Muslim in charge of the country. And what can you say about this . Mr. Trump, we vote for mr. Trump yes mr. Trump we love you we love you. Were going to get into all of that and much, much more this evening. Ryan, whats the latest on joe biden tonight . Something very interesting happened this week, don. This may seem a little technical and obscure, but the dnc offers a briefing for everyone who wants to run for president. Its sort of a very detailed Technical Briefing about all the stuff you need to win over the delegates to win the nomination. And so for months now, theyve asked joe biden and his representatives, do you want to come into the dnc and have this briefing . Its been scheduled and canceled, and this week bidens representatives and the dnc official sat down and had this meeting. This is a meeting Hillary Clinton had and all five Major General prospects for the nomination. So people at the dnc think he might be serious about running. We were talking a couple days ago, ryan, about the family meeting at his home this weekend. Yes. So heres two ways to interpret this meeting, right . On the one hand, you could argue, okay, why would he send his representatives to the dnc to get all the very detailed information you need to figure out how to collect the delegates to win the nomination unless you were serious about running . On the other hand, i will say this. The information that he received, im told, was a little bit the representatives for biden were a little bit surprised by the timing issues, about how much he needs to do and how soon he needs to do it. There are filing deadlines in key primary states that are coming up. So you could say, well, hes just doing due diligence, needs all this information to make his final decision this weekend, which its reported hes going to do. Or ublyou could say, perhaps he made up his mind and this is the final step he needed to pull the trigger. You could read it either way, but its one clue that hes taking it very seriously, and were going to get an answer soon. All right, ryan lizza, i appreciate that breaking news, and another story thats breaking news, Kevin Mccarthy not taking his hat out of the ring to be speaker of the house. Dana bash, lots to talk about. Kevin mccarthy, what are your sources telling you . A lot of different reasons, a lot of different theories, but the bottom line is that Kevin Mccarthy felt at the end of the day if he could ultimately get half of the house of representatives which is required constitutionally for any speaker, it would have been a very, very difficult reign and that it was very clear just how difficult it was to get to what was supposed to happen today, which was just a nomination from his fellow republicans. He only needed half of the caucus, so 125 people, that it would have been really, really difficult for the next three weeks between now and october 29th when the whole house votes. He would have had to have made some real deals with the house of cards, some real horse trading with some of the conservatives that didnt want him to be in the job in the first place. Horse trading so much that he felt he probably couldnt have been an effective speaker. Theres that, and i talked with people close to him saying they didnt recognize him the past few days because it had gotten so tough, so intense, so much scrutiny and criticism that its clear it would have been a very tough slog, never mind over the next few weeks. But even when he gets the job, very difficult to do. You had mention the the procedure there. And i think you mentioned the constitution here. But what about the idea that the speaker of the house doesnt have to actually come from the house . The speaker of the house, it does not require that the speaker be an elected house representative. Its not, its not. We talk all the time about leadership positions in congress. That is all done by tradition but not by the constitution. The House Speaker is a different kind of thing. It is, as weve been talking about, second in line to the presidency, and there isnt anything that requires the House Speaker to actually be a member of the house. It has historically been that way, but it is why youve seen some protest votes on the house floor even in the past couple of years, people who didnt want to vote for, for example, john boehner or nancy pelosi. Put in names like ted cruz, who was a senator, or colin powell who is a retired general former secretary of state. Today weve been seeing some traffic on the internet that Newt Gingrich might be willing to come back in 2018, that representatives want him. It certainly would be out of the ordinary to happen, but its allowed. Interesting, clinton and bush in the race and now Newt Gingrich. Its the 90s all over again. I appreciate that, dana bash. I want to turn to the hugh hewitt show, and the Second Coming of a clinton era. Boy, we have a lot to talk about, mr. Hewitt. What do you think about mr. Mccarthy dropping out . I was stunned. There is a second line of stories youll have to deal with when it come to i mpropriety, which i would be shocked if they were true, ive known him for a long time. Heres the big news of the night i can confirm for you. Because i talked to a Senior Member of congress who knows it to be true. Paul ryan is actually reconsidering his shermanesque declaration that he would not run for speaker. You took my next question. Hes definitely sleeping on it tonight, praying about it. Hes a very sincere, very devout man and hes also a patriot. There isnt one house member of congress that would not cheer maybe one 245 of them would stand up and cheer if paul ryan wanted to be the speaker, and he could dictate terms. He could say, okay, this is what were going to do. He could lead, he could communicate, and most every member of the house caucus has campaigned with paul ryan. Now, there is a backup. There is a fellow named peter roscom who many members of your audience will know if theyve watched the benghazi situation. Very staunch National Security conservati conservative. He would be acceptable then jeb henchling from texas. Very much unlikely to be in, but i dont think if paul ryan wants to walk up, its his for the taking and everyone would cheer. Hes the odds on favorite. You know, its interesting, because i heard him today say, you know, he could actually win it but he would rather want all the members to vote for him. It seemed like an odd explanation, and i dont know if its what you think it is. Nobody wants what john boehner had happen to him which is have a Consistent Group of four or more conservatives go after you. That wouldnt happen with paul ryan. They would be having his back because he is a deeply conservative policy man who happens to have charisma and who happens to be able to communicate and have a national base. He could also raise a boatload of money for the National Republican congressional committee. Everyone would be happy with paul ryan. The country would be well served as well. Real quickly, donald trump is taking credit for this. Do we have a sound bite by donald trump . Can we play that . I want to just start by saying, you know, Kevin Mccarthy is out. You know that, right . [ cheers and applause ] and theyre giving me a lot of credit for that because i said, you really need somebody very, very tough and very smart. Smart goes with tough, not just tough. I know tough people, theyre not smart. Thats the worst. Thats the worst. You got to be smart. But we need smart, we need tough, we need the whole package. It wasnt really donald trump, was it . Was it mostly his comments about benghazi . No, i dont really know what made the Freedom Caucus not vote for him. Donald trump is a Meteor Strike on american politics, so he has shaken up a lot of things. Ted cruz is another Meteor Strike and he has shaken up the house dramatically. Lots of things are happening and theyre all for the good, because what this does is frame the republicans as the party of ideas. Out of this chaos will come a platform and a way forward. October 22nd is a waterloo for Hillary Clinton. I would look at every member of the house benghazi committee, ben jordan, mike pompeii, susan broox. I would look at those people and say theyve done an excellent job of National Security specifics without compromising the caucus. There is some turbulence now. It will be over in three days. People will forget it. Theyll look at the new speaker and rally around him. Have you seen this cq article that mentions ben carson . Lets put the article up. They use the full word. We actually blurred it out for you. I hope not. We wouldnt put that on television. Its titled gq article fbombs ben carson. Why do you believe they did that . They believe cliques matter more. Ben carson is a big target because ben carson has a big number. But hes also he is an outrage to a lot of people who are not traditional christian conservatives. Ben carson is a deeply devout man of faith. Hes also extremely skilled as a pediatric brain surgeon and he sees people who cant measure up to his standards. He says controversial stuff all the time. Hes a controversial character like donald trump. Im not surprised a reporter would use an inflammatory title to draw cliques. The writer doesnt always, and usually doesnt have anything to do with the headline. Somebody else writes the headline. I read the piece, though. There is a lot of profanity in the piece. Hes very good at his genre and hes a great sportswriter. I just wouldnt allow you do have a veto over your headline, so he could have vetoed that if he wanted to. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. Always a pleasure. Thank you, don. When we come right back, what ben carson said about the holocaust. Plus, president obama heading to oregon to meet with the families of the campus shooting victims. Why some people are angry about his visit. From mercedesbenz. Its got smallability and bigability. Towingability and stowingability. Rackability and hvacability. Its fully customizable and sized just right to give you cupcakeability, entourageability. Garageability and even affordability. Starting at 28,950. Available in cargo or passenger. From mercedesbenz. They speak louder. We like that. Not just because were doers. Because were changing. Big things. Small things. Spur of the moment things. Changes youll notice. Wherever you are in the world. Sheraton. Does your mouth often feel dry . 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They caused the internet to blow up from his appearance on this show, and republican strategist sherry jacobis. Thank you very much for joining us. I want to get to you first, mave. Did rubio mention Kevin Mccarthy dropping out . No, this was very traditional from marco rubio talking about the American Dream slipping out of grasp, and arguing that hes the new vision leader. Trump, though, did mention that earlier. Even took credit for Kevin Mccarthy dropping out. It was two very different crowds. With rubio, were here in sun city, so a retirement community, a lot of reliable republican voters. At the trump rally earlier today, there were actually a lot of local nevada folks which surprised some foam, but alpeop a lot of tourists coming off the strip and wanted to see the show. They mentioned mccarthy. Do you think this emboldens this news that Kevin Mccarthy is dropping out, this emboldens outsiders like trump and carson even more . Sure, absolutely. This is, you know, history repeating itself as it did with john boehner. A lot of people today in that outsider lane were declaring victory after this happened. And i think that it leaves people like jeb bush and john kasich and some of the other establishment candidates really wondering what their fate is going to be in this race. Rubio is trying to kind of straddle the line between, like, outsider and florida senator, so were going to see how that plays for him. He got a strong turnout here tonight. But its just been a really fascinating day that shows all the fissures in the Republican Party. Congressman king was on earlier tonight, and he said this situation makes republicans look crazy. Will the Democrats Use this, do you think, to their advantage, and if so, how . I dont think it makes republicans look crazy. Its entertaining, its a lot of fun, and i do think there are some seismic shifts happening right now. This is what our founders meant for the house to be, all raucous and rowdy and the senate is supposed to be aloof from people. If i were a democrat, i wouldnt want to have to go home and say i have to vote for nancy pelosi again. The democrats have an election as well. What this does do is focus the attention on some of the issues of congress, though. Its putting the spotlight on some members of congress that most people dont know about. I think ultimately its going to be paul ryan and not because he wants it so bad, but because he has such respect from his colleagues. And this will settle down. But i think its really ridiculous for trump or anyone else to take credit for this. Thats really pretty ridiculous. The Freedom Caucus right now does control a lot of it. They have some demands. Some are reasonable, they want to, you know, a regular order of the house. But they will calm down. Theyre actually losing a couple members who really arent comfortable with this notion of a handful of conservatives holding the Republican House hostage. Basically things are working the way theyre supposed to. Do you agree that things are working the way theyre supposed to, van, and that this doesnt make the republicans look crazy. I think it makes the Republican Party look completely nuts, and i also think the party is moving further and further in a direction that will make it very hard in 2016. The best possible outcome for this Republican Party right now would be for a paul ryan to emerge. He is a respectable person. Hes someone who i think can command a lot of respect. But if its not paul ryan and it winds up just being a loose ball for weeks and weeks and we have more of this, at some point ordinary people begin to ask the question, do you want this kind of chaos in the white house . Its perfectly possible they get through this and nobody can remember this past few days. But if it is not paul ryan, i think this party is in trouble. And by the way, i dont think there is a single democrat anywhere that has a problem voting for nancy pelosi. Shes actually well liked and well respected in the democratic party. I just want to say thats not a problem at all. I think democrats would vote for nancy pelosi 12 times on sunday. Unfortunately, the republicans cant find a Single Person to vote for. Don go ahead. That was very circuituous. You snuck that in there. I give you points for that. Go ahead. I think its interesting that were talking about, yes, paul ryan again. He was the guy who could kind of bring the sweet spot to mitt romney, they thought, who could unite conservatives and also establishment republicans. Obviously he didnt help mitt romney enough to do that, but it is really interesting that he is sort of looked to as the party savior and that tells you something about kind of where the Republican Party is at this point. Back to the democrats now, van, and everyone else. Hillary clinton taking a swipe at donald trump tonight in her campaign event. Listen. But as you know too well, many people in our own country dont see how vital latinos are to the United States and our future. They dont see that latinos are not strangers. Youre not intruders. You are our neighbors, our colleagues, our friends, our families. She was speaking at the congressional hispanic caucus. So, van, do you think clinton is going to use some of her ammunition in the coming days and even during our debate to trash donald trump . Well, she actually will and she should. Lets not forget that while we continue to do all this sort of pretending that its okay for the Republican Party to fall apart and everyone tries to polish that up, donald trump has said some of the most outrageous things about the latino community, about the immigrant community, calling them, saying theyre rapists, that theyre not sending their best people here. Hillary clinton should and Bernie Sanders should stand up and say actually some of the best people in the countries are here in the United States, including mexico, and really drive that point home, that, in fact, what he said is unacceptable. I think people like Hillary Clinton when shes on the attack. I dont think she like her when shes on defense. Shes been on defense for months. I like her going on the attack when it comes to donald trump, i like her going on attack when it comes to mccarthy. She is the one who drove mccarthy out of the race, not donald trump. We have to run. I think you probably disagree, sherry. I dont think trump is going to be the nominee, and i know you desperately want him to be because hes the only one who loses to hillary. Dont forget cnns democratic president ial debate tuesday, october 13 live from las vegas. Coming up, ben carson has said some pretty controversial things, but are they gaffes or what he truly believes . And how are voters reacting . 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He talked about how he would react to a gunman like the Oregon College shooter. Not only would i probably not cooperate with him, i would not stand there and let him shoot me. I would say hey, guys, lets not let him shoot us. He shouldnt get us all. So do you believe that islam is consistent with the constitution . No, i dont. I do not. In this nation, i absolutely would not agree with that. So carson has had to clarify some of his statements, but he also suggests that we, in the media, take some of his remarks out of context. I want to talk about all of this with charles bloat, and larry elder, the author of dear father, dear son. Good evening, gentlemen. Good evening. Larry elder first. To some these may be considered huge gaffes. But to his supporters, they seem especially daunting. Hillary recently just said the nra was likened to terrorists and communists. She said republicans who wanted to defund planned parenthood are similar to terrorists, and president obama said republicans who want to oppose the iran deal with making a common cause with iranian hard liners, those who are saying death to america and death to israel. So a lot of people are seeing these as selective outrage. And what ben carson said about not wanting a muslim president , you have to be practicing islam and not have a hard line between mosque and state. What he said about terrorists and charging gunmen, were celebrating chris minsk, the teacher who guarded his classroom and kept the guy from coming in there. I saw the movie about united flight 93 on 9 11 that stopped that plane from crashing into the Capitol Building or the white house. One point here, i think he was being questioned that he wasnt aware of chris mintz. He was shot seven times and the people on flight 93, sadly, sadly they died as well even though they did try to intervene. So, charles, do you think this is selective outrage on the part of the media or something beyond . I dont necessarily think its the media because i do think those things were covered in the media. I do, however, think that carson is digging himself a hole. There are two sets of voters to be aware of here. There is the kind of the republican primary voters which is the subset of a subset, and hes polling at about 18 to 20 of those. Thats not a large number of people. Then there is the voting block as a whole, the entire country, and i think hes doing himself an incredible disservice because his story is really incredible. It is an inspirational story, people have read his books. A lot of people were kind of forced to read his books and were happy to have done it. And we gave him a lot of leeway because of his kind of personal story, and he must be really brilliant because hes such a brilliant surgeon. Hes coming off as really like an antiintellectual, not being able to answer questions, not being able to answer them sufficiently to sounding insensitive on subjects like the shooting in oregon, and having to constantly come back and explain himself, or, as he has had to do as you pointed out on several occasions, to apologize for what he has said. Charles, is that his appeal, though . First we saw trump and now carson, they make these provocative statements, they ruffle peoples feathers but then it doesnt hurt them in the polls, quite the opposite. I do believe that, too. Two things are happening there, you get attention whether your name in the press is good or bad, and i dont think voters like nothing less than what they perceive as liberal in the media. That actually helps with you that base of voters. It still doesnt kind of catapult you out of the low 20s, 18 , 15 , but it does help you with a certain segment of that vote. Carson recently made some controversial comments regarding what he would do if he were in the mass shooting weve been talking about. This is the daly show, trevor noah. He pokes fun at him. Ben carson thinks he could rally people against a mass shooter. I think hes overestimating how inspiring his presence might be. Youre goi youre going to shoot me . Hey, guys, listen up. I need you all to rally behind my charismatic presence and charge with me in a certain death. Who is i mean, its funny, larry, but were carsons comments president ial . Well, as i was trying to say, chris mintz is credited with having dissuaded the gunman from entering the classroom and killing more people, and the united flight 93 people stopped that plane from going to the Capitol Building or the white house. They affected the outcome. So i think its very unfair to say charging a gunman or taking action into your own hands wont do some sort of good. Thats all ben carson was saying. Many people saw it this way, though, larry. They thought it was insensitive to the victims and some saying, well, you know, you may not have been attacked, or you may not have been killed, or you may not have been injured had you just jumped in. Was that insensitive, at least . No more was Hillary Clintons comments to republicans when she said planned parenthood is insensitive to terrorists, no more than those making the iran deal have in common with iranian hard liners. You give a pass for things democrats say if are equal or more outrageous. The name of the article is f ben carson. Do you think they would have done that to barack obama or a liberal . Gq has its own kind of editorial ethos in some sites and other magazines have their own editorial ethos, and i think you have to take that into consideration when you look at that. You could look at any number of what you would consider to be that they would not have done the same thing to someone who did not agree with them on policy. What i do believe, however, is that one of the things that is pointed out in that particular article, which is even a little bit more insensitive to me or a little bit more disturbing than even carson saying, you know, i wouldnt have just stood around and let somebody shoot me and then chuckling after the fact was him saying that he was actually in a situation where he was in what he calls a Popeye Organization i dont know what that means unless he was at the headquarters and he said somebody put a gun in his rib, and instead of him charging or anything at that point, he says he turned to the person with the gun and said, i think thaut you want the guy behind the counter. That is incredibly disturbing because its one thing to say, dont shoot me, this is not what you want to do, but to direct the gun to another person is kind of outrageous to me. You know how these fast food restaurants work. Very often these people are making almost no money. Very often theyre just kids. Who is he telling this person to point this gun at . I want to get larry quickly, please. If you can please react to that. I heard that story. I would love to talk to ben carson about what he meant. My suspicion is he meant he was trying to distract the person. But again, Hillary Clinton said she was under fire in bosnia in a helicopter. It turned out that wasnt true. People say things and lets verify them. What about the headline of the article about ben carson . Gq never in a million years would have said that about barack obama. You can malign a black conservative, thats okay. Theyre uncle toms, theyre sellouts. Theyre dangerous to the liberal cause. Thats why theyre able to get away with that. Coming up, president Barack Obamas trip to oregon tomorrow to meet with families of the victims of the campus shooting. Why some people are angry about that. Still not sure whether to stay or go on that business trip . Should i stay or should i go well this fall stay with Choice Hotels two times and earn a free night. When it comes to business, you always have a choice. Book now at the new choicehotels. Com president barack obama heading to oregon tomorrow to meet with the families of those gunned down on the campus just a week ago. But his visit is stirring up some controversy in the community. Joining me now is jeff ackerman. Hes the publisher of the news review in roseburg, oregon, and Arthur Sellers is an adviser to the house of representatives. Should he be going to oregon tomorrow . The same people who are criticizing the president for showing up in oregon are the same people who would criticize him if he decided not to come. Ive been in the building to visit the families of those gunned down in charleston. Just seeing the calm, the way the president was able to comfort those families is not something many people can put their fingers on. His visit is very needed and necessary, and im not sure what the issue is of people in oregon that dont want him to be there. Whether or not its barack obama or whether or not its ronald reagan, this is larger than the sitting president , this is about the president of the United States taking a trip to oregon. The roseburg beacon, which is a local paper, strongly rejects to the president s visit. Lets listen to what he has to say. The president chose the timing of his initial press conference at a time when we havent even counted the bodies. We havent identified the bodies. The president started the dialogue. He said, a lot of people are going to accuse me of politicizing this criminal event. I think he would have preferred it was a monologue, he could just have his say and nobody would respond. So the bodies have been identified now, but do you think a lot of people are saying the same thing, jeff . No, i think initially there was some sensitivity here in roseburg with the president s remark. It might have been obviously too soon for roseburg. You know, as mr. Jakes indicated, they hadnt even, you know, counted the bodies when their president went on and talked went straight to gun control. They had no information on the shooter, no information on the weapons, no information how he acquired the weapons, and he took the conversation straight to gun control at a time when, again, they were still pulling bodies out. As to whether or not he should visit now, thats really he between the president and the victims families. Its got nothing to do with mr. Jakes or me or really any of the folks who are objecting to his visit. The only thing that matters right now is that he could bring some comfort to the families of the victims, and if that happens, thats a good thing. Chris christie spoke out today about the president s speech. Listen to this. I think what the president did last week, quite frankly, was obscene. It was absolutely obscene and unfeeling to those families. And i just think, you know, that was the moment when i was watching that last week where i said to myself, hes tired of the job. So it has now become a huge political issue that people will discuss back and forth and use it as a talking point, vicari. Chris christie is polling about as well as i am in the race for president of the United States, so im not too worried about what governor christie has to say about this issue. But what i will say, people always want to kick the can down the road, but we have to Start Talking about gun rights and gun control in this country. Look, im in south carolina. Im a cwp holder. I have a concealed weapons permit. But i also know there are still too many guns in the hands of people who do not deserve to have them. Whether its charleston, whether its colorado, whether its oregon, when is the time were going to talk about this . We have too many dead bodies. We didnt talk about gun control after all those kids were killed in sandy hook. So when are we going to Start Talking about it . If children doesnt make us talk about guns in this country, when are we going to have that discussion . Youre a gun owner. What do you think . I think the conversation needs to be had. Id like to see it had after we bury our dead and after we care for our wounded and give the families time to heal. There is so much shouting and screaming going on right now were unable to hear the anguish in the families who are still mourning and still, you know, going through that process that they have to go through. All thats going on around them is people screaming at one another. Can we call a timeout and let these people have a chance to grieve and mourn . Don, if i may real quick. I mean, i hope my heart goes out to those families in oregon. I know what youre going to say but the cameras will go away and then no one will talk about it. Correct. Were still mourning the lives of clemente pinckney. Those families will go on and be forgotten. Im sick and tired of being sick and tired. I want to reach out to a family in charleston. They reached a 6. 4 million settlement. Walter scott was fatally shot by policemen back in april. I have to give a special shoutout to the legal team on that case. They did an amazing job. We have a special bar for justice. That settlement, of course, doesnt bring walter scott back, but at the end of the day, we have to start convicting people who are killing unarmed africanamerican men. Until we do so, it wont stop. So i look forward to this trial and hopefully we get a guilty verdict. Vicari and jeff, thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you so much. Its got smallability and bigability. Towingability and stowingability. 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Maybe youve heard about that, one of the most successful shows out there . And you ban the efforts of prison overcrowding and unfair sentencing. Piper, i want to talk to you about the show orange is the new black. Based on your own experience in prison, it shows the american nation just what its like behind bars. Lets take a look at it. Its a pretty big case. Criminal conspiracy. Thats what they charged me with. I carried a suitcase of money. Drug money. Once. Ten years ago. Whats the statute of limitations on that . 12 years. Thats tough. Well, i did it. That one time. 10 years ago. What did your lawyers say . He said the mandatory minimum with drug crimes he wouldnt recommend risking a trial, so i pleaded out. And here you are. Here i am. Wow. Powerful. You were in jail for 13 months for Money Laundering and drug trafficking. Its a broad question, but what was that like . You know, jail is a traumatic and terrible experience, and its designed to be. You know, prisons and jails are intended to be very dehumanizing and difficult places to exist, and thats part of the punishment of prison. Of course, we have far too many people in prison and we have the biggest prison population in the world, the biggest prison population in human history. So we have somehow become the most punitive nation in the world. You say, piper, that having a good attorney really made a difference in your case. Explain what you mean by that. Oh, you know, if every american who is accused of a crime actually had their sixth amendment rights respected, our prison system and our jails would look very, very different. But, in fact, 80 of people who are accused of a crime in this country are too poor to hire a lawyer to defend them in court, so theyre going to rely on our Public Defense system, and there are amazing public defenders out there, but there are also a lot of flaws in the Public Defense system, and we see that with worst Case Scenario false convictions. We have many, many people who have been exonerated from death row and capital crimes. We also know a lot of people are pleading guilty to charges they shouldnt be pleading guilty to, and are taking sentences thats much harsher than what really fit the actions theyve taken. And thats the problem of overcrowding. Youre the cofounder of cut 50 or cut50. You want to reduce the prison population over the next ten years. I want to ask how youll do that, but overcrowding and oversentencing, thats really the problem, isnt it . It really is. I just want to say piper kerman is one of about 90 alist celebrities that came out this week with this justi justicereformnow. Org petition, saying there are both in the house and senate good bipartisan bills. Republicans and democrats saying, were just locking up way too many people. President obama said he wanted to do something. Before i have to go to break, what do we do . Well, i think everybody should join amy schumer and piper and others. Sign the justicereformnow. Org petition and get our politicians to start reducing these mandatory minimums. Unfortunately, thats all the time we have. I appreciate both of you joining us. Piper, please come back. Van jones, of course, you know you work here, youll be back. Thank you very much for bringing light to the situation. Well be back, everyone. Hey honey. Huh. The good news is my hypertension is gone. So why would you invest without checking brokercheck . Check your broker with brokercheck. That reminds me. 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