Caitlyn jenner. No surprise she has a reality show in the works too. Will it answer all the questions . Well begin the broadcast with jim bob and Michelle Duggar speaking out about their son josh and his molestation scandal. Joining me now. Brian seltzer, cnns senior media correspondent and perez hilton founder of perez hilton. Com. Great to see both of you. Megyn kelly has a sitdown interview with jim bob and michelle tomorrow. Its a big exclusive but you have reportings behind the scenes about how this came about. As the parents prepare to answer questions tomorrow its been almost two weeks since the reports were first published. Now theyre willing to answer questions. The back story, why theyre deciding to talk to megyn kelly and who is helping them decide. We saw Mike Huckabee rush to their defense. He used to work for fox. It might surprise people the p. R. Person that helps out Mike Huckabee is also helping out the duggars. Its an example of the link or the connections that happen between the two. The name is chaz gallagher, the principal of legacy consulting. His p. R. Firm has been helping the duggars try to handle the crisis. They were instrument to pick which person got the first interview. They want to speak to their Christian Conservative base. They could have sought out a morning show interview. But by going to fox it seems like theyre going to speak to their base instead. Theyre working with the same p. R. Guys that worked with huckabee and goes to show the deep interest in the family. There is controversy about how this came about. How the information was released. Meghan has said she calls it quote, a like feasting on a carcass, right . And that the real outrage is in the leaking of the information to how this all came about. Take a listen. Because whats happened here is josh duggars private personal sealed records have been improperly released. That doesnt excuse any of his behavior. Its not meant to diminish it either. But the records of the young girls have also been released and in part their identity because the Police Records leave very little doubt about who they are and what family they are a part of. So all of this its one thing if the duggars want to talk about it. Well get into that. But the media didnt even pause. There is a question about why they were so excited to feast on this carcass. Is she right in that . The allegations are so horrible. I mean is there any, you know why would we focus on anything else . We should focus on how it came about, but that the other thing overshadows. I mean its common sense. Its a detail but the charges in the documents arent necessarily being refuted. We heard from josh duggar right away who said that he had done things that were awful. The charges are supposed to be sealed. Theyre sealed. Thats an important detail. You have heard that in the initial coverage about 11 days ago. Its slightly amusing that fox news barely covered the scandal until megyn kelly was able to secure the interview. Now theyll cover it more. Every story becomes political these days. This is clearly a left right red blue story. Lets try to see this for what it is. We need to know what happened to the victims. Thats hard to see, though when you describe how they got the interview. Go ahead, perez. Im curious to hear from them in their own words because its one thing to read a statement. Its another thing to see somebody look into their eyes and to be able to tell are they giving me a canned answer is this authentic. Do they feel theyve handled it in an appropriate way or not. I mean there are a lot of questions to be answered. Some of the victims were Family Members. Because were talking about Family Members. Thats something that megyn kelly was tiptoeing around yesterday. Well see if she goes at it directly in the interview. Thats one of the most sensitive parts about the story. Were talking about children. You are a parent. These issues these topics when you talk about that become very personal especially for most people but especially for parents. She said this is not going to be a crossexamination. This is an interview she wants and america wants. What would you like to hear from them . Id like to hear them respond to the allegations that the parents tried to cover it up. I dont know if theyll refute that or not. But that would complicate matters for me. How so . Because, you know if as soon as they found out they went to the authorities and they went to get their son help that would be one thing. But if they tried to you know keep that hidden it just leaves a very nasty taste in my mouth. What about the victims as well how the daughters are handling it right . Because they are the victims in all of this. But i want to ask you this. You were talking about the red state blue state, that sort of thing. Why do you think has that come about because of the christian part of this . Has it come about because of the huckabee part of it . Why is it . Sometimes it makes stories easier. I dont mean to make us all sound lazy watching it at home. Sometimes i do this. Its easy to fall back into the basic stereotypes. Its not always true. Its more you look at stories when theyre not just left and right and red and blue. In a case like this people tend to retreat to their camps. Were seeing it to some extent with Caitlyn Jenner as well. I hope this can go past that. Tlc has to think about a red state audience a heartland audience. Thats why they havent canceled the show or put it back on the air. Theyre not doing anything right now. Does it matter if the advertisers, the people who are paying you need to support your show theyve already spoken it appears, perez. Well they have in droves. I think that you know tlc set a precedent with how they handled the Honey Boo Boo situation. And i think now they just need to handle this one in a similar manner. Nobody is going to be watching the interview more closely than tlc executives. So far theyve sat back. They said this is a family in crisis well let them figure it out. Well now the family is speaking for the first time. Tlc will examine this and see what to do. I think theyre doing that already. Thank you, brian, perez. Stick around. Ill need you for a minute. I want to bring in crystal wright. Washington post reporter Hunter Schwartz as well and attorney and victims right advocate lisa bloom. Legal analyst for avo. Com. Good to see all of you. Hunter you wrote something for the Washington Post. Com today that the duggar story epitomizes the rise of red state tv. We were just talking about that connection. What do you mean by that . A lot of it has to do with the geography. You look at a lot of the early reality show families. And they started out in blue states. You have a lot of them in california. The osbornes kardashians, families on the real house wives of Orange County. By the mid 2000s networks started to branch out and film in different states. Red states. Rural areas, oftentimes in the deep south. You had the duggars, who live in arkansas the roberts who live in louisiana. Honey boo boo was filmed in georgia. Sarah palin and her family had a reality show on tlc. So this is a matter of geography and networks branching out. As that happened you started to see more Reality Stars who have conservative backgrounds, who perhaps are christians over the past ten years. Crystal, do you think that speaking of red state interviewings television do you think republicans have a duggar problem . I think america has a reality tv problem. America is addicted to reality television. Look republicans, myself included we like to watch televisions just like liberals do. I dont know this is any tlc and other networks are smart. They know that they had an audience a captive audience out there that was perhaps untapped. Lets not forget the kardashians are in california. We have the house wives franchise, i believe, was in Orange County which is in california a very liberal state. The bachelor and the bachelorette usually start out in california and migrate somewhere else. I have more of an issue with reality tv on a whole. Okay. But lisa many conservatives see a double standard in how people have pounced on this scandal. Do you think there is a very serious crime here thats that the serious issue at the root here that has nothing to do with politics,. Is that correct . Thats right. I dont see what the double standard is. The issue is whether the parents effectively protected they are daughters who were victims of sexual abuse thats admitted to or whether they covered up to protect their son and kept the perpetrator in the home. Went to a Police Officer who was a friend a year later. The Police Officer was later found to be a child porn enthusiast to a agree that he got 50plus years in prison for child porn. Now theyre going to a friendly tv network to do the interview. It doesnt seem to me like this family really gets it that it should be about protecting the victim at a minimum removing the perpetrator from the home getting him serious sexual predator counseling and not a slap on the wrist. Isnt this mostly the outrage at least about the hypocrisy of it because they hold themselves up as being sort of the moral fiber or fabric of society and everyone should imitate them . Isnt that what this is really about, not necessarily about that theyre conservative . Lisa . Absolutely. You espouse family values. Josh duggar was in a prominent position at the Family Research council, a conservative family values group. What does family values mean if you fail to protect your own daughters from a sexual predator . Does it mean opposing for example, lgbt and civil rights ordinances and transgender rights as the duggars did openly . If thats what family values means to them its appropriate for us to call them out on their hypocrisy. Why is it that it seems like republicans and not democrats who are forced to answer for stars gone wrong . Hollywood tends to lean left. So when were talking about celebrities who support republican candidates that leaves you with oftentimes country singers, athletes and Reality Stars. And so i mean thats part of the problem when you have celebrity endorsements in politics or elsewhere is you cant always control what they say and what they do. So thats part of the risk that you get when you take their support is sometimes youre going to have to make a statement about their actions. Crystal, i want to go back to something that you said. You said you think that you believe america or we have a reality show problem. Right. You dont blame democrats or republicans. You say its our fault for even watching the stuff . Absolutely. I think the reality shows prey on the growtesque or make their money, rather off peoples personal problems. I agree with lisa. I think the duggars have a big problem because they hold themselves theyre sanctimonious. They hold themselves on a pedestal and say we can procreate. We have 19 kids. Were highly religious. By the way our son molested girls when he was a young man, and its like theyre trying to i feel like excuse it away brush it under the rug. I have a big problem with that. I dont think its a conservative or democrat thing. I think its a real problem. When you put yourself in the spotlight like they did, they look lets remember. They agreed to make their life available to america at large and they have to pay the consequences for this you know. I think that it anyway i dont have any kind of sympathy for them and i think that megyn kelly saying that she is not going to crossexamine them is a problem for me. Megyn kelly is a journalist. We know that if that family had been liberal, she wouldnt be saying that. I think that they are actions are they need to face the music. He was head of the Family Research council, josh duggar which is a nonprofit that is in the business of holding up family values. Yeah. I think its a problem for conservatives. I would say the same thing, don, about what bruce jenner is doing. So were going to talk about that. Well have you here to speak about that as well. We may crossexamine you about that. We have a lot more on this. When we come back its not just todays reality tv. The 70s saw their share of train wreck child stars. Ill talk to one who battled his own demons and has a message for todays stars. Caitlyn jenner. Will she be a better parent than bruce jenner was. Mon teles mission. What is he doing to save a fellow veteran and why time may be running out. Meet the worlds newest Energy Superpower. Surprised . 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We may not pult our Reality Stars on a pedestal but some fall hard. Teresa giudice kept fans glued with her unpredictable antics but a federal fraud conviction of she and her husband meant the house wives star is doing 15 months in federal prison in connecticut. The ratings have taken a nose dive. Honey boo boo had her show axed when she was dating a former flame and now convicted child molester. Tlc may have called it quits with Honey Boo Boo but havent canceled 19 kids and counting despite accusations that brother josh duggar molested five girls as a teen including his own sisters. Danny bon danny bon duchy, no stranger to struggles himself with several arrests and past issues with sobriety says he is surprised tlc has not pulled the plug on the duggars. I think the line is when sponsors bail. Talking about the duggars, the sponsors will always bail at pedophilia. You cannot recover. Honey boo boo. Done over the same charge. Duggar posted an apology on facebook. Who can forget Phil Robertson of duck dynasty. Seth mcfarland didnt at the critics choice awards. His fortune in 2013 was estimated to be 15 million. Im also being declared a genius on the network that airs duck dynasty. This is a show a show whose cast members believe hurricanes are caused by gay marriage. Although a e initially suspended robertson indefinitely after he told gq magazine that homosexuality was sinful after vocal protests the controversial family head was put back on the show. I have to tell you its horrible horrible lines, but it is good tv. I dont respect anybody on the shows but i respect the people who are profiting from it. The 70s were different. Fewer channels. Sitcom was king. Kids across america worshipped their childhood idols. Our adoration met reality when the stars began to fall. America fell in love with buffy on family affair. Is that keeping us cool . The country was mesmerized by lunch boxes, dolls and clothes associated with her character. In 1976, the 18yearold was dead. An autopsy found an accidental overdose. The heart throb of every young girl in the 70s. David cassidy of the Partridge Family it wasnt until many years later when cassidy became all too human. Multiple dui arrests followed by nocontest pleas, followed by rehab. They rooted for the guy. They said wonderful things. They said im so disappointed in david cassidy. God bless him. I hope he turns it all around. The difference between these people like the duggars, nobody is saying god bless him, i love him. Nobody roots for him. The former Danny Partridge is currently a morning radio show host in seattle. He succeeded in putting his issues behind him but feels the duggars may not fail as well. Jean ca saris, cnn, new york. There he is right there. Joining me from seattle. I see the needle behind you. Danny, its a double whammy for you because you were a child star from the 1970s in the Partridge Family. You had your own reality show right . Yeah. Lets talk about reality shows first. These are people whose lives are put under a great amount of scrutiny. Can anyone anyone hold up under that pressure . Well i think that it depends. Whatever you shoot without a script is reality tv. You and i right ow are participating in reality tv. My reality show breaking bon duchy i think it was shameful and terrible. I feel that i i was pretty drunk around my kids and sold out my whole family. Why do people do it then . No matter if you look back in and you watch why does mavis get on the bus from kentucky and go to hollywood, its all about being famous. That seems to be the root of everything. And it comes down to the kardashians. Everybody else has a bit of a talent or a skill or something. But it was we discovered that Kim Kardashian is famous for being famous and shes great at it. Kim kardashian is famous for making a sex tape. Then shes famous for being famous. She became famous. Its beyond that now. And probably one of the most wealthy people in the country, or however you want to actresses or parliamentsersonalities. I watch the kardashians. Scott. Very nice boy. Scott disik is often plowed drunk on that show. I think, man, are you going to look back with regret. I wonder how much of it is real and how much is scripted. Lets be real. A normal family wouldnt make interesting television. Are these shows train wrecks on purpose or train wrecks waiting to happen . When you start, when youre watching a show and youre seeing you know the housewives of Orange County that you were talking about, i think that they all agreed going in hey, we need you to yell. We draw the line at hitting, even though they do it. Its one of my wifes favorite shows. I think they play it up because they want to keep their job. They replace the housewives pretty often. So i think they play it up. With how drunk theyll get, how mean theyll get. How many guys theyll sleep with. But pretty soon it becomes truth and pretty soon youre a drunk lady screaming. I said when i introduced you it was a double whammy for you because you had your own reality show and you were a child star in the 1970s. You went through some very tough times growing up in the spotlight. What was the most difficult part about that . About growing up a famous a lot of people and i think rightly so think it must have had a gigantic effect on me. But ive never known anything else. To say this anywhere besides being on television with you i would be condemned but ive been famous my whole life. I get less famous every day. So its what i do. It didnt affect my problems that badly. Of course its true. Youre right. When i was growing up you were the you know what. Yeah yeah i was what there was. Now im this. The truth is tomorrow morning ill wake up just a little less famous. You know right now i look like Danny Partridges father who didnt live well and it all was going to go away. Thats why you do things for the fame. I wonder though if there is any responsibility from the folks who find you know these children put them on television because when youre an adult, maybe you can deal with it better. But when youve been famous all your life and people have handed you things and you dont really have to go to normal schools i wonder how much of a responsibility goes just beyond that child star and maybe to dom of the network executives. I believe there is a business model. Its get sponsors and get viewers. I think if you can get sponsors and viewers, as long as were talking families. I think its the responsibility of the parent. If you see a parent strike a child you have a pull now. Before that its the parents job to mind their children. Its not the networks job to say, hey, youve gone too far. Do you have advice for some of the families going through this and a public scandal like the duggars . I tell you this. I say this all the time on the radio. I do a segment called life coach, believe it or not. Because ive been everywhere and have done anything. People call up and say this is what happened. What should i do . Sometimes the answer is just wait. If youre in a scandal. People remember forever. People will always say, danny, you fought your demons but don lemon is pretty nice to me. It will level off if youll just wait. Now ill be mean. We have this thing called the 70s here. I know you hate doing this. Partridge family theme song. Are you ready . Oh. I want you to know don, ive never sung this song ever. But in don lemon wants to do it ill do it. You ready . Yeah hello world, theres a song theres a song that were singing. Come on get happy. A whole lot of lovin is what well be bringing you were on the show. Five of us mom working all day we knew we could help her if our music was okay thank you. The 70s premiers june 11th. 9 00 p. M. Right here on cnn. Thank you so much my friend. Best of luck to you. 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More stimulating talk. Lord here we go. Zoe. Crystal wright and perez hilton. You got me at the end of the segment, joey. Youre like, youre a handsome man. Im black. I turned rust. You are a handsome guy. And a great singer. Thank you. Who knew. Thank you very much. All right. This has gone off the rails. Before it goes totally after the rails, you said it in april that trans people need an icon that bruce jenner is the worst possible choice. Do you still feel that way . In the Washington Post op ed . Did you say that . I did. And i felt that way. Im hoping to be proven wrong. Jenner has said clearly in this article that she is done lying, that Caitlyn Jenner is now going to tell the truth. So well see. But so far, again, im not real impressed because what were seeing is a rollout of a product. You know this is all about a product, a highly produced product. The photos are highly sexualized. She is very attractive. Well photographed. Does that bother you, that its highly sexualized . No not at all. To see a 65yearold trans woman being so sexy. But this is about sex. It is a statement. It is a product. And this is the continuation of the kardashian line. Perez is about to jump out of his chair now. She is a jenner after all. Sex is great. Selling stuff is great. But just like myself and don are not representatives for our multicommunities were members of caitlyn is one of many voices. And i think, for the trans community, not a trans person myself there needs to be more visibility. So the more people who are open about their gender the more change, the more dialogue in households where real hearts and minds will be opened. I think its great that im not the only transgender person on the air now. Laverne cox would agree with you. This is the first time crystal has not said anything. Crystal, you have two people on who are outtalking you. Not everyone is really so happy about this. Erik erikson, who works for fox now, he wrote for red state. Com. He used to work for cnn, by the way for transparency. He said if an alcoholic told you that his authentic self was to drink, you wouldnt encourage that. If a person said it was to be attracted to small boys you wouldnt encourage that. If he told you his authentic self was to mutilate his body you wouldnt encourage that. When a 65yearold former olympian says he has decided after all these years that he is a she, your first reaction should not be to congratulate the man on finally finding his authentic self but steering him into therapy. Whats your reaction crystal . I dont care what bruce jenner is or what he calls himself. I think bruce jenner is doing this for bruce jenner. Its very much a product. Its a promotion. I dont think its good for the transgender community. Whats wrong with doing it for himself . I dont particularly think it will help young people really struggling. You know what my mom said today . I think my mom is right about a lot of things. She said whats next . Black people were going to all of a sudden start bleaching our skin because we dont like being black . Were going to be on the cover of vanity fair . I guarantee you, don, nobody would want to shoot you what does that have to do with the price of tea . People have been bleaching themselves forever. Theyve not been doing hydroquinone to the agree of michael jackson. Its not something that black people wake up and say, hey, i think i want to be white today. What does that have i dont know what this has to do with being trans. It has nothing to do with it. I am making a point. You asked me about erik erikson. Eric had a point in that what hes saying is if a black person all of a sudden said that i just dont think im black anymore, you would everybody would go what . I think were giving bruce jenner caitlyn, whatever you want to call her too much attention. I still dont understand the connection. What am i getting wrong here . I dont understand the theyre clearly not as supportive as i would have imagined. Hang on. Because here is the thing. I think youre saying that if someone doesnt like that they have curly hair they get straight hair. If they dont like straight hair they get curly hair. Thats a whole different thing than being born feeling that youre born in the wrong gender. Thats not the same thing. Caitlyn said it herself. May i interject for a moment . Lets let the trans person go ahead. I want to say one thing about caitlyn quickly. I think real courage is not trying to make money, millions of dollars off of coming out and having changing your gender. Real courage is not doing this in the public way, trying to sexualize photos in vanity fair, because the average transgender person really struggling could never have that kind of reception and is never going to make millions of dollars off their struggle. Real courage, what bruce jenner is doing and caitlyn is not courage. Yes, it is. Courage is living your life and not committing suicide. Real courage is doing what you need to do to live. Bruce, caitlyn loves his family. Weve seen that on television. The last thing that caitlyn would want to do is hurt her family. You know the suicide rate of transgenders . Renee richards i know this. Listen. I agree with you about the average trans person. That needs to be addressed. But i dont see anything wrong with anyone making money, whatever. Make your money however youre going to make it. You had a problem with the duggars. We talked about a segment where the duggars are being for doing something illegal. Hang on. I dont have a problem with the duggars making money off a reality tv show. I have a problem with child molestation. Thats an issue. I have a problem with it too. Let them make their money. I have to take a break. Im going to take a break and then let you respond, zoey and well continue the conversation. Well be right back. 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Go you always have a choice. Book now at choicehotels. Com we took a breath. Were having a heated conversation with Caitlyn Jenner. Zoey tur, crystal wright and perez hilton back with me now. These conversations are happening around the country. Pull this back on the rails for us zoey. Go ahead. One thing some of your guests are conflating publicity with something thats very serious. Gender dysphoria is a brain anomaly. You can see it in mri and ct scans of the brain. It can only be cured, fixed with hormone replacement therapy and for many sexual reassignment surgery. This is something you treat with hormones. Jenner does suffer from gender dysphoria. He has received the diagnosis. Has two medical clearance letters. The same thing i have went through. To conflate this with some sort of publicityseeking behavior is absurd. The way jenner is packaging this and packaging the transition may be a different story. You can argue about the way theyre rolling jenner out as a product, but the underlying issue, and then also quoting some troglidite that calls it a Mental Illness is absurd. The dsm was changed to reflect that. In 2012 right. What were talking about is a very serious issue where we have up to 69 of trans people or transsexuals attempt suicide. So were talking about a staggering number. To get into a yelling match with a crystal, who is obviously a narcissist and an entertainment show person with a blog site conflating this this is absurd. And its not helping move the issues forward. Yeah. Zoey i love you but lets not call names. I understand crystal a lot of people feel the way you feel i dont understand your comparisons. I dont want to beat up on you. You think most people in america understand though what zoey is saying that its not its not what people think it is. This is a medically diagnosed condition. Well i think zoey makes some really good points. I dont think people i think it is a medically diagnosed condition. But i im not going to namecall because thats im not going to challenge what zoey feels and believes. But i have a right to believe what i believe. And thats thats zoey started off the conversation by saying that she was very bothered by the sexualized pictures of bruce jenner. I mean i didnt say that. No. She didnt say she was bothered. She said that they were very no. She didnt. Maybe i heard something else. She said they were sexualized. You cant hear when youre talking. Youre talking over me. I was trying to answer questions. Okay. Lets have a constructive conversation. Im trying to have a constructive conversation don. I did not interrupt zoey. My point is this. I do not i have a right to my perspective, and i think a lot of people who maybe come from a different point of view and who havent struggled with being transgender look at what bruce jenner is doing and i dont think hes not i think he is caitlyn now. I believe that. Thats not what i said. I dont like the fact that he is capitalizing off of this doing it in a very public way. I know a person who is going through this struggle. It might surprise you. You know thats like saying you know a black person. And she is a she now. Caitlyn jenner is a she now. Actually the person im talking about is not a she now. I said i know somebody. Caitlyn jenner is a she. I think what bothers a lot of people like me and erik erikson is exactly how youre behaving zoey. We do not agree with what bruce jenner is doing. I think some of i think he she, caitlyn, believes is who she is today. I think she did this in a very calculated manner to make millions of dollars to pay for her malibu home they are porsche. I find it yes, caitlyn. She has a mortgage to pay. There is nothing wrong with that. There is no road map i have a right to do this. And Renee Richards who was one of the first people to go through this in a very public way, Renee Richards who you may know famous tennis player has come out and advocated against the surgery because she said that she believes that her she still doesnt feel matched. And there is a lot of Scientific Evidence that shows that when people have this operation they commit suicide. Im so sorry. I have to go. As zoey said before not everyone will do it in the same manner. When there are trans people now coming into the spotlight now, people will do it differently. Thats what progress is about, diversity, even within the trans community. Thank you all for sharing your stories, i want all of you to come back. This is a tough conversation many people are having. Im overtime now. Im going into a. C. 360. When we come back, Montel Williams williams. His mission to help a former marine corps veteran. charge music you wouldnt hire an organist without hearing them first. 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Short phone calls once a day with my mother primarily. Prior to that we had no communication with him. He is one of four americans currently being held prisoner in iran. Thats correct. You and their families testified before the House Foreign Relations Committee this morning. I want you to listen. As a tourist amir was kidnapped from the home of his relatives and taken to a prison. As a tourist he was held in a one meter by one meter cell allowed out for only ten minutes a week to stretch his legs. He was beaten on his feet with cables tasered repeatedly. He was held for months in solitary confinement. Sara what is it like to imagine your brother in those conditions . I cant even look at our coffee table the same way. I cant look at a dressing room the same way. For any of you that can imagine being in a one meter by one meter space, imagine being in that for several months backtoback and not being allowed to come out of it for more than ten minutes once a week. I cant. Its so difficult and traumatic for my family. I dont even know how my brother, when i hear his voice, when he calls, he still sounds like the same brother. But i cant imagine what his mind has gone through. You say as a tourist. What was he doing there . So he had never been to iran. We were all born and raised here. I have gone twice in the past. And this was his first trip because my grandmother is elderly. It was hard for her to visit the u. S. He was there for two weeks. He obtained a tourist visa and was able to travel. And within the twoweek trip he was about to return home which is when they captured him. Montel you were in d. C. Supporting these families today. Why is this so important to you . Weve spoken about this before. Why is it so important to you . You have said don, as a tourist. He was there and hes in prison right now because he wore or uniform. He was oun of the people out here protecting what we call our freedom, our constitution. This family is the perfect american dream. Immigrants who came to america. They were so proud of the fact that they had an opportunity for their children and they applauded their son when he enlisted in the marine corps and decided to serve for our country. The reason hes being held right now because supposedly the charge is he did cooperating with the enemy. Well he was a marine. Thats why hes in prison. Thats the reason im involved in this don, number one we leave no marine behind. We also have to understand we have people right now that want to make sure we go to war as quickly as we can again and the same marines will question if i get in trouble later, are you going to come and protect me . Ive got to say this real quick. This family is doing this all on their own, don. Theyre not getting any, you know cooperation and theyre not really getting any money or support. So please if you can let me say this. People who are listening right now, go up on give for. Com free amir. You can follow me on montel underscore williams and put up the free amir now. Please. Thank you clp. the website is up right now. Youre welcome, of course. Are you worried this is not getting the attention it needs because of the larger Ongoing Nuclear relations with iran . Should this be part of that deal . You know we commend the u. S. And iran for having a nuclear deal. Amir is not part of any deal. He is a human being. Especially an innocent one. Hes committed no crime. Our plea is for diplomatic release. Amir himself wanted an unconditional release. Thats our push. We want to create a humanitarian gesture. There are multiple outlets for iran to help free amir. We hope they comply with them. One more thing, don. In the last couple of days please believe me the coverage that weve had for Caitlyn Jenner and the coverage that weve had for a lot of the reality things that are going on in america, you know are necessary. Caitlyn is doing something thats really brave. But here is a family that has a real reality show. Living for four years trying to get their Family Member out. You know we have two Million People sign up to hear caitlyns story. Were barely getting a couple hundred thousand people. A hundred people to sign up to listen to the fact that the only reason why that story is able to be played is for machinesrines and soldiers who put their lives on the line. Please. Were covering a lot of things today. The news is so fragmented. We dont want the story to die after today. Montel. Sara rami thank you. Thank you very much, don. Well be right back. As fish oil. But when it comes to omega3s, its the epa and dha that really matter for heart health. Not all omega3 supplements are the same. Introducing bayer pro ultra omega3 from the Heart Health Experts at bayer. With two times the concentration of epa and dha as the leading omega3 supplement. Plus, its the only brand with progel Technology Proven to reduce fish burps. 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