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Zone. In new york, new jersey, pennsylvania, maryland, virginia, and georgia officials must check on travelers every day for 21 days, asking them about their temperatures and any other ebola symptoms. Meanwhile, new york, new jersey, and illinois say anyone who had direct contact with ebola patients in west africa will be quarantined for 21 days. But is that enough . And in the wake of new yorks first ebola diagnosis, what about the citys marathon, just days away . Should runners and spectators be concerned . And what about american troops fighting ebola . Is it safe to be is it better to be safe than sorry . Tonight were going to separate ebola fact from fiction. But i want to begin with our breaking news. Fears of another ebola case in maryland. Cnns dr. Sanjay gupta is in atlanta. Miguel marquez is in Bellevue Hospital, at Bellevue Hospital right here in new york, where a 5yearold tested negative for ebola today. Sanjay, lets begin with you. What can you tell us about this new story coming out of maryland tonight . Well, its sort of an ongoing situation, don. The university of Maryland Medical Center has accepted a patient at the direction of the department of Public Health over there for assessment. So this sounds like someone obviously theyre concerned about. We dont know why, what has sort of sparked those concerns necessarily. We also dont know if they have ebola. Theyre going to be assessed and eventually see if they have symptoms and be tested is my guess. But well probably have more information over the next couple of days. It can take some time, as you know, don, to know for sure. Right now out of i think respect for the patients privacy theyre not releasing any more details, but we do know that patients now at university of Maryland Medical Center. I have more to talk to you about, dr. Gupta. Stand by. But i want to get to miguel. Miguel, you were at Bellevue Hospital in new york where theres good news about a 5yearold boy. The young patient has tested negative for ebola. Whats next for him . Next is to stay here at bellevue for a few more days with his mother in isolation. They want to make sure that that negative stays negative. So theyre going to test him several more times to make sure that that young man remains free of ebola. He came in on saturday night after a month in guinea. He got sick that evening and into sunday. The fever started up. One thing that officials have said all along is the way his symptoms came along they didnt fit the classic ebola symptoms, meaning that he seemed to get the vomiting and diarrhea first and then the fever later on. So they didnt think it was ebola. Theyve confirmed now hes negative for ebola, but out of a complete abundance of caution, as sanjay says, youre going to hear that term, theyre going to keep him here a few more days, do some testing. Absolutely. Dr. Craig spencer, the thork doctor with ebola, also at the same hospital where youre at in bellevue. Whats his condition, his current condition . Reporter he is serious but stable. And it sounds like on saturday he did take a bit of a turn. The worst symptoms started to kick in. The gastrointestinal issues with ebola, officials say. Now he seems to have become a bit more stable. Still in very serious condition. He did have a blood transfusion from nancy writebol, who has suffered ebola and is now free of it. That seems to have taken with him. So it is hoped that his condition will improve. His fiance has left the hospital. Shes in quarantine for the next 21 days, or 20 days or so. And the two friends that he had substantial contact with are also in quarantine. But right now hes serious but stable and its hoped he will pull through. Don . Lets hope he does pull through and everyone involved is healthy and safe here. Dr. Gupta, back to you now. The cdc this is more breaking news. Put out new guidelines today for Ebola Health Care workers. What are the key changes . Reporter well, i think the best way to look at it is what youre seeing on your screen right there. Theyre going to identify Different Levels of risk. Highest risk all the way down to no risk. Theyre sort of selfevident in terms of what it means. But somebody whos had direct obviously contact with a patient with ebola and theres some real concern about ebola, theyre going to fall into the highest risk category. I think, don, what theyre trying to do more than anything else is try to make it less of a one size fits all. On one side you had people saying look, theres absolutely no need to do anything different unless somebody becomes sick. They start to show symptoms. On the other end youve heard, don, youve been talking about the fact that people have been put into essentially a quarantine without having any symptoms at all. This is sort of threading the needle a bit, sort of defining it a little bit more. So youre defining groups into specific categories. Talking about someone whos quarantined, that nurse, kaci hickox, who was initially quarantined in new jersey, dr. Gupta, got the green light to head back home to maine. Whats the latest there . What do we know . She was released today. According to her attorney. Shes going to go back to maine. Shell be in a situation of essentially voluntary quarantine over there for a total of 21 days. Thats going to be the story there. A very different story than what we were hearing over the weekend. And let me just point out, don, i think something you and i have talked about, that the doctors without borders, the organization for which she worked, says neither a quarantine is neither recommended nor warranted. So shes in a voluntary quarantine, thats probably even more in terms of protection than what her Parent Organization recommends. Can i ask you something . Everyone has been saying you really dont your chances are very low of infecting anyone unless youre really sick, youre at that moment where your temperature gets high. So would she test negative for it and then maybe in the future is there a possibility she can test positive, that its just not showing up on a test yet . Think about it like this. As the virus starts to replicate more and more in your body, it eventually gets to high enough numbers in the blood where it can be detected. Someone who doesnt have any symptoms is unlikely to test positive. That just wouldnt be a very likely scenario based on what i just told you. So it is possible later on down the line that if she became symptomatic, lets say a week or so from now, and went back in for a blood test she could test positive. But again, the most salient point here is you dont transmit the virus until you are sick. And its not like as soon as you develop a fever you suddenly start becoming contagious. Its not binary like that. As you get more and more sick, you become more and more infectious. Remember mr. Duncan . He was at home for 2 1 2 days before he went back into the hospital. None of his family members or friends in that apartment with him got sick. Thank you, sanjay. Thank you, miguel. Appreciate it. I want to bring in dr. Lance of samaritans purse, and also dr. Gregory siotone of beth israel deaconist Medical Center and harvard medical school. Good evening, doctors. I want you to take a look at this new cnn poll that shows 81 of americans believe another person in the u. S. Will contract ebola in the next few weeks. Baltimore hospital evaluating another possible ebola case right now. Are we going to see more of this, or are these people going in because the flu symptoms sound very similar to ebola . Whats going to happen next . We will certainly see more cases of ebola in this country. Now, thats different from whether there will be transmission of ebola in this country. I think youre going to see people, travelers coming from wefrt africa. I think thats inevitable. Its estimated at the current way the epidem sic growing in west africa that well likely see three to eight cases of ebola arriving on our shores per month. And the only way to really address that is that we need to be fighting the epidemic in the affected countries. Three to eight per month . I mean, to that doesnt sound good if youre just listening at home, dr. Gowneder, three to eight per month, and who knows what happens from there. Right. And i think the cdc has taken appropriate measures to try to strengthen Infection Control at hospitals. And part of that was identifying not just the four biocontainment units which are nih, emory, nebraska, and montana. But beyond that, for example, in new york state we have eight hospitals that have been identified as Referral Centers for ebola patients. So theyve gotten additional assistance and training and theyll be getting retraining. And i think youre going to be seeing a similar approach in other states throughout the country that theyll be targeting those kinds of resources at specific Referral Centers that will be responsible for managing these kinds of patients. Dr. Siotone, i want to ask you this. Its wonderful news about the 5yearold boy miguel just reported on. Hes tested negative for ebola now. But as i just said to dr. Gounder there, this is part of the challenge, isnt it, with so many symptoms of other disease like ebola, people with so many other symptoms that are going to think oh, my gosh, do i have this, do i just not have a common cold or a flu . Yeah, true. It is a problem. And this is sort of the root of the issue that happened in west africa where initially the symptoms were misinterpreted from something else, lets say malaria or what have you, and really the ability to early detect and contain the local infection preventing an outbreak was sort of lost early on because of a misinterpretation of symptoms. And thats going to lead to some of the issues that were going to face here that three to eight cases that come are going to be increasing perhaps as this ebola infection outbreak epidemic worldwide increases as well. Were going to be seeing i think more and more cases presenting here, and theres going to be certain steps that were going to have to take to identify and contain it. I want to get another question, and this one specifically is for you, dr. Ciottone because this is just coming in. You work in health care here in new york city. This is according to someone at Bellevue Hospital. There were not enough nurses on staff at bellevue to handle icu and ebola patients so patients in the adult and pediatric icu were trard to nyu langone Medical Center for further treatment. Pediatric patients were transferred today while the Adult Patients were transferred over the weekend. They needed nurse, not the space, meaning the ebola doc is not being treated in the icu area. Thats what a worker with direct knowledge has told one of our cnn producers here. What does it mean there isnt enough space . What does it mean for the treatment of ebola patients or people who are coming to america that may have ebola . Dr. Ciottone. You addressed that to me . Yes. Yeah. I dont work in new york. I work in boston. But one thing that brings out is now we are doing a pretty good job at treating ebola and ebola patients now that its a handful and may increase in the future. But you know, if we get to the point where these numbers start dramatically increasing, hundreds, thousands, and perhaps more, thats when it becomes an issue because our ability then really starts to get overwhelmed. You know, this falls under the realm of something we call disaster medicine, which i am actually a specialist in. You know, we have to try to look at this as a possibly early time in a potential ebola epidemic in the u. S. , and its the actions that we take now at this early time that are really crucial so that we can prevent, you know, the epidemic from spreading and prevent those hundreds to thousands of patients who i dont think any of us would argue would stress our Health Care System, as good as it is. And dr. Powell, i want to get to you as well. You, having worked with samaritans purse, also worked with dr. Kent brantly in liberia. When you hear news like this coming from the hospital, should people be concerned about that . Don, good evening. I think i agree with dr. Ciottone. I think it behooves us to be as prepared as we can. Fortunately, i think that we do have a very robust system here in the u. S. , Health Care System, and i think we do need to take many steps to prepare hospitals should more cases arrive. And i think they will. I applaud the cdc for implementation of new protocols which i think are sound. And i think if we implement them properly i think that we can contain and properly manage patients that do come over with ebola. I think the bottom line, though, don, is we really need to continue to attack the epidemic in west africa because thats where the profound epidemic is and thats where were going to contain it. Hold that thought. I think what im hearing you guys say is this is going to happen the longer this goes on, people are going to have to change staff and figure out how to deal with this, that its not such a big deal that this is happening. So stick with me, doctors. Weve got a lot more to get in here. When we come right back, to quarantine or not to quarantine . Some states are getting tough with anybody who has even the possibility of ebola exposure. Is that the way to go . Plus, playing politics with the virus. How our Public Officials are dealing with ebola. When we come right back. I lost my sight in afghanistan, but it doesnt hold me back. I go through periods where its hard to sleep at night, and stay awake during the day. Non24 is a circadian rhythm disorder that affects up to 70 of people who are totally blind. Talk to your doctor about your symptoms and learn more by calling 8448442424. Or visit my24info. Com. I thought itd be bigger. dad theres nothing i cant reach in my subaru. vo introducing the allnew subaru outback. Love. Its what makes a subaru,a subaru. [ female announcer ] we love our smartphones. And now telcos using hp Big Data Solutions are feeling the love, too. 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Ciottone, automatic quarantines for Health Care Workers returning to the u. S. From ebolaaffected countries even if they arent showing symptoms . Well, i guess im going to be the unpopular guy here because i do believe that we should have a strict quarantine, preferably selfimposed. Now, ill give you some of the evidence that i base that on. If you look at this, dr. Spencer in new york is now the 17th Health Care Worker from medecins sans frontiers, nine of whom have died. Additionally there was a study that came out two weeks ago in the new england journal of medicine that took a hard look at this epidemic, the nine months weve seen this epidemic. And one of the things they found was over 300 Health Care Workers in west africa contracted ebola. Now, what that tells me is that the personal protective equipment system that we use, whether its the equipment, how we put it on, how we take it off, something is inadequate, something is amission here. And then combine that with how weve done so far with the monitoring. Monitoring Health Care Workers for the onset of fever is not adequate. I also think. If we look at that same new england journal study it demonstrated a 12. 9 of ebola patients did not demonstrate any fever from onset of symptoms to detection. And we saw that in dr. Spencer in new york. We saw that in the doctor here. Almost immediately after he went bowling and had his night on the town, the next morning is when he called and had to be taken to the hospital. Dr. Plyler, what do you make of it . Because theyre saying not many people want to go over and do these jobs. Youre going to discourage people if you demand that they have a demanded quarantine when they come back to the United States. What do you make of that . Yeah. Don, i do think we do have to be very careful. Theres a very difficult balance here because as i said, we really need to restrict the epidemic in west africa. If we prohibit sufficient Health Care Workers from responding, that would be a problem. So im not sure that in the pure sense of the word that quarantine is appropriate. But i do think, and indeed this is what samaritans purse as an organization does, is we implement very restrictive public access. Which means, don, that theres no utilization of Public Transportation like subways in the event of dr. Spencer, no trains, buses, any Public Transportation, and theres no visitation of public venues. Its not a quarantine, so to speak. This is more of limited movements rather than complete isolation. Is that what youre saying . Yes, sir. Very restricted public access. And in addition to that, don, i recommend and samaritans purse recommends monitoring temperatures four times a day with accountability. You actually report it to another provider. I want to get into this because theres a war of words over the weekend between quarantined nurse kasey youll be able to get in with this but i want to play this for you. With the nurse who said her basic human rights had been violated. New Jersey Governor Chris Christie had this to say about it. I know she didnt want to be there. No one ever wants to be in the hospital, i suspect. And so i understand that. But the fact is i have a much greater, bigger responsibility to the people of the public. So i think when she has time to reflect shell understand that as well. Doctor, you were wanting to get in here. Do you think this response is disproportionate in new york and new jersey . Don, let me just say this. Can we please demystify quarantine . Quarantine is not necessarily what we see in the movies, with the sterile white enclosure, with people in moon suits and handing you things through gloves in the wall, et cetera. You know, quarantine can be very comfortably done at home. And in most cases will be a selfimposed quarantine. In fact, dont even call it quarantine. Call it a supervised respite period, what have you. We need to demystify it. And ill tell you, one thing that really concerned me with the cdc Statement Today was one i cant tell you verbatim, but a statement that was made about how the west african the doctors and nurses and Health Care Workers going to west africa are heroes and they absolutely are. I absolutely agree they are heroes. However, it then went on to say, and lets not turn them into pairias when they come home. Quarantine does not torn you into a pariah. Quarantine can be a very comfortable situation to be in. And in fact, you may pick up your symptoms even sooner if you do happen to convert and contract ebola. All right. So dr. Gounder, do you agree . She said that her basic human rights were taken away from her. Do you agree . I actually want to come back to some of the comments dr. Ciottone made earlier. Sew was describing how about 300 Health Care Workers in west africa have contracted ebola. And its important to distinguish those that were working for organizations like doctors without borders, who were following those very strict guidelines, and those working in government hospitals, for example, where they had no protective equipment in some cases. So thats really thats not an appropriate, you know, sign of what the risks but doctor, the truth is that those are still Health Care Workers whove gone over there, treated people no, no. Some of them were local Health Care Workers. Sierra leone, you know, guineans. Liberians. Again, youre lumping two different groups when youre talking about those numbers. And with respect to the 13 who did not have fever as their first symptom, what the cdc is recommending is active monitoring for fever and other symptoms. In place of quarantining certain of the risk groups. And that i think is appropriate. That should be able to capture those who are becoming symptomatic with ebola when you include the other symptoms. But doctor, the question is about quarantine and what happened over the weekend in new york and new jersey. Do you think it is an overreaction . Do you think by doing that, as the nurse said, that youre violating peoples basic human rights . I think it is an overreaction. And heres the problem. Is our best tool to deal with ebola, to protect ourselves from ebola in this country, to send Health Care Workers and other aid workers to west africa. And i can tell you, i have friends on the ground there right now, they are taking down their twitter accounts, their facebook accounts. Theyve been harassed. Their kids are being bullied at school. Weve already heard about the bellevue nurses who were denied food service, that their kids are also being stigmatized. I had a friend who was going to volunteer with me in west africa and shes decided not to when she heard about the quarantine. This is going to have a huge impact on our best tool to control ebola. All right, thats going to have to be the last of it. Thank you, doctors. Appreciate it. When we come right back, is the federal government doing enough to battle ebola on the home front and in west africa . And is the new ebola czar missing in action . Introducing a pm pain reliever that dares to work all the way until the am. New aleve pm the only one with a safe sleep aid. Plus the 12 hour strength of aleve. Sweered lobstersory endless shrimp ends soon the years largest variety. Like new spicy siriacha shrimp, or parmesan shrimp scampi. As much as you like, any way you like. But it wont last long, so hurry in today. And sea food differently. When diet and exercise arent enough, adding crestor lowers bad cholesterol up to 55 . 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President could write a president ial decision that directs this to happen. It delineates the procedures to be followed as opposed to suggestions that might come out of the cdc. And oh, by the way, those words would be drawn up by doctors. Weve had our first case back on 30 september. I was doing a Little Research earlier. Here we are the end of october and we still have confusion. I do think people have been working hard. Our messages have been confused. The emphatic language we used in the early days have changed. Now its time to come up with a procedure. And it could be addressed on the way. One thing we know is various states having rules will not work, don. This will confuse people, and it will pit one state against the next. We need a federal law that basically said this is what youve got to do and this is where youve got to do it. And the federal government will resource that. It takes the burden off people and the state to resource it. Errol, you wrote an opinion piece for cnn. Com that said state politicians like governor rick perry, governor andrew cuo cuomo, Chris Christie taking the easy way out and playing politics with ebola. Explain that. There was objectively no reason on friday for the governors of new york and new jersey to suddenly without any contact with the federal government, without any contact with local officials here in new york city to suddenly declare were going to do a quarantine. They had six sentences from a press release that amounted to the marching orders for the people who would be tasked with implementing this thing. And it was not based on anything, any new objective facts on the ground whatsoever. It was clearly based or apparently based on public sentiment and on political considerations. This is where you get into problems because the general and i would defer to him on leadership as a general proposition, but if you get a guideline out of washington that doesnt make any sense for illinois or for new york or for new jersey and then local officials are there to interpret it any which way they want, well, youre going to get that patchwork of different standards and youre going to get people using nonscientific, nonhealthrelated criteria and youre going to get things like kaci hickox being detained in a tent without being told why. Lets pull this back now because even just both of you coming on the air tonight, we reported about whats happening at the hospital, nurses having to be shuffled around, and you know, someone in the Health Industry emailed me and said thats not a shock. I mean, theres a shortage of nurses in america, that happens at any hospital. Are we surprised that people go over to africa and treat diseases and illnesses that happen there, in developing countries, and havent come back to the United States before . Is this all an overreaction, general, to something thats been happening for years . Well, i think it has. Theres been a lot of concern today about the soldiers selfisolating themselves. Thats nothing unusual. Weve done that before in redeployment to make sure everyones records are straight before theyre sent home. We used to do the National Guard 10, 14 days before they went home and they redeployed. As far as i think what people are looking for is a clear standard of what they should do. And we have worked with the cdc protocols. Its time to move to some procedures. And then we can address them along the way. But i think the options are clear. This is what were going to do from the cdc, whos approached this like a bunch of gentlemen doctors leaving room for each one of them to make their own decision, have left some confusion, and i hope they will use the Public Health law, create the standards, tell people what to do, and the federal government resource it and take the burden off of people. But still, americans are concerned not only here but also overseas. Heres what a poll shows, errol, that theres broad support for taking on ebola abroad. More than 7 in 10 americans say that the government should be involved fighting ebola overseas as well as home. So my question is will that change if soldiers, god forbid, start becoming infected or showing signs . Well, it might. I mean, look, we have signs of something, and i hope it doesnt turn into an outright panic, but we have levels of concern that far outstrip the objective facts on the ground. Far many more people are going to die of the flu as of right now, and we know that for sure, and you dont see people trying to figure out how to quarantine flu patients and so forth. Theres exactly one person as far as i could tell who has a contagious case of ebola, and its dr. Spencer here, and youd almost have to break into the hospital to try and get near the guy. I mean, it just doesnt make sense to have sort of a national panic. The standards, i think the cdc is putting forward seem to make some sense. If youre in one risk category, you take certain actions. If youre in a different one, you take other actions. The fact what were talking about here are medical personnel who have volunteered to do the right thing and go overseas means that theyre going to understand those standards. But if they volunteer to do the right thing when they go overseas, they should also be able to volunteer and do the right thing once they come home as well. Thank you very much, general. 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Tara, the cdc today once again released new guidelines on how to deal with Health Care Workers returning from ebola hot zones in west africa. Why this late in the game . The cdc is still issuing new protocols. It was just last week when they had more protocols. It boggles the mind. This is a federal bureaucracy that has a 7 billion budget. Thats b. Billion. What have they been doing . Isnt this what we pay them, taxpayer dollars go toward things like this . They should have been prepared. Now, the Obama Administration has been behind the curve on this on a number of issues. The w. H. O. , or the World Health Organization, warned about this epidemic back in march. The Obama Administration did nothing. They warned them again in august. They did nothing. And now weve seen more iterations of policies as theyre learning on the fly here. But the public confidence, theres a crisis in confidence and the competency of government here because every week its a different story. You cant blame the American People for looking at the situation and going what are they doing, is there anyone in control. And it doesnt look like it. You cant see im sure you can hear van jones. And his face no, no, no. Hes disagreeing. Van, what are you disagreeing about . Thats just ridiculous. I mean, honestly, we have to be fact driven. Theres no way when youve never had a disease like this in a country like this that the initial policies can be perfect. What im proud of is that this president , this administration is using a factdriven approach. As we learn more about how our Health Care System responds to this new threat, we are issuing new responses. Thats called good management. As opposed to jumping out, doing nutty stuff like Chris Christie just did, making up your own facts, making up your own policy, making up your own science. The president and this administration are doing exactly the right thing to continue to improve these policies. Thats not bad. Thats good. Van, listen, to your point about i think youre in the minority among democrats and republicans that the white house is doing the right thing here. Maybe they are but im only talking about im only talking about the systematic improchlt of the policies. The systematic improvement of policies than thats normal. Come on. That would never be thats true for a corporation or anything else. In the private sector that would never be acceptable. Improvements not acceptable in the private sector . Incompetent or ineptitude you get fired. People are held responsible for that. There should have been zero cases of ebola in this country. A travel restriction should have been issued months ago. And theres not one the World Health Organization does not agree with you one at a time. Im sorry. I didnt say a complete travel ban. I said travel restrictions. And then you have a controlled movement for people who are in the medical field. They can go over there through military transport or go ahead, van. Not through commercial airliners. Look at the reaction. Okay, let him in. All this is great except that the World Health Organization does not agree with you. The u. N. Ebola chief does not agree with you. The cdc does not agree with you. So its fine to make up this stuff and its easy to do it on the radio and television 30 african countries because theyre in immediate direct contact and the other countries of the world have not done it because it does not make sense. Heres my point. Go ahead. Make your point. But i want to move on. Go ahead. Well, my point is just if they dont improve the policies then theyre attacked, and if they do improve the policies theyre attacked because some people are going to attack them no matter what they do. But no one knows what the policies are, van. The policies are the policies were just issued. American troops are over there, they will be quarantined for 21 days in italy. The carabinieri came out with hazmat suits to greet the american soldiers. But i thought it wasnt that dangerous, people arent supposed to payne. Thats what the Defense Department is doing. Then the white house comes out and says something completely different to the American People. Which is it . When i get you guys back on im just going to get a bag of popcorn and sit here and listen and tell the producers not to produce so much. But i want you to to what you said about that, when i said you may be in the minority of people thinking that the administration is doing a great job when it comes to ebola, this is snl. Take a look. Some people want to criticize the way our administration has handled this crisis. And its true, we made a few mistakes early on. But i assure you, it was nowhere near as bad as how we handled the isis situation. I mean, our various secret service mishaps, or the scandals of the irs and the nsa. And i dont know if you guys remember, but the obamacare website had some pretty Serious Problems too. In fact, if you look at all the stuff thats happened in my second term, this whole ebola thing is probably one of my greatest accomplishments. Van, do you risk sounding making the point for snl when you say that i think the administration is doing a great job when it comes to ebola . I didnt say i said that improving the policies is good. Thats all i said. You said you were proud of it. Im proud of the improvements. But im not going to go up against snl. Polling in quickly. Briefly. In may in the cdc had a 60 approval rating. Its now down to 37 . In july the American People, 58 of the American People including 1 3 of democrats said that they do not feel obama is running the government competently. That was in july before this. So van, you are definitely in the minority. We have a lot more to talk about, van. Hold that thought because coming up, 50 different states could mean 50 different ways of dealing with ebola. Are we letting politics get in the way as weve been talking about here . And well talk about that more. Plus, never short on controversial comments, Charles Barkley has this to say about race in america. Unfortunately, as i tell my white friends, we as black people, were never going to be successful not because of you white people, because of other black people. More on that, next. [ male announcer ] this man has an Accomplished Research and Analytical Group at his disposal. But even more impressive is how he puts it to work for his clients. Morning. Morning. Thanks for meeting so early. Oh, its not a big deal at all. Come on in. [ male announcer ] its how edward jones makes sense of investing. Makes sense of investing. Means keeping seven billion ctransactions flowing. G, and when weather hits, its data mayhem. But airlines running hp endtoend solutions are always calm during a storm. So if your business deals with the unexpected, hp big data and Cloud Solutions make sure you always know whats coming and are ready for it. Make it matter. Back with me now, to our set, from the blaze and also van jones from cnn. Chris christie. Theres video. Hes all over now talking about ebola rather than talking about bridgegate. Van jones, is Chris Christie back . Listen, the same kind of bullying and blustering that got him in trouble before, that made his staff think its okay to shut down bridges, here you have it again. You have an american hero, a nurse who risked her life to stop ebola there, she comes back. This guy, against all recommendations, creates his own instant quarantine and has now made nurses and doctors around the country terrified to go and stop this thing over there. Which means hes actually making it more likely that ebola will wind up here. Oh, come on. If he were a true leader, if he were a true leader he would stand up and say i want the nurses and the doctors of my state to come to me by the hundreds. Were going to send you over there. When you come back were going to make sure youre in good shape and were going to beat that thing over there. Instead hes grandstanding and making us less safe and its disgusting. He should be ashamed of himself. Are you going to lev that i that same criticism against democratic Governor Andrew Cuomo in new york . Absolutely. Who said the exact same thing to cuomo . You think he was bullying and blustering . And he and he walked it back. And he fixed it. After the white house was embarrassed. Hey, listen, im equal opportunity on this. Both cuomo and christie owe it to the country now to recruit doctors and nurses from their states to send them over there and fight ebola there. Thats the leadership move. If they had been leaning forward they would understand what these Health Care Workers are going through and they would respect them when they came home. Theyve been both of them missing in action and theyre attacking american heroes. They should be ashamed of themselves. Both of them. I want to give this next subject, though, some time. I dont want to give it short shri shrift. Whos missing in action is our ebola czar. Go ahead. I didnt get to that question. Hes working. Hes not on tv with you. Hes working. Lets talk about Charles Barkley now. Tara, this is for you first. Heres what he said. He said there are a lot of black people who are unintelligent, who dont have success. Its best to knock a successful black person down, cause meaning because. Because theyre intelligent. They speak well. They do well in school. And they are successful. He raised a lot of eyebrows this weekend when this audio came out from a radio interview. Heres the rest of some of what he said. When youre black, you have to deal with so much crap in your life from other black people. Its a dirty, dark secret. Im glad its coming out. For some reason we are brainwashed to think if youre not a thug or an idiot youre not black enough. If you go to school, make good grades, speak intelligent, and dont break the law, youre not a good black person. And its a dirty dark secret, anthony. Listen, i hate to bring white people into our crap. But as a black person we all go through it when youre successful. Okay. So lord, lord. Tara, he was talking about an africanamerican quarterback and he said that again, i dont even know if the reports are true. About russell wilson. He was saying that russell wilson, members of his team dont think hes black enough and they dont like him. I dont know. Thats not our reporting. But he certainly caused a firestorm. What do you make of his comments . Well, thats Charles Barkley. Hes known to cause controversy and be very frank in his words. He definitely doesnt mince words. But i may not have worded it the way he did, but i understand where hes coming from. If you the most racism i ever experienced in my life came from people in the black community, from the time i was a little girl. Because i was light skinned, because i have light eyes, because i speak differently, because im educated. It was ridiculous. And if you go to my twitter feed after the show, youre going to see all of the most disgusting, vile things predominantly coming from black folks. And i think that thats unfortunate. Its a sad commentary. And its something that van may or may not disagree, but i can bear this out from my own personal experience, is that is a very real thing. The crabs in the barrel syndrome definitely exists. There may be other parts of it and it doesnt happen to everyone but it exists. And i think Charles Barkley was actually brave in mentioning it. I understand. Its real. Go ahead, van. I see it differently. Look, i dont think africanamericans are unique in having some jealous hateful people in the community. But ill tell you, my experience is wherever i go africanamericans are proud that i have an ivy league education, ive done well. I get a lot of atta boys and a lot of you goes from a lot of people. And you always have a few. But what im concerned about are the people who overreact to the few and then spread stereotypes themselves about our community. The biggest obstacles in our community are not a few hateful crabs in the barrels. We have big obstacles like a prison system thats out of control, arresting way too many africanamericans who do the same level of crime as whites when it comes to drug crimes. Van, heres the thing. Than the crabs in the barrel. I think youre absolutely right on that. But i also think that that is an entirely different subject. You can mention one thing and not have to mention the other all the time. You dont have to preface this by saying i know theres racism. Of course we know theres racism. We live racism every day. So i think tara has a point in the sense overstated. I agree with you. But i think tara has a sense and a point to your point here that you always have to preface it and say, okay, listen, i know theres racism, people, but let me just make this observation. Why should you be limited why should you be limited as a person and as a professional by always having to give a caveat about something that is im not talking about that caveat. I may have misspoken, don. Let me just say this. He said the reason we wont be successful is because of other africanamericans. Well, Charles Barkley. I think thats an overstatement. I dont think thats true. I think he engaged in hyperbole. But again, thats just Charles Barkley. Thats his personality. But i do think the crux of what he said, there is some validity to it. I lived it. I live it every day. You know, as a minority female conservative, do you have any idea the names that im called, from black folks . I mean, they call me every name in the book. I dont get that van, im sure youve seen we talked about this. Im sure youve seen my twitter feed. Youve seen the criticism. If i dont carry a certain narrative forth which people think that africanamericans or liberals and im not a liberal and im not a conservative, either. Then i am all of a sudden an uncle tom. I am a sellout. I am all of these things. And its like thats a different thing, though. What are you talking about . And every Single Person i was at brunch yesterday with all black people, about ten black people, and everyone said he has a point, he said it wrong but he is correct in his point. Its absolutely true, van. Let me say a couple of things. One, there is a party line in the black community politically. If you go against that you will hit a bug zapper. That is true. I happen to van, im going into the next hour. 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