Former National White house security advisor has new relevant information about the scandal that has never been disclosed. Lets bring in now cnn white house producer kevin liptak. Based on those new transcripts, ive got to say it does not look good for the acting chief of staff. It certainly places Mick Mulvaney much closer to the center of this impeachment inquiry than we knew before. What is striking in this testimony from fiona hill and Alexander Vindman is this depiction of this crucial white house meeting in july where they say they overheard gourdon sondland placed mulvaney at the center of pressing ukraine into starting these investigations into the president s political rivals. Just to read some of what fiona hill said in her testimony, she said ambassador sondland in front of the ukrainians as i came in was talking about how he had an agreement with chief of staff mulvaney for a meeting with ukrainians if they were going to go forward with the investigations. Now, the reaction to this moment in the white house is also key. This was taking place in john boltons office. Hill describes bolt on stiffening when he heard those words. Later he said he told her he wanted nothing to do with this drug deal that was cooking up between sondland and mulvaney. Now, this is all placing mulvaney much closer to this alleged quid pro quo that itself is at the heart of the democrats impeachment inquiry. Democrats really want to hear from mulvaney. They subpoenaed him to appear on friday. He defied that subpoena saying that his position in the white house made him immune to congressional investigators. So john bolton is saying, listen, ive got some information or his attorney actually is saying that bolton has got some information that has not yet been disclosed about ukraine but hes not going to testify unless the court forces him tochlt do so. Is there a sense that hes he wants to testify . Re because this was buried in a letter from boltons attorney and it was really kind of a tease. He has said he will only appear before these congressional investigators unless a judge tells him its okay to defy this white house edict that white house officials not appear before the impeachment committees. In the letter he wrote this. Bolton was personally involved in many of the events, meetings and conversations about which you have already received testimony as well as many relevant meetings and conversations that have not yet been discussed in the testimonies so far. That obviously raising the suggestion that theres more information that democrats and republicans could learn from bolton if he goes before these committees. Now what both bolton and mulva e mulvaney could present is far more information about what President Trump himself knew about what was going on and what he said about what was going on with ukraine as all this was unfolding. They are far more senior than the officials who have gone before the committee so far and they could bring lawmakers into the oval office to hear what trump himself was saying about this as this was all unfolding. Theres not yeah, theres not a lot of question about whether bolton will appear soon. The judge has said it will take weeks to decide whether he can comply with democrats requests. Democrats want to move forward quickly on these public hearings which begin next week. Ive got to bring in some breaking news. The republicans have put out their witness wish list. Whos on it . Yeah, this is from devin nunes, the ranking republican on the senate intel horizon the house intelligence committee. He is proposing witnesseses that could be part of this impeachment probe. Among them hunter biden, the son of former Vice President joe biden who sat on the board of the ukrainian natural gas company. He also wants to hear from the whistleblower, some of the whistleblowers sources. Hes putting out this list as democrats prepare this public phase of the impeachment inquiry next week. This hearing starts on wednesday. Well hear from bill taylor, the current top diplomat in ukraine, george kent. Both of these men expressed deep frustrations about what Rudy Giuliani was doing in that country. Theyll also hear from marie yovanovitch, the onetime u. S. Ambassador to ukraine who was recalled. All of this mustsee tv starting wednesday next week. Absolutely, kevin. I think well all be glued. Kevin liptak. I want to bring in our legal analyst. Thank you for being with us. I want to jump off that point about the witness wish list from republicans. They name hunter biden and they name the whistleblower. We know the whistleblower is protected by federal law. So what is tplausibility that h would have to testify publicly or privately . I dont think well hear from the whistleblower because the House Democrats have the power under the current rules that were operating under here to block that request. And, frankly, the whistleblower is not relevant here. I mean ultimately the issue is what did the president do. The whistleblower as republicans argued previously has no firsthand knowledge of it. He or she got that information from other individuals, presumably some of the people who have already testified. And so he or she was basically a tipster of sorts. So i think what the republicans are trying to do is theyre trying to keep a focus on something that is not the president and i think that its effective to the extent that its causing us to talk about that now. What do you think of Mick Mulvaney when hes claiming this absolute immunity when it comes to testifying in this probe. Do you think he really has that kind of immunity . No. I think its best understood as a delay tactic. The white house understands that the courts are going to take some time to resolve these claims, and they have made increasingly absurd or unsupported legal claims because they know that delay is on their side. I mean the Iowa Caucuses and New Hampshire primary are not that far away, theyre early next year. I think the white house understands that if they can just delay things by a month or two or three, it works to their advantage and democrats may just proceed without that testimony. I think that is in fact what democrats will do. I think we will never hear from Mick Mulvaney at least as pot of this inquiry. Renato, appreciate your input. Lets get back to tuscaloosa, alabama, where the president is expected to attend todays matchup between alabama and lsu, Sara Westwood is outside the stadium. Its good to see you. We know the president had some mixed reaction at sporting events as of late. So a lot of people might be saying why is he going to this specifically . Reporter thats right, christi. President trump heading here to this pivotal game in just a few hours. Its his third sporting event in just two weeks. He went to game five of the world series in washington, he went to the ufc championship last weekend at Madison Square garden. At both of those sporting events, some in the crowd ended up booing him. Obviously a lot of fans around me right now. Now its unclear what kind of reaction the president will get when he comes to this game. Weve been talking with people here tailgating about their perceptions of President Trump. Take a listen to some of those conversations. I thought he had been treated fairly. I do. Yes. Treated fairly. Yes. No. You dont think hes been treated fairly . Nah, nah. No, i dont. I dont. Why not . Because when the man try to help the country and you try to find a situation to throw out his character to help the country, its back and forth because aint no perfect president. So everybody got their claws. But i think he been treated unfairly. Can i ask what you think of all the impeachment stuff going on in washington . I think its ridiculous. I think its unfair. I wish they would focus on getting stuff done instead of harassing the president. Reporter now, unlike some of those other sporting events President Trump has attended, here in alabama this is friendly Trump Country. The president won this state in 2016 by nearly 30 points. Now, there was some attention put on how this game would unfold because the universitys Student Government sent out an email urging students not to cause any disruptions. There was a backlash so the Student Government later clarified they were not trying to stifle anyones free speech, but it will be interesting to see what the reaction to President Trump here in the heart of Trump Country will be in a couple of hours when this game starts. You have fun with that, my friend. Its nice to see her in a different venue. Thanks. Well keep the gameday conversation going later in the hour, so whats behind President Trumps sudden interest in sports . Well be speaking to a sports columnist who says there is no coincidence here. Also a new yorkbased Technology Company accused of undermining National Security by selling chinesemade surveillance products to the u. S. Government claiming they were made in the usa. Plus billionaire Michael Bloomberg adds his name to alabamas democratic primary ballot. Joe biden says he welcomes the challenge. So what is bloombergs strategy . Were live in New Hampshire, next. Skin sin 17. Too many afterparties. New neutrogena® bright boost with dullnessfighting neoglucosamine. Boosts cell turnover by 10 times for instantly brighter skin. Bright boost neutrogena®. Theyre americas bpursuing lifechanging cures. In a country that fosters innovation here, they find breakthroughs. Like a way to fight cancer by arming a patients own tcells. Because its not just about the next breakthrough. 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Senator Elizabeth Warren is swinging through the carolinas. Senator warren also has a message for those attacking her as angry, saying i am angry, and i own it. She went on to say powerful men often accuse women are being angry to try to keep them quiet. Billionaire Michael Bloomberg is shaking up the race. The former new york city mayor filed paperwork yesterday adding his name to alabamas democratic primary, although he hasnt officially announced that hes running for the white house. Joe biden said hed welcome bloomberg to the race. Mr. Biden, of course, Vice President biden campaigning in concord, New Hampshire, today and thats where we find cnn political reporter arlette saenz. What do we know hes going to focus on this morning, and good morning. Reporter good morning, christi and martin. Joe biden will be here where hes doing an event with firefighters. Later on in the day hell be holding a town hall in New Hampshire as well. But yesterday joe biden filed that primary paperwork so that his name is on the primary ballot here in the first in the nation primary state. But that also comes as he is facing the threat of a possible new challenger, Michael Bloomberg is now taking steps to potentially enter the 2020 race. Youll remember back in march he had ruled out a 2020 bid, but his advisers say hes now concerned that the current crop of candidates cannot beat President Trump. But joe biden yesterday was asked by reporters about bloombergs entry and he said hes not worried about the former new york city mayor potentially joining the race. Take a listen to what he had to say. I welcome him to the race. Michael is a solid guy. Lets see where it goes. I have no problem with him getting in the race. And in terms of hes running because of me, the last polls i looked at, im pretty far ahead. Reporter now, biden has also been engaged in a back and forth with senator Elizabeth Warren after last week she suggested that the former Vice President is running in the wrong president ial primary. Biden earlier this week penned a media post where he challenged warren and described her as an elitist. There was a line in that post that warren is particularly seizing on. The former Vice President wrote that warrens comments, they reflect an angry, unyielding viewpoint that has crept into our politics. Well, yesterday Elizabeth Warren sent out a fundraising email kind of honing in on that noting that oftentimes people may call women angry. She said i am angry and i own it. Now, biden was asked about that comment from Elizabeth Warren by our colleague, dana bash, and he said he wasnt trying to call her angry, hes just trying to point out that her comments suggesting that if you disagree politically that perhaps you lack courage or are running in a wrong primary. He believes that is just something that does not sit well with people. Christi and martin. Arlette saenz where it looks like a beautiful day, perfect day for chili. Thank you. Still to come, theres an investigation now into a plane crash in texas. It found the results of gender reveal party, it was a stunt and it went wrong and that is at the heart of this accident. Tide, tigers, trump. There will be politics at play when lsu takes the field against alabama today. Coming up, we will talk about President Trumps sudden interest in sports. Im your 70lb st. Bernard puppy, and my lack of impulse control, is about to become your problem. Ahh no, come on. I saw you eating poop earlier. Hey my focus is on the road, and thats saving me cash with drivewise. Whos the dummy now . Whoof whoof so get allstate where good drivers save 40 for avoiding mayhem, like me. Sorry hes a baby hey. Hey. You must be stevens phone. Now you can take control of your home wifi and get a notification the instant someone new joins your network. Only with xfinity xfi. Download the xfi app today. So the biggest matchup this weekend in college sports, you know todays game between lsu and alabama. There could be drama in the stands as well as on the field at the end of the day. Thats because President Trump is going to be there making his third appearance at a major sporting event in just two weeks. So harry is joining us now. Harry, you know, youve got to wonder, the first two appearances, the world series and then he was at a mixed martial arts contest, they didnt seem to go over that well. What makes him think this is going to be better. Yeah, i know, right . Those did not go over particularly well. One of those was in new york city and i can tell you, new york city not exactly a big fan of the president of the united states. But heres the deal with College Football. One of the things that i did which was really cool, i essentially looked at google searches by media markets. Then i compared those media markets to how President Trump did in the 2016 election. What do you see there . You see as the number of google searches goes up searching for College Football, President Trumps voting percentage goes higher. College football fans more likely tend to be republican than, say, the median voter. More than that, you can go to the Southern United States and say, okay, in the south are you a College Football fan or not . We can break that down by democrats, independents and republicans. And what do we see . Well, this i think is very important. First look in the south. 54 in the south are College Football fans. Thats much higher than it is in the northeast. So trump says im going to go into that south. I know theres a lot of College Football fans. I know i can be reaching out to them. More than that you can essentially say, okay, in the south among those College Football fans, what percentage of republicans, democrats, independents and what do you see . 59 of republicans in the south say that they are College Football fans so you can reach a ton of voters very, very quickly by going down to alabama, especially trumps base. Okay. So let me ask you this, harry. Is there a gauge of how people how President Trump appeals, specifically how he appeals to people in the deep south, in the suburbs, say . Yeah, i think this is rather important. So there are numerous ways to break this down. We can break it down by suburbs, rural and urban areas. We can also look at particular states. What do we see when we look down in the deep south . We see that in the deep south, in those suburbs, which there are a lot of voters in there, trumps Approval Rating very, very high. 57 . Of course if youve been in the south, much of it is suburban areas. Those urban areas where trump isnt as popular, especially in the north, they make up a much lower percentage but his Approval Rating there is 48 . In the rural areas, Donald TrumpsApproval Rating, 63 , very, very popular in the deep south. Harry, what college did you go to . I went to dartmouth but i grew up going to columbia lions Football Games with my father who took me every weekend. They stink. They have won zero national championships. Ze zero alabama has won double digits. The whole thing is insane. So College Football to me is not necessarily a love affair but i love rooting for my columbia lions even if they stink. Your segments, we always learn a little tidbit about you. I like that. Just a little bit. Honesty to a fault. I am honest. Youre both beautiful people. So are you, harry en ten, thank you so much. Thank you. Our next guest says there is no coincidence the president is becoming more interested in sporting events. She writes, trump craves adoration, the kind of fawning reception he gets at his rallies and hed go to a tiddlywinks tournament if it means people will cheer and chant his name if it happens at a nationally televised event or will be captured on video that he can promote on twitter, all the better. Thats my nancy armour. You are talking about the fact that he goes to these because it makes him relatable. Yes. How so . Just because hes attending a game . Yeah. I think all politicians and President Trump is not unique in this look for ways to connect with voters. And in this country where sports is, you know, we love sports, there is no easier or better way to appear relatable, to appear electable than my showing up at a sporting event. There is a warning that went out i know from alabama at least, the university there, the Student Government warning students against disruptive behavior during the game. If they act out apparently theyre going to be quickly ejected. Do you expect that the reception at this alabama lsu game will be different than what the president got at the world series . I do. I think thats a large part of the reason that hes going to this game is because, you know, as your previous guest had mentioned, he is still widely popular in alabama. He won the state by nearly 30 . His favorability rating in alabama is higher than any other state in the country. So this is a very friendly environment for him. Hes not if he hears boos, theyre going to be very few and far between. You certainly are not going to see the reception he got at the world series or even at the ufc fight last week. Thats what hes lookin for. I dont think its coincidence when he didnt find it at the other two places that hes going out to make sure that he finds it somewhere. But certainly there have been other president s that have gone out to sporting events. Were their intentions similar . Yeah, i think that theres maybe not to get the adoration that i think trump is looking for, but in terms of appearing relatable, in terms of connecting with the country, yes. We saw with both bushes were huge baseball fans, threw out first pitches, went to games. President obama did the same thing. You saw it with president obama doing his brackets for the ncaa tournament. Its a way to connect with voters beyond just your policies and positions. Well, it will be interesting to see where hes going to be sitting. Whether hes in some box seat or out in the bleachers with the fans. Nancy, you make great points and we appreciate you coming on this morning. Thanks for having me. Thanks, nancy. Well, former new york city mayor Michael Bloomberg is making some moves towards a possible president ial run. Is there an appetite, though, even among democrats for his candidacy . Well discuss his possible path to the nomination, next. 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Starting next week, several impeachment inquiry witnesses are set to speak out in public for the very first time. The first set of system kicks off on wednesday. Thats going to be bill taylor. Hes the top u. S. Diplomat in ukraine and Deputy Assistant secretary of state, then george kent. And then on friday we are set to hear from marie yovanovitch, the former ambassador to ukraine. How will both parties try to frame these hearings to their advantage . Well discuss this with republican strategist and cnn political commentator Alice Stewart as well as democrat strategist a. Scott baldwin. Thank you both for being with us. Thank you. Good morning. Good morning to you. Hey, alice. Lets talk about impeachment here because we know that it is going to be dicey. We have jim jordan, who is now on the house intel committee, so hell be asking some of these questions. Scott, what is your prediction . My prediction is that the democrats will do Building Blocks based on the deposition testimony. Remember, the witnesses theyre calling have given sworn testimony already so the public hearing is something the republicans have called for. I think the public deserves. You know, images and the media and looking, seeing and feeling what someone is saying as a witness is far more powerful than a deposition ever can be. Thats a problem for the republicans because jim jordan and others will attack the process and the biasness or the fairness of the messaging coming from these witnesses. But the reality is the public will look at whats accurate, what isnt, and i think their arguments will fall shallow and far away from what the democrats are going to be presenting. Alice, democrats are hoping like in the mueller hearings, they were saying it was going to bring the report to life. It didnt work out that way. Im wondering are democrats running that same risk, especially when its going to be televised, and of course republicans will be pushing back. Its all on camera. Right, martin, they absolutely are running the risk of overpromising and underdelivering, just like with the Mueller Report. And those Building Blocks that scott talked about, i think its going to turn out to be Building Blocks of a stairway to nowhere because we have already seen the transcripts of the phone call. I encourage folks to read the transcript of the phone call. While the wording that the president used was inappropriate and ill advised, it was not impeachable. Were continuing to find out more and more information. From what we have now this is not worthy or grounds for impeachment. While the democrats want to continue to try to paint this picture as though there were high crimes and misdemeanors, i just dont see that. The republicans do have a valid argument in questioning the process that is being used here with regard to the inability for republicans to bring about witnesses and question wansds not have the equal opportunity to put information out there. This is certainly going to be directed at the hands of adam schiff, and i think this is going to be very onesided. To Nancy Pelosis request at the very beginning saying that she was not going to go this route unless there was overwhelming and bipartisan support for this, well, there has not been. There was not bipartisan support for this. Only democrats supported moving forward on this. So i expect were going to see similar as the Mueller Report, a high level of promises but in the end there will be nothing there and this will be this will hurt the democrats coming into 2020. Martin, if i may go ahead. If i may, the big difference between the Mueller Report and these witnesses is with the Mueller Report, we, the public, didnt know what to expect. We were being narrated or they were being narrated. Here weve got the sworn testimony. We have the corroboration of not only the phone call but the whistleblower and you even have the president attacking the whistleblower and wanting to call the whistleblower and hunter biden that. Doesnt get us inanywhere near impeachment. We know what these witnesses are going to say. Thats the difference between this and mueller. I want to move to something that happened last night with the president. He was in atlanta talking to black voters. Lets listen to what he said. Blacks for trumps, black voices for trump. Africanamericans for trump. Call it whatever the hell you want, right . What do you prefer . Blacks for trump or africanamericans for trump . [ chanting blacks for trump ] okay. So heres the thing, in august of 2016 candidate trump then said at the end of four years, i guarantee you, i will get over 95 of the africanamerican vote. Were three years in. A quinnipiac poll shows he has 10 of africanamerican approval of the job that hes doing and 80 of black voters believe that hes racist. What does he do with that going into 2020, alice . What he should be doing and what they are doing is pushing the accomplishments this administration has made to benefit africanamericans. And with the Unemployment Rate at historic low, we have incomes of black americans increasing at enormous and historic rates. The efforts they have done to promote Economic Opportunities for the Africanamerican Community. That is a very compelling argument and is a winning argument. As they work to coalesce the africanamericans who do support trump and get that message out there, the more they can reiterate and double down and make sure that the Africanamerican Community understands the successes that have been made, he will win over more voters as we get to november of next year. Scott, what do you make of the argument that some put forward that the president really isnt reaching out to africanamerican voters, hes trying to soothe white suburban voters which he lost when it came to the election this week. In other words, theyre uncomfortable with what has been his outspokenness on race. You think . My goodness, 80 percent of africanamericans dont agree with donald trump and he doesnt get credit for criminal justice reform. That started before him. He doesnt get credit for low unemployment for africanamericans, because many of them see this as a natural recovery of the economy and no specific programs that are targeted for urban americans and africanamericans that they can put their finger on. And so, no, i dont think theres anything donald trump can do. Hell have his black republicans and he has those oneonones with those groups and hell go to a black church and be blessed and honored. But the American Public or africanamericans, and i cant speak for all of them, but for 80 of them its clear he doesnt get credit for it and he doesnt get credit for it because he kills his own message. Alice is right, those would be good numbers and good things to talk about. But his attacks on baltimore and elijah cummings, his attacks on the squad, his equivocating on charlottesville. Africanamerican voters and all american, not just africanamerican, dont forget that. Remember in may a angelou said, you can show me what you did and what you do but i will never forget how you made me feel. Before we let you go if i can just real quickly to one of scotts points, the president should get credit for criminal justice reform. He was the one that got the First Step Act passed. You ask alice johnson, who was released from prison if she gives the president credit for criminal justice reform, im sure she would say yes. So that is one aspect that he has done that is successful that he does deserve credit for. He should get credit but he doesnt and now what are we left with . He doesnt get credit for it with africanamericans. There are a lot of people involved, including africanamerican senators, congressmen and others. But he should get credit but he doesnt. Thats his problem, thats not americas problem. Trump is americas problem. Got to leave it there. Alice stewart, appreciate it very much. A. Scott bolden, thank you. Thank you both. Facebook and youtube have decided to remove content that mentions the potential name of the ukraine whistleblower. Both Companies Say it violates their harm policy, which prohibits outing of witnesses, informants or activists. This comes right after rightwing media claimed they had the whistleblowers identity last week. When asked whether twitter will take similar action, a Company Spokesperson said tweeting the persons name is not a violation of its rules. 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But despite his declining numbers, we still see hundreds and often thousands of people that show up at his rallies. Many are outfitted from head to toe with trump shirts, hats and flags. So what is it about the president that is so appealing . We want to talk about this with dr. Gerald post, Professor Emeritus of psychiatry and psychology at George Washington university, a 21year veteran of the cia. He served under five president s. He was the founding director of the center for the analysis of personality and Political Behavior and recently wrote a book called dangerous charisma, the political psychology of donald trump and his followers. Dr. Post, good morning to you. Thank you for being with us. Good morning. So when you write dangerous charisma, explain to us what that means in relation to President Trump. Well, its often the case that charisma is applied to individuals. But in fact charisma is a relationship between the leader and his followers. And thats really important to understand because its an almost chemistry like fit between trump and his followers. On the one hand, he needs to be in the spotlight and periodically we see him conducting a rally for no particular reason. Its as if hes refuelling his tank of adoration. But he is really ultimately the creation of his followers, and they seek a rescuer. They seek a strong, allknowing person to fasten themselves to. So its a lovely fit between the two. Thats why its such a strong continuing relationship. Its fascinating because ive spent a lot of time talking to those who support him, voted for our president , and the one thing they will commonly say is that he gets them. He connects with them. And that they feel like theres so much in common with him. Hes a billionaire, grownup in a lifestyle that most americans cant even dream of. So is he empathetic with those or does that matter . He is not empathetic. He does have a link with those who follow him, to be sure, but one of his major problems as a leader, as i understand him, is an absence of empathy. For example, as mccain, senator mccain was dying of brain cancer, he was challenging him, criticizing him, and even after mccains death he continues to criticize him. With khan, the gold star father of the muslim soldier who died a hero, he mocked him. And one that i found particularly distressing was to watch him mocking the disabled New York Times reporter who had a congenital tremor. But none of that turned off his supporters. Thats right. Why not . Because theres first, theres a sunk cost. And secondly, he fills the hole for his followers seeking a rescuer and he is strengthened by their adulation. Watching the rallies, for example, its almost a frightening phenomenon, the power of lock her up, build the wall, so forth and so on. Dr. Jerrold post, thank you for taking the time for being with us. Thank you for being with us. 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