House Judiciary Committee is debating the impeachment of the president of the United States, and over and over again we get how all these questions about the behavior of hunter biden, the president s perhaps most likely opponent, the son of the and i just dont know what our responsibility is as journalists because its not the point, but this is the news. And this is bhawhats there. I also think there was a large shift this morning because weve been saying they havent talked about the substance, the transcript of the conversation. There was a lot of talk this morning about the transcript of the president s conversation with the president of ukraine, and they were suddenly parsing the president s words, which were do us a favor, though. Because our country has been going through a lot. And what congressman skprojorda saying, well, the president was upset and trying to find out what was going on. They were saying the us means it wasnt about him. It reminds me of bill clinton, it depends what the meaning of is is when he was doing his testimony. Now the republicans are taking the conversation, which was crystal clear, because the last part of the conversation talked about crowd strike and biden and it was horrible. And now they are saying, it was a perfect call, effectively. That there was nothing wrong with this call because it was about us, meaning the country, so he didnt abuse his office, he was just concerned about corruption. Carrie, the president has been saying it was a perfect call for weeks and weeks and weeks and thats why he decided to release this rough transcript of the conversation. Go ahead and give us your thoughts, the big picture of what weve been seeing. Ive been watching last night and ive been watching this morning, and i just keep waiting to see when are they actually going to wrestle with the conduct. Thats the issue of the impeachment. Thats the subject of the abuse of power article of impeachment, which is the conditioning of the aid and of the white house meeting for the political investigations. And i think the comments made in her remarks by congressman Sheila Jackson lee not so long ago are really right on, which is the strategy, the republican strategy, has been, as jeffrey said, to distract. Its been distractions about the bidens, its been distractions about conspiracy theories about ukraines involvement in the election. Yesterday it was distractions about fisa and fisa socalled abuse. It was distractions from congressman gomar reading calls from 1943. Its been all distractions and they wont wrestle with the actual conduct. And so it makes me think that this committee, this house Judiciary Committee, is never going to wrestle with those facts. I doubt that the full house is really going to wrestle with those facts. For me the question is will the senate ever wrestle with the actual conduct thats the serious issue. Michael, you testified before this Committee Just a few days ago, so you have a personal understanding of whats going on. Youre an expert on constitutional law. Clearly in your very strong views on what the democrats are trying to achieve with these two articles of impeachment. Yes, and i think the democrats are trying to stick with the facts. The facts certainly found, by duly authorized committees in congres congress. The House Intelligence Committee is one, of course. At the same time i certainly agree with jeff that the difficult here from the publics point of view is that the republicans are talking about corruption being everywhere else except in the white house. So the fact that somebody else was corrupt doesnt make the president innocent. At some point there is going to have to be an engagement in the facts not just in the letter. I also want to point out there is a pattern of activity that leads up to the transcript and continues after the transcript, all of which is a systematic effort to get ukraine to make an announcement of an open investigation. Not an actual investigation but an opening of one. Dana, matt gates, the republican representative from florida, he was saying the democrade democrats ought to be worried, they want to focus on other issues, theyre afraid they might not get reelected if impeachment is the issue right now. He said the republicans are unified, the democrats, he says, increasingly a bit split. Hes right about that on the raw politics of it. The moderate democrats didnt want to do this in the first place. They felt compelled. I talked to several of them i have been talking to them along the way since the white house released the summary transcript of that call and the ukraine issue blew up. And particularly those with National Security backgrounds, they felt that they really didnt have a choice. They never wanted to talk about this. They understood that coming from trump districts, and there are 31 House Democrats who beat republicans and gave the democrats the majority, that allowed the majority to even be in the place where they are right now, of taking up impeachment. They want to talk about prescription drugs, they want to talk about other things, and the frustration and concern among some of them, especially those in really, really big trump districts, like max rose who manu raju has talked to a few times. The concern is that Public Opinion throughout this process as the house has had hearings and there have been public debates have not solidified behind the notion of impeachment for his constituents, the independents and maybe even some republicans that voted it and the democrats that voted for impeachment. Earlier this morning i think it was this morning we were talking about the polling and i think we were pointing to independent voters and how, if youre just looking at those independent voters, the polls do not look good for the democrats. However, if you asked nancy pelosi would she do it again, many democrats, they say yes, because this is what we were sworn to do, to uphold the constitution. And so if you raise the political argument, thats fine, but in a hearing about the constitution and in a hearing about a very solemn hearing, its kind of odd to start raising the polling for democrats. I just want to get back to this notion that republicans said again and again this morning that this was all about the president s deepseated desire to ferret out corruption in ukraine. I mean and republicans said, look, ukraine is corrupt, we know its corrupt and this is what the president was talking about, and the democrats had a great argument back to him which said, if he was so concerned about corruption in ukraine, why wasnt he concerned about it before joe biden became a frontrunner . He never mentioned the word corruption in either call. Exactly. It was almost humorous that they would say, oh, yeah, this is an anticorruption president and this is what his concern was about in this phone call, when he never mentioned it and could have done something about it before. Charlie, you have a unique perspective. Until recently you were a republican member of the house of representatives. 17 republicans in the Judiciary Committee, 22 democrats, one of temperature, ted liu, is ill right now and cant participate. But republicans were saying you guys have not accused the president of any crime, just some big yambiguous articles of impeachment. What do you say . They know that they would be crawling up their backs right now. They would be investigated by the department of justice and they would be in a heap of trouble. By the way, if corruption really is the issue, hey, did the president of the United States call the president of egypt and talk to him about the military assistance and human rights abuses there and corruption . How about calling the crown prince in saudi arabia. We know theres no corruption in saudi arabia. Or pakistan. Or i could go down a long list of countries where we do this. Bottom line is, i think all republicans are talking about adam schiff being a mean guy because the facts are not on their side. Heres the other shift about corruption, is that the president didnt ask about corruption, he just wanted an announcement about investigating joe biden. There was no, can you really do an investigation . All he wanted was for it to be announced so he could use it in his campaign. Can i ask a question, since youre the only one at this table who has the word moderate even though youre a moderate republican and not a moderate democrat. Is it going to be tough for these moderate democrats . Do you think a lot of them will vote now . The politics of impeachment cuts both ways. Is there rick fsk for democrats these swing house districts . Yes. Im not sure how much. I was on new day. They showed a poll on kendra horn in oklahoma. It showed 22 of her constituents were for impeachment, and there was more that were for it. I thought it would be worse in oklahoma. So, yes, there is some risk, but if youre also a moderate republican, say a brian fitzpatrick, there is risk for them. But i think the biggest risk of all is for the Senate Republicans in the swing states who are up. Thats the big risk because the president will be acquitted and those voters are going to be angry. The democrats in those states will be angry and motivated. Jeffrey, we keep hearing the republicans raise the issue of hunter biden, the son of joe biden, and he was working for burisma. He was on the board of this ukranian gas company, he was making a lot of money over the years, and this was corruption and this was unacceptable from the u. S. Perspective of the president of the United States. If the president was so concerned about that, why did he go to the ukranians to complain and seek an investigation, why didnt he go to the fbi or the Justice Department, or why didnt he ask his associates, his friends in congress, to open up a formal investigation . Only in the last couple weeks or so has lindsey graham, the chairman of the Judiciary Committee in the senate, decided to open up an investigation on joe biden and hunter biden. And why did he not mention it at all until joe biden became a candidate for president . This whole burisma chapter was a decade ago, and President Trump has been in office for several years now. This whole notion that the president of the United States had any interest in corruption is just preposterous. The only thing he talked about was 2016 and crowd strike and figuring out a way to embarrass joe biden. And, again, its come back to this issue of how do we handle this in a way that doesnt just give air time to these bogus charges while doing our job of covering the news . Weve been doing a lot of fact checking, the media at large, but its hard to do when its a live event. If youre so concerned about the bidens and what they were doing, the normal procedure for an american president or somebody else is to complain through the fbi or the Justice Department. Look buinto it. Sure. If he had a genuine question of whether there was criminal action that needed to be investigated, the thing to do is refer to the Justice Department and then the white house stays back from it and sees where that goes. But i want to come back to this issue of crime and where there are articles of impeachment the two articles, abuse of power and obstruction of congress. Right, abuse of power and obstruction of congress. The democrats could have taken this talking point away from republicans, that there was no article that addressed a crime by including the strongest cases of factual patterns of obstruction that were laid out in the Mueller Report. There was fact patterns of obstruction laid out in that report. They could have taken a few of the strongest of those and included those and that would have just wiped out that talking point. And so i understand the political judgment that was made to keep this narrow, but from a rule of law perspective and basically giving the president a pass on all of that conduct, i dont like it. Youre under the impression that facts can reput a talking point . Are you new here . I do think that they would have they would have had the opportunity to take those talking points off the table, and if you have an opportunity, why not do it . Were waiting for testimony to resume. Were getting word of concerns within the fbi of, quote, Chilling Effect of the new attacks from the president and the attorney general. Plus, President Trump mocks a teen activist, Greta Thunberg, saying she needs anger management. So you have ten years experience. I do. But no phd . I do have a masters in Early Childhood development. You dont mind if i record this, do you . Uhh, no first kid. Heres all the numbers, foods in the fridge, oh and lucas likes to pull on jewelry so you might want to lose the nose ring. By their second kid, parents are more likely to choose luvs. It absorbs 20x its weight and the triple leakguards lock away wetness for outstanding leakage protection. Live, learn, and get luvs. And everyone has dads eyebrows we chose eleanor. It was greatgrandmas name. 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The house Judiciary Committee is now taking a break for a veseri of votes. The house goes on vacation next week, but before then, they must take a vote on whether the president obstructed congress with its actions with ukraine. We speak to manu raju who has been in this hearing room, and he joins us now to talk about itment mai it. Manu, give us the latest. We expect a lot more fireworks during the course of the day, more members trying to undercut the articles of impeachment, trying to kill the sections of articles. Republicans expected to reject all of them along party lines, and tonight there will be a final vote on these two articles of impeachment for the president who allegedly abused his power in office and mishandling relations with ukraine and congress and its inability to investigate the president and his dealings with ukraine. On the floor of the house, Republican Leaders are now taking the temperature of their caucus. Theyre undergoing whats called whipping, where theyre determining whether or not if their members are going to vote against those articles of impeachment when they come to the floor next week. They are asking all of their members where they stand, going member by member to make sure they stand with the president , with the Republican Leadership, to oppose those two articles of impeachment. And were expecting that the Democratic Leaders dont expect any deflections in their ranks. Well see if that changes on any count. On the democratic side, we do expect two defections and that could potentially grow to a handful more, but nancy pelosi said she would not whip her members, she would not urge them to vote the party lines, she would let them vote however they so choose. Even so, we do expect a majority vote to be taken next week. We expect the majority house to vote to impeach the president next week, and thats ultimately what will matter is if the president went down as the third american president in history to get impeached. They just need a majority in the house. They appear to have a majority despite the handful of defections. We expect this to come down on party lines. A significant vote still today to advance the articles of impeachment to the floor. Expect that here in a matter of hours, brianna. Just moments ago in the hearing, congresswoman loftgren compared President Trump in the hearing. I want to know about how lying about a sexual affair is not an abuse of power, but somehow lying about Foreign Policy is not an abuse of power. It is not before us and should not be before us because it is not an abuse of president ial power. President clinton lied to the grand jury. That is a crime. The article of impeachment that passed the house accused bill clinton of lying to a grand j y jury. A crime and the ability to get to the truth. This is not what is happening here. Big difference. Lets talk about how that comparison shapes up in reality. Jeffrey toobin, what do you think when you listen to what congresswoman loftgren says. It is true that lying to a grand jury is a crime. And that and it is also true that the behavior that the core of conduct here by President Trump is probably not a crime. But if you look at why impeachment exists at all, if you look at what the framers meant by impeachment, they were most concerned with abuse of power. You know, you or i could lie in a grand jury tomorrow. You would never do that i would hope i wouldnt. But you or i could not weekold a withhold aid to ukraine. Only a president can do that, and thats much more significant even if its not a crime. And thats why abuse of power is so much at the core of the impeachment power of Congress Rather than simply a crime. And there is also the small fact that when congress when the framers passed the constitution, article i, ii, iii, there was no criminal code at all, so there were no crimes other than common law crime. Can i just add parn th parenthetically that there were five more members voting almost to the day that president clinton went through this with the Judiciary Committee. I went through this with Bridget Nolan about how the articles have flipped. The alleged crimes you just laid out are apples and oranges in every way, but the overall talking points and arguments for and against impeachment, for and against the process are theyre singing from each others song sheets from back in 98. Its fascinating. Just to add to what dana is saying, its like bill clinton did testify before a grand jury. You did hear from bill clinton because his attorneys believed if he stonewalled and stonewalled and stonewalled, they were eventually going to lose, so they actually had the president of the United States under oath testifying about something. We havent seen that here. We havent heard we have a president who says sure, id like to see everybody testify. Id like to testify just to see same with bob mueller, although that didnt happen, either. So maybe the president ought to testify if they want to make that argument about, well, he lied under oath, lets see what donald trump would do. Congressman, how do you think this shapes up, this comparing bill clinton to President Trump . Well, totally different issues. Perjury is a big deal. You cant lie under oath even if its about sex. But the trump situation is much different, because there was a clear case of using official resources of the United States government, you know, to get a particular outcome, and the outcome was to have his campaign opponent investigated. And, of course, then there was the issue of withholding the funds, the military funds as leverage to pressure zelensky. So i think this is an abuse of the president s office. Its a use of federal resources improperly. I dont know if its a crime or not, i just think like i said, if a member of congress had done it, you would be under investigation by them in a second. It is different, and one of the tells that its different is when we listen to the republicans in this markup, they wont admit to that pretty clear set of facts as reality. Because if they did, then they would have to admit that this is different and this is very serious. Right. I do tend to think the historical references are useful to an extent. But then there comes a point where we have to recognize that the facts of this particular impeachment really are different than any of the historical precedents, because there is a National Security implication, because it involved the conditioning of defense assistance, because it involved pressuring a foreign leader to do something for personal, political benefit. The fact pattern is just different, and thats why the abuse of authority is the centr central issue in this case, and its not some discreet crime we can just point to. If they wanted to go on a discreet crime, like i said earlier, they could have pulled out a few of the obstructive acts that he did on the scope of the mueller investigation. Thats not what this party decided they wanted to go to the map on impeachment for. Is it useful at all, is it useful at this moment . It overlooks a couple basic things to remember. First of all, the constitution is the supreme law of the land. So when you abuse your power, you are violating the constitution. Therefore, it is illegal. Thats the underlying sort of point to be made about the abuse of power here. Hes extended beyond the powers the constitution gives him. The second thing that occurred to me is something we learned in watergate. It was said there, its been said since. Cover up the source of the crime. So we have to look at how the president has abused his office to avoid testifying on the impeachment article. Obstruction of congress is based on a systematic attempt to order people from the executive branch and others in the loop on this ukraine situation not to cooperate with congress, so the coverup itself is probably lacking. And thats so different with what happened to clinton and even nixon that there was a parade of nixon and white house officials to testify who were not prohibited from testifying. Now, nixon fought to keep the white house tapes private, but i released lots of other documents and testimony. Clinton not only testified himself but cooperated with the investigation. And here, that extraordinary eightpage letter that was sent by pat cipollone, the white house counsel, saying, youre not getting any witnesses, youre not getting any documents. That has never been done before. And that, i think, is a precedent that is really a scary one for members of both parties. Because someday there will be a democratic president and the republicans will want his testimony. The hearing of the impeachment is continuing. And an update of the president and whether hes listening to these hearings. The president and another disturbing act, this time on a teen activist, on Greta Thunberg. Hear how she responded when he said she needed to deal with her anger management. Braava jet breaks up messes and gets deep in corners. Braava jet. Only from irobot. The Doctors Office might mejust for a shot. O but why go back there when you can stay home with neulasta® onpro . 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Reporter he seems to be watching and watching pretty closely, brianna, because hes even tweeting about what certain members are saying or what he believes theyre saying. This morning right at 10 00 a. M. When this hearing was unfolding, the president tweeted that Veronica Escobar and jackson lee were wrong. He said they purposely misquoted my call. They were talking about what the president said in the july phone call in all of this, and she quoted the president who said, i would like you to do us a favor, though. She left out the word us but nearly verbatim said what the president said on that call, and representative escobar was comparing withholding that aid to what might have happened to a governor or mayor if they withheld aid and did that to that community. But the president is keeping an eye on this, watching as this debate unfolds, as the republicans are bringing up challenges to the democrats in the articles of impeachment, which we know at the end of the day isnt going to change, but it shows theyre trying to say theyre here and theyre on the president s side. And kaitlan, the president went on to talk about the cover of times person of the year. They announced this yesterday. Shes a 16yearold climate activist. We should also note she has asbergers syndrome which she says is a power for her. The president tweeted, greta must work on her anger management problem and then go to a good oldfashioned movie with a friend, essentially telling her, chill, greta, chill. Shes a climate activist. She has spoken out against the president. He himself as appeared in this magazine multiple times. At one point there was a fabricated time cover with him on the cover hanging out at his private clubs, so clearly something he has a lot of fascination with, brianna. Lets talk about this because this was a really interesting one where hes basically telling her go be a normal kid. Hes saying shes abnormal, hes saying she has anger problems, hes saying she needs to chill, and it doesnt really escape a lot of viewers that hes taking her on in a way that he takes on women who stand up to him. Go on, please. She has as p erkaspergers. Do you think hes taking her on with the aim that she has rrs asp aspergers with that tweet . I dont know, but you should not say things that appear to, intended or not, poke at her for something she was born with, that she cant control and something that she talks about and she has given a lot of people who also suffer from or are born with aspergers, i shouldnt say suffer from, so any person has a responsibility to know who youre talking about and to be careful because words matter. I think its key to who Greta Thunberg is, because she speaks about it as her superpower. You can link that to the fact that she is very direct, that she doesnt really suffer fools, and she gets right to the point. She speaks whats on her mind. Its right out there, and the president sees that, gloria, as an anger problem. Well, she beat him. He would love to be time man of the year, of course, and that wasnt happening. And she won. And it doesnt matter that shes a child. It doesnt matter the age differential. It doesnt matter who she is in particular hes envious. He is completely envious. He wants to be the winner, not the loser. Everything is personal to him. Everything is personal to him, and thats what this is about. And hes president of the United States. And hes got a bully pulpit, and hes got a twitter account with who knows how many millions of people, and this is what he chooses to do with it . Its small, but i have to say im going to disagree a little bit. Shes a public speaker, she gives speeches. I think talking about her is pretty much fair game. No, no. You know whats worse . Denying that Global Warming is happening. I dont really care about being mean on twitter. You know, thats who he is. Let me ask you about this. You shouldnt be mean to anybody who suffers i shouldnt say suffer has that superpower, as she calls it. I also wonder if this is the same for instance, lets just look last week at one of the hearings that we saw where there was a constitutional expert who was making a point that the president said the president can name his son what he wants, but he is not a baron. And i remember thinking, why did she say that . There was just no reason to say that. There were a lot of people who were defenders of the president who said, why would you bring that up . That is inappropriate. My point is, is she fair game . Sure, shes a public figure, but chill, anger management and basically be normal, youre not abnormal when his wife is championing cyberbullying . Its petty and small, and of course he shouldnt do it, but compare to the fact that the planet is melting and there are and that hes trying to get Automobile Companies to not to lower their miles per gallon. That to me is so much more important that the time man of the year has to be about the least important subject in the world, frankly. I have no interest in who is time man of the year. He does. But we have a president of the United States who doesnt believe in manmade climate change. That is the scandal. What he calls this young woman, girl, doesnt matter to me. I dont understand the punching down. Youre right, shes a public figure and she can be criticized. I wouldnt do it the way the president did it, but if your president punches down on a teenage girl, this doesnt make sense to me. He fights with most people all the time. Most president s try to stay above this. Not this one. It fits a pattern and pattern actually does obtain to these impeachment articles. So the president uses that bully pulpit not just against greta, but he uses that bully pulpit to intimidate witnesses. Thats happening in this situation and thats very problematic, to be able to use that bully pulpit and basically make people scared to talk up against him or talk about the truth or to testify. Thats the more dangerous, i think, side of this. Back to our special coverage now of this historic hearing in a moment, but first a warning about the words of President Trump and bill barr. How their attacks could have a Chilling Effect on the fbi. Ost with dullnessfighting neoglucosamine. Boosts cell turnover by 10 times for instantly brighter skin. Bright boost neutrogena®. phone ringing a phones offers big button,ecialized phones. And volumeenhanced phones. , get details on this state program. Call or visit and accessoriesphones for your mobile phone. Like this device to increase volume on your cell phone. phone ringing get details on this state program call or visit a warning that harsh rhetoric coming from President Trump and attorney general bill barr over the fbis handling of the russia investigation is having a Chilling Effect inside the bureau. Telling cnn theyre concerned about agents becoming less aggressive pursuing sensitive invest investigations. Bringing in a former fbi special agent. What are these officials saying . Brianna, learning about concerns from rank and file employees inside the fbi, colleagues david shoretell and evan perez hearing the concern in the wake of release of this Inspector General reports centers on the current attorney generals general characterization of the fbis action the. The attorney general women bail barr talking about techniques used and described the fbis activities as spying, concerning people inside the fbi conducting these investigations, because the question centers on how aggressive agents will be in the future if the same circumstance presents itself. People inside a Political Campaign that might be trying to get dirt from a Foreign Government which is obviously a crime. We heard from one fbi official, i quote, were constantly told to be agile and use all available legal tools to us, but who will risk sticking out their neck now only to have doj chop it off. Its worth noting the Inspector General report was highly critical of the abuse ranging from sloppiness to outright malicious behavior, and that appears to be what the attorney general centered on. Again, the question is how that might impact future investigations, if fbi agents determine they dont want to risk sticking out their neck, so to speak, only to have the department of justice become very critical of their actions as well continue to hear from the attorney general. Obviously, he has his own investigation under way. Awaiting results of that. Josh, great reporting. Thank you so much. Bill barrs opposition appears to be the final straw for eric holder. He wrote a scathing report saying attorney general barr is unfit to lead the Justice Department. Holder goes on to blast barr for not being an impartial Law Enforcement official but a partisan actor under the direct control of President Trump. Holder also condemned barr for his recent comments suggesting communities who protest police may find themselves without police protection. Cnn reached out to the Justice Department for a response to this. Were waiting for that at this point. Jeffrey toobin, as you listen to this what do you think about this . What do you think about holder taking anbar here . I think it is a healthy thing for our country to have a debate about the role of the executive versus the role of the other two branches of government, because attorney general barr has a different view than frankly anyone who has ever served in that job before including Alberto Gonzalez and under, John Ashcroft under george w. Bush. I mean, the idea that the president is within his rights, completely defined congressional oversight is something new under the sun. It is consistent with a view that barr has articulated in other circumstances, but to be acting on it this way is really extraordinary, and you know, attorney general holder, frankly, didnt even talk about the more extraordinary speech that the president that the attorney general gave at notre dame where he was talking about religious freedom, which to him means the ability of religious people to tell gay people you cant come in my store, and i will not make you a wedding cake and i will not take photographs at your wedding. Thats what religious freedom means to bill barr. Thats another aspect that seems very worthy of debate. I just want to come back, though, also to Josh Campbells reporting in this issue of whether or not bill barrs statements accusing the fbi of quote unquote spying, of being very antifbi, frankly, and the Chilling Effect thats going to have on National Security investigations. 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