50 year. Dont break out the mojitos just yet. Not everybody celebrating two. People couldnt disagree go headtohead on whether this is good or bad for america. What does it all mean for president obama . Commanderinchief looked like he was on the ropes after midterm elections. But with the deal in cuba, action on immigration, improving economy is barack obama turning his presidency around . Well get to all of that. A lot to get to tonight. I want to begin with justice correspondent, pamela brown, she has the the latest on the sony hack. Pam, do twe know if north korea did this on their own . Is their technology that capable . Well, that is the big question. Sources i have been speaking with say initially when all the clues were pointing to north korea, some investigators were shocked that they had the sophistication to be able to pull this off. But i am being told that, that the understanding, the belief in the u. S. Government is that this was coming directly from the north Korean Leadership. Given the fact that north korea has such a tight control of the internet. And also the country is known to have this group of elite hackers if youve will, called buro 121, the country poured a lot of resources into the group. And known to be behind the attack against south koreas banks last year. And there could be possibility, that theyre behind it or korea outsourced it to a group outside of the u. S. , outside of north korea. We hope to learn more when this announcement is made. And i will, on that note, point out that the nsc, National Security count still release aid statement tonight saying the u. S. Government is working tirelessly to bring the perpetrators of this attack to justice and we are kidding a range of options in weighing a potential response. Don, that is the big challenge here. How will the u. S. Respond once it calls out north korea. What about the threat that the hackers made threat, yesterday, against thelters. How serious is the fbi taking this . Do they kid this terrorism . Well, yes, i think it is being considered by a lot of people, cyberterrorism. This is hacking like we have never seen. Taken to a whole new level. We have seen the callout from it, don. To the point that now, a movie is being pulled. I dont know that i have ever heard of this happening before. So, yes, its being taken seriously off to the point where the fbi did send out an internal memo we are being told off to cybertask forces in the field to coordinate with Law Enforcement folks to make sure theyre aware of this threat and theaters are protected. We are told by sources there is no intelligence indicating there is any active plotting taking place. But it is just amazing, don, to see what a Ripple Effect this has had. Absolutely. Correspondent pamela brown in washington. Thank you, pamela. Joining me, alan dershowitz, author of terror tunnels and cnn Senior Analyst jeffrey toobin. Sony canceled the release after five chains said they wouldnt run it. Did they cave to blackmail . Of course they did. Lets point the finger at north korea. They declared war on our 1st amendment. And they have won the first victory. This is pearl harbor on the 1st amendment. We have to decide huh to respond. We must respond. First of all, sony, i think made a terrible mistake. Not in pulling it from the theaters. But in not announcing theyre going to make ate available free on the internet so that millions of people could watch it or at lest make it available on demand so that people could watch it outside of context of theaters which endanger our morals and endanger people. This way people can choose whether to see it. We cant give them a total victory over our First Amendment. Pearl harbor . Was this, do you think this was a mistake by sony . This is a very big deal. This story started out for a lot of people as sort of a joke. That a seth rogan movie could be a serious issue. What north korea has learned is that they stop a movie. Which means they think they can stop a newspaper or aster that they dent like. Or stop a Cable News Network if theyve dent look what we are broadca broadcasting. That is a very chilling message. And ufrptly, i understand why the movie theater. It wasnt sony that pulled the movie. Really the movie theaters that refused to show it. Those are separate companies. But to alans point. They didnt say we would release it on the internet. That may yet happen. It only was pulled from the thelte theaters today. But this is a very big deal. We have to figure out a way to respond. It is early on. Doing nothing has a big cost. Coming attraction. Yeah, sony said theyre not going to release it digitally. Yeah. Early on. Only a coming attraction. You think that north korea is tough. Wait till iran gets a nuclear bomb so that we cant anything to them the way we cant do anything to north korea. Wait till, the first movies come out that do anything to criticize islam or criticize arab or muslim countries. This is the beginning of a process that could really have more of an impact on our 1st amendment than the New York Times vs. Sulliv sullivan. Freedom of expression and speech. Lets listen to the president. He spoke to abc earlier and talked about the cyberattack. The cyberattack is very serious. We are investigating it. We are taking it seriously. We will be vigilant. If we see something that we, think is serious and credible, then we will alert the public. For now, by recommendation, my recommendation would be people go to the movies. This is before sony made the announcement. Is this a mod now for blackmailers or terrorists . Absolutely. And remember, this is only the entertainment part of the business, the economy. Think abut this sort of attack on a bank. Or a brokerage. Where, you know, the lifeblood of eat can me works. I am not a cyberterrorism expert. I dont know how, how extensi extensively they can. Sony is a major corporation. They had the unusual kind of protections in place. If they can diet to sony. It sure looks they can do it to anybody. To both of your points. The hackers leaked embarrassing emails, a last stars, from executives. Issued. They went further. They said the world will be full of fear. Remember the 11th of september, 2001. We recommend you keep yourself distant from the places at that time. If your house is nearby, you better leave. This is a direct threat of physical, violence, at moviegoers and people who go to the mall. This is also an attack on christmas. Lets be very clear about that. One of the reasons christmas had no choice. This could affect christmas shopping. The way Christmas Day is, celebrated. It could affect not only this, this movie, but an movie playing in the same complex. In a way thats more serious than the hacking. Because, there is no, if, if you can simply send an email and bring a movie to a halt. Thats you know, thats, an incredible statement about what, and, but the thing i think people need to realize is that, responding to that has a cost to. Backing away has a cost. We learned the government is going to name north korea as the the culprit. You said you are not a terrorism expert. The state sponsored terrorism, is that what it is. State sponsored terrorism. There its a prelude. When Yale University press refused to print the cartoons that they wrote a book about because they were fearful that students at yale might be physically attacked. The muslim, the mohamed. Cartoons. That was a capitulation as well. So we are seeing a process. And, there is, there is no, as jeffrey has said there is noened to this. Because if this succeeds, it doesnt stop with entertainment. Give this to me quickly, do you think north korea has capability to carry out, carry out 9 11style attack. Depend what you mean by 9 11 style attack. A, a small bomb. 9 11 was not technologically sophisticated. It was box cutters. They have box cutters in north korea. But do they have suicide bombers. No sul chur of suf side the way there has been in other parts of the world. I dont think they have the infrastructure to do it. They dont have to. All they have to dupe is threaten credibly. I want to bring in sharon waxman, editorinchief of the wrap. Thank you for being here. Remind our viewers, the movie is about cia asking an interviewer with a talk show and producer to kill north Korean Leader kim jungun. Lets watch. You are going to been a room alone with kim. The cia would love it if you could take him out . Huh . Take him out. For coffee. Dinner. Kimchi. Take him out. You want us to kill the leader of north korea . Yes. Americans are going a seth rogan movie. This plot is absurd. With the risk of an attack against theaters did the owners have any real choice here . Did the owners have any real choice. They absolutely had to cancel the movie. Iffage in if there was a hair damaged on the head of a single moviegoer because of anything that might relate to north korea threatening a 9 11style attack. Legal lie built team. Not a lawyer in the room. You have a couple major lawyers. Legal liabilities are logically speaking are huge. And of course nobody wants that moral responsibility. Once you have that. I mean we all knew, all of the, who cover this story extensively in hollywood knew it was a matter of time. In fact. Alan and i had the conversation on your show, seemed impossible the interview would be pulled. Collapsed in the past 24 hours. There would be no legal liability. But there would be moral accountability. They could have kept the movie going. And they wouldnt be responsible if the moviegoer went into the movie. I want to read this. A director producer. I think it is disgraceful that these theaters are not showing the interview. Will they pull any movie that gets an anonymous threat now. How about that . Where is the line . Is the question . They yea tiff community has been upset. And a very close friend of seth rogan, a group of comediennes, they support each other. Very vocal on social media. In favor of continuing to release the movie. He doesnt have to face consequences if something goes wrong. Want to point out something that does not steam to be part of the discussion. Where are our responsibilities and our exercising of the First Amendment. Those of us in the media and those of us making movies and those writing abut the community that makes movies which is to say, where is the, what is the thought process behind making a movie in which we decide to depict the the, for our amusement, the assassination of a living foreign leader. Right. We are not allowed to cry fire in a crowded theater. That is part of the responsibility of our First Amendment rights. And so i think that common sense also has to prevail when we exercise our artistic freedoms and First Amendment freedoms. Stand by, everyone. I am going to talk about hackers now. What do we know about the hackers who brought down sony and what are they capable of joining me, ceo of mitnick securiti. Com. Once one of the fbis most wanted after hacking 40 major corporations for the challenge. We need to hear from you. Are the hackers celebrating tonight . Is this a win for them . Well, a win for, either the hackers or the people that ordered them to do the attack. They got a movie pulled which is, i couldnt believe it was actually, they complied with the hackers demand. But i could understand the liability issues if theyre there. Yeah. Thats definitely a win for them. Unfortunately. Kevin, help us understand the soap fist kags of this attack. If hackers can cause this level of havoc. What else could they do . Take out a power grid . Damage our Banking System . Well there has been attacks on Critical Infrastructure where allegedly the chinese have been able to get in. This is what i do for a living. Companies hire me to break into their networks and systems to test their security. Amazingly, our success rate is 100 . Its not hard to break into a Major Company these days. Especially one with sony. Their attack surface is so huge because they have so many systems to attack out on the internet. So it is really hard to defend against these attacks. Until the Security Industry matures and comes up with better technologies for come pans few use, i think this is going to happen again and again. Kevin, danny zucker, executive producer, of modern family. Heres what he tweeted to night. America will never give in to the demand of terrorists. Unless they dont look our movies in which case we will fold like a beach chair. What message do you think this send to hackers around the globe . Whats the takeaway, the fallout today . Concern is copycats. Now that the movie was pulled. Because of the hacking. Whats to stop other hacking groups out there that want to send a message. Braex into a company. Post information. Make demands. Threaten violence. It could happen again. I think it was a bad move to pull the movie. Im not a lawyer. I dont know the liability. A shame that these particular group, you know, these are different types of hackers. More like cyberterrorists. They cant hide behind. What theyre doing theyre giving hackers a bad name. Because this is, really unprecedented behavior. They cant hide behind legal lyability. There is no legal liability if everybody was on notice. They say you go to the movie at your risk. There is no legal liability for exercising a First Amendment right to show the movie. Economic consequences, moral consequences. They cant hide behind legal lie built team. None of the Hollywood Studios. Thats the story we had on the site today. Other studios have major movies also opening the same day were upset that sony didnt pull the movie earlier because theyre concerned about how it impacts the audience that is turning out for their movies. Wait a second. Lets talk, the other studios. What a profile in cowardice they have been. Why havent they come out and supported the fact that this is a threat to the entertainment business as a whole. And so where is disney . Where is paramount . Where is Warner Brothers . Before you answer, sharon. The Hollywood Reporter is saying new regency studio, dropping plans to produce a film set in korea. Starring steve carell. We broke the story this morning. Got to take credit where credit is due. Steve carells movie, pyongyang has been pulled. A direct response to this. Yes, where the studios, if you are looking for more rectitude and spying from Hollywood Studios you are definitely looking in the wrong place. But i would say in their defense, their responsibility is to their shareholders. And if they feel that theyre, put at risk. By standing in solidarity with sony. Which they would be. Then they have a responsibility to look out for their own interests before they look out for their a business call. Has self censorship begun . Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. The issue is. Who is going to decide who makes our movies . Is it going to be the executives or the leadership of north korea. The terrorists win. The terrorists win. Lots also be. Lets be honest. Lets be honest for a second. There are lots of villains offliof offlimits. Including china. How big a market. China a de facto editor of hollywood movies. Only about canada. Did the terrorists when today . Yes. You bet. Ys they did. They probably will do it again. Thank you. Thank you, everyone. Appreciate it. A lot mr. To got to on the sony hack attack. Next, president obama says he should go to the movies without fear. 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Washington knows and believes north korea was responsible. Now what the consequences are we will have to see. There could be a tit for tat of sorts. In response to this. I dont think you can take too many more steps to, isolate, north korea since it is the most isolated regime in the world already. But i think that, that this is obviously a matter of concern for the United States. In the level of success the hackers had in laying waste, digitally to a major, international corporation. To follow up what you said. What can the u. S. Do, jay . Well i dont think the u. S. Can do anything directly. I think president obama and other leaders should speak out for for the First Amendment. Should discourage actions like the one that sony took in theaters took. That, that basically caved to these kind of threats. I think that the, suggestion mentioned earlier, that, sony should have, and could still despite announcement today, make a film available digitally so people are safe in their home, own homes when they watch it. Thats what they should do. Right now, you have a bunch of hackers in north korea. A rogue regime in north korea. Basically deciding what americans and viewers around the world can watch. Carl, carl. On the show on monday. You told us you were hacked. Hacked. The hackers had succeeded in scuttling the interview that movie. What areimplications to free speech here . Theyre terrible. A terrible moment in our cultural history. Terrible momenten our National Security history. A craven moment. But also about unprincipled capitalism. And i would hope look, we heard the president say people should go to the movies. He must have good intelligence that says, i havent seen anything indicating a real threat. To people going to the movies. The fbi or National Security apparatus thinks is an imminent danger. There has been some craven behavior. On the part of one of our Major Industries in the country. The Entertainment Industry. The heart of it. Huge company. That has been ham handed from beginning to end. In this, i say this. Sadly, somebody who has a project that may not go at sony. But you couldnt ask for, for anything worse in terms of who we are as a people. Or a culture. And the white house, i would think, not in the business of giving the white house advice. Some how has got to put a little spine into the people in hollywood. Im sitting here in hollywood right now. A terrible moment. It requires some real response. Quite different than what we have seen from the Entertainment Industry. And sharon talking about the spent to stockholders. If thats what this as it but. Were in terrible trouble. Didnt do yourself any favors if you are looking to get a project off the ground. Want to read what Newt Gingrich tweeted. No one should kid themselves. With the sony collapse, america has lost its first cyberwar. This is a very, very dangerous precedent. Carl, what message will isis or the taliban or any other terror group take from this capitulation . Its obvious. Newt gingrich and i arent on the same page often. We are here. Its tearablrr terrible. Any lone wolf terrorist can inhibit. Scare the hell out of big businesses we have capitulated to a force, we dont negotiate with, with kidnappers. This is a similar kind of question. What are we doing here . By saying, oh, lets let the guys just come in and have their way. I would hope that, that the white house with the Entertainment Industry figures out a way to somehow insist that this movie get out there. Also, i think that we ought to really go back to sharon waxmans question though. What the hell was sony thinking of in the first place about a movie with an exploding head of the north Korean Leader . Held thold that thought. Seth rogan was at the center of this. Lets listen. We wanted to make a movie that had one foot in reality, something we as filmmakers like. And think is interesting. As audience members as well. Is it appropriate to make jokes about real things in the world . I personally think it is property to make jokes about real things. Did you think about changing his name. Calling him phil jungun. We did. Then we thought whose feelings are we trying to spare by doing that, kim jungun . The real question is what were they thinking. Well answer that coming back. Gentlemen. Stay with me. When i come back i want to turn to the other big story tonight. The story opening cubas doors to america for the first time in 50 years. How did president obama hammer out a deal behind closed doors and at the white house. How are people reacting in the miami neighborhood of Little Havana tonight . Chris cuomo is there. Hi, chris. Check on a claim. You know, all with the ah, tap of my geico app. Oh, thats so cool. Well, i would disagree with you but, ah, that would make me a liar. No dude, youre on the jumbotron whoa. Ah. Yeah, pretty much walked into that one. Geico anywhere anytime. Just a tap away on the geico app. vo rescued. Ed. Protected. Given new hope. During the subaru share the love event, subaru owners feel it, too. Because when you take home a new subaru, we donate 250 dollars to helping those in need. Well have given 50 Million Dollars over seven years. Love. Its what makes a subaru, a subaru. Back now with jay carney and Carl Bernstein. Carl, what were they thinking . Sony . I dont know. I dont know what they were thinking. It seems to me that they had china or russia made a movie that, that its biggest studio put out a movie, showed obamas head exploding and guts flying out. I think it would be reprehensible the way we view it. It doesnt show great judgment. I ser tonalcertainly believe in right to do it. Part of the difficulty here. Jay . We need to uphold their right. I think sony is clearly on its heels, they have been, laid to waste digitally by the hacker attack. A lot of embarrassing information has come out. I just think they must have decided the risk of some kind of attack while viewers were watching their movie was too great to bear. They made a big mistake all. Up athank you. Guys. I will turn to Historic Deal to open cubas doors for Americans First time in 50 years. Not everybody is cheering. Cuban americans are divided on the news. Cnns chris quo cuomo live in le havana. Whats the reaction . All right, so, don. This is the scene done here in Little Havana. But take it the right way. This is what happens when there are big announcements what is going to happen with u. S. Cuban relations. Cuban Community Comes here. Versailles cafe. All very well known in the area. There is a reason. Jerry, turn around. Well show you. You see this, the outcropping of versailles. This all says the sign here this is where the cuban Community Comes to remember what was taken from them and how theyre able to not live with freedom as cubans back home. They come here to discuss it. So heres whats different tonight. See this man here with the flag on. This its what ys what you didn . This is removing of sanctions. He is not cuban. He is spanish. That is creating conflict here. Because the old guard and the Cuban Community feels that anything you do to relax any of the tension on the cuban government is a mistake for the people there who need help the most. This has been going on. Its a familiar dynamic here. Little different thatup have someone with an opposing view that is getting attention. This is what happens. People come here and they express what they feel. And there is much engrained doubt and anger about what will happen when things are relaxed on cuban government. Thats the big concern, don. No matter who you speak to. This is a metaphor of where the hearts and mind of the Cuban Community. Here and elsewhere in the United States. Everybody wants Something Better for cuba. No matter who you speak to. It is how do you achieve that. If you do things for the government in cuba. Is that the same thing as doing things for the people in cuba. A lot of doubt about that. What president obama announced today is going to be controversial. Not because of its go. But because of the means, don. Thats what we will see how it plays out to. Be sure this is just the beginning of seeing what can be improved. If anything, with relations between the u. S. And cuba and for the people who matter most, the poor people in cuba being oppressed. Just the beginning. Thank you, chris cuomo. Little havana in miami. What does this mean for the country . How did president obama hammer out the deal . Cnn political commentators, Carl Bernstein, jay carnie. Listen to what the president said in 2007. Said in a president ial debate if asked would he meet with leaders from countries like cuba. Listen. I would. And the reason is this. The notion that not talking to countries is punishment to them. Which has been the guiding diplomatic principle of this administration is ridiculous. Jay in october in a piece entitled. Obama should end the embargo in cuba. The New York Times wrote the following so, then referring to the summit of americas, panama city, april, to which cuba has been invited, the times went on. The Obama Administration is leery of cubas presence at the meeting and mr. Obama has not committed to attending. He must, and he should see it as an opportunity to make history. So i want you to, wondering if this is an opportunity to make history. Take us inside the white house. How long has this been in the works. Did you know about this . I did. I knew this was under way. I didnt know all details about negotiations in canada. I certainly knew that, that president obama had as a goal, improved relations with cuba. And he also had as a goal the return of alan gross. Very important piece of this, this announcement today. As he said it when he was a candidate. He believed then and he believes now that our policy, of 50 years, hasnt worked. When i hear critics of this decision say that, that we shouldnt normalize relations with cuba because the cuban regime, castro regime is represent reprehensible and abusive that suggests we shouldnt have normalized relations with a host of countries. We have normalized relationships with the soviet union, and communist countries in the soviet bloc. It is clear that what, what we have had in place for the past half century hasnt worked. Hasnt brought down the castro regime. Has t hasnt liberated the people. The president believes this approach in the end will be better for democracy and economic progress in cuba than the approach the United States has taken. What about the timing here, day after the story, called between, president obama and raul castro. Whats the significance . A huge deal. On a scale not like nixon in china. Comes close. Huge deal. Foreign policy of the United States. For the countries in the americas. Sends a great signal. It shows the that obama is still very much an active president. With a lot of power. About the vatican as well. Helped broker this deal. 50 years. Long overdue. It is going to go towards obamas legacy. Finally the timing of it. Obviously has to do with the political calendar as well. In some ways, a little bit safer now to do. But that doesnt mean it is a cynical act. Its an act of courage. Real courage. I would say. One that will probably bring great results. The cuban people. Like the people of the former comb nils empire. Learn more about america. See our culture. Watch our television shows. Hear our music. We have great power. And now we are going to exercise it in a sinceable w absensible. Not quite nixon goes off to china. Few second left. Jay. Its important to understand in the cubanamerican community especially in miami where i once worked for miami herald and time magazine. Views are divided. Divided generationally. Most young cuban americans support normalized relations. The older generation with unbelievably raw wounds from what happened to them when they had to flee the country after, castro came into power. Who, who have the sort of older generations view of this. To maintain isolation. Maintain pressure on the regime. What happened is the years have passed. More and more cuban americans want to see a different approach. I think they will support this. Decision the president has the made. Carl, i will go on longer. Important to point out the popes role in this. Writing letters to both leaders. How much of an influence did the pope have . I think he had a lot. He has taken up the mantel of john paul ii, i wrote a biography of john paul ii, gee yo ge opolitical spiritual pope, Pope John Paul ii we, see pope francis acting in the geoo political realm. Bringing spiritable principles. He is within of the great leaders in the world if not the preeminent leader morally and ethically today. A continuation of what we have been seeing in his papacy which holds great promise and great import for, for where we are going. And a new ways, new way of finding some common ground. Through his intersession. Don, i was with the president when he had and audience with his holiness in rome earlier this year. He was profoundly struck by the popes decency, humanity, and, and his, humility. But also the sophistication of his views. Really believed he had a meeting with a great leader when he left the vatican. Is the pope new the leader of the free world. We should send hem to the middle east . To try to solve that situation . Well i wouldnt use, i wouldnt use the word, just free world. I think it goes beyond that. Jay, what do you think . I think he is a great leader. He has, the capacity, to do great things. I think he already has taken significant steps in the lot of arenas. My producer is saying, we are two minutes over. Thank you, fascinating conversation. Appreciate you. Have a good night. When we come back, two people who couldnt disagree more on restoring relations with cuba, thats next. Ged. Balances. No. Portfolio. And if doesnt perform well for two consecutive gold. Quarters. Quarters. Yup. Then amerivest gives me back their advisory. Stocks. Fees. Fees. Fees for those quarters. Yeah. So, im confident im in good hands. For all the confidence you need. Td ameritrade. You got this. Tyou have two options. 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A lot of us feel we are so close, so much closer, 55 years closer than it was at the beginning and now. Is when we are going to change this unilaterally. Seems to make no sense. If not for anything but the calendar. Timing here. You have been calling for the end of the u. S. Embargo on cuba for years now. In 2002. Covered a meeting between Arlen Specter and fidel castro in castros company for seven straight hours. Tell us about that. What you think about todays news . What i most remember about being in his company is thinking what would be best for the cuban people is if this guy were no longer the leader of this island nation. And the question becomes, whats the best way to get rid of not only he and not only his brother, but also those who surround him there is a perception of communism being an old mans game. What stand out in my mind, don, on the cuban side of the table. When the meetings took place, you had fidel castro and ape host of young. Almost look like young congressional aide you would see in washington, d. C. The message to me was that when the castros are gone, there will still be others here. Who seek to implement their vision. Like anna i want them out. The best way, to give them a taste of capitalism and end the charade. Why did you say, castro did not stay in power, despite the embar go. He survived because of it. Because it gives him, you know when you, when you drive the streets of havana. There is abject poverty. Like a scene out of the godfather soviet era cars or best mechanics in the world. There are 1950s automobiles being driven in havana. Quality of life is terrible. But it gives him and his brother now the opportunity to blame everything that goes wrong in their society on the embargo. We have become the bogeyman. I think it has kept them in power. It hasnt harmed their power. I want to play this for you. Marco rubio said this today. You know him. Lets listen. This policy contradiction is absurd and disgraceful for a president who claims to treasure human rights and human freedom. This president is the single worst neg gesh yotiator in the house in my life time. Who has given the cuban government everything it asked for. And received no assurances of any advances in democracy and freedom in return. Do you know where he is coming from . His parents are cuban immigrants. Do you know where he is coming fru from with that . Personal pain. I think it is important for people to remember that, don. This is a community that has felt a lot of personal pain. Its not the same to read a history book about cuba than it is to hear the painful stories from your parents and grandparents. I can tell you that, marco rubios father died without being able to go back to cuba. And there are so many people here who have died waiting for the freedom of cuba. Waiting for the dictators to die. Waiting for the collapse of that oppressive regime. There is people who have served in jail in political prison in cuba for 30plus years. There is people who are the children of folks that died in firing squad in skcuba, shot do by the dictators. When you look at reaction in miami remember this is a community that has suffered for many years. We have seen rafters die. We have seen people come to our shores, half dead. For 55 years. These are not good guys. We have just negotiated a peace with tyrants, tyrants who have been around for 55 years. Very personal for cuban americans. Thank you, anna, michael. We have much more to come on the cuba deal and sony hack attack. Next a man who has seen it all when it comes to the worlds hot spots. Mr. Dan rather is here. Surplus energy into the plant which generously lowered its price and tipped off the house which used all that energy to stay warm through the storm. Chipmunk theres a bad storm comin narrator the internet of everything is changing how energy works. Is your Network Ready . 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What is your opinion, whats the bigger story here . In my newspaper headline, or my evening news broadcast, it is a twin lead. And by the way, what a terrific news day. What a news day. The story in russia hasnt gotten much play because of what happened with the cyberattacks and the change in policy of cuba is a huge story with potentially far reaching consequences. For everybody in the world. But in answer to your question, i think because there were developments tonight on the north korea story that it will edge the president obama changes policy with cuba. In my head. Journalistic mind and heart. A twin lead. Do you think it was a big mistake, by pulling the movie, or did the studios bow to the enemy therefore, america bows to the enemy or terrorism . Certainly the studios bowed to the enemy. One could are gau, i have heard the arguments on the program. Why sony felt they had to do it. Movie theaters had to pull it. Either way you cut it. Bottom line they caved. You can are gau they had to. It was justified. The country has the not, at least not yet, caved. This is a situation, number one, we have to respond as a country. Number two we need to make certain that our evidence that, that the North Koreans are responsible for this, if that is, absolutely solid, stone, cold. We have learned in the past sometimes when our government believes to be true, the evidence turns out to be shaky. Assume for the moment that the evidence is unshakeable, the evidence is clear, that North Koreans did this. We are some what limited. Respond weep must. We must respond in our own time. In our own way. We choose the time and place to respond. Not a time to say we have to do something. Snap judgment in hours and days. It will be interesting to see what the president , he does over the next few days. Each day he lets it stand. The appearance. Perception of it is that we have backed down. Capitulated. We are americans. We are a people. We are a country. Where we, pride ourselves in saying, as our forefathers and mothers did. Can we talk about cuba. Do you remember how many times you interviewed fidel castro . Seven times. Four times. This one time. 1995. A rare appearance in the u. S. , at the u. N. Lets watch. Mr. President , are you unall terably opposed to capitalism in cuba . Troy i th i think our country would never go back to capitalism. At lest today in these days in that people that i know, our people, do not want capitalism. There was hope when he relinquished power. There would be openness in cuba. Didnt really happen. What do you think of the greater meaning, greater effect that this will have on cubas government if any, what happened today . Well i think what happened today, first and foremost it helps the cuban people. That should not be forgotten. Let me say, i fully understand the raw still open wounds of the older generation of cubans who come to this country. I understand that. This makes it difficult for us as a country to make the change. We have off to keep in mind. Let me suggest. To keep in mind. This will help the cuban people. Cubans are a great people. So much propaganda in every direction over the years. We tend to forget this. The cubans are great people. The people. Theyre hard working. This will help them economically. Now. Should the president visit. If i were he, i wouldnt. But he makes his own decisions. I wouldnt be surprised if he goes. If president nixon could go to china. A Foreign Policy bombshell on a much bigger scale than he can go to cuba. A call for him to make. The important thing. We have to see what was setten motion today helps the cause of freedom in cuba. But it will help the people economically. Thank you. Stick around. Dont go anywhere. Sure, well be right back. Video chemical reactions. Take pics of mr. Bones. Time the next launch. Calm down principal jones. 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President obama opening the door on cuba. We begin with breaking news and the sony hacks who threatened to commit an act of tear railroad to stop a movie about north koreas dictator. Sony pictures pulled the movie, on dvd and on demand according to variety. Federal authorities are ready to point for the finger all at the north korean regime. Pamela brown . E