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Usa donald trump on a winning streak. Lets put this thing away and lets make America Great again. Marco rubio with new momentum. Now the children of the reagan revolution are ready to assume the mantle of leadership. Ted cruz on his texas home turf. Only one strong conservative is in a position to win this race. John kasich, looking forward. Thats where were going to go, all the way to the nomination in cleveland, ohio. Ben carson, fighting on. We take control of america. I say now is the time to do that. Its an epic battle for the soul of the Republican Party and for a huge prize. A treasuretrove of delegates needed to win the nomination. Nothing easy about running for president. Its nasty, its mean, its vicious. When you win, its beautiful. Now, the stage is set for a spirited giveandtake that could shake things up on super tuesday. This is serious. This is not a College Football game. This is not a sport. The time for games is over. Do you think this is fun . Only five republicans are still in the race. And theyre ready to debate, right now. Were live here at the university of houston, and for the tenth republican president ial debate. An enthusiastic crowd is on hand here in the beautiful operahouse of the moore school of music. Texas is the biggest prize. Thats tuesday, super tuesday, when 11 states vote. A day that will go a long way towards deciding who wins the republican nomination. We want to welcome our viewers in the United States and around the world. Im wolf blitzer. This debate is airing on cnn, cnn international, and cnn in espanol. Its also being seen on telemundo and heard on the Salem Radio Network. Telemundo and salem are our partners in this debate, along with the Republican National committee. Wed also like to welcome a very special guest with us here tonight. Ladies and gentlemen, the 41st president of the United States, George Herbert walker bush and former first lady, barbara bush. [ applause ] everyone here is looking forward to a lively debate. Ill be your moderator tonight. Joining me in the questioning, telemundo host, maria slais and dana bash, and Salem Radio Networks hugh hewitt, who worked in the Reagan Administration for six years. Tonight, there are five republican candidates. And theyre ready to join us right now. Please welcome ohio governor, john kasich. [ applause ] senator ted cruz of texas. [ applause ] businessman and real estate developer, donald trump. [ applause ] senator marco rubio of florida. [ applause ] and retired neurosurgeon, dr. Ben carson. [ applause ] ladies and gentlemen. Welcome the republican candidates for president of the United States. [ applause ] now please rise for our national anthem, performed by Country Music artist, dena carter. 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As moderator, i will guide the discussion, asking questions and followups, as mr. Maria celeste, dana bash, and hugh hewitt. Candidates, youll have a minute and 15 seconds to answer and 30 seconds for followups and rebuttals. We have timing lights that are visible to the candidates. Those lights will warn you when your time is up. And as the candidates requested, a bell will sound like this. We know you all want to jump in and debate these critically important issues, but please, wait until youre called on. These are the rules all of the candidates have agreed to. Its time for the candidates to introduce themselves right now. Youll each have 30 seconds. Dr. Carson, youre first. If someone had tried to describe todays america to you 30 years ago, you would have listened in disbelief. Americans know that our nation is heading off the abyss of destruction, secondary divisiveness, fiscal irresponsibility, and failure to lead. Marco, donald, ted, john, we will not solve any of these problems by trying to destroy each other. What we need to do is be looking for solutions tonight. Its not about us, its about the American People. [ applause ] governor kasich . Well, you know, on the way over here, even getting ready earlier and sitting in the green room and watching the early coverage, you know, my father carried me on his back and his father was a coal miner and my mothers mother was an immigrant, could barely speak english. And im standing on this stage. Its pretty remarkable. But i want to tell you, theres a lot of young people watching tonight. You can do whatever you want to do in your life. America is an amazing country, where a kid like me can grow up to run for president of the United States and be on the stage tonight. So to all the young people that are out there, your hopes, your dreams, pursue them. Shoot for the stars. Americas great, and you can do it. Thank you, wolf. Senator rubio . Thank you. This election, we have to decide the identity of america and the 12st century, but we have to find out our identity as a party and a movement. 36 years ago, Ronald Reagan and george h. W. Bush began the reagan revolution. For a generation, they defined conservatism, as limited government and Free Enterprise and a Strong National defense. But they also appealed to our hopes and our dreams. Now we have to decide if we are still that kind of party and still that kind of movement, or if were simply going to become a party that preys on peoples angers and fears. I hope we remain that conservative movement that appeals to our hopes and our dreams and the belief that america will always be better in its future than its been in its history. Senator cruz . Welcome to texas. Here texas provided my family with hope. Here, my mom became the first in our family ever to go to college. Here, my dad fled cuba and washed dishes, making 50 cents an hour to pay his way through the university of texas. I graduated from high school at second baptist not too far away from here. When i ran for senate, i promised 27 million texans i would fight for you ever day and not for the washington bosses. And ill tell you, as i travel the state, democrats tell me, i didnt vote for you, but youre doing what you said you would do, and as president , i will do the same. Mr. Trump . Thank you. My whole theme is make America Great again. We dont win anymore as a country. We dont win with trade. We dont win with the military, isis, we cant even knock out isis, and we will, believe me. We will. We dont win in any capacity with health care. We have Terrible Health care. Obamacare is going to be repealed and replaced. We just dont win. You look at our borders, theyre like swiss cheese. Everybody pours in. Were going to make a great country again. Were going to start winning again. Were going to win a lot. Its going to be a big difference, believe me. Its going to be a big, big difference. Thank you very much. Its now time to begin questions. Voters in the first four states have spoken, and mr. Trump has emerged as the frontrunner, but in five days, the candidates will face their biggest test yet, super tuesday, when nearly half of the delegates needed to win the republican nomination will be awarded and the biggest prize of the night is texas. Immigration is a key issue in this state for all voters nationwide, including the many people watching us tonight on telemundo. So thats where we begin. Mr. Trump, youve called for a Deportation Force to remove the 11 million undocumented immigrants from the United States. Youve also promised to let, what you call, the good ones come back in. Your words, the good ones, after theyve been deported. Senator cruz would not allow them to come back in. He says, thats the biggest difference between the two of you. He calls your plan amnesty. Is it . First of all, he was in charge of amnesty. He was the leader, and you can ask marco, because theyve been debating this every debate that weve had. As far as coming back in, number one, you wouldnt even be talking and you wouldnt have asked that as the first question if it werent for me in my opening when i talked about illegal immigration. It wouldnt even be a big subject. But we either have a country or we dont have a country. We have at least 11 Million People in this country that came in illegally. They will go out. They will come back, some will come back, the best. Through a process. They have to come back legally. They have to come back through a process, and it may not be a very quick process, but i think thats very fair and very fine. Theyre going to get online with other people. The best of them will come back, but theyre going to come back through a process. Senator cruz, whats wrong with letting what mr. Trump calls the good ones come back to the United States. The people that get forgotten in this debate over immigration are the hardworking men and women of this country. Millions of americans that are losing their jobs, millions of legal immigrants that are losing their jobs or seeing their wages driven down. You know, the past couple of weeks, the wall street journal had a very interesting article about the state of arizona. Arizona put in very tough laws on illegal immigration. And the result was, Illegal Immigrants fled the state. And whats happened there, it was a very interesting article. Some of the Business Owners complained that the wages they had to pay workers went up. And from their perspective, that was a bad thing, but what the state of arizona has seen is the dollars theyre spending on welfare, on prisons, on education, all of those have dropped by hundreds of millions of dollars, and the americans, and for that matter, the legal immigrants, who are in arizona, are seeing unemployment drop, are seeing wages rise. Thats who we need to be fighting for. Listen, we have always welcomed legal immigrants, but i think it is a mistake to forgive those who break the law, to allow them to become u. S. Citizens, and thats why ive led the fight against granting citizenship to those here illegally, and thats why i will do the same thing as president. Mr. Trump, do you want to respond to that . Well, im very glad that ted mentioned arizona, because probably, the toughest man on board is sheriff joe arpaio. And two days ago, we totally endorsed me. So, thank you. Senator rubio . Well, first senator cruz has called your immigration plan amnesty and has an ad out there comparing it to president obamas. He says both of you support allowing undocumented immigrants legal status here in the United States after a background check, paying a fine, and paying taxes. Are those claims correct . Well, first of all, before we do anything, and ive, abundantly clear on this, when im president of the United States, before we do anything on immigration, we are going to secure the border. And thats not just the physical border with mexico. Its visa overstays. Thats 45 of the problem right there. It also has to do thats why we need everfy and an entry exit tracking system and so forth. And until that happens, were to the doing anything else. And then well see what the American People are willing to support. And donald mentioned, because he mentioned me in his answer, that his position on immigration is whats driven this debate. The truth is, though, a lot of these positions that hes now take rg new to him. In 2011, he talked about the need for a pathway to citizenship. In 2012, donald criticized mitt romney, saying that mitt lost his election because of selfdeportation. And even today, we saw a report in one of the newspapers that donald, youve hired a significant number of people from other countries to take jobs that americans could have filled. My mom was a made at a hotel, and instead of hiring an american like her, you have brought in over a thousand people from all over the world to fill those jobs instead. So i think this is an important issue. And i think we are realizing that its an important issue for the country thats been debated for 30 years, but finally needs to be solved once and for all. Mr. Trump . First of all, selfdeportation is people are going to leave as soon as they see others going out. If you look at Dwight Eisenhower in the 1950s, they started moving people out and the rest of them left. Selfdeportation, as i really define it, and thats the way i define it, is youre going to get some to go, and the rest are going to go out. As far as the people ive hired in various parts of florida during the absolute prime season, like palm beach and other locations, you could not get help. Its the up season. People didnt want to have parttime jobs. They were parttime jobs, very seasonal, 90day jobs, 120day jobs, and you couldnt get. Everybody agrees with me on that. They were parttime jobs. You needed them, or we just might as well close the doors, because you couldnt get help in those hot, hot sections of florida. That my point that i made was you had criticized mitt romney for selfdeportation. You said that his strategy of selfdeportation is why he lost the election. And i think people in florida would be surprised, because, in fact, the article that was today, they interviewed a number of people, that would have been willing to do those jobs, if you would have been willing to hire them to do it. I criticize mitt romney for losing the election. He should have won that election. He had a failed president , he ran a terrible campaign, he was a terrible candidate. Thats what i criticize mitt romney he excuse me. He ran one terrible campaign. Thats an election that should have been won. Well, in fact, i agree he should have won and i wished he would have, was, in fact, you did criticize him for using the term selfdeportation. Thats on the record and people can look it up right now online. But i want to reiterate, i think its really important, this point. I think its fine, its an important point you raise and we discuss on immigration. This is a big issue for texas and a huge issue for the country. But i also think that if youre going to claim that youre the only one that lifted this into the campaign, that you acknowledge that, for example, youre only person on this stage thats ever been find for hiring people to work on your projects illegally. You hired some no, no, im the only one at this stage thats hired people. You havent hired anybody. In fact, some of the people and by the way ive hired and by the way ive hired tens of thousands of people over my job. Youve hired nobody. Youve had nothing but problems with your credit cards, et cetera. Let me dont me senator, hold on. You havent hired one person, you liar. He hired workers from poland. Thats wrong. Totally wrong. People can look it up. Im sure people are googling right now. Polish workers. Fined 1 million for hiring polish workers on one of his projects. He did it. That happened. Ive hired tens of thousands of people over my lifetime. Tens of thousands. Many from other countries instead of hiring americans. Just be quiet. Let me talk. Ive hired tens of thousands of people. He brings up something from 30 years ago, it worked out very well. Everybody was yeah, you paid 1 million by the way, the laws were totally different. That was a whole different world. Thank you. But ive hired people. Nobody up here has hired anybody. Senator cruz, you say you want to o deport the 11 million undocumented immigrants, but you never want to allow them to come back to the United States. What would happen to the children who are u. S. Born citizens whose parents will be deported under your plan . Well, existing law provides that those who are deported cannot come back here legally. U. S. Citizens can come back. Thats existing law. But let me say, wolf, i really find it amazing that donald believes that he is the one who discovered the issue of illegal immigration. I can tell you, when i ran for senate here in the state of texas, i ran promising to lead the fight against amnesty, promising to fight to build a wall, and in 2013, when i was leading the fight against the gang of eight amnesty bill, where was donald . He was firing Dennis Rodman on celebrity apprentice. And indeed, if you look at the gang of eight, one individual on this stage broke his promise to the men and women who elected him and wrote the amnesty bill. But donald funded the gang of eight. If you look at the eight members of the gang of eight, donald gave over 50,000 to three democrats and two republicans. And when youre funding open border politicians, you shouldnt be surprised when they fight for open borders. And i think if you want to know who actually will secure the borders and follow through, you ought to ask, who has a record before they were a candidate for president , of fighting to secure the borders and stop amnesty, and im the only one on this stage that has that record. And by the way, marco is exactly right, that a federal court found donald guilty of being part of a conspiracy thank you. To hire people illegally and entered a 1 million judgment against him. Mr. Trump . I can only say this. And ive said it loud and clear and ive said it for years. And many of these people are sitting right in the audience right now, your lobbyists and special interests and your donors, because the audience is packed with them and theyre packed with you. Ive had an amazing relationship with politicians with politicians, both democrat, republican, because i was a businessman. As one magazine said, hes a worldclass businessman, he was friendly with everybody. I got along with everybody. You get along with nobody. You dont have one republican you dont have one republican senator, and you work with them every day of your life, although you skipped a lot of time, these are minor details. But you dont have one republican senator backing you, not one. You dont have the endorsement of one republican senator and you work with these people. Senator cruz . You should be ashamed of yourself. You know, i actually think donald is right. He is promising, if hes elected, he will go and cut deals in washington. And hes right. He has supported good deals. But he has given hundreds of thousands of dollars to democrats. Anyone who really cared about illegal immigration wouldnt be hiring Illegal Immigrants. Anyone who really cared about illegal immigration wouldnt be funding harry reid and nancy pelosi, wouldnt be funding the gang of eight. And, you know, he is right. When you stand up to washington, when you honor the promise you made to the men and women who elected you and say, enough with the corruption, enough with the cronyism, lets actually stand for the working men and women of this country, washington doesnt like it, and donald, if you want to be liked in washington, thats not a good attribute for a president. This is robin hood over here. He talks about corruption on his Financial Disclosure form, he didnt even put that hes borrowed money from citibank and from goldman sachs, which is a total violation. He didnt talk about the fact that he pays almost no interest. He just left it off, and now hes going to protect the people from the big, bad banks. Give me a break. Well move on to governor kasich. Can i respond . You can respond, but let me get governor kasich in. Hes been waiting patiently. Governor kasich . The idea youve said this and i want to quote you now. The idea that were going to deport all these people is ludicrous and Everybody Knows it. Those are your words. Should people be allowed to break the law, just because its not feasible to stop them . Look, we have a great president here, george bush, 41st president of the United States, he worked with Ronald Reagan, to pass an effort to try to solve this problem. A path to legalization. You see, that was a time when things worked. It was a time when president reagan and george bush decided that we need to make the country work. Look, i think there is an answer here. The answer is, you complete the border. You let people know, once its done, you dont have a right to come in. If you come in, we dont want any excuse, youre going to go back. But i favor a guest worker program. I think its practical. And i think for the 11 or 11. 5 million americans, the illegals that are here, if they have not committed a crime since theyve been here, id make them pay a fine, some back taxes, maybe some community service, and at the end, i would give them a path to legalization, but not a path to citizenship. I dont think were going to tear families apart. I dont think were going to ride around in peoples neighborhoods and grab people out of their homes. First of all, i dont think its practical and i dont think it reflects america. You know what happened . The problem with president reagan is we didnt get in there and actually finish the border. And i think it was probably business interests that affected it. But at the end of the day, lets be practical. Lets start solving problems in this country instead of kicking them upstairs with, and with president reagan and george bush, it was a Bipartisan Coalition to address the issue, and i think we can and should do it again and i will have a plan in the first hundred days to get it done and get this issue behind us. Thank you, governor. Dr. Carson . Youve been critical of mass deportation. You said back in november, you dont think mr. Trumps plan necessarily represents the Republican Party. Given how well mr. Trump has been doing with the republican primary voters, do you still believe that . I believe in liberty and justice for all. I think everything that we do should be fair. And ive already described, you know, how we can secure the border. We need to secure all the borders, because its not just people coming in from south america and mexico, but there are terrorists who want to destroy us, who are getting across our borders fairly easily. And we have to stop that. But in terms of the people who are here already, after we stop the illegal immigration, we need to be reasonable. And i would give them a sixmonth period in which to get registered, as a guest worker, assuming they have an acceptable record, they have to pay a backtax penalty, have to pay taxes going forward, but dont have to live underground anymore, and i think they do not become american citizens, they do not vote. If they want to become an american citizen, they go through exactly the same process that anybody else goes through. I think thats the kind of situation that is actually fair to people. And we have other ways of utilizing our facilities and our talents, as foreign aid. Doing things in south america and Central America and mexico that improve the economy there, so that they dont feel the need to come over here. That would cost us a lot less than borrowing money from china, paying interest on it. Thank you, dr. Carson. Mr. Trump . Your campaign, as you well remember, began with the idea of building a wall along the southern border, its about 315 miles southwest of where we are right now. Youve said the Mexican Government will pay for it. Correct. The spokesperson for the current president of mexico says, that will never happen. The last two president s of mexico say, that will never happen. In fact, the former president of mexico, vicente fox, he said today, and im quoting him, he said, im not going to pay for that, quote, effing wall. So if you dont get an actual check from the Mexican Government for 8 billion or 10 billion or 12 billion, whatever it will cost, how are you going to make them pay for the wall . I will and the wall just got 10 feet taller, believe me. It just got 10 feet taller. I saw him make that i saw him make the statement. I saw him use the word that he used. I can only tell you, if i would have used even half of that word, it would have been national scandal. This guy used a filthy, disgusting word on television and he should be ashamed of himself and he should apologize, okay . Number one. Number two, we have a trade deficit with mexico of 58 billion a year. And that doesnt include all the drugs that are pouring across and destroying our country. Were going to make them pay for that wall. Now, the wall is 10 billion to 12 billion, if i do it. If these guys do it, it will end up costing 200 billion. But the wall is 10 billion to 12 billion. You need a thousand miles. The great wall of china, built 2,000 years ago, 2,000, is 13,000 miles. We need a thousand, because we have a lot of natural barriers. We can do it for 10 to 12, and this is a real wall. This is a wall thats a heck of a lot higher than the ceiling youre looking at. This is a wall thats going to work. Mexico will pay for it, because theyre not doing us any favors. They could stop all of this illegal trade if they wanted to, immediately. Mexico will pay for the wall. Its a small portion of the kind of money that we lose and the deficits that we have with mexico. If the if the mexicans dont pay for the wall, will you start a trade war with mexico . You know, i dont mind trade wars when were losing 58 billion a year, you want to know the truth. Were losing so much. Were losing so much with mexico and china, with china, were losing 500 billion a year. And then people say, oh, dont we want to trade . I dont mind trading, but i dont want to lose 500 billion. I dont want to lose 58 billion. Mexico just took carrier operation, maker of airconditioners. They just took ford. Theyre building a 2. 5 billion plant. They just took nabisco out of chicago. And i always say, im not having oreos anymore, which is true, by the way. But they just took a big plant from nabisco into mexico. Theyre taking our businesses. I dont mind. Senator rubio . Yeah, a couple points. If he builds the wall the way he built trump towers, hell be using illegal immigrant labor to do it. Such a cute sound bite. Its not a sound bite. Its a fact. Again, go online and google it. Donald trump, polish workers. The second thing about the trade war, i dont understand, because your clothes and the tie you wear are made in mexican and in china. Youll be starting a trade war against your own clothes and suits. They devalue their currencies make them in america. You dont know a thing about business. Well, make them in america. Let me just tell you, they devalue their currencies, china, mexico, everybody, japan, with the cars. They devalue their currencies to such an extent that our businesses cannot compete with them. Our workers lose their jobs. Thats why you make them in china and russia you dont know anything about it because youre a lousy businessman. I dont know anything about bankrupting companies. I dont know anything about starting a Fake University. One at a time. A Fake University there are people who borrow 36,000 to go to Trump University and theyre suing him now. 36,000 to go to a university and by the way and by the way thats a fake school. And you know what they got, they got to take a picture with a cardboard cutout of donald trump. Thats what they got for 36,000. And they actually did a very good job. I won most of the lawsuit. Most of the lawsuit. I want to bring in my colleague, marie am i allowed to respond to this . Youre allowed youve been responding. I havent. I really havent. Hes talked the through the whole thing. Heres a guy who buys a house for 179,000 and sells to it a lobbyist whos probably here for 380,000 and then legislation is passed. You tell me this guy heres the guy that inherited 200 million. If he hadnt inherited 200 million, you know where donald trump would be right now, selling watches no, no, no, that is so wrong. Well work on that. I took 1 million and i turned it into 10 billion. I borrowed 1 million then release your tax return. I borrowed 1 million he doesnt make that much money. Thank you. I want to bring in Maria Celeste of telemundo. Senator rubio, last week you said that on your first day in office, you will get rid of president obamas executive action, known as deferred action for childhood arrivals, daca for short. Its a program that has protected hundreds of thousands of young people that came here when they were children, brought to the u. S. By undocumented immigrants. This is the only home they know. And that is a dramatic change from last april, when you said in spanish, and im going to quote you [ speaking spanish ] which translates to, daca is going to have to end at some point, but it wouldnt be fair to cancel it immediately. So senator rubio, what changed . It didnt change. Why is it now fair to cancel it on day one . No, its the same policy. It will have to end at some moment, and as i said, we will eliminate that executive order. The people that are on it now will not be allowed to renew it and new applicants will now be allowed to apply to it. And its not because were not compassionate to the plight of someone who came here when they were 2 years old. We understand. I know people who are personally impacted by that. The problem with the executive order is it is unconstitutional. The president doesnt have the power to do that. And he himself admitted that. Senator, senator im sorry, but but you went from saying that it was deeply disruptive to deport them immediately to deport them on day one. No, this is not about deportation. Everybody always goes immediately to the issue of deportation. This is about daca. Daca is an executive order that is unconstitutional. I will cancel it on my first day in office. Which means people who currently hold those perms will not be allowed to renew them when they expire and new people will not be able to apply them. I am sympathetic to the plight of people who came here when they were 2 or 3 years old through no fault of their own. No matter how sympathetic we may be to a cause, we can not violate the constitution of the United States the way this president now does on a regular basis. Senator rubio, you accused senator cruz in a previous debate of lying when he said that you said one thing in spanish and another one in english. So in what sense did he lie . Because it is not true that im not going to get rid of daca. I am going to get rid of daca. In the spanish interview, you just read out the transcript in spanish, i said, it will have to end. That will be when i eliminate the executive order and the people who have those permits when they expire will not be able to renew it. And new people will not be allowed to apply. And that is how the program ends and how you wind it down. You allow the people who are on it, when the program expires, they cannot renew it, and it goes away. But i will cancel the executive order as soon as i take as soon as i step foot into the oval office. I have to say, he lied this time. He lied. 100 . 100 . You lied about the polish workers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 38 years ago. Oh, he lied 38 years ago. I guess theres a statute of limitation on lies. Maria, i would note you made the exact same point i made at the last debate and i would agree senator rubio called me a liar for saying that. Weve all seen at home when politicians say, it will have to end some day in the future. That is inevitably when a politician doesnt plan to end it at all. Im reminded of, that is the same position that marco took in iowa on ethanol subsidies. When i campaigned in iowa and took on the lobbyists, took on the corporate welfare, and said, we should have no ethanol subsidies, marcos position was the same as it is towards illegal amnesty. Well, some day it should end, just not now. And frankly, i think we need a president who knows what he believes and is willing to say it on day one, not at the end of his term when its somebody elses problem. Thats not an accurate assessment of what i said about ethanol. What i said is ethanol will phase out. It is facing out now. By 2022, that program expires, by virtue of the existing law and at that point it will go away. I dont agree with the mandate and the program thats in place. But i think its unfair that these people have gone out and invested all this money into this program and were just going to yank it away from them. And again, you read the statement in spanish. I said very clearly on spanish television, daca will have to end at some point, and at that time, i was not a candidate for president. I said, it will end on my first day in office as president , and the people who have it now will not be able to renew it and new applicants will not be able to apply. That is the end of daca. I am sympathetic to this cause. But once again, it cannot supersede the constitution of the United States, which this president habitually and routinely, every single day, ignores and violates. Senator cruz, you and senator rubio are the two candidates of hispanic descent on the stage. As a matter of fact, you are the first hispanic candidate ever to win a caucus or primary. And yet there is the and yet there is the perception in the Latino Community that instead of trying to prove to latinos who has the best plan, the best platform to help them, that you two are spending the time arguing with each other, trying to figure out which one is tougher on immigration, in order to appeal to the majority of republicans. So my question to you is, are you missing a huge opportunity to expand the Republican Base . Well, maria, listen. You are right. It is extraordinary that out of the five people standing on this stage, that two of us are the children of cuban immigrants. It really is an embodiment of the Incredible Opportunity and promise this nation provides. You know, i would note that a lot of folks in the media have a definition of hispanics that you could only be hispanic if youre liberal. That makes sense in the media, but ive got to tell you, one of the things i was most proud of, when i ran for senate here in texas, i earned 40 of the hispanic vote here in texas, at the same time, mitt romney was getting clobbered with 27 of the hispanic vote nationwide. And the reason is, as you know, you look at the values in the Hispanic Community, the values in our community are faith, family, patriotism. You know, weve got the highest rate of military enlistment among hispanics of any demographic in this country. And when i campaigned and i campaigned the same here in houston or dallas, as i did down in the rio grande valley, defending conservative principles, defending judeochristian principles, telling my fathers story. Telling my dads story of coming to america with 100 in his underwear, not speaking english, washing dishes, having hopes and dreams for the american dream, and the truth is, the Obama Clinton economy has done enormous damage to the Hispanic Community. It is not working in the Hispanic Community, and i am fighting so that everyone who is struggling in the Hispanic Community and beyond will have a fair and even shake and the american dream. Maria, i was mentioned in that. Governor kasich i was mentioned. Ill be brief. A couple points. Number one, i do think its amazing that on the stage tonight, there are two descends of immigrants of cuban origin and an africanamerican. We are the party of diversity. Not the democratic party. And the second point i would make is that we have to move past this idea that somehow the Hispanic Community only cares about immigration. Yes, its an important issue, because we know and love people that have been impacted by it. But im going to tell you, the most powerful sentiment in the Hispanic Community, as it is in every immigrant community is the burning desire to leave your children better off than yourself. And you can only do that through Free Enterprise. Thats what we stand for. Not socialism, like Bernie Sanders and increasingly Hillary Clinton. Governor kasich, after the last president ial election, the Republican Party realized that in order to win the presidency, it needed the support of latinos. Guidelines as to how to accomplish that were spelled out in an autopsy report that concluded, and im going to quote it, if hispanic americans hear that the gop in the United States, they wont Pay Attention to our next sentence. So do you think that your fellow republican candidates get it . Well, im not going to talk about that. Ive got to tell you, i was with this little 12yearold girl, was at a town hall meeting, and she said, you know, i dont like all this yelling and screaming at the debates. My mothers thinking i might not be able to watch the thing anymore. I think we ought to move beyond that. About what they think. Im going to tell you what i think. My position on this whole immigration issue has been clear from the beginning. I havent changed anything with it. And, look, my view is, we need Economic Growth. Everything starts with Economic Growth. And how do you get it . Common sense regulations, lower taxes for both business and individuals, and, of course, a fiscal plan that balances the budget. That gives you Economic Growth. I did it when i was in washington as the Budget Committee chairman, negotiating actually with democrats that gave us surpluses, Economic Growth, and the same thing in ohio. But heres the thing that i believe. Economic growth is not an end unto itself. We have no make sure that everybody has a sense that they can rise. Of course, our friends in the Hispanic Community, our friends in the africanamerican community, the promise of america is that our system, when we follow the right formula, is going to give opportunity for everyone. Its what jack kemp used to say. A rising tide lifts all boats, not just some boats, but all boats. And you know what . With me in the Hispanic Community, i think they like me. And i appreciate that, because i want them to have the same opportunity that i and my children and my wife and the people we love have had in this country. Its time to solve problems. Dr. Carson, concerning this recommendation of the report, are you, as a candidate, getting it . I didnt hear the first part of the question. The first part of the question is, there was a report that recommended that in order to approach hispanics and bring them to vote for the Republican Party, certain things needed to happen. And one of them was that they shouldnt feel like they were going to get kicked out of the United States, otherwise they wouldnt Pay Attention to one more sentence from candidates. Okay, well, first of all, let me just mention that last year at naleo, the National Association for latino elected officials, i was the only one of 17 republican candidates to go there. And the reason that i dont fear going to an organization like that is because the message that i give is the same message to every group. You know, this is america. And we need to have policies that are that give liberty and justice to all people, and thats the way that i have fashioned virtually every policy, looking at that. And thats the way the Republican Party generally thinks. We dont pick and choose winners and losers. We are compassionate. But real compassion is providing people with a ladder of opportunity to climb up from a state of dependence and to become part of the fabric of america. When we begin to emphasize that, i think we will attract everybody. Mr. Trump, it is Common Knowledge that the hispanic vote is very important in this race. You keep saying that hispanics love you. True. And, yes, you won the hispanic vote in nevada. True. But a brandnew telemundo poll says that three out of four hispanics that vote nationwide have a negative opinion of you. They dont like you. Wouldnt that make you an unelectable no. Candidate in a general election . First of all, i dont believe anything telemundo says. You used to say that you love number one. Number two. I currently employee thousands of hispanics, and over the years, ive employed tens of thousands of hispanics. Theyre incredible people. They know, and the reason i won in nevada, not only won the big one, but i also won subs, like, as an example, i won with women. I won with every single category. I won with men, i won with highincome, i won with lowincome, i won with hispanics and i got 46 . Nobody else was close. Because they know im going to bring jobs back from china, from japan, from so many other places. They get it. Theyre incredible people, theyre incredible workers. They get it. And ive won many of the polls with hispanics. I didnt maybe win the telemundo poll, but one thing im also going to go, im bringing a lot of people in who are democrats, who are independents, and youre seeing that with the polls. Because if you look at anywhere, look at any of the elections. Every single election, its been recordsetting. And the good news is, for the Republican Party, the democrats are getting very poor numbers in terms of bringing them in. Were getting recordsetting numbers. I think i have something to do with that. Were getting recordsetting numbers. And i won every one the three of them that i won, i won with recordsetting numbers. New people are coming into the Republican Party. We are building a new Republican Party. A lot of new people are coming in. For the record, you have said, publicly, that you love telemundo in the past. But it is not just a telemundo poll. I love them. I love them. All right, well, its not the only poll. Theyre fine. You know what, theyre fine. Let me finish, please. Theyre fine. Just last night, the Washington Post showed that 80 of hispanic voters in their polls have a negative view of you. And concerning the nevada victory, allow me to explain that the poll in nevada was based on a tiny sample, statistically insignificant, of only like a hundred oh, i see. Let me finish, please. Of 100 hispanic republicans in the state of nevada. Why did they take the poll . Why did they waste the time . I am making reference to hispanic voters nationwide in a general election. Im just telling you, im doing very well with hispanics. And by the way, i settled my suit, as you know, with univision. It was settled. Were good friends now. It was all settled. Done. Very happy. Very happy. Very good people. But im just telling you, im just telling you that i will do really well with hispanics. I will do better than anybody on this stage. I have respect for the people on this stage, but i will do very well with hispanics. But im telling you also, im bringing people, democrats over, and im bringing the independents over, and were building a much bigger, much stronger Republican Party. Mr. Trump, thank you. I want to turn our attention now to another critically important issue for the American People, the United States Supreme Court. Where filling the vacancy left by the late Justice Antonin Scalia has become a Major Campaign issue. I want to bring in Salem Radio Network host hugh hewitt. Hugh . Thank you, wolf. To me, its the most important issue. Ill start with you, senator cruz. Do you trust mr. Trump to nominate conservative justices . Well, hugh, i agree with you that Justice Scalias passing underscores the enormous gravity of this election. Justice scalia was someone i knew personally for 20 years, was privileged to be at his funeral this weekend. And with his passing, the court is now hanging in the balance. We are one liberal justice away from a fivejustice radical, leftist majority that would undermine our religious liberty, that would undermine the right to life, and that would fundamentally erase the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms from the constitution. Now, i think the voters of texas, the voters across super tuesday are assessing everyones standing on this, this stage. In the past, republican president s always promise to nominate strict constitutionalists. So im certain if you took a survey, everyone would say they would do that. But the reality is, democrats bat about a thousand. Just about everyone they put on the court votes exactly as they want. Republicans have batted worse than. 500. More than half of the people we put on the court have been a disaster. Ive spent my whole life fighting to defend the bill of rights and the constitution. And i can tell you that for voters that care about life or marriage or religious liberty or the Second Amendment, theyre asking the question, who do you know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, who do you know will nominate principled constitutionalists to the court . I give you my word, every justice i nominate will vigorously defend the bill of rights for my children and for yours. Mr. Trump, senator cruz mentioned the issue that keeps me up at night, which is religious liberty. Churches, catholic and christian colleges, catholic adoption agencies, all sorts of religious institutions fear that hobby lobby, if its repealed, it was a 54 decision, theyre going to have to bend their knee and provide morningafter pills. They fear that if bob jones is expanded, they will lose their tax exemption. Will you commit to voters tonight that religious liberty will be an absolute litmus test for anyone you appoint, not just to the Supreme Court, but to all courts . Yes, i would. And ive been there and ive been there very strongly. I do have to say something, and this is interesting and its not anybodys fault. Its not teds fault. Justice roberts was strongly recommended and pushed by ted. Justice roberts gave us obamacare. Might as well be called robertscare. Two times of the Supreme Court, Justice Roberts approved something that he should have never raised his hand to approve. And we ended up with obamacare. That is a rough thing, and i know ted feels badly about it, and i think he probably still respects the judge, but that judge has been a disaster in terms of everything we stand for. Because there is no way, no way that he should have approved obamacare. Now, with that being said, these are the things that happen. But ted very, very strongly pushed judge roberts and Justice Roberts gave us something that we dont want. Ted cruz, senator, the chief justice got hobby lobby right, but what do you make of mr. Cruzs criticism . Listen, donald knows that it was george w. Bush that appointed john roberts. Yes, its true, i supported the republican nominee once he was made. But i would not have nominated roberts, i would have nominated my former boss, mike lewdick. He was the strongest proven conservative on the court of appeals. And its interesting that donald says he will appoint justices that will defend religious liberty, but this is a man for 40 years has given money to jimmy carter, to joe biden, to Hillary Clinton, to chuck schumer, to harry reid. Nobody who supports farleft liberal democrats who are fighting for judicial activists can possibly care about having principled constitutionalists on the court. And what donald has told us is he will go to washington and cut a deal. So that means on Supreme Court, hes going to look to cut a deal rather than fight for someone who wont cut a deal on the constitution, but will defend it faithfully. Can i trust you on religious liberty . Let me just say this. I watch ted, and i respect him, but he gets nowhere, stand on the senate floor for a day or two days and talk and talk and talk. I watched the other senators laughing and smiling. And when ted was totally exhausted, he left the senate floor and they went back to work. We have to have somebody who make deals. Its wonderful to stand up and do that. I have a sister whos a brilliant excuse me shes a brilliant judge. Hes been criticizing my sister for signing a certain bill. You know who else signed that bill . Justice samuel alito, a very conservative member of the Supreme Court, with my sister, signed that bill. So i think that maybe we should get a little bit of an apology from ted. What do you think . Let me senator. Let me tell you right now, donald, i will not apologize for a minute for defending the constitution. I will not apologize for defending the bill of rights. And i find it amazing that your answer to hugh and to the American People is on religious liberty. You cant have one of the these crazies zealots that actually believes in it. Youve got to be willing to cut a deal. And you know, there is a reason why when harry reid was asked of all the people on this stage, who does he want the most, who does he like the most, harry reid said, donald trump. Why . Because donald has supported him in the past, and he knows he can cut a deal with him. You know what, donald, i dont want a Supreme Court justice that you cut a deal with harry reid to undermine religious liberty, because that same justice will also erase the Second Amendment from the bill of rights. When you say crazy zealot, are you talking about you . Crazy zealot. Give me a break. Senator rubio, youve heard this exchange on religious liberty. You said that religious liberty will trump even the ability of people to stay away from samesex marriages, not provide flowers, not provide baked goods, et cetera. Are you satisfied with this exchange on religious liberty . I think you ask a very important question. Because the issue here, the next president of the United States has to fill this vacancy. Justice scalia, in the history of the republic, there has never been anyone better than him at standing for the principle that the constitution is not a living and breathing document, it is supposed to be applied as originally meant. And the next president of the United States must be someone you can trust and believe in, to appoint someone just as good as scalia, and there could be two other vacancies. You ask mr. Trump to respond and say that he would, and he says that he would. But if you look at his record over the last 25 to 30 years, on issue after issue, he has not been on our side. If hes changed, were always looking for converts into the conservative movement. The bottom line is, you dont have a record there to look at and say, i feel at peace, that when donald trump is president of the United States, hes going to be firmly on our side, on these issues. In fact, very recently, he was still defending planned parenthood. He says hes not going to take sides in the palestinians versus israel. These are concerning things. And so, yes, i have a doubt about whether donald trump, if he becomes president , will replace Justice Scalia with someone just like Justice Scalia. Mr. Trump . Well, let me just say, let me just say, first of all, i have Great Respect for Justice Scalia. I thought he was terrific. And if you talk about evolving, Ronald Reagan was a somewhat liberal democrat. Ronald reagan evolved into a somewhat strong conservative. More importantly, he was a great president. A great president. As far as planned parenthood is concerned, im prolife. Im totally against abortion having to do with planned parenthood, but millions and millions of women, cervical cancer, breast cancer, are helped by planned parenthood. So you can say whatever you want, but they have millions of women going through planned parenthood that are helped greatly. And i wouldnt fund it. I would defund it because of the abortion factor, which they say is 3 . I dont know what percentage it is. They say its 3 . But i would defund it because im prolife. But millions of women are helped by planned parenthood. Governor kasich, back to religious liberty. Youve been a little bit less emphatic. Youve said samesex couple approaches a cupcake maker, sell them a cupcake. Can we trust you as much on religious liberty as the rest of these people . I mean, of course. And i was involved in just being a pioneer in a new church. Religious institutions should be able to practice the religion that they believe in. No question and no doubt about it. Now, in regard to samesex marriage, i dont favor it. Ive always favored traditional marriage, but, look, the court has ruled and ive moved on. And what ive said, hugh, is that, look, where does it end . If youre in the business of selling things, if youre not going to sell to somebody you dont agree, okay, today im not going to sell to somebody whos gay, and tomorrow maybe i wont sell to somebody whos divorced. If youre in the business of commerce, conduct commerce. Thats my view. And if you dont agree with their lifestyle, say a prayer for them when they leave and hope they change their behavior. But when it comes to the religious institutions, they are inviolate in my mind, and i would fight for those religious institutions. And look, ive appointed over a hundred judges as governor. I even appointed a judge to the ohio Supreme Court. And you know what they are . Theyre conservatives. Thats unfair. And this is the responsibility of congress to come back and correct what the Supreme Court has done. Thats why we have divided government. And were going to have to encourage them to act in an appropriate way, or we will lose our religious freedom. And as president , i will go through and i will look at what a persons life has been. What have they done in the past, what kind of judgments have they made . What kind of associations do they have . That will tell you a lot more than an interview will tell you. The fruit salad of their life is what i will look at. Thank you, dr. Carson. All of you want to repeal and replace obamacare, so lets talk about your plan, specific plans to replace it. I want to bring in our chief political correspondent, dana bash. Senator rubio, you said yesterday, right here in houston, that mr. Trump thinks that part of obamacare is pretty good. So, he says he is going to repeal obamacare. Are you saying that youre worried he wont . He said he likes the individual mandate portion of it. Which i dont believe that should be part of it. That should not remain there. I think heres what we need to replace it with. We need to repeal obamacare completely and replace it with a system that puts americans in charge of their Health Care Money again. If your employer wants to buy Health Insurance for you, they can continue to do so so from any company in america they want to buy it from. Otherwise, your employers can provide you Health Care Money, taxfree, not treated as income, and you can use that money only for health care, but you can use it to Fund Health Care any way you want, fully fund a Health Savings account, the combination of a Health Savings account or a private plan from any company in any state in the country. And if you dont have that, then you will have a refundable tax credit that will provide you money to fund your own health care. And i think thats a much better approach than obamacare. Its not only bad for health care, but bad for our economy. Its forcing people to lay people off, cut peoples hours, move people to parttime. Its a jobkilling law and i will repeal it as president and we will replace it with something substantially better for all americans. Mr. Trump, senator rubio just said that you support the individual mandate. I just want to say, i agree with that 100 , except preexisting conditions. I would absolutely get rid of obamacare, well have something much better, but preexisting conditions, when im referring to that, and i was referring to that very strongly on the show with Anderson Cooper, i want to key preexisting conditions. I think we need it. I think its a modern age, and i think we have to have it. Okay, so lets talk about preexisting conditions. What the Insurance Companies say is that the only way they can cover people is to have a mandate requiring everybody purchase Health Insurance. Are they wrong . I think theyre wrong 100 . What we need look, the Insurance Companies take care of the politicians. The Insurance Companies get what they want. We should have gotten rid of the lines around each state so we could have real competition. We thought that was gone. We thought those lines were going to be gone and something happened at the last moment where obamacare got approved and all of that was thrown out the window. The reason is some of the people in the audience are insurance people and insurance lobbyists and special interests. They got im not going to point to these gentleman. Of course, theyre part of the problem, other than ben, in all fairness, and actually, the governor too. Lets just talk about these two, okay . Because i dont think the governor had too much to do with this. But we should have gotten rid of the borders, gotten rid of the lines around the state so theres great competition. The Insurance Companies are making a fortune on every single thing they do. Im selffunding my campaign. Im the only one in either party selffunding my campaign. Im going to do whats right. We have to get rid of the lines around the states, so theres serious, serious competition. And youre going to see excuse me. Then youre going to see preexisting conditions and Everything Else be part of it, but the price will be done. And the Insurance Companies can pay. Right now, theyre making a fortune. Just to be specific here, what youre saying is getting rid of the barriers between states, that is going to solve the problem of preexisting thats going to solve a lot of the problems. And the Insurance Companies arent going to say that. They want to keep it. Theyll say whatever they have to say to keep it the way it is. I know the Insurance Companies. Theyre friends of mine. The top guys, theyre friends of mine. I shouldnt tell you guys, its terrible, youll say i have a conflict of interest. Theyre friends of mine. Some of them are in the audience. One of them was waving to me, he was laughing and smiling. Hes not laughing so much anymore. Hi. But you know what . The Insurance Companies are making an absolute fortune. Yes, they will keep preexisting conditions and that would be a great thing. Get rid of obamacare. Well come up with new plans, but we should keep preexisting conditions. And i mentioned in his response, so if i may about the Insurance Companies, you may not be aware of this, donald, because you dont follow this stuff very closely, but heres what happened. When they passed obamacare, they put a bailout fund in obamacare. All of these lobbyists they keep talking about, they put a bailout fund in the law that would allow taxpayer money to be used to bail out companies when they lost money. And we led the effort and wiped out that bailout fund. The Insurance Companies arent in favor of me. They hate that. Theyre suing to get that bailout money to be put back in. This is an important thing. What is your plan . I understand the lines around the state, whatever that means. This is not a game where you draw maps you dont know what it means. That is the problem. What is your plan . The biggest problem, he doesnt know. The biggest problem hes got is he doesnt know. Whats his plan . I watched him melt down two weeks ago with chris christie, ive got to tell you, the biggest problem hes got is he really dont know about the lines. The biggest thing weve got and the reason we have no competition is because we have lines around the state and you have you already mentioned that as part of my plan. I know what that is. What else is part of your plan . The only thing is to get rid of the lines around the states . What else is part of your health care . What the lines around the state means and you were almost done. Excuse me. Excuse me. Excuse me. Whats your plan . Brings in competition. When you get rid of the lines, it brings in competition. So instead of having one Insurance Company taking care of new york or texas, youll have many. Theyll compete. And it will be a beautiful thing. Right and what so thats the only part of the plan . Just the lines. The interstate competition . The nice part about you have many different plans. Youll have competition. Youll have so many different plans. Now hes repeating himself. No, im not no, no, no, no. Mr. Trump . No, no, no. I dont repeat myself. I dont repeat myself. You dont repeat yourself . Heres the guy who repeats himself. I dont you repeat yourself every day. Talking about repeating. I watched him repeat himself five times four weeks ago i saw you repeat yourself five times five seconds ago. I watched him. I watched him melt down on the stage like ive never seen anybody lets stay swimming pool. Focused. I said lets talk about your plan. He says five things, everyones dumb, hes going to make America Great again. Win, win, win. Hes winning in the polls. And the lines around the states. Every night. Same thing. Senator rubio. I tell the truth. I tell the truth. Senator rubio. You will have time to respond, if you can just let mr. Trump respond. If you can talk a little bit more about your plan. Were going to have many different plans hes done it again theres going to be competition. There is going to be Competition Among all of the states and the Insurance Companies. Theyre going to have many, many different plans. Is there anything else that you would like to add to that . No, theres nothing to add. Whats to add . What is to add . Thank you both. All right. Governor kasich, you have said it is, quote, unamerican to deny someone Health Insurance if they have a preexisting condition. Would you leave the individual mandate in place, requiring all americans to purchase insurance . No, i wouldnt. But that doesnt matter when it comes to the issue of preexisting conditions. You dont want any american to lose their house, everything theyve saved because they get sick. Now, i think it is more complicated than what weve heard here tonight. Were actually running Significant Health reform in my state. I would repeal obamacare for a variety of reasons. I would take federal resources, combined with resources, freed up with the medicaid plan and cover the people who are current the working poor, because we dont want to have tens of millions of americans losing their Health Insurance. And then were driving towards total transparency. The any of you here ever get a hospital bill, its easier to interpret the dead sea scrolls than to understand your hospital bill. The fact is, what we need is transparency with hospitals and with the providers. And ill tell you what we will do. We are actually going to make payments to physicians and to hospitals who actually deliver health care with great quality at low prices. We actually are going to make the market work. Governor, let me go back to the original question about the individual mandate. In 1994, when you were in congress, you proposed a plan requiring an individual mandate. So what changed . Well, dana, the Heritage Foundation had this position as well. And when i look at it, i dont think its tenable. And we dont need to do that. Again, im telling you that we are going to we have a proposal, a plan that were enacting now, that says, if you are a hospital or a doctor, and youre providing very highquality, at lower prices, below the midpoint, some charge high, some charge low. If you are below the midpoint, we are going to give you a financial reward for allowing you to provide services that result in high quality for our people at lower prices. That is the way in which we are going to tamp down the rising costs of health care. Because if you think about your own deductibles today, theyre going higher and higher and higher. And you know what, at some point, people cant afford it. Our plan will work. It uses the market. It uses transparency. It gets the patient in the middle. And guess what, were actually doing it in my state, the seventh largest state in the country. And if this will go national, we will get our hands on health care where you will know whats going on. We will pay for quality, lower prices, and we will begin to see health care become affordable in america. And where people will also be able to have Health Insurance, even if they have a preexisting condition. We dont want to throw millions of people out into the cold and not have the Health Insurance, dana. So thats really what were doing. This is not a theory. This is what we are actually doing in our state. We will begin payments next year, based on episodes that we have in our lives. If our primary care physicians keep us healthy for a year, with really high quality, guess what, they will get a financial reward. Our primary care physicians need help, they need support, were losing them. This will allow them to get a reward for doing a great job. Governor kasich, thank you. Thank you. Dr. Carson. Dr. Carson, you have dealt with the sickest of patients. You support covering preexisting conditions. How would you change obamacare, but maintain that coverage . First of all, health care is not a right, but i do believe it is a responsibility for a responsible society, and we are that. We spend almost twice as much per capita on health care as many other nations who have actually much better access than we do. I propose a system in which we use Health Empowerment accounts, which are like a Health Savings account, with no bureaucrats, and we give it to everybody from birth until death. They can pass it on when they die. We pay for it with the same dollars that we pay for Traditional Health care with. We give people the ability to shift money within their Health Empowerment account, within their family. So dads 500 short, mom can give it to him, or cousin or uncle, and it makes every family their own insurance carrier, with no middleman. It gives you enormous flexibility. And also, you know, if uncle joe is smoking like a chimney, everybodys going to hide his cigarettes, because theyre all interested in whats going on there. And also, your Catastrophic Health care is going to cost a lot less money now. Because the only thing coming out of that is Catastrophic Health care. So, its like a homeowners policy with a large deductible, versus a homeowners policy where you want every scratch covered. One costs 1,500 a year, one costs 10,000 a year. You can buy the 1,500 one. That will take care of 75 of the people. The people who are indigent, how do we take care of them now . Medicaid. Whats the medicaid budget, almost 500 billion. Almost 80 Million People participate, which is way too many, and that will get a lot better when we fix the economy, which i hope we get a chance to talk about. But over 5,000 for each man, woman and child. And they could have a lot more flexibility. What could you buy with that . A concierge practice, and you could still have thousands of dollars left over. Thank you. Let me just finish. Because i dont get to talk that much. And lets you have the money thats left over to buy your catastrophic insurance. But most importantly, we give them a menu, just like we do on Medicare Part c, and they have the choices that will allow them not only to have Catastrophic Health care, but drug care, and Everything Else. It will be such a good program, that nobody will want obamacare after that. And thats probably the best way to do it, although if anybody still did, i would still defund it. Thank you. Thank you, dr. Carson. Lets talk about the economy. Lets talk about wolf, wolf, wolf. Does everyone get to address obamacare but me . I want to move on, but therell be plenty of opportunities for you to address its kind of an issue i have a long history with. I know you do. All right, go ahead. Thank you, wolf. How do you get that extra time, cruz . Youre very good at you know, this is another issue on which donald and i have sharp disagreements on planned parenthood. He thinks planned parenthood is wonderful. I would instruct the department of justice to investigate them and prosecute any and all criminal violations. On obamacare, both donald and i say we want to end it, but for very different reasons. I want to end it because its gone too far, its killed millions of jobs, and its hurting Peoples Health care. Donald wants to end it, because he says it doesnt go nearly far enough. And what was amazing in that exchange thats missing is that for decades donald has been advocating socialized medicine. What hes said is that the government should pay for everyones health care. And a couple of debates ago, he said, if you dont support socialized health care, youre heartless. Social democrats have been saying that for years. If youre a Small Business owner, Donald Trumps socialized medicine, putting the government in charge of your health care would kill more jobs than obamacare, and if youre elderly, the results of socialized medicine in every country on earth where its been implemented has been rationing, has been the government saying, no, you dont get that hip replacement, you dont get that knee replacement. The government is in charge of your health care. Ill tell you that as president , i will repeal every word of obamacare. Thank you, thank you. Mr. Trump . I do not want socialized medicine, just so you understand. He goes around saying, he wants it. I do not want socialized medicine. I do agree with him, its going to be a disaster, obamacare, for the economy. In 2017, it will be impossible for us the to pay for it if you look at whats going on. Thats why it has to be repealed. For a lot of reasons, number one, it doesnt work. Number two, you look at premiums going up, 25, 35, even 45 and more. We have to get rid of obamacare. It is going to destroy our economy completely. Our economy is not doing well. It is going to destroy our economy greatly. And on that, i agree. Donald, true or false, youve said the government should pay for everyones health care . Thats false. Youve never said that . I said it worked in a couple of countries youve never stood on this debate stage and says it works great in canada and scotland and we should do it here. No, i did not. Did you say, if you want people to die on the streets if you dont support socialized health care, you have no heart. Correct. I will not let people die on the streets let me talk. Explain your plan, please. My plan is simple. Well have private health care, but i will not allow people to die on the sidewalks and the streets of our country if im president. You may let it and you may be fine with it so does the government pay for everyones health care . We are going yes or no. Just answer the question . Excuse me. We are going to take those people and those people are going to be serviced by doctors and hospitals. Were going to make great deals on it, but were not going to let them die in the streets. Who pays for it . I want to clarify something gentleman, please. I want to clarify something because that attack about letting people die in the streets gentleman, gentleman. All of you have agreed senator cruz call it what you want. Its a yes or no . Call it what you want, people are not going to be dying on the sidewalk. All of you have agreed to the rules. I want to move on. Were talking about the economy right now. Mr. Trump, you want to cut taxes more than president Ronald Reagan did, more than president george w. Bush did. The independent Tax Foundation says the cost to the country of your proposal would be about 10 trillion and that takes into account the Economic Growth that would emerge from your proposed tax cuts. How would you cut 10 trillion over ten years, but make sure the country isnt saddled with even more debt . Because the country will become a dynamic economy. It will be dynamic again. If you look at whats going on, we have the highest taxes anywhere in the world. We pay more business tax, we pay more personal tax. We have the highest taxes in the world. Its shutting off our economy. Its shutting off our country. We have trillions of dollars we cant get in. We will do my tax plan and it will be great. We will have a dynamic economy again. What specific cuts will you make to pay for that tax cut . Were going to make many cuts in business. Were going to get rid of so many different things. The department of education, common core is out, were going local. Have to go local. Environmental protection. We waste all of this money, were going to bring that back. Were going to cut many of the agencies and be dynamic again. Mr. Trump if you eliminate the department of education as you propose, about 68 billion. If you eliminate the Environmental Protection agency, thats about 8 billion. 76 billion for those two agencies. The current deficit this year is 544 billion. Where are you going to come up with the money . Waste, fraud, and abuse. All over the place. Waste, fraud, and abuse. You look at whats happening with Social Security. Look at whats happening with every agency. Waste, fraud, and abuse. We will cut so much, your head will spin. Governor kasich, when you were in congress, you were chairman of the Budget Committee. You helped craft the last balanced budget the United States had. Can mr. Trumps plan work . Well, i think it takes three things, wolf. And ive done it. I mean, we got the budget balanced. We cut the Capital Gains tax. You see, in order to get this economy moving again, you have to grow the economy and you have to restrain the spending. And when i was chairman, we cut that Capital Gains tax and we instituted a Significant Program to get the balance. We had a balanced budget four years in a row. Had to take on every Interest Group in washington. Every single one of them. And we paid down half a trillion of the National Debt. And why do you do it . Because you want job growth. If you dont have regulatory reform, common sense regulations, reasonable tax cuts, which i have, and a fiscal plan, you wont get there. You will never be able to do it. I inherited an 8 billion hole in ohio. I have common sense regulations. I have tax cuts, the biggest of any governor in the country. And we have a fiscal plan. And its not always cutting, its innovating. Its producing a better product at frankly a lower price. Now we have a 2 billion surplus. Our credit is strong. Our pensions are strong. And look, ive got a plan to take to washington, and i will have it there in the first hundred days, and it will include shipping welfare, education, transportation, medicaid, and job training back to us so we can begin in the states to be the laboratories of innovation. Ive done it in washington, four years of balanced budgets. No one can even believe it happened. Ive done it in ohio. Were growing. The jobs are up and people are having opportunity. And i will go back to washington and do it again for the American People. I promise you that. Within the first hundred days, we will have the plan to get this done. Thank you, governor. Speaking of taxes i just want to say, and im a big fan of the governor, but they also struck oil. So that helped ohio a lot. Let me just talk about that. Because i know that donald believes the Energy Industry is important, and so do i. But of the over 400,000 jobs that weve created in the state, we think maybe 15,000 are connected to this industry. Because its early stage. What weve done in ohio, and what a president needs to do is to have a cabinet and a whole operation thats jobs friendly. We have diversified our economy. We do have energy. We have medical devices. We have financial services. We have i. T. We just got amazon. Cloud computing in the midwest. You know why its happening . Because were balanced budgets. Were strong. Were job friendly. We dont raise the taxes. If we have a president that does that in america, we will get the Economic Growth, and that is what this country needs. Jobs, jobs, and jobs, period mr. Trump, yesterday, the last republican president ial nominee, mitt romney, called on you to release your back tax returns and said, and im quoting him now, there is good reason to believe there is a bombshell in them. Romney said either youre not as wealthy as you say you are, said maybe you havent paid the kind of taxes we would expect you to pay, or you havent been giving the money to veterans or disabled people. Are any of those accusations that he has leveled true . First of all, let me just explain. I was the first one to file a Financial Disclosure form. Almost 100 pages. You dont learn anything about somebodys wealth with a tax return. You learn it from statements. I filed, which shows that im worth over 10 billion. I built a Great Company with very little debt. People were shocked. The people in the back, the reporters, they were shocked. I filed it on time. I didnt ask for five 45day extensions, which i would have been entitled to. So as far as thats concerned, i filed it. And thats where you find out what kind of a company. You dont learn anything from a tax return. I will say this. Mitt romney looked like a fool when he delayed and delayed and delayed, and harry reid baited him so beautifully. And mitt romney didnt file his return until september 21st of 2012, about a month and a half before the election. And it cost him big league. As far as my return, i want to file it. Except for many years, ive been audited every year. 12 years, or Something Like that. Every year they audit me, audit me, audit me. Nobody gets audited i have friends that are very wealthy people, they never get audited. I get audited every year. I will absolutely give my return, but im being audited now for two or three years, so i cant do it until the audit is finished, obviously. And i think people would understand that. Hugh, go ahead. Mr. Trump are you going to ask anybody else a question . Every single question comes to me . I know im good for the ratings, but its a little bit ridiculous. Mr. Trump, a year ago you told me on my radio show, the audio and the transcript are out, theyre on youtube, that you would release your tax returns. True. Are you going back on your commitment . First of all, very few people listen to your radio show. Thats the good news. Let me just tell you. Which happens to be true. Check out the ratings. Look, let me just tell you something. Let me just tell you something. I want to release my tax returns, but i cant release it while im under an audit. Were under a routine audit. Ive had it for years, i get audited. Obviously, if im being audited, im not going to release a return. As soon as the audit is done, i love it. So senator rubio, mitt romney also called upon you to release your tax returns. Your Campaign Said last spring that you would release your returns, that you had not previously released. When are we going to see your return . Tomorrow or saturday is our plan to release them. And theres nothing really that interesting in them. I have no problem releasing them. Luckily, im not being audited this year, or last year, for that matter. But this is my time. I want to go back to this question you asked about the debt. This is an important issue. Its a huge issue. In less than five years, 83 of our entire budget will be made up of Social Security, medicare, medicaid, and the interest on the debt. That means only 17 of our budget will be things like the military or the department of education or Environmental Protection issues. You cannot balance our budget unless you deal with that 83 . Which is why ive been repeatedly talking about, since my time running for the senate in florida, where there are a lot of people like my mother that depend on Social Security and medicare, on the need to save those programs by reforming the way they work for future generations. And i think the longer we take to do this, the closer we are going to get to a debt crisis. And wolf, you did not get an answer to your question. This debt issue the next president of the United States will not be able to serve four to eight years without dealing with the National Debt. It is not a question of if. It is a question of when we have a debt crisis. And we should not leave the stage here tonight without hearing a serious answer from every single one of us about how were going to bring the National Debt under control once and for all. Thank you, senator rubio. Im being fair to all of the candidates. Senator cruz, tuesday is five days away. Why havent voters seen your 2012, 2013, and 2014 returns . So, ive released five years of tax returns already. We will have two more years available tomorrow. And i would note that this question really goes you know, donald says hes being audited. I would think that would underscore the need to release those returns. If he has said something that was false and that an audit is going to find was fraudulent, the voters need to know. And listen, people across this country, we recognize our country is in crisis. The most important question is how do we win the general election in november 2016, and roughly 65 of republicans think donald is not the right candidate to go against Hillary Clinton. Part of the reason, the last ten polls on real clear politics, hes lost to hillary in eight of them. In the last ten polls, i either tie or beat hillary. And this is an example. The Mainstream Media is laying off donald right now. Theyre going to pick apart his taxes, pick apart his business deals, and lets take for example one of hillarys great vulnerabilities. The corruption at the clinton foundation. The fact that she had ceos and Foreign Companies giving her money while he was secretary of state. The next republican nominee needs to make that case against hillary. If donald tried to do it, hillary would turn to donald and say, but gosh, donald, you gave 100,000 to the clinton foundation. I even went to your wedding. He cant prosecute the case against hillary, and we cant risk another four years of these failed Obama Policies by nominating someone who loses to Hillary Clinton in november. Go ahead. At the beginning, i said, openly to everybody that i contribute to many, many politicians, both republican and democrat. And i have over the years. Im a businessman. I have over the years. And i sort of have to laugh when ted makes a big deal out of the fact that hes doing well in the polls. Well, im beating him in virtually every poll. Im tied in texas, by the way, which i shouldnt be, but i think i do very well. But, a poll just came out, a bloomberg poll where im beating him so badly, that its embarrassing for me to even say im beating him that badly. And heres the thing. It was sort of funny. 65 of the people dont like you. I just got 36 of the vote, right . I just got 46 on another one. I got 38 on another one. That means and he got 20 and 22 and he lost in South Carolina so badly. That was going to be his stronghold. He said a year ago, okay, i cant lose South Carolina. I beat him in a landslide. Last week in nevada, i beat him in a landslide. And hes saying about the polls. One other thing, Hillary Clinton, take a look at usa today. Take a look at the cue poll. I beat her and i beat her badly. And i havent even started on her. I only had one little interchange. I only had one little interchange. And that was four weeks ago when she said i was sexist and, believe me, they had a rough weekend that weekend between bill and hillary. They had a rough weekend. Gentleman, gentleman, gentleman hold on, he attacked me i was about to say, senator cruz, respond. Thank you very much. It was interesting, donald went on an extended tirade about the polls, but didnt respond to any of the substance. He has yet to say that he can release past years tax returns, he can do it tomorrow. He doesnt want to do it, because presumably theres something in there thats bad theres nothing. If not, release them tomorrow. Theyre already prepared. The only reason hes not releasing them is because hes afraid hell get hit. Im not afraid. Marco made reference earlier to the litigation against Trump University. Its a fraud case. His lawyers have scheduled the try for july. I want you to think about, if this man is the nominee, having the republican nominee on the stand in court, being crossexamined about whether he committed fraud. You dont think the Mainstream Media will go crazy on that . And on substance, how do we nominate a candidate who has said Hillary Clinton was the best secretary of state of modern times, who agreed with her on Foreign Policy, who agrees with Bernie Sanders on health care, who agreed with barack obama on the wall street bailout . All right. If weve got to win this election, and we cant do it with a candidate who agrees with Hillary Clinton and cant take it to her and beat her on the debate stage and at the polls. Mr. Trump hold on. Mr. Trump first of all, talking about the polls, im beating him awfully badly in the polls. But youre not beating hillary. Youre not beating hillary. Hey, if i cant beat her, youre really going to get killed, arent you . So let me ask you this, because youre really getting beaten badly. I know youre embarrassed, but keep fighting. Keep swinging, man. Swing for the fences. Let me just tell you. Let me just tell you. The Trump University case is a civil case, not a its a civil case. Its a case where people want to try to get its a case that is nonsense. Its something i could have settled many times. I could settle it right now for very little money, but i dont want to do it out of principle. The people that took the course all signed most many, many, signed report cards saying it was fantastic, it was wonderful, it was beautiful. And believe me, ill win that case. Thats an easy case. A civil case. Number two, as far as the taxes are concerned, im being audited. Its a very routine audit. And its very unfair, because ive been audited, for, i think, for over 12 years, everybody year, because of the size of my company, which is very, very large, im being audited. Which is a very large company. Thank you. Im being audited, 12 years in a row, at least. Now, until that audits done, and i dont think anybody would blame me, im not giving thank you, thank you. Thank you. Gentleman years youre not being audited. Gentleman im being audited for those years. Which years . Four or five years. Gentleman, we have rules, were trying to obey these rules that all of you agreed. Were going to take a quick break. We have a lot more, many more critically important issues to discuss. 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Im the oldest of six. To me being the first person to go to college, its like setting a standard, you know . My little brother is eight years old now. I challenge his curiosity, i challenge him to dream. I have to paint a picture for him. That he can look up to, and live up to, and possibly be better than. My name is jacquez, and i am your dividend. Welcome back to the republican president ial debate here at the university of houston. Gentleman, i want to turn our attention right now to key issues involving Foreign Policy and National Security. And mr. Trump, ill begin with you. Shocking. You said this about the ongoing conflict between the israelis and the palestinians. Im quoting you now. Let me be sort of a neutral guy. I dont want to say whose fault it is. I dont think it helps. Right. Heres the question. How do you remain neutral when the u. S. Considers israel to be americas closest ally in the middle east . Well, first of all, i dont think they do, under president obama, because i think hes treated israel horribly, all right . I think hes treated israel horribly. I was the grand marshal down fifth avenue, a number of years ago, for the israeli day parade. I have very close ties to israel. I have received the tree of life award and many of the greatest awards given by israel. As president , however, there is nothing that i would rather do to bring peace to israel and its neighbors, generally, and i think it serves no purpose to say that you have a good guy and a bad guy. Now, i may not be successful in doing it. Its probably the toughest negotiation anywhere in the world of any kind, okay . But it doesnt help if i start saying, i am very proisrael, very pro, more than anybody on this stage, but it doesnt do any good to start demeaning the neighbors. Because i would love to do something with regard to negotiating peace, finally, for israel. And for their neighbors. And i cant do that as well as a negotiator, i cannot do that as well if im taking big, big sides. With that being said, i am totally proisrael. Senator cruz . Well, this is another area on which donald agrees with Hillary Clinton and on which i disagree with them both strongly. Both donald and Hillary Clinton want to be neutral, to use donalds words, between israel and the palestinians. Let me be clear. If im president , america will stand unapologetically with the nation of israel. And the notion of neutrality is based upon the left buying into this moral relativism that is often pitched in the media. Listen, it is not equivalent, when you have terrorists strapping dynamite around their chests, exploding, and murdering innocent women and children, they are not equivalent to the idf officers protecting israel, and i will not pretend that they are. Just today iran announced theyre going to pay 7,000 to each suicide bomber. And i would note, missing from donalds answer was anything he has done in his nearly 70 years of living, defending israel. I have over and over again, led the fight to defend israel, to fight for israel, and this, if you want to know who will stand with israel, we ought to start with who has stood with israel, when the heat was on. Mr. Trump . Well, i can only say, look, i can only say, ive been a big contributor to israel over the years. Ive received many, many awards from israel, as ive said before, ive had a great relationship with israel and im going to keep it that way. And if i could bring peace, that would be a fantastic thing. It would be one of my greatest achievements as president. Governor kasich, i want you to weigh in. Wolf, i was in congress for 18 years, and on the defense committee. And then, you know, after 9 11, the secretary of defense called me in to help out with some things, and ive been a supporter of israel, strong supporter of israel longer than anybody on this stage. I didnt give as much money as donald gave, but ive been standing with the israels for a very long time. And frankly, i think the problem we have in Foreign Policy right now, wolf, is that we are not certain, with who we stand with. Our allies are not sure what to make of us and our enemies are moving. Because theyre not sure what we will do. Its a very Interesting Development here within the last 24 hours. We said to the South Koreans that we would give them the highaltitude defense system. It really rattled the chinese, and for the First Time Since we took positive action, the chinese are beginning to take action against north korea. When we stand firm and we let the world know who were with, who we stand for, and we bring our allies together, that is the road forward. Were going to get to be able to solve the problem in this country. Were going to get to north korea in a moment, but senator rubio, whats wrong with the u. S. Being an honest broker in a negotiation, as mr. Trump is proposing . Because, and i dont know if donald realizes this, perhaps not his intent, perhaps, but the position youve taken is an antiisrael position. And heres why. Because you cannot be an honest broker in a dispute between two sides, in which one of the sides is constantly acting in bad faith. The Palestinian Authority has walked away from multiple efforts to make peace. Very generous offers from the israelis. Instead, heres what the palestinians do. They teach their 4yearold children that killing jews is a glorious thing. Heres what hamas does, they launch rockets and terrorist attacks against israel on an ongoing basis. A deal between the israelis and the palestinians is not possible. So the next president needs to be someone like me who will stand firmly on the side of israel. I will be on a side. I will be on israels side every single day, because they are the only proamerican, freeenterprise democracy in the entire middle east. Mr. Trump . Im a negotiator. Ive done very well over the years through negotiation. Its very important that we do that. In all fairness, marco is not a negotiator. I watched him melt down, and ill tell you, it was one of the saddest things ive ever seen. He is not going down he thinks the palestinian is a real estate deal. These people may be tougher than chris christie. The palestinians are not a real estate deal, donald. No, no a deal is a deal. A deal is not a deal when youre dealing with terrorists. Have you ever negotiated with terrorists . You are not a negotiator you are not a negotiator. And with your thinking, you will never you will never bring peace. Donald might be able to bring peace in condos in the palestinian areas, but hes not this is not a real estate deal. Senator, senator. He will never be able to do it. I think i may be able to do it, although i will say this, probably, the toughest deal of any kind is that particular deal. Lets move on and talk about north korea. You raised it, governor kasich. The threat posed by north korea to the United States and its allies. The commander of American Forces in south korea said the north korean leader, kim jongun, would use a weapon of mass destruction if he thought his regime was being threatened. You have said the United States should start examining a strategy of regime change in north korea. Lets be clear. Are you talking about getting rid of kim jongun . When you talk about regime change, wolf, it means that regime change, thats what it means. And you know, theres so much chaos in north korea right now, theres a lot of reports of uncertainty and instability in that government. But look, heres what i think we ought to do, immediately, and weve been kicking the can down the road on this for, i dont know, 15 years. We should be intercepting the ships that are leaving north korea, so theyre not selling this material or this technology or giving it to someone else. Secondly, same goes with the aircraft. Thirdly, we need to slap even tougher sanctions on north korea, because we really dont have the toughest sanctions on north korea. We ought to talk about arming south korea with Ballistic Missile technology, and of course, also japan with Ballistic Missile technology. Because were now starting to take a firm position, we have the attention of the chinese. The chinese are the best way to calm that regime down and get them in a position where they back off. But when i say regime change, i dont have to talk exactly what that means. Look, ive been involved in National Security for a long time. You dont have to spell everything out. But what im telling you is, you look for any means you can to be able to solve that problem in north korea, and in the meantime, put the pressure on the chinese and what were doing is beginning to work against them. They are the key to being able to settle this situation. I just want to be precise, governor kasich, because this is critically important. There are a million north korean troops north of the dmz very well aware of that. A million south korean troops along the dmz, right in between. Would you risk war for regime change . Wolf, again, it would depend exactly what, you know, what was happening. What was what the situation was. But if there was an opportunity to remove the leader of north korea and create stability, because ill tell you, if you keep kicking the can down the road, were going to face this sooner or later. But in the meantime, im also aware of the fact that theres 10 Million People living in seoul. You dont just run around making charges. I have put it on the table that i would love to see regime change in north korea. Now, perhaps the chinese can actually accomplish that with this man who is now currently the leader. But the fact is, we have to bring everything to bear. We have to be firm and weve got to unite those people in that part of the world to stand firmly against north korea and make sure we have the Ballistic Missile technology to defend ourselves. Mr. Trump . One thing i would like to add to what the governor is saying, i think that we are now in a position, we owe 19 trillion, because of the horrible omnibus budget that was approved six weeks ago. Its going to be 21 trillion. We can no longer defend all of these countries, japan, germany, south korea. You order televisions, you order almost anything, youre getting it from these countries. Whether its a mercedesbenz or whether its an airconditioning unit. Theyre coming out of these countries. They are making a fortune. Saudi arabia, we are defending saudi arabia. Before the oil went down, now theyre making less, but theyre making plenty. They were making 1 billion a day. We defend all of these countries for peanuts. You talk about budgets, we have to start getting reimbursed for taking care of the military services for all of these countries. Hold on. Hold on. Dr. Carson hey, wolf. Let me just say this, because he mentioned, he mentioned this. Look, were all in agreement that the japanese need to do more. Were all in agreement that the europeans need to do more. But i hate to just tell everybody, we are the leader of the world, and we should put the pressure on them to do their job. Note, there is no question about it. But at the same time, we also have to rebuild the military. Look, i have a balanced budget plan that cuts taxes, reforms regulations, but also helps build the military. Puts 100 billion more in defense. We need to rebuild our defenses. But i must also tell you, as a longtime reformer of the pentagon, we must reform that building. We cant have a weapons system take 22 1 2 years. We have 800,000 bureaucrats working for d. O. D. , performing bureaucratic functions, when we ought to be putting these resources into the military. So we can do it all. We can do it all. Dr. Carson, how would you deal with north korea . Okay, first of all, people say that i whine a lot, because i dont get time. Im going to whine. Because i didnt get asked about taxes. I didnt get asked about israel. Hugh, you said you were going to be fair to everybody. You didnt ask me about taxes. I had something to say about that. Go ahead. This is your moment. Okay. We have a system of taxation in this country that is horribly wrong. You know, i never had an audit until i spoke at the National Prayer breakfast. Then all of a sudden, they came in, they said, we just want to look at your real estate dealings. And then they didnt find anything, so they said, lets look at the whole year. They didnt find anything, so they said, lets look at the next year and the next year, and they didnt find anything, and they wont find anything, because im a very honest person. But the fact of the matter is, the irs is not honest and we need to get rid of them. As far as israel is concerned, when i was there several months ago, i talked to a lot of people. I couldnt find a single one who didnt think that we had turned our backseat on israel. You know, they are a Strategic Partner for us, but also, recognize that we have a judeochristian foundation. And the last thing we need to do is to reject israel. Doesnt mean we cant be fair to other people. We can always be fair to other people, but its like when you have a child. You know, you want to be fair to all the children around, but you have a special attention for your own child. And now, as far as north korea is concerned, you know, kim jongun is an unstable person. But he does understand strength. And i think we have to present strength to him. We should be encouraging the alliance with japan and south korea. We should be encouraging the placement of the t. H. A. D. , the terminal High Altitude defense. And we must have a much more robust naval presence in that area. And i think we need to be developing a strategic defense initiative. Because this man is going to have longrange missiles. He is going to have nuclear capabilities. We need to be able to defend ourselves. And lastly, we should make sure that he knows that if he ever shoots a missile at us, it will be the last thing he ever does. Thank you, thank you. Were going to continue National Security. Go ahead, hugh. Thank you, wolf. Mr. Trump, we are less than 24 hours away from a ceasefire in syria that has been brokered between the u. S. And russia. Do you support this ceasefire . I really dont, because its not working and the countries arent agreeing to it and the rebels arent agreeing and syria is not agreeing to it. Its a meaningless ceasefire. I love the idea of a ceasefire, i love the idea with a total cessation, but its not working, as you know very well. Its not working. If we can do all we want with russia, but nobody else is adhering to it, so i certainly support it. I would certainly love it, but all parties have to be part of it. Senator cruz, your opinion on the ceasefire . Well, look, were certainly hopeful that the violence will cease, but, theres reason to be highly skeptical. Russia has enhanced its position, because of obamas weakness in the middle east, weakness in syria, and you know, as were headed to november, we need to nominate a republican candidate that can lay out a clear difference with barack obama and Hillary Clinton on Foreign Policy. One of the real challenges with both donald and senator rubio is that they have agreed over and over again with both Hillary Clinton and barack obama. So, for example, in libya, both of them agreed with the Obama Clinton policy of toppling the government in libya. That was a disaster. It gave the country over to radical islamic terrorism and it endangered america. Another example is john kerry. John kerry, senator rubio, voted to confirm john kerry as secretary of state. I voted against him, and donald trump supported john kerry against george w. Bush in 2004, gave him a check, and john kerry has been the most antiisrael secretary of state this country has ever seen. His diplomacy has been a disaster, and if we nominate someone who agreed with john kerry, barack obama, and Hillary Clinton on Foreign Policy, were not in a strong position to win the general election. A response, mr. Trump, then mr. Rubio . Again, i think i gave both checks to be exactly honest. I think they both like me very much. You called for bush to be impeached. Well, i think bush did a hell of a bad job, as far as thats concerned but you gave him a check and called him to be impeached . No, this was before. The check came early. But hes saying i was in favor of syria. Hes saying i was in favor of libya. I never discussed that subject. I was in favor of libya . We would be so much better off if gadhafi were in charge right now. If these politicians went to the beach and didnt do a thing and we had Saddam Hussein and if we had gadhafi in charge instead of having terrorism all over the place, wed be at least they killed terrorists, all right . And im not saying they were good, because they were bad. They were really bad. But we dont know what were getting. You look at libya right now, isis, as we speak, is taking over their oil, as we speak. Its a total mess. We would have been better off if the politicians took a day off instead of going into war. Senator rubio . Yeah, a couple points. Number one, on the libya situation, we didnt topple gadhafi. The libyan people toppled gadhafi. The only choice before america that this president had to make is, did it happen quickly or take a long time . And i argued, if it takes a long time, youll have rebel forces emerge like these radical islamists that take advantage of the vacuum. Thats where the term lead from behind came. Thats the Foreign Policy that senator cruz appears to agree with. And on john kerry, yeah, you know why . Because every day john kerry wasnt appointed was another day Hillary Clinton was still in charge of the state department. And she was absolutely horrible. I couldnt imagine that they were going to find somebody even worse than her. But this president never ceases to amaze. And the last point i would make on south korea, and this is important. Because were asking to be commander in chief. Donald is asking to be commander in chief. And hes saying, these guys need to do more. South korea contributes 800 million a year to that effort. And japan contributes as well. And heres why our commitment to that Regional Security is so critical, donald. Because if we give if we walk away from them, both japan and south korea will become Nuclear Weapons powers. They can do that very quickly. And thats what they will do if the American Defense agreements withers away. Which is why we have to rebuild the military, but why we cant walk away from our asiapacific defense status. Mr. Trump . I never said walk we. I wouldnt walk to walk away. I want them to pay us much more money. We cannot afford to subsidize how much . A lot. Ill negotiate a lot more money than youll ever get. As far as john kerry is concerned, there has been no tougher critic of this man i think he negotiated one of the worst deals in the history of our country, the iran deal, where they get their 150 billion and all of the other things that take place. It is a disaster for this country and speaking of israel, its a disaster for israel. Im no fan of senator cruz. Hold on, hold on, governor. Senator cruz . Its interesting, donald just said he never came out in favor of toppling gadhafi in libya. Well, he stated that in an interview, that it will be on our website, tedcruz. Org, you can see and hear the exact words from donalds mouth. And i assume when he sees that interview maybe he forgot about it and i assume that donald will apologize when he sees that he said exactly that. With regard to john kerry, i will say john kerrys Foreign Policy has been a disaster for decades. Thats why i voted against him when it came up. And the fact that donald trump would write him a check and support him against george w. Bush shows exceptionally poor Foreign Policy judgment. And ill give one more example on israel. When the Obama Administration canceled civilian air flights into the nation of israel, when hamas was raining rockets down on them, i publicly asked, is this an economic boycott against israel . The next day, michael bloomberg, another new york billionaire, got on a plane, a commercial flight, and flew to israel from london, the heat and light put on the state department was so great that within 36 hours, they lifted the ban on air flights into israel. During that entire battle, and indeed during every battle on israel, the natural question is, where was donald . If this is something that he cares about, why has he supported antiisrael politicians from jimmy carter to Hillary Clinton, to john kerry, for four decades. If you care about israel, you dont write checks to politicians who are undermining israel. Instead, you stand and support the National Security of america and wait a minute. Theres a point that needs to be made here. Governor, governor, he attacked mr. Trump. Mr. Trump has a right to respond. Well, look, my response is very simple. There is nobody on this stage that has done more for israel than i have. Nobody. You might say, you might talk, youre politicians, all talk, n. Ive been watching it all my life. You are all talk and no action. What ive seen up here, i mean, first, this guys a joke artist, and this guys a liar. He cant do it for the obvious reason, and he cant do it because he doesnt know how to tell the truth. Other than that. I rest my case. One at a time. Governor kasich, you have the floor. Ive got a response to that. You will have a response, but i promised governor kasich he could respond. Could somebody attack me, please . [cheers and applause] theres something i want to, i want to point out something here today that is so critically important about how the Obama Administration has really done such a ridiculous, feckless job here in Foreign Policy. First of all, we should have been supporting the rebels long ago. They could have taken assad out. And because we did nothing, the russians are now in, and theyre sitting in the cat bird seat. We should have been helping them. Im thankful that the aid trucks are finally getting into syria, but the fact is, had we acted we would have solved that problem. Lets talk about libya. Libya didnt go down because it was some people revolution. Hillary clinton, Samantha Power and all the other people convinced obama to undermine gadda gaddafi. And they created a cesspool in libya. We have to deal with it. There are not many major cities in libya. Theyre on the coast. Mostly its desert, but its a problem. Then we have isis in syria and isis in iraq. And because this country has not had a strong and firm Foreign Policy, one of us here is going to inherit a total mess, and were going to have to work our way out of it, including the need to arm the ukrainians. They have been ignored, and we need to help them as well and assert ourselves as america. Lets continue the questioning on isis. You said ive got a response. You will have a chance. You called me a liar. You saying i cant respond to being called a liar . Go ahead and respond. You know, what were seeing with donald is actually the pattern of washington. The pattern of washington deal makers. They make promises, break their word and when anyone calls you on it they call you a liar. He said for example seven months ago, i, donald trump was a member of the establishment. Theres a reason why harry reid thinks hes the biggest republican up here. Theres a reason jimmy carter said he would support donald trump over me, because hes malleable, whereas ted cruz is not malusualleablmalleable. Falsely accusing someone of lying is itself a lie. [cheers and applause] i watched. I watched the lobbyists. I watched what this man did. [ laughter ] to dr. Ben carson, who i respect in iowa. Where he said ben carson is out of the race, he left iowa and is out of the race. I thought that was disgraceful. He got a lot of votes. Took them away from ben carson, probably took them away from me, too. But i also watched where he did a forum that looked like it came right out of a Government Agency that said on top, voter violation, and it graded you, and it scared the hell out of people. And it said the only way you clear up the violation essentially is to go and vote for troo for ted cruz. To me, that was worse than what he did to ben. I know politicians, better than you do. And its not good. I believe you know politicians much better than i do, because for 40 years youve been funding liberal democratic politicians. I funded you youre welcome to have the check back. I gave him a check you gave me 5,000. And by the way, lets be clear. Donald [cheers and applause] donald claims to care you know why . Donald, i understand rules are very hard for you. Theyre very confusing. I have his book. On tv. Thank you for the book. Thank you for the book. Donald, can you get back on your nest now. A lot of fun up here i have to tell you. Thank you for the book. Donald, relax. Im relaxed. Ar youre the basket case. Dont get nervous. Go ahead. I promise you, donald, theres nothing about you that makes anyone nervous. People are actually watching this at home. I dont know whats happening. Gentlemen, gentlemen. Youve got to stop this take control. The latest debate. Gentlemen, please. I get my answer. I want to move on. These are the rules. Were moving on. He called me a liar and interrupted the whole time. [cheers and applause] do i not get a response . Do i not get a response without getting interrupted . Youll get plenty of response, so stand by. I want to talk about isis right now. And the federal government. How best to keep americans safe from isis. Theres a huge battle under way right now between the tech giant apple and the federal government. Federal government wants apple to unlock the phone used by that San Bernardino terrorist to prevent future attacks. Apple has refused, saying it with compromise the security of all of its customers. And just this afternoon they went to court to block the judges order. Dana bash, pick up the questioning. Senator rubio, you say its complicated and that, quote, apple isnt necessarily wrong to refuse the court order. Why shouldnt investigators have everything at their disposal . No, in fact what i have said is, the only thing, the fbi made this clear 48 hours ago. The only thing thiey are asking of apple is to use their own systems to try to guess the password of the San Bernardino killer. Apple said were being ordered to create a back door to the encryption device. Allow us to disable the selfdestruct mode so that we can guess what the password was. I think they should comply request that. They are not asking apple to create a back door to encryption. Just to be clear, you did say on cnn a couple weeks ago, this is a complicated issue. Apple is not necessarily wrong here. Because at the time, apple was claiming the order was to create a back door to the encryption device. If were you president , would you order your Justice Department to force them to comply with the order. To try to guess the password . Right. Absolutely. That iphone didnt even belong to the killer. It belonged to the killers employee. Thats all theyre asking them to do is to disable the selfdestruct mode on one phone in the entire world. But apple doesnt want to do it, because they think it hurts their brand. Their brand is not superior to the security of the United States of america. [cheers and applause] senator cruz, apples ceo tim cook says this would be bad for america. Where do you stand . National security or personal privacy . As you know, at that same cnn forum, marco and i were asked this same question. His answer, he was on both sides of the fence, hes now agreeing with me. Im glad. What i said is yes, apple should be forced to comply with this court order, why, because under the amendments, a search and seizure is legal if there is probable cause. In this instance, the order is not put a back door in everyones cell phone. If that was the order, that order would be problematic, because it would compromise safety and security for everyone. I would agree with apple on that broad policy question. But on the question of unlocking this cell phone of a terrorist, we should enforce the court order and find out everyone that terrorist at San Bernardino talked to on the phone, texted with, emailed and absolutely apple doesnt have a right to defy a Valid Court Order in a terror investigation. Dr. Carson, tim cook, the ceo of apple says this would be bad for america. What do you think . I think allowing terrorists to get away with things is bad for america. [ applause ] we have, we have a constitution. We have the fourth amendment. It guards us against illegal and unreasonable search and seizure, but we have mechanisms in place, with the judicial system that will allow us to gain material that is necessary to benefit the nation as a whole or the community as a whole. And thats why we have pfizer courts and things of that nature. So absolutely, i would expect apple to comply with the court order. If they dont comply with that, you encouraging chaos in our system. Mr. Trump [ applause ] i want to weigh in on this, please. I want to just tell you that the problem is not right now between the administration and apple. You know what the problem is . Wheres the president been . You sit down in a back room, and you sit down with the parties, and you get this worked out. You dont litigate this on the front page of the new york times, where everybody in the world is reading about the, their dirty laundry out here. The president of the United States should be convening a meeting, should have convened a meeting with apple and our Security Forces and then you know what you do when youre the president . You lock the door, and you say youre not coming out until you reach an agreement that both gives the security people what they need and protects the rights of americans. This is a failure of his leadership to get this done as an executive should be doing it, and ill tell you, thats why you want a governor. I do this all the time and we reach agreements all the time, because in the executive, youve got to solve problems instead of fighting on the front page of the newspaper. Thank you, governor. [cheers and applause] thank you. Mr. Trump, you have been very vocal about securing the mexican border. But isis has called upon its supporters to conduct attacks in our neighbor to the north, canada. As a matter of fact, u. S. Officials have warned that it is the canadian border, which is the most significant threat. You have said that you will not build a wall in canada. When it comes to National Security and the threat of terrorism, why does mexico need a wall . And canada doesnt . Isnt that like closing the front door and leaving the back door open . First of all, youre talking about a wall thats many, many times longer. We have far less problem with that border than the southern border. And tremendous amounts, i had the privilege of winning by a landslide, by the way, new hampshire. You go to new hampshire, the first thing they talk about is heroin and drugs pouring in. And you wouldnt think this beautiful place, beautiful with the trees and the roads and the countryside. The biggest problem is heroin. And its such a shame to see it. Theyre pouring in from the southern border. So im talking about great security, a wall that can absolutely be built, and ill build it on time, on budget, it will be a very high wall, a great wall, it will be paid for by canada, by the way. Maybe ill get canada to pay. Its going to be paid for by mexico. The problem with canada, youre talking about a massively long piece. A boarder that would be about four times longer. It would be very, very hard to do. And it is not our biggest problem. I dont care what anybody says. Its not our big problem. Our problem is not only people coming in and in many cases the wrong people, its the tremendous amount of drugs that are coming in. [ applause ] i want to talk to you, senator rubio about puerto rico. As you know, puerto rico is in the midst of financial collapse, unable to pay 72 billion. Puerto rico is asking for bankruptcy protection, which will give puerto rico and Puerto Ricans, which are u. S. Citizens, you know that, the tools to restructure the debt that is the same debt other 50 states have. You oppose granting port rico that bankruptcy protection. You say that it is only last resort measure. But the government of puerto rico has said that bankruptcy is its last resort. That thats where they are now. How do you explain this very strong stance to the hundreds of thousands of Puerto Ricans that vote across the u. S. And particularly in your state of florida. Sure, because bankruptcy doesnt work unless you change the way youre operating or youre going to be bankrupt again. Its not growing. It has a massive exodus of professionals who are leaving and going to florida and the mainland from puerto rico, because their economy is not growing. The tax rate is too high. The government regulations are too extensive. With all the problems theyre having, they barely cut their budget from one year to the next. The leadership on the island has to get their house in order. Ft. Economy in puerto rico doesnt grow, they will never generate the revenue to pay this debt or the billions on their books. So yes, if they do all of those things, then we can explore the use of bankruptcy protection, but not as the first resort, which is what theyre asking for, because it will not solve the problems on the island, and youre going to continue to see hundreds of thousands of people leave that beautiful place and come into the mainland. Theyre United States citizens. Theyre obviously entitled to do so and we welcome them, but we would like to see a puerto rico growing economically and is robust, around the leaders are doing a terrible job. Their previous governor was doing a wonderful job until he lost the election to someone who is taking them in the Big Government direction. I want our viewers to stay with us. Theres still much more to come including the last pitch in the final debate before super tuesday. [ applause ] let me talk to you about retirement. 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Its time now for closing statements, all of you will have 30 seconds. Dr. Carson, well start with you. First of all, i want people to think about, what kind of leader do you want, and what kind of person do you want your kids to emulate . Think about that. Secondly, several years ago, an of momovie was made about these hands. These hands, by the grace of god have saved many lives and healed many families. Im asking you tonight, america, to join hands with me to heal, inspire and revive america. If not us, who . And if not now, when . [ applause ] governor kasich . The last usa today poll had me beating Hillary Clinton by 11 points. More than anybody on this stage. Secondly, i hope you saw tonight that executive experience really matters. It matters in terms of growing our economy, balancing budgets, cutting taxes, reforming regulations. Ive done it in washington. Ive done it in ohio, and i can go back to washington and do it again, but i also hope you notice tonight that i do have the Foreign Policy experience, not just a few years, but a lot of years, working with a lot of the great, great minds of this country to develop the firmness and the toughness to bring people together. I hope you would give me your vote. I would appreciate it very much, and we wont have to spend time figuring out what we will do. I will hit the ground moving and we will get america moving again. Thank you all very much. [cheers and applause] senator rubio . Thank you for having us tonight. You know, this campaign has come a long way. It was just a few months ago there were 15 or 11 of us on the stage, and its narrowing. The time for games is over. I know youve had a lot of choices to make, but now its time to narrow it down. And im asking you to get behind me. Go on our website and join our effort, marco rubio. Com so we can bring an end to the silliness, the looniness. And bring america back to what being the bearer of conservatism. There are several deal makers on this stage, but there is one person who has consistently stood up to both parties fighting against washington deals. If im elected president e on the first day in office, i will reskinned every single every illegal executive action. I will open an investigation into planned parenthood and prosecute any violations. I will instruct every agency that the persecution ends today. And i will begin the process of moving the American Embassy in israel to jerusalem. We will repeal obamacare, abolish the irs, secure the border and bring back jobs. [cheers and applause] mr. Trump . Thank you. Nobody knows politicians better than i do. Theyre all talk. Theyre no action. Nothing gets done. Ive watched it for years. Take a look at whats happening to our country. All of the things that ive been talking about, whether its trade, whether its building up our depleted military, whether its taking care of our vets. Whether its getting rid of common core, which is a disaster, or knocking out obamacare and coming up with something so much better, i will get it done. Politicians will never, ever get it done, and we will make America Great again. [cheers and applause] thank you. Mr. Trump, thank you. And thanks to each of the candidates on behalf of everyone here at cnn and tell municipemu. Also my thanks to the panel. Super tuesday is only five days away. Right now Anderson Cooper picks up our special coverage. Anderson . [ applause ] wolf, thanks very much. There it is, the final Republican Debate here in houston before the biggest primary day so far, super tuesday. The final opportunity before 13 states decide for every candidate not named donald trump to face donald trump head on. The smoke clearing from what was a very, very fiery debate. The candidates making their way to the cameras. Im Anderson Cooper in the spin room, and yes, they really do call it that. We have jake tapper with his panel, chris cuomo, moderator wolf blitzer, our correspondents as well as the best team of analysts and campaign professionals around. Lets get a first take from them, first. Chief correspondent john king, nia Malika Henderson is joining me. Amanda carpenter. Jeffrey lord, s. C. Cup. Scs a conservative columnist. John king, lets start with you. What a night. The fire, the hostility at times on that debate stage intense. Very aggressive marco rubio, very aggressive at times ted cruz, saying on issue after issue, ted cruz is not a conservative. They prosecute that pretty effectively. The question is, why did they wait till the tenth debate . Why did they wait ten debates for donald trump to be so far out ahead. Chris cuomo has donald trump, lets listen in. Youre on. Here we are, mr. Trump. You were in the middle of the stage tonight. It seemed at times that it was twoonone, your head was on a swivel with cruz and robb yubio right on you. Theyre politicians. They want to get elected, but they are doing badly, and i think cnn did a very good job, but i think they had a lot of focus on the three in the middle. Maybe thats the way it should be. I thought it was exciting, and i thought it was great. What did you think of that dynamic of having to take both o them on. I thought it was fine. Ive dealt with the toughest people in the world over my lifetime, and ive dealt with much tougher. I thought it was fine. I really enjoyed it. I enjoy the debating process. What do you think that brought out to your advantage . I think they can see that im a guy that can handle people. Ive created great jobs and Great Companies and a really Great Company. It shows what youre made of. Ive enjoyed the process. Ive actually enjoyed every single debate. During that debate, as it was going on, marco rubio started on his website sell watches as a pretend gimmick to say that they were watches that would have been yours that you would have been selling, but theyre donations to him. It was a quick response. What do you make of the move . Hes a joke artist. He jokes. He did it in front of chris christie. I look over and say are you okay . It looked like he just came out of a swimming pool. He was soaking wet. And he kept repeating himself, repeating himself. He tried to use that on you. I didnt do any repeating. I just say whats needed. We cant have a joke artist. One thing ive learned from sports. I was actually a very good athlete. When youre a joker, youre always a joker. We cant have that. We cant take any chances in this country. How long, now that youre starting to get the votes in and youre at the top, do you think that people should start thinking about leaving this race . I think so, buff t its not me to say. Marco, im 20 points up on him in florida, and with cruz its even. Im winning every other state. Yeah, i think so. I think its going to be over fairly quickly, and i dont think theres going to be a convention. It seemed like senator rubio was more intient on going at yo than senator cruz. Did he he show you toughness that you didnt see against christie . Its the same basic person. Hes pouring sweat. Ive never seen anything like it. I dont know what the problem is. But hes just pouring down sweat. We have to have somebody that doesnt sweat. We need somebody that when they walk into putins office, or putin walks into our office or the chinese come to deal with us, we know what were doing. We need somebody who doesnt have whatever it is that hes got. There was an observation. I want to see if you share it. Was that sometimes you like to use tough language about people. Certainly in tweets as we know. But tonight they said that you werent doing it, that you were doubling down on your positions and trying to argue on a policy level more than a personal level, was that intentional . I think was intentional, because i am leading by so much. That attitude got me here. Now its time. And im very focussed on policy. I went to the best college and got very good marks. We had a total of 17 people. Were now down to five. That got me there. But now i think i have a little bit of a different attitude. Do you think that the race is over for the nomination . No, i never say its over. Its not over until its over, as our friend would say, yogi. I love that bloomberg poll that did many of the southern states. And were just leading by tremendous numbers. Do you think when youre standing on that stage tonight, specifically as you said, it was a focus, sort of a threeman dynamic. I think it was very unfair to ben carson and to the governor. They werent asked very many questions, and, you know, they are the final five. And i actually thought ben in particular was treated unfairly. I dont think he was asked enough questions. It wasnt right. Well, a little bit of it was obviously what the players decide to do, right . When two of them decide to start using their energy to talk about each other, thats what happens. He has a right to be upset, but thats up to cnn. And the same is true with kasich, but i think, i just enjoyed it. I had a good time. I was in the middle of it, and i enjoyed the process. I enjoyed the process, and i like debating. Something in the news which is at your control is the tax returns. Mitt romney during the debate was bringing it up again. You could show them in a second if you want to. Mitt is a guy who was a horrible candidate. He lost a race that should have been won and should have been won easily. I dont know what happened. He like disappeared the last race. But when mitt gave his tax returns, it was like six months from now in 2012. It was exactly september 21st. And thats when he gave his tax return. Were in a different world. So, you know, mitt is just trying to remain relevant. Nobodys talking to him much anymore. He got some publicity today. But the one problem i have is im always audited by the irs. Which i think is very unfair. I dont know, maybe because of religion, maybe because of something else, maybe because im doing this. What do you mean religion . Maybe because the fact that im a strong christian and i feel strongly about it and maybe theres a bias. You think you get audited for being a strong person