Making a come back. Are parents who do not vaccinate their children putting other children at risk . We will get into that debate with a mom who has made the choice not to vaccinate. Cant wait to hear that. Plus you saw her right here on this program first. The white woman who want to a sperm bank and was mistakenly given a black donor. Her lawsuit against the sperm bank is a hot button issue at water coolers. Later, a frank, heated conversation about that with new days chris cuomo. Disturbing new developments on ebola. Elizabeth cohen and dr. Gupta. Elizabeth and sanjay, an american freelance cameraman, with nbc news, working with dr. Nancy snyderman, tested positive for ebola, they were in the village where Thomas Duncan lived. Watch. The taxi driver who picked up duncan, the young woman, name d madeline, her father and brother. You knew you were picking up a sick, pregnant girl, but no idea at all that she was sick with ebola. No, no, no. Theyre very close. Do we know the latest on the cameraman . Don, we know that the cameraman was flown back by nbc to the United States. Nbc has said they want this photographer to get the best possible care. You were just in liberia with camera crews. What sort of precautions did you take while covering the outbreak, elizabeth . Really all about physical space and distance. You fry to keep as much space as you can between yourself and other people. Dont shake hand with people you. Are very aware of not touching other people as much as you possibly can. And certainly, of course, if we saw ebola patients as we did on our trip, you keep a lot of distance. So, it really is a lot about distance, also bleaching, my hand have never been so clean. Washing your hand, constantly. Bleaching the bottom of your beats. Washing things off. Also very, very important. I want to bring sanjay in. You have covered ebola in africa. Who is at risk here . Not just the cameraman. It is everyone he came in contact with is that correct . Well, you know what is interesting is that tuesday he started working for nbc. Wednesday, is when he developed this fever. And got sick. So, that, thats, too soon to have been as a result of the work that he was doing on tuesday. We know that he has the ben there for three years. Doing projects. At some point he must have had exposure. To your point, yeah, people who, who come of in contact with some one sick with ebola or attend public funerals, a common way that people are getting ebola, theyre the ones that are going to be most at risk. You know, thats been pretty well documented. Of what exactly his exposure was, when it was. We dont know that yet. Almost assuredly the was one of those two ways, don. As we understand there is going to be a self quarantine. You can talk about that. Theyre going to come back here to the United States, same way the first patients came back. Via private jet. I imagine . Yeah, thats what i am hearing as well. My understanding is so that he, he, when he found that he had a fever he quarantined himself. He recognized that this could be ebola. He got a test. It took 12 hours for the test to come back. Came back positive. The rest of the team, dr. Nancy snyderman and her crew mates, everyone, decided to go ahead and put themselves in gaur an te in quarantine. They had contact with him. They will be flown back to the United States. We believe back to atlanta. As you know, don, the Emory University hospital over here is one of the hospitals that is equipped to take care of patients with ebola. Sanjay, stand by. My coanchor has questions for you later on. Litz be elizabeth, whats the latest on patient Thomas Duncan. We havent been receiving a lot of updates on him, don. Last we heard he was in serious condition. Thats better than Critical Condition what he was done the day before. We havent been told if he has been getting any experimental drugs, blood, from patient who had ebola. None of that. There is a lot theyre not saying. Okay. All right, elizabeth cohen. Appreciate that. Thank you straer mucvery much. We will get back to sanjay. Those guys. Really scary. Really scary. Another patient coming into the u. S. Should be call stop flying in planes. Should we stop having planes come in from west africa. Should passengers from west africa stop coming here . Our expert team is here to answer all of the questions you have been sending tine cnn tonight. Joining us, is cnn yaf asiaviat analyst, now an attorney for victims of transportation accidents, dr. Brett guiroir, ceo of texas a M Health Sciences center, former director of defense advance projects agency, and dr. Sanjay gupta still with us. Mary, let me start with you, what about these, so many people have said is it time to stop flights coming out of west africa . Whats the answer . So, question it is. The reason, there are myriad reasons. So many disconnect statements. So many statements that make no sen sense. We should focus on four things. An airplane its not ambulance cannot be disinfected with bleach. It is a 350 computer. The passengers at risk. If some one, checks a back with ebola on it. It ricks, baggage handlers, on that end. Risks them here. Three, the tsa and border agents, are not doctors cannot properly assess the people. Making them do that puts them at risk. Four, our own cdc, has a bit of schizophrenia going on. There is no danger to the passengers. But if you think there has been an ebola patient on your plane, the cdc put out today to clean the plane you have to wear a moon suit, face mask. Even the cdc doesnt know what the danger its. That does sound schizophrenic. United airline has been calling all passengers on board with the first patient. But he wasnt exhibiting symptoms. Theoretically not supposed to be contagious. Doctor, i want to ask you, we know that according to the liberian airport authorities, they say that mr. Duncan checked no on the form that they give people in terms of whether or not he had been exposed to ebola. How can we trust authorities to ask the right question and press passengers and for passengers to accurately fill out that form . Well, thank you for that question. Im not sure how we can trust people to, to answer in a way that we would want them to answer. As honestly as possible. We can only go by objective signs. Whether the person is sick. Whether they do have a fever. But, when you have such subjective questions and answers, i think you always have to have abundance of caution. Doctor, are we relying way too much on people being honest about how they feel, their symptoms . There should be absolutely stricter rules and checks, correct . You are right. An honor system. What this is as well as Infectious Diseases you. Do have to count on people being honest about the history. Being honest about any exposures they may have had. You couldnt do a test for example for ebola in the airport. If somebody didnt have any symptoms. The test wouldnt show anything. Besides measuring their body temperature, checking their body temperature, there is really no other test objective test you can do. You got to count on the fact that hopefully most people will be honest. Sanjay, let me ask you this. I just want to west africa. I came back. When i got there to ghana. They did the temperature check. Everyone who cam off the plane. When i came back into the United States, that did not happen. Why . And should we be doing it . So when you got on the plane in ghana, not when you landed in the United States . When i got to ghana. When i got to ghana. When i was entering ghana. When i left and came back to the United States. They didnt do it as the i was entering the United States. Thats interesting. The protocol typically has been countries in west africa, three countries where ebola is endemic, guinea, sierra leon, liberia, theyre screening before you get on the plane. The goal its to not let somebody who is sick get on a plane. They might have ebola. You are right though, i dont know what the protocol has been in other places. In the United States, its surprisingly been a little bit fragmented. Elizabeth and i were talking. I was in guinea earlier, couple months ago. When i got off, there was no screening whatsoever. When elizabeth got off with her team, each member of her team got different questions. Different sorts off proe approa. The United States is not consistent. Critical part is when theyre getting on the planes in west rave catch. Most important thing right now to make sure sick people arent getting on those planes. Mary, an aviation expert, would you know, anything you want to relay here . Absolutely. The two most important things to note. There are no federal, u. S. Federal regulations requiring the cleaning of the planes or to require people to require the airlines to do these kinds of tests. Until we have those, sanjay is right, until we have a clear message and know what we are doing and put in the federal regulations to require it done it is not going to happen. Airlines arent going to do i we dont hatch the personnel in place. Thats why we have to get the planes out of the ebola stricken areas. Mary one last question, do you think passengers coming in from west africa should be banned from coming to the u. S. . Well, no i think the planes should be. We dont have a way to do it. The passengers will go to other countries. We have got to get the u. S. Aircraft out of there. There is too much exposure when we do that and bring them back wholesale. I think eventually we will have to. This epidemic isnt going to be contained any time soon. Doctor, sanjay guchltpta, th you. More of your questions when we come right back. What is far more contagious than ebola and spreading across the country. Why are some doctors comparing the richest parts of california to Subsaharan Africa because of the diseases. Your children could be at risk. Its it because some parents will not vaccinate. We will have that debate. With the virtual freedom of wifi. Chevrolet, the first and only car company to bring builtin 4g lte wifi to cars, trucks and crossovers. Hi mom. You made it anncr its the new independence. Cozy or cool . Exactly the way you want it. Until boom, its bedtime your mattress is a battleground of thwarted desire. Enter the sleep number bed. Designed to let couples sleep together in individualized comfort. Hes the softy. His sleep number setting is 35. Youre the rock, at 60. And snoring . Sleep numbers even got an adjustment for that. You can only find sleep number at a sleep number store. Right now, save 400 on our most popular mattress. Know better sleep with sleep number. 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Are we seeing a lot of tweets asking this, is this legitimate . It could be legitimate. Absolutely. Look, i dont know what is going on inside his head. But, you know when i first heard the story, and i heard the fact that he had taken care of a patient. Helped this woman, pregnant. Taken her to the hospital. Then sunny was found to have ebola the giving him benefit of the doubt. Maybe mr. Duncan didnt know he had ebola. And legitimately answered no when asked about ebola. What i learned subsequent. We all know now is that he actually helped take her to an ebola ward at one point. She was turned away from that ward. But certainly, kind of gives the impression he knew she had ebola. So why then would he not disclose that, because they wouldnt have let him on the plane. Why did he want to get on the plane . Because the treatment here in the United States obviously is something that maybe he was seeking. It is not. Not at all an unreasonable assumption. Another question to you. This one from nathan. He tweets. It is obvious now that taking a persons temperature is not enough. Why not use a meter like the one in diabetes to detect it . Well, these are two completely different things. With diabetes you are detecting blood sugar in the blood. With the test, what you are really trying to find is presence of the ebola virus. What we know is that, you dont have enough ebola virus in your blood stream until you are sick. These two things go hand in hand. You get sicker because there is more virus in your blood stream. What does that mean . The test is not going to come back positive. Until someone is sivenlgt teck. You could have tested mr. Duncan. Some virus. The test would not have scum back positive. It is not going to help. No quick testing for any sa theiry like this, correct . Scenario like this, correct . Just want to make this clear . With ebola, with Infectious Diseases there may be tests. With ebola there is no quick test. This test would not have come back positive. I have one for you, can we actually have any confidence the cdc is telling us the truth. Or are they giving us wishful thinking. Julia . Well the cdc has a represent ta reputation of being driven by see if yens a science and Public Health. Texas did not have a very good day. People will lose confidence quickly in what we know to be factually, sigh cientifically untrue, if we have patients showing up, all the symptoms, all history, suggest b ebola but not following directives out of the cdc. This is as much a confidence issue as much a competent scientific issue. We need how to get our act together. There is no Second Chances here. If we dont, if the government does not relay confidence, and com compa tense it is not spread by air, difficult to get. We are surveying people that come in, that are Public Health institutions know what to do, we are going to start to get very, a lot of hysteria, and very draconian responses. That may not be helpful that are just going to be because government feels like it has the to do something. So, we need to learn in realtime. We need to fix this quickly. And this is an, and there are no Second Chances. It is hard for people like me with confidence in the cdc to defend what happened the last 48 hours. Looks like sanjay wants to jump in. You want to Say Something . Well, just going to add to that. One thing that sort of adds to that whole thing. There is no effective treatment that the cdc or these hospitals can offer. Not like, yes we have the treatment. It fosters what sunny said as well. We wish you had something to offer us. In west africa, a deep distrust of doctors because every time the doctors show up in west africa that means people are dying. That means the infection is here. We dont want that same scenario to play out in the United States. Next one to the doctor. A tweet from jay. He asks, about the flu and ebola. At the early stages, how does one distinguish between a bad case of the flu and ebola . I think it is, the wrong sa theiry sa sa ncenario. Many will start wit high fever muscle aches, pains. Flu will start with gastrointestinal symptoms. Most important thing to understan unless you have had direct contact with a patient who is symptomatic with ebola, and in contact with blood, you do not have ebola. We are entering flu season. Everyone who gets fever, chills and symptoms should not be at fear for ebola. It is really difficult to try to have patients on their own distinguish what kind of viperous they have just based on their symptoms. That is really not a good pathway. If you have not been in contact with ebola, with a patient who is actively symptomatic, you do not have it. Can i add something . Quickly. A good time to say, get a flu shot. Really, because we need a healthy nation, resilient nation from Public Health and Public Safety perspective. It is a good time to think about our own health as a nation, good time to get the shot. An average 25,000 people a year dye of influenza. A preventible disease. Echo that. Get your flu shots. Very important as we are entering the season. Good practical advice. The doctor smiling, saying, yes, indeed. A good time to remind. Thank you, doctors. Very good stuff. We really appreciate it. Meanwhile, a disease nearly ten times for contagious than ebola. Once believed to have been eliminated is spreading across the United States. Why are cases of measles spiking this year . Are your kids at risk because of parents who think they dont want to vaccinate . We will debate that. When we come back. [ male announcer ] nearly 7 million clients. How did edward jones get so big . Let me just put this away. Could you teach our kids that trick . [ male announcer ] by not acting that way. Its how edward jones makes sense of investing. To help entertain some friends at the beach. 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Excedrin migraine starts to relieve my pain in 30 minutes. Plus, sensitivity to light and sound, even nausea. Excedrin migraine works. [light instrumental music] female announcer recycle your old fridge and get 50. Schedule your free pickup at there is an epidemic now of a dangerous disease all but eliminated. No, not happening in a third world country. The outbreak is in los angeles where many parents, especially wealthy parents in areas like Beverly Hills are choosing not to vaccinate their children. Cnns correspondent has the the story. Tonight ebola emergency. Two major health emergencies. An outbreak of fear as america deals with ebola for the first time. And the entero virus, respiratory infection striking children and paralyzing some. A reminder of decades ago, a disease r disease ravished the population. Days long gone and forgotten. Across los angeles wealthiest neighborhoods, state data shows child vaccination rates here loweru offingoffi infing offing. At the waldorf school, the department of health says 21 of preschoolers are up to date with vaccinations. 21 . Compare that to the nation of liberia which has a 72 vaccination rate. It is a dangerous trend. The richer you are, the less likely you are to vaccinate. It is actually an alarm call. Absolutely. The result according to pediatric specialist, dr. Lehman. Los angeles in the middle of an epidemic. Cases of pertussis or whooping cough have more than doubled in just the last two years. We do see pockets of pertussis disease outbreaks especially in areas where there is higher personal decline in vaccinations. Malibu and santa monica, where this pediatrician was shocked by something she had never seen before. Many, many cases of pertussis. Many more than i had seen anywhere. Its not the poor communities where there is a vaccine issue. The wealthy communities. Their views are being validated because theyre seeing either so many celebrities or so many of their friends in the community who also have a similar mind set and then it validates what think. Reporter she calls it the west side bubble. Choosing to not follow the governments vaccination schedule. Choices being supported by pediatricians like dr. Jake gordon. I think the more information you have about vaccinating the less likely you are to follow the six vag seen at a time schedule. Dr. Gordon supports some vaccines but says many are ineffective. He says the cdc is a bully, pushing too many vaccines at once. He said none of his patients vaccinate on the schedule. Isnt that inherently selfish. Off awe yes, encouraging parents to make a decision best for their children while considering Public Health. Do you feel look you are endangering the Public Health. There is no risk to them. Reporter his altered vaccine schedule is widely criticized by Public Health leaders. When parents or, Health Care Providers make up their own schedules theyre really, theyre practicing medicine thats not tested. Parents who dont vaccinate were reluctant to talk to cnn. But it is a big debate among them. Mom whose vaccinate their children fear theyll all end up paying. We are all in this community together. And you know, you dont want any type of outbreak happening. Reporter because then it is too late. With so much worry over the spread of dangerous diseases, how much freedom of choice should parents have when it comes to vaccinating their own children. The Communications Director for health choice, an organization that advocates giving parents more say over their childrens vaccines. Dr. Harvey cart, pediatrician, assistant professor of pediatrics at uc school of medicine and author of the happiest baby on the block. Thank you for joining us. An important conversation. Becky, you opted out of vaccinating your son, who is now 14 years old. You stopped vaccinating him after his six month mark. Why did you do that . I did that because of my older sons vaccine reactions that he had as an infant. My son, i took him in for hepatitisb vaccine. He immediate developed hideous diarrhea. Later that night. Developed a fever. Arched his back, screamed. If i had known this was brain swelling. I would have then to get him to a doctor right away. After that evening his health deteriorated for the next two years. And, at 2 years 9 months he was diagnosed with autism. We didnt put the pieces of the puzzle together until i had my second son. Who also started exhibiting some strange vaccine reactions. At that point, i had to really weigh the options and i, my husband and i decided that, our childrens neurodevelopment was more important than vaccinating for these diseases. They had permanent damage. Let me ask you, you have a very compelling story. What do you say to parents that say by not vaccinating your children you are exposing other children to diseases like whooping cough and measles . I say that it is their right to vaccinate their children. If vaccines work as the way theyre supposed to their children are safe. There is no reason to worry about my child. Their children are vaccinated. I am the one that is taking the calculated risk for a very good reason. Dr. Carp, what do you say to that. If other children are vaccinated why would they be exposed to the diseases . Well, we all live in a community together. And if you dont get vaccines, your child is going to have a higher risk of getting illnesses. If the child is vaccinated that may protect them. We wish vaccines worked 100 . They dont work 100 . It does increase the risk that a child even who has had vaccines can get illness. I am more concerned about the baby in the family or your next door neighbors baby. Maybe theyre not old enough to get the vaccine. Your toddler plays with them can spread the illness to them. The poor unprotected child is at risk. Especially concerned about whooping cough which is more contagious than any other known disease. So if, live on a farm. I have no problem if you choose not to get the vaccines. Itch youre benefiting by living in a community where everyone else is getting vaccinated and the next baby born on your block is depending on your children getting vaccinated. I think it is your responsibility. Otherwise i think you are really freeloading on, on the efforts made and the exposure made by the other families. Becky, do you want to respond to that . I absolutely want to respond. The problem that my children had is that i took my older son to an immunologisimmunologist, whe diagnosed with autism. Every vaccine we tested, my son did not develop titers. If i vaccinated him he would be unprotected. There is no reason to vaccinate. He would, he did not receive protection from his vaccines. He was vaccinated but was not immunized. Did not lead to immunization. An interesting point, becky. I have, dr. Karp, the whooping cough report, from the California Department of Public Health. And it talks about this year and how there has been this spike in pertussis as it is called. I want to read it to you. Pretty fascinating. Pertussis is cyclical. Peaks every three to five years as numbers of susceptible persons in the population increases due to the waning of immunity following vaccination. In other words the vaccine is only good for five to ten years and then you are no longer immunized. So it is not just. Thats right. Off a not just parents opting out of vaccinating their kids. Parents who think their kids are immunized and it has worn off. That is the case. We worry most about the littlest children. Theyre the one whose die from whooping cough have to be hospitalized. Any one can get it. It turns out to be more unfortunate a bad cold, terrible cough as you get older. This is the crazy thing. We have weakened the vaccine, we were seeing some side effects of the vaccine. To protect children from side effects we weakened the vaccine. Made it more purified. As an effect of that it made it, the immunity last not as long. It was more purified. We had fewer, more children with fewer side effects. Becky. We are running out of time. People say you, parents, likeminded with you are antivaccine. Are you antivaccine . Im not antivaccine. Actually i do see benefit for newborns getting the pertussis vaccines. Its in our community. There is a moderate stance here. We need we need how to think abut this moderately and do the best we can for each of our families. Becky eaststaff, and dr. Karp, thank you for having the debate. We invite your comments. Find don and me on twitter. Obviously this isnt going away the we will have you back to talk more about it. This was big in Beverly Hills a week ago. Big new. What is going on here . Debate raging out there. Out there you. Are right a nother disease too to worry about spreading across the country. Do we have a Health Crisis on our hands . We are going to get answers to that next. E future . The future of kids . Like a stock. Not the kind of stock thats about making money. But a stock for social change. A whole new kind of investment called better futures. When you invest, it helps kids go to college. Believe in us, invest in us. Watch us grow. My name is sydni and im your dividend. Here is our breaking news, an american cameraman working for nbc news in liberia, tested positive for ebola. He was hired tuesday and showed symptoms of ebola wednesday. He will be flown back to the country for treatment at a Medical Center equipped to handle ebola patients. Meanwhile, a respiratory illness, enterovirus 68 found in four patients in this country who died, including a 10yearold girl. Cdc says there are 500 cases throughout the United States. Are we facing another Health Crisis here in america. Joining us, a pediatrician, cohost of the doctors and dr. Harvey karp. First, dr. Sears, thank you for joining us. We have been talking about ebola. There is also entero virus sweeping this nation currently. There are 500 people in 42 states suffering from it. Four patients including a 10yearold girl they have died. What is enterovirus and how much do we need to worry about the virus . Parents are really, really scared about this. It is, a virus they have never heard of before. It is putting kids in the icu. Seems to have caused a few cases of paralysis and kids have died from it. In reality this is a virus that comes from a family of viruss that pediatricians are very familiar with, the enteroviruses, it is behaving as we would expect it would. A typically late, summer and fall virus. So it is my hope that this outbreak. Kind of at the tailened of it. As we get into winter the enteroviruses will disappear. Thats what i am predicting. Lets hope your prediction is direct. You mention, 500 cases. Those are the confirmed cases. This is actually a very common virus. There are probably millions of cases of this across the country, but these patients arent getting sec enough ick eo off to the doctor or getting tested. They think they have a cold. All it will be. It is actually some what rare to have a severe illness from this virus. Pin taw point taken. There are a number of diseases america hasnt seen in a century. Diseases e reemerging. Why is this happening, what are diseases we should be most fearful of . Well we are seeing, one of the thing that scares me the most actually are infections that are resistant to antibiotics. Because we have so overused antibiotics, especially on farms. 80 of antibiotics use in america are used on farm animals not when theyre sick, but to make them grow bigger and fatter. That is a travesty. Antibiotic resistant staph found in every community, that flesheating kind of staph, but the biggest concern, biggest can se concern, every family can do about is protecting their children against flu. We have good vaccines against influenza. 20,000 children are hospitalized every year because of common flu. That is something people should be worried about and Pay Attention to. Dr. Sears, these diseases they sound like, medieval times, whooping cough, mumps, measles. This, talks about ebola versus viruses. Measles on average could be nine times more contagious than ebola. What needs to happen to keep diseases from becoming full blown epidemics, dr. Sears. You mention measles. Measles is inkred believe contagious. Just walking through the room with somebody that has measles you will probably get the measles if you are not protected. How do we protect ourselves, you get your vaccinations. Just the best thing to do. Your flu shot. Thats, one of the best ways to avoid, a lot of these complications from the flu you, know you develop pneumonia and bacterial infections on top of the flu. But if you uh got your flu shot you wouldnt hatch gotten that complication to begin with. So also, my colleague, dr. Karp eluded to this. Everuse of antibiotics. You know, so many patients come into my office. With cold symptoms and the parents think they need antibiotics. Thats one of the biggest things pediatricians do is try to talk parents out of antibiotics when theyre not necessary. Dr. Sears, quickly. I want to got a viewer question in if i can. Here is a tweet from, ladymax, if an infected ebola person sweats on gym equipment, the person behind comes and touches it, is that a threat . What about baggage handlers, too, the next one . Well we do know, when, when somebody is shedding the ebola virus. It goes in every bodily fluid, blood, sweat, tears, vomit, f. Ces, ideally you think if somebody was getting sec because of the ebola virus because at the time they think it is the flu. They shouldnt beep at t at the the first place. Theoretically it could happen. We have to run. Appreciate, dr. Karp and sear. Thank you. We talked about this last night. You heard the story first here exclusively last night. The white woman who after a mixup at a sperm bank, ended up with a black donor and a biracial child. It caused a lot of conversation here in our studio last night. You should have heard us during commercial breaks. When we come back, we will let you in on that conversation. Sir, were loaded and getting ready to go. Were going to need you on the runway. vo dont let a severe cold hold you back. Sir . vo theraflu starts to get to work in your body in just 5 minutes. vo theraflu breaks you free from your worst cold and flu symptoms. vo theraflu. Serious power. 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At that point, they said i believe 330 is an africanamerican donor. Basically we can no longer talk to you any more. She told us she loves her daughter dearly. How cute she was the she lives in a town that is nearly all white. She wants her to grow of in a community where her daughter feels accepted. We have been having spirited discussions. We invited new day anchor chris cuomo for a no holds barred. Getting it on the streets, that was the question, arent you happy to ask her. Whats wrong with black sperm . Everything is wrong with black sperm, don. This is america, dont you know that. I dont like anything about the story. Every aspect is different shade of uncomfortable. Does she have a lawsuit, she and her partner . Yes, they do. They have a viable lawsuit. Why . Because there was a can tract involved. They wanted certain things. They didnt get those things. But what this story really is about is, is there something wrong here. There is certainly something that was incorrect. I think everybody agrees she has a lawsuit. Is it worth pursuing. Being a good parent. Having a healthy kid, whatever kid you get. Doesnt that trump everything . The feeling is she would be sending the wrong message to her daughter. When her child, ten years from now. Googles her name. Find out there was a lawsuit. The message, you were imperfect. They live in a town where being biracial may bea problem. But being the kid of a gay couple isnt a problem. We had a heated controversial conversation here this week. Heres how the conversation started. We were talking about bill mahrs show. Bill made comment about the muslim world. He talked about islam. And, and about, whether or not it was more violent. Shall we just listen to him . Lets listen. If vast numbers of muslims across the world believe, and they do, that humans deserve to die for merely holding a different idea, or drawing a cartoon, or writing a book, or eloping with the wrong person, not only does the muslim world have something in common with isis, it has too much in common with isis. So then we posed those issues to a middle east scholar and asked. There is something about muslim countrys form of justice, human rights that is some how more primitive than other countries. ,000. It got heated. Did you hear what you just said. You said in muslim countries. I just told you indonesia women are absolutely 100 equal to men. In turkey they have had more female representatives, more female heads of state in turkey than we have in the United States. Yes in pakistan. In pakistan, women are still being stoned. Thats a problem for pakistan. Lets criticize pakistan. He was, in a way, you know, playing off the last story he did. He was playing the race religion card on you guys. Sag you are calling everybody the same. Calling them all bad you. Sthu you shouldnt do that. That was a good point. The point that he made when he said, listen to yourselves. We were talking about female genital mutilation where in somalia, and egypt, more than 90 of the women are subjected to it. He said that is anch african continent problem. Not a muslim problem. Interesting point. Thats educational. You are obviously agitated. People on twitter are angry that we asked the question. If you dont ask the question you cant have the conversation. I agree with that. That wasnt my beef. The country thing. That wasnt my thing. I was simply asking the question in order to get an answer. Why are people upset . Either pc gone awry. Dismiss it as that. I wouldnt. Heres why. Do, does it promote violence . No. One, islam is the culture. Being a muslim, the faith, is that more violent inherently than judaism or christianity, not if you examine the text, most experts will tell you exact low that. How it is applied culturally. Youve get into a big problem. That is a great answer. But i also think, that, reza, he apologized on twitter. During the course of it. He said the question was stupid and implied that, i was stupi a. I dent need an apology. We need to ask the questions, controversial questions, questions you may deem as stupid. It allows for the conversation. Most americans think muslims are violent, a faith that encourages jihad which they take as war against other faiths that if happen to be wrong. I want to say it was interesting, reza used the example of indonesia where he was saying they have, they treat women, you know fairly. Because it was just last week end that one province in indonesia, ache allowed legally caning of homosexuals. I think, listen, he realized the moment you call some one a name you lose the argument. Thats why he apologized. Yes. His tone was angry. He wound up kind of demonstrating what people are fearful about when they think of the faith in the first place. The hos pitility of it. This is the state of play in journalism today. The muslim world is responsible for a really big part of religious extremism right now. Theyre unusually violent. Theyre unusually barbaric in the places where it is ham penning. Hatch penni ing it is happening more there than other places do. You want to generalize. Of course not. Call a situation what it is. No coincidence, isis begins with an i. Doesnt mean other faiths cant be violent you. Sthunt be afraid of the question. 6 00 to 9 00 a. M. You were keyed up. You were. Im seeing you next week if you are not careful. See you later. Im in tim dated. Be good to her. Byebye. Well see you. Well be right back. 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