiment. They get an aplus for the way they handled this and the way they responded. When you saw the ocean of patrol cars responding when they had the shootout with the suv. We have to remember they will suffer for a long time. We learned this following sandy hook. Ptsd is not always covered by disability. Anthony may we have been talking about the miltization of the Police Department but now they are glad to have some of this equipment in San Bernardino. Thats right. The bear cat protected the victims as hay took the victims down. Its not an issue of the miltization of the police force its how they use it. I think there was a discussion about this very issue this morning on cnn where it was said quite clearly that it may have been San Bernardino county, im not really sure if this was used during a pro test, a different story. But in this situation, no one has issues with this top of equipment. It speaks to the fire power that police are up against on the streets. Well, exactly. I mean, the average cop is not equipped to handle on some of these issues. I worked in mexico several years back with the Mexican Government chasing down the access of explosives and grenades. We responded to a lot of the fire fights. 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