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Promises a strong response. Plus president obama who addresses from the white house. Have i unequivocally condemned hamas and the palestinian factions there were responsible for killing two Israeli Soldiers and abducting a third almost minutes after a ceasefire had been announced. Also, we know americas leaders support israel. And now the support might be stronger than ever. But what about americas youth . Were going to take a look at the generation gap when it comes to understanding what is going on in gaza. But first, i want to get to that breaking news, that massive explosion that we just saw from reuters. Theyre reporting that the Islamic University in central gaza has been hit. Here it is. Again, happening moments ago. I want to go right to cnns Senior International correspondent Matthew Chance who is live in jerusalem. Matthew, what happened . Well, details still very sketchy. But you can see from those dramatic images that were filmed by the Reuters Television news agency the destructive power of what appears to be an israeli artillery Shell Landing right in the center of gaza city. The building that was apparently targeted according to reuters was the Islamic University, as you mentioned, in central gaza. Why that may have been, we havent had a chance yet to speak to the Israeli Defense forces, the Israeli Military to try and get any clarity on that. But clearly, a huge explosion right in the center of the gaza strip, right in the center of gaza city. At a time where tension, of course, is running extremely high. You have that soldier apparently seized by militants in the gaza strip. A ceasefire which has gone to the wind. The response from the israelis has been crushing. Thats their words, not mine. They say that theyre eliciting crushing response. To give you an indication of that, weve seen an upsurge in artillery attacks, bombing runs on the gaza strip since midnight local time here. Thats just five hours ago. The latest figures coming to us from palestinian medical officials. 35 people have been killed. And thats not counting any injuries or fatalities that may have been a result of this latest attack that we saw there so dramatically on the Reuters News Agency on the Islamic University in central gaza, don. And john, just a little bit more information on that and the video that were look at, if you can put it up. It was shot when the Islamic University in central gaza was hit. Al aqsa which is hamasaffiliated said the building was hit short time ago by israeli artillery. If this is any indication, this is of course the ramping up from the Israeli Military. So john, the question is what happens now . Is there any hope left for a ceasefire or are we well beyond that . Well, ultimately, there will be a ceasefire. Obviously, in the hours or even in the days ahead, its difficult to see one. Youve seen this from an israeli point of view, huge violation in their eyes of the ceasefire by hamas militants. The capture of that israeli soldier. He has been named hadar goldin, a Second Lieutenant apparently from an elite squad of israeli troopers who was investigating a tunnel entrance. The circumstances of his capture appear to have been ooze they went into this area, this house in the Southern Gaza strip where there was a tunnel entrance. A number of militants emerged from the tunnel. One of them a suicide bomber blew up, killed two soldiers with him. The other, militants grabbed this israeli officer, dragged him back into the tunnel and disappeared. A fierce artillery barrage in the area. Israeli intelligence sources saying that they were looking hard to try and locate the missing soldier. So far they have not been able to, though. So don, just very briefly, i think what will be dependent now on the outcome will be, you know, whether they determine whether this soldier is alive or dead, hamas at this point says they believe he may have been killed in a barrage of the area by Israeli Forces shortly afterwards. Thats of course not been confirmed. But if he is alive, the israelis have a record of doing deals for the return of their captured soldiers. They did the same with gilad shalit when he was captured in 2006. Five years later he was exchanged for a thousand prisoners. If he is alive, militants in gaza will be looking at him as a kind of bargaining chip. All right, Matthew Chance in jerusalem. Matthew, stand by. I want to get now to gaza and mohammed omer, a researcher and journalist in gaza. Im not sure if you heard or saw this explosion. We have been playing it here on cnn. What can you tell us . Yes, i just saw the explosion just about two minutes ago. It hit the Islamic University in gaza. And we dont know until this moment what is the target exactly inside the university. This is the university which is known to be an institution for educational purposes. However, it has been bombed and targeted by the Israeli Military on several occasions. The situation as it stands at the moment in gaza is quite horrifying. Dont know if you can hear in the background israeli f16s are hovering and bombing and also the drones and the warplanes and the warships in the east of gaza city are constantly bombing as i speak at the moment. The hospitals in rafah have announced that they are overwhelmed, and they cannot deal with the cases that get into the hospitals. Most of the people who they are trying to evacuate are basically lying on the ground, and dead bodies that the ambulances are not able to do it, that happen just after the israeli air strikes hit three ambulance, the drivers, and medical workers in five dropoff cities. So gaza needed a humanitarian ceasefire today. That was broken. So who do people hold responsible here at this point, mohammed . Yeah, now what do we know . Israel was inside gaza and operating on a tunnel. What we dont know is they advance or not, how palestinians in the tunnel may not have even had electricity to know a ceasefire was reached. Remember, much of gaza has been reduced to candlelight. The ceasefire talks is misplaced here, im afraid, and we see also that the palestinians have warned for years that this situation cannot continue. We are an oppressed people. We want our freedom like anybody else. And netanyahu refused to negotiate seriously with the p. A. And now we have precisely what people warned israel about a year ago, an armed uprising. Now, if the United States of america had been occupied by the soviet union, do you think America Public armed as it is would simply allow it . If your grandmother was if your grandmother was thrown out of her house would you allow it or insist she is allowed back in her home. Mohammed im just wondering, if cnn has asked one time about this through an idf spokesman. There have been many conversations about that. But what i want to get into is the breaking news that we have right now. So listen. As we said, there is a humanitarian crisis happening in gaza. You said much of gaza has been reduced to candlelight. Can you tell us in this particular area where the university is, what the population is like . Is it dense . Is it sparse at this moment . Would anybody be attending university right now . Nobody is attending university over the last 26 days because it has been constantly under attack, the area. About three minutes from the Islamic University, i could see the burns, on the fires are coming out of the Islamic University. The situation is quite tear fight at the moment. For the seventh day in my area and the rest of the gaza strip, there is no electricity. So that total blackout which makes people totally isolated from the international community. And also there is the shortage of medical supplies, shortages of water. And we are talking about shortages of water, just get inside i dont know if you can hear right now in the background there is a terrifying number of bombs that are happening at the moment. And i speak to you in gaza. Mohammed, thank you very much. Were going move on. Were going to continue following this breaking news that is happening in central gaza. Mohammed omer is reporting from very near the scene of this blast that youre looking at. This is reported from Reuters Television a short time ago. There is an explosion believed to be artillery strikes by the Israeli Military on the Islamic University in central gaza. Well continue to follow this breaking news on cnn throughout the hour. Again, this dramatic explosion comes on day in which a promising ceasefire fell through. Joining me now is ron dermer. Thank you for joining us. Do you have any faith continuing to negotiate for a ceasefire given that this one was broken after just 90 minutes . Well, i dont think anyone in israel has any faith. Unfortunately, hamas stopped another ceasefire. We were supposed to have a 72hour ceasefire, humanitarian ceasefire. And there was hope that that would be extended be. But then you had this brutal and savage attack by a terrorist organization in gaza where a suicide bomber came out of a tunnel, killed a couple of our soldiers and kidnapped another soldier. And obviously, they blew up the ceasefire. Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and palestinian jihad all tell cnn that they dont have this soldier either. Listen, you cant take these guys seriously. You have to understand, don, i think this is something that is often lost in the coverage of this whole issue. Hamas is like al qaeda. Theyre no different. There an organization that is committed to israels destruction. Theyre a Terror Organization recognized as such. Throughout the entire world, not just by america, by the eu, by canada, even by egypt. Theyre an organization who celebrated on 9 11 when thousands of americans were dead. And theyre an organization that condemned the United States for killing osama bin laden. So theyre not going have a problem, don, if theyre celebrating when thousands of americans are dead, lying on american television. I dont take seriously anything hamas says seriously and i certainly dont take any anything which Islamic Jihad says. What you had is a ceasefire where assurances were given to the international community, to secretary kerry, also to the u. N. Secretary general that all of the palestinians were on board. All of the factions. So i dont know exactly who did it or who did not do it. But in the name of these palestinian factions, they said there was a ceasefire. We were operating according to that ceasefire, and our soldiers were attacked about an hour an 15 minutes after that ceasefire went into effect. There. Are a couple of things i want to get in here. I wanted to play for you what the president said today. A strong Statement Today condemning the capture of the soldier. Listen. Have i unequivocally condemned hamas and the palestinian factions that were responsible for killing two Israeli Soldiers. And abducting a third. Almost minutes after a ceasefire had been announced. Have i been very clear throughout this crisis that israel has a right to defend itself. No country can tolerate missiles raining down on its cities and people having to rush to bomb shelters every 20 minutes or half hour. No country can or would tolerate tunnels being dug under their land that can be used to launch terrorist attacks. Those are very strong words. And in all honesty, this is a gamechanger, i would imagine. How do you plan to deal with this . Well, our security cabinet is meeting tonight in jerusalem. So well have to let the decisionmakingers make those decisions. But obviously, this is something that wont go unanswered. Rest assured, don, there will be a very strong response from the israeli government. Is that a ramping up of military action in gaza . I think youve already seen a ramping up of military action in gaza. You dont have to wait for the security cabinet decision. The question is what will israels leaders decide to do . Because obviously we have with these Terror Organizations hamas, Islamic Jihad, and others, they may have a certain belief that israel will not respond in a very forceful way, that this is not a gamechanger. I think they are going to understand that they are dead wrong. Given that dealing with hamas seems to be pointless from your perspective, is there a palestinian faction that israel can do business with . Well, hoping the Palestinian Authority would be that faction led by abbas. One of the problems we have is two months ago president abbas made an alliance with the terrorist organization. He made an alliance with al qaeda. Thats why the Peace Process broke down. We hope in the wake of, this and i dont know how long its going to be now that youve had this operation and israel will have to decide what to do next, but we hope when its all said and done that president abbas will break this pact that he has made with this Terror Organization and go back to thats talks with israel. I have a few more things i want to get in a short time. Israel has been making the case that the media focus is too much on civilian casualties in gaza without Holding Hamas responsible for their actions. Now that hamas seems to have broken the ceasefire in the most provocative way, do you think that will change . No. I mean, i saw the coverage this morning and i was pretty frankly very appalled by. Not just on your station, but on other stations. You get into this he said she said. Israel says a. Hamas says b. Let me ask you. America is fighting al qaeda. America says a. Al qaeda says b. Thats what people feel when they watch the coverage of this. Were dealing with a brutal Terror Organization committed to our destruction, wants to murder jews all over the world, dancing on 9 11. This is the organization were dealing with. It is certainly not reflected in the coverage of your network or other networks. You do understand we have to cover all sides. We are doing this interview now, there is a protest going on right outside of our building. People who are, you know, pro tennessee. So there is that side of the story. Its not about being pro palestinian. Were not fighting the Palestinian People, were fighting hamas. And you should never be neutral between a democracy that shares your values and a Terror Organization that hates everything that you stand for. A free media should never be neutral in that fight. When you treat both sides as being equally credible, when you turn israel and hamas into a he said she said, when you take what theyre saying seriously, when you dont challenge them on people who want to murder jews around the world, when you a palestinian who is walking in there and who is telling you, look, im very concerned about these civilian casualties, you need to do something about it. What israel is doing. Ask them a simple question. Over 1500 palestinians have been killed in syria. Did he go on television and condemn that . Did you see writing in europe against syrian communities because you had over 1500 palestinians killed in syria . No. So there is something that is unique when israel is the one that is fighting. Thats what creates this bias. And i think its wrong. And i think the free world and the free media should stand on the side of a democracy when its fighting against a Terror Organization. Not to not cover, but to cover it treating the parties not as equals, but as one party much more credible than the other. And the other is a Terror Organization. Ambassador dermer, thank you. Thank you. And coming up, with an israeli soldier missing, possibly dead, and nobody claiming responsibility, who exactly is in charge in gaza . And later, as the death toll mounts, which side do you support . It may depend on how old you are. Thats thats next. Celebrate your love of crab with gthis years largest variety . cause its crabfest at red lobster dig into a succulent selection of crab entrees. Like new crab lovers trio with sweet snow crab legs, split king crab, and jumbo lump crab over savory shrimp. Crab three ways all on one plate. Or try new jumbo lump crab over woodgrilled salmon. Experience crabfest at red lobster today. Only for a limited time. Come in and sea food differently think the tree we carved our names in is still here . Probably dead. How much fun is this . What . 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And author of crisis tales five rules for coping with crisis in business, politics and life. Lieutenant colonel geoffrey corn, law professor at south Texas College of law, and author of the law of armed conflict. And then bobby ghosh, who is the managing editor of courts. Reuters is reporting it hit the Islamic University in central gaza. First to you, bobby. Bobby, you have been to this campus. What can you tell us about it . Its been some years, but i have been to that campus. Its quite a substantial campus. The name is a little misleading. Its Islamic University, but its not simply islamic studies, though it has a faculty for that as well there is also engineering science, the arts. It was hit in 2008, i believe, by multiple israeli rockets. At the time israel said that hamas was using some of those science laboratories to develop hamass missiles, particularly the qassam rockets. Hamas does have connects to the university. Hamas has connections to almost everything in gaza. The founder of hamas was instrumental, i believe in starting up that university in the late 1970s. But its a very large campus, over 20,000 students. It takes up a very large portion of central gaza. I just had the israeli ambassador on, lanny davis. I asked him what is israel going to do next . Does this mean the ramping up of the military actions. He said you dont have to ask. Youre seeing it in action. Now would you consider this part of it after the alleged kidnapping of that soldier and the breaking of a ceasefire earlier . Well, it appears so that there will be a ramping up in the horror on all of us as the ambassador pointed out to see children and civilians killed, children in israel hiding from missiles intentionally aimed at it, children in gaza. So there is horror on both sides. But iranbacked terrorist Organization Still is hamas that broke the ceasefire that wont allow a ceasefire with humane goods entering into gaza as long as there are no military supplies. Thats the only deal israel has offered over and over again. So this is a tragedy and it is truly heart rendering to see what is going on. Lieutenant general geoffrey corn, this is no accident that the university was hit . No, i dont think so. Listen, this is almost certainly what military planners would call a deliberate a deliberate attack. In other words, there has been careful analysis of what the military value of whatever it was there would be if it was attacked. And that analysis would have involved military legal advisers. And one thing that people have to understand, if youre fighting in an urban area where your enemy is deliberately trying to shield its vital military assets by commingling them in civilian areas, the law authorizes the attacking commander, the attacking force to conduct those operations so long as they do so in a manner as best they can under the circumstances to mitigate the risks to the civilian population, which may explain why youre seeing this at a very early hour in the morning. Ideally, when most people would be at either in cover or in bed to avoid civilian casualties. When you see the size of this explosion, as i said, al act sa aqsa is saying this is israeli artillery. What are you saying about the size of the explosion, what type of artillery, geoffrey corn . I think based on the video, thats totally speculative. It could have be a hell fire missile, it could be artillery and air assets. This is what military planners do. They identify the target. They look at the capabilities the commander has to bring to bear, and they figure out the best way to achieve the tactical objective while mitigating the risk to the civilian population. And look, lets not forget. In your reporting today, the incident that broke this ceasefire occurred when Israeli Forces were in a home that was hiding the entrance to a tunnel. This is the point theyve been making all along, that this is why theyre compelled to attack what on the surface appear to be civilian objects, which their view, in their view have been converted into military targets. Were going to talk much more about that right after this break. So stay with me, everyone. Up next, well goat the heart of the group that is ruling gaza, and thats hamas. But who is in charge of them . Thats next. I grew up with three brothers, so i figured hey, i get it, kids get stains. But we have these three beautiful little girls, and they make us look like amateurs. 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This group says it helped kidnap israeli soldier gilad shalit in 2006. They have been training to kidnap more. A perfect example of why israel and its allies should be worried by far more than just hamas. But with an israeli soldier now gone, the blame is on hamas. We cant confirm, we cant deny unless we have solid information. This is a real position. If that soldier was captured by any other organization, we dont have any information. Reporter sounding as baffled as anyone, the hamas Political Leadership is not even in gaza. Its based in qatar. They say the occupation prevents them from going home. The reality is israel would likely target them if they did. Leader Khaled Meshaal has only been to gaza once back this 2012. To effectively run gaza, you have to be in gaza. Another problem for hamas, logistics. Imagine an area the size of detroit with no power, little water, 1. 8 million residents who cant leave being run by a group that is a shadow of its former self with a military wing worried about using cell phones that can be tracked by israel. Internal communication within hamas has been disrupted. And so they have a hard time each getting on the same page internally, much less bringing outside groups into line. Reporter despite this, israel says hamas rules the strip with an iron fist. So whoever breaks the ceasefire, hamas is accountable. Bury the reality is more complex. Islamic jihad, al aqsa martyrs brigade, army of islam just a few of the better known groups. The question is how many more splinter groups are there that until now may have been operating under the radar. We know that there are jihadi groups in the gaza strip. This is the sort of environment that jihadi groups tend to thrive in. Reporter israel blames hamas for sparking this latest conflict, perhaps to try and force concessions. The longer this lasts, the more this becomes a life or death battle for hamas as well as the people of gaza. Paula hancocks, cnn, new york. All right, paula, thank you very much. Appreciate that so far attempts for a truce in gaza have failed, and ceasefires have been broken. So what happens next . Im here with lanny davis again, geoffrey corn and also bobby ghosh. Thank you, guys. In light of what just happened, were going to continue to follow that breaking news. But lets talk more, colonel, about no one claiming responsibility for the capture of an israeli soldier that broke the ceasefire. What does it tell us about who actually is in charge in gaza . Well, i think i have to think that the ambassadors comments are directly on point. I dont know why hamas at this point would claim responsibility if they captured him or if they even had him because the number one asset they have right now is this perception of a heavyhanded response from israel. And if the israelis are going to ramp up the military operation as a result of this, then that would play into their hands. And they want to distance themselves in my view from the justification for the israelis ramping up the operation. I suspect that if this officer was captured they have knowledge of it, even with the disruptive communications. This would be such a vital move for hamas and for their agents in gaza that its almost unbelievable to me that if somebody has captured this officer, the leadership of the organization and especially the military wing is unaware of it at this point. Im going ask you than, bobby. I spoke with a palestinian representative earlier. And then it was 16 hours. Instead, its been 16 hours. Now its been about 18 hours. And you still dont know. He is saying they lost communications. And i think the quote was we believe that our men were killed in the zionist shelling. And he said we also believe the zionist soldier was killed as well do. You buy that they dont know what happened here, bobby . Not really. Hamas does keep a very, very close tab of what goes on everywhere in gaza. It is true that there are other groups operating, and sometimes they operate independently of the hamas command structure. But that doesnt mean hamas doesnt know what is going on. And something as big a deal and for hamas this would be a huge, huge deal, something as big a deal as a soldier being taken, that word of that would get out very quickly. Its a very small, very tight place. And you can get from one end of gaza to another in very, very quick time. Especially now when there is no traffic. In the streets because people are sheltering. If hamas indeed didnt order this capture, they would find out about it very, very quickly. Now, that doesnt mean that theyre lying when they say that particular group that took that soldier are now dead. Because after all, there was some quite ferocious artillery fire into that part of gaza immediately after the capture. 10 its entirely possible that that unit, including the captive were killed. But if hamas has that it knows that, that means it knows what is going on. It undermines their own authority, lanny, if theyre saying they dont really know what the soldiers in the field are doing. The question is, though, how entrenched, lanny, is hamas . Because you heard ambassador dermer saying we would rather deal with the Palestinian Authority. Can that happen and not so if hamas is very entrenched . Well, theyre more than entrenched. The victims of their dictatorship and their horrible form of terrorism is that theyre using palestinians and children as their shields. Remember, hamas made war on fatah and on the Palestinian Authority and took over gaza violently. Hamas doesnt really represent the palestinians. I felt so badly for this mr. Omer that we talked to, that you talked to. He doesnt recognize that he is a victim not of israel defending itself from missiles. He is a victim of people who took over gaza, threw out the Palestinian Authority that believes in a twostate solution, and instead is led by a brutal dictatorship that celebrates death and that is intentionally using children and women as shields now supported by iran. Thats the sadness here is that the palestinians living in gaza are the victims of hamas. Not israel. Lanny, bobby, geoffrey, thank you all very much. Coming up, were going to continue to follow the breaking news here on cnn, including that explosion in central gaza at the university. And there is a large generational gap when regarding this conflict. 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But when you break it down by age, it is a much different story. Deborah feyerick has the story. Reporter when a peaceful sitin protesting jewish groups ended in handcuffs this week, what bothered young people like maxberger was not the arrests so much as the older generations response. I was more upset after the fact when they described us as being, quote, insignificant. Reporter when it comes to israel and gaza, if youre over age 30, chances are you support israel. But if youre 30 or younger enough reporter chances are youre more sympathetic to the palestinians says a new poll by the pew research center. How many you have been to israel . Reporter Iona Lieberman on the left, carol segall and max berger are peace activists with the group if now, when . Is your support of israel different than your parents support of israel . Certainly. I think my parents feel that the violence is more justified than i do. Reporter among americans 65 or olders 53 blame the militant group hamas for the violence in gaza. Thats compared to 21 of americans under 30. 15 of americans over 65 blame israel compared to 29 of americans under 30. A divide reflected between children and their parents. I honestly understand where my dad is coming from, but i dont agree with it. Reporter dr. Malone ben mir says the holocaust in world war ii directly influenced many older peoples unyielding support of israel. They see israel as the final refuge, the only refuge for the jews. And hence, regardless of almost wrongdoing, they feel it is justified. Reporter 65yearold jerry believes young people who question the militarys actions do so because they lack context. When they turn on the tv and the news media tells them about, you know, 58 negative, 85 negative, thats the way they react. Reporter many young people, the socalled millennials, people born between the 1980s to the early 2000s are more influenced by what they see on social media and news alternatives like the daily show with jon stewart. I was saying it was last thursday saw the start of a new ground offensive launched by israel. Do you believe that the state of israel, its existence is at risk if they dont do what theyre doing . I would almost say that the state of israel is at risk if it continues doing what its doing. Yes, yes. Reporter a dilemma pitting old against young, and even those within the Jewish Community against each other. I think this is tearing a hole in the jewish soul. Reporter deborah feyerick, cnn, new york. Thank you very much. Coming up, are millennials challenging the United States Longstanding Alliance with israel . My experts get into that, next. What super poligrip does for me is it keeps the food out. 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Quite a resume there. Rula, im going to start with you. You know the u. S. Is extremely polarized these days. Are you surprised that views on israel might have less to do with politics and more to do with age . I would tell you it has more to do with where you get your information from. If you have your information from mainstream media, probably you would believe what you have, which is what the government is giving you, what the israeli politicians are giving you. And air time is mostly given to them. If you follow the news on social media and you speak more languages, and you follow the news on independent media, then you have a different view. These views of the politicians are challenged there. And there is the pictures there is evidence. There is reports there is journalists on the ground that are telling you different narrative. But david, the counter argument to that is there is also no context and no history there. And its no secret that younger americans dont rely on the nightly news or Cable Networks or printed newspapers. Could that be the difference here . I think the main difference is the older generation, im part of, that grew up with the holocaust was very, very much forefront of our minds. Jews were seen as victims, as deserving of a state. They were seen as taking over a state and then their neighbors tried to push them into the sea. And there was an awful lot of sympathy for israel. And it seemed that Israel Occupied the high moral ground. And today the Younger Generation is no longer thinking about the holocaust, but is seeing these pictures of children being ripped apart in gaza. They dont understand the context fully. Thats true. But pictures i think have a lot to do with it. College campuses are also the faculties on many campuses are less sympathetic to israel and more sympathetic to the palestinian cause than they were 25, 40 years ago. And there is also the religious factor. More religious people, people who practice religion tend to be more pro israel. The Younger Generation we have the rise of the nuns as theyre called. Theyre very spiritual, but they dont practice religion in the same way with the same numbers as the older generation. Ben, i want to put a poll up for you. 23 of 18 to 29yearolds who were polled by pew say they have been following the israelgaza situation, quote, very closely. To rulas point, if theyre only seeing pictures on social media, that would make them more sympathetic to palestinians, wouldnt it . Sure there is two parts of this. One is flatout laziness. They do not follow the news. They certainly are not going to look into the history of the context of this. And the second part is they are easily pulled on this israel looks sophisticated. Israel looks like theyre bigger. Israel looks like if you look at the pictures like theyre a bully. Like its a not a fair fight. But if you actually look into it, and you realize how hamas treats people and how as a terrorist organizations they put these tunnels into houses on purpose. They put innocent peoples lives at risk on purpose, to make the other side look bad, then i think you start to see it. But remember, were also dealing with the same age group where the majority of them cannot tell you who the Vice President of the United States of america. So it really goes back to an issue of i think really just ignorance on many younger peoples on the way they look at the world. They dont really know. In fairness, a lot of older people dont know either, dont know as well. But more than the younger people do, certainly. They know who the kardashians are, but they dont know who is running for president. I think they know about the occupation very well, ben. They know about the occupation. They know about the siege for 45 years, the occupation of the west bank. And the siege of gaza for the last eight years. Hold that thought, rula. I want you to weigh in on this. And it goes into what youre saying. The israeli ambassador to the u. S. , ron dermer had this to say about how the media is covering this conflict. Listen. People accuse israel of genocide. Now this is wild. And its the wild rhetoric that creates these kind of blood lies. Genocide is what happened in rwanda when you had 900,000 people who were killed in three months. Its what happened in darfur. Its what happened in auschwitz in may 1944. You had 10,000 jews murdered every day. To call what israel is doing in gaza defending itself when thousands of rockets are coming into the country and youre trying to actually do these strikes to keep their civilians, everything that israel does, the phone calls, the text messages, you name it that we are trying to do that other countries would never do if their homeland was under attack, to accuse israel is genocide. Its wild. Its a libel. And thats why i think people are so upset with the Media Coverage that you have. Okay. So continuing on what you were saying. Listen, basically, rula, he feels strongly that says at a disadvantage in the media certainly international media. I dont know what television he watch. I think i saw Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu this sunday on four networks. What more than this they want . The fact that a native israeli like myself or any others cannot even dream to become ambassador of israel in the United States. And ron can be ambassador while he was born here, that tells you everything about the conflict. Look, there is military occupation for the last 45 years. This is what young people talk about. Young people also talk about universal human rights. And they also talk about the aspiration of the palestinian. And they talk about bun thing that was never mentioned which is demilitarization of hamas that we all want together with the occupation. [ overlapping dialog ] quickly, ben and then david. The Palestinian People are refusing to stand up to hamas. And theyre allowing them to continue to dictate. Remember, hamas, youre dealing with a group that said we refuse to acknowledge the existence of israel or the jewish people. How do you deal with a group of individuals like that . You want to talk about human rights abuses . That is the definition of human rights. You empower ron, you empower the moderates. Yitzhak rabin, the exPrime Minister of israel used to say i fight terrorism while im negotiating, and im negotiating when im fighting terrorists. Double policy. Demilitarization and deoccupation. You cant go one way. There is no military solution to this, only a diplomatic solution. I strongly disagree. Okay. We can agree to disagree, ron. But we do invite listen, there are many times when were doing this that we invite people on television and they refuse to come on. If they wont come on television, you cant force them to do that, david gergen. Sure. We can argue until the cows come home about who is right and who is wrong. From my point of view, the extremists are wrong on both sides. But weve had these kind of arguments every time a conflict breaks out. The question at issue is why opinion has changed among the young. And i think it has a lot more to do with the nature of what we see about israel today versus what we used to see. Which was a nation that once it occupied the moral high ground. And the pictures make it look like the israelis are the occupiers and the bullies. And thats what theyre fighting. You know, they i think the israelis have to show more restraint. These pictures of hitting u. N. Weve got run, david. And all the rest. But theyve also got to make a case weve got run, guys. Its a fascinating conversation. I promise i will have you guys back, because we need to talk about this. Thank you, rule lab, jebreal, ben ferguson and david gergen. Well be right back. Quicken loans will pay your mortgage for an entire year. That is how its done. Truly amazing get in the holeinone sweepstakes. Enter today at pgatour. Com quickenloans and you could have your mortgage paid for an entire year. Time now for cnn tonight tomorrow, the stories that you will be talking about tomorrow. Homicide. That was the finding of the new york city medical examiner today in the chokehold death of eric garner. Garner died while nypd officers were attempting to arrest him for selling illegal cigarettes. The death was caught on video and shows garner lying on the ground motionless. The officer who put good afternooner in the chokehold was stripped of his gun and badge pending the investigation. Im don lemon. Thats it for us tonight. Thank you for watching. The hunt starts right now