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Find your rhythm and keep on grooving. Lets groove tonight. Ask your doctor about toujeo®. Share the spice of life. Wells fargo is facing incredible heat and swinging from crisis to crisis. First revelations of the bank opened tons of fake accounts with real peoples information and now the Justice Department says wells fargo illegally repossessed more than 400 cars from Service Members and then charged them for it. And now allegations that the bank retaliated against and even fired whistleblowers who called Company Ethics line to report all of this. Unbelievable. Heres cnns money christine. Dan singleton was a soldier preparing to go to afghanistan in 2013. That same year wells fargo had repossessed his car. It was against the law, but wells fargo did it anyway. Singleton wasnt alone. The department of justice has charged wells fargo with illegally repossessing 413 vehicles owned by members of the military. 413. As a result, wells fargo has been fined 24 million. But singleton never got his car back, received no compensation, and his credit was destroyed. Wells fargo told cnn money it reached out to singleton but it hasnt heard back from him. Its just the latest scandal for a bank embroiled in controversy. Theres also the up to 2 million unauthorized accounts opened by wells fargo employees to meet unrealistic sales targets by management. Whistleblowers were even punished for calling the banks ethics line. I always felt out of place and i always i tried my best to do the right thing. Im not perfect. Eventually got to the point where my the mental stress that came from this reduce mid production to zero. Took it up to my district manager. Basically i was accused of making excuses for my performance and trying to throw my colleagues under the bus. Reporter ceo stump survived the fallout . Many in congress say no. You should resign. You should give back the money that you took while this scam was going on. And you should be criminally investigated by both the department of justice and the securities and exchange commission. You have kind of shirked around and said the board can do anything it wants at any time. I, sir, think you ought to submit your resignation and your board cannot hold off action on that. Frankly, i dont personally see how you survive. But the truth is its not your survival that i am concerned about. Reporter what is concerning . A mega bank with a potentially corrupt culture. Leaving victims in its wake. Wells fargo is ditching the sales goals that led to the creation of the ghost accounts. As for stumpe, hes still hanging on despite growing opposition. Its gutless leadership. Reporter cnn, money, new york. Well, wells fargo just sent thus Statement Read that they are, quote, truly sorry. They said as arter part of our remediation process we attempted to contact mr. Singleton but have not heard back from him. Its a priority of ours to reach him and we will continue our efforts to do so in order to make this right for him and his family. Lets talk about more of this with diane brady, shes a Senior Editor of business week. Where do we begin . Unbelievable this is happening. When you look at what congresswoman Maxine Waters is saying, for example, shes saying break up the banks. And the context of that is, if something is so big in enterprise that the man in charge, the ceo doesnt know this is happening, that all of these fake accounts are being opened, whistleblowers are being fired for calling the ethics line, then it is too big to manage and should not exist and we should break it up. I dont think its the right line of argument. Theres no question that the banks have been too big for quite some time. But i think the bigger issue is really that they take on too much risk. Banking is supposed to be pretty boring and i think that a lot of these cases have been the incentives to make money because thats how people like john stumpe get rewarded. This was one of those sort of more boring banks. Thats the thing. Wells said, when youre on your propped desk and trading, were just issuing mortgages and opening checking accounts. Whats interesting is i remember speaking to stumpe a few years ago and he was lamenting the fact only third of his customers were actually holding his credit card. So he was even aware back then that we really need to upsell these people. We need to get them to be having more accounts. Why . Because it results in more fees and more money. Lets just take a step back and walk through that. Up selling is not illegal and its something a lot of banks do. They want you to open a checking account. Its upselling. How did they actually profit so much from that . Can you walk us through that . I think what the irony is they didnt actually profit. The actual fees they got were a blip for a bink that makes billions her year. What happened was the individual salespeople are motivated to be opening more accounts because, like any other people in sales, they probably get a commission and a bonus. Right. And it looks good when youre out there with customers opening more accounts. Opening the fake accounts with real peoples information that the people themselves didnt know existed, were they milking those people of their own money and the feel didnt realize it . Very much so. And i think part of whats perplexing about this is they cant even quantify the fees. Its very hard for them to get their arms around it so it does, in fact, say, that this is a huge mega bank. Those individuals knew what they were doing. One of the biggest complaints among consumers and the out rang on main street about the financial crisis and the aftermath was that none of the big name banker, none of the big name ceos were charged or tried or went to jail. You had a few hedge fund guys. One member of congress blasted them, youre silting on top of a criminal enterprise. Do you think stumpe faces criminal charges . Meani meaning, do they have must have to bring a criminal case against him . Thats one of the issues. No, i certainly dont dispute the idea that hes probably going to have to step down. I cant imagine how your career looks from here when youve been john stumpe. Reality is what has he done thats illegal . He said in his annual reports they were trying to essentially go out there and sell more to customers. And he said himself, he was not aware of this criminal activity but unless he himself did the criminal activity its hard to see on what grounds they would charge him. Who would come in finally to save the reputation of this bank . Do you think back to solomon and you think back to Warren Buffett stepping in and basically saying, you know, you lose a dollar, thats one thing. You lose a threat of reputation, thats another thing. Who could step in and right the ship here, do you think, reputationwise . Buffett, berkshire is the biggest shareholder of wells. I wouldnt say warren buff t buffett. One of the challenges here is that i cant think of anybody and if you look at the other banks, citigroup, taxpayers took that over. Jpmorgan chase, bank of america, all the banks that are the largest, most prestigious banks in this country have undergone huge scandals. So wells fargo will get through this. I think it will be a messy period. Its stock price will take a hit. Lose customers. It already has. The reality is it will probably go back to largely businesses as usual. Diane, thank you. Thank you very much. Well stay on top of this story. Much more ahead with Maxine Waters in our 7 00 hour. Switching gears here. Mission to mars. The founder of spacex unveiling his plan to try to start a colony on the red planet this week. Were talking about elon musk. He has grand ideas but is it possible . 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Well, okay, only 23 you really want to locate to the red planet and if youve got an extra 200 grand to spare. This week the spacex ceo unveiled his plan to transport everyday folks like me and you to live in a selfsustaining human colony. The first volunteers would face, of course, significant risk. Tinge first journey to mars is going to be really very dangerous. The risk of fatality will be high. Theres just no way around it. Are you prepared to die . Then thats okay, then, you know, youre a candidate for going. But really this is less about like, you know, who goes there first or its the thing that really matters is making a selfsustaining civilization on mars as fast as possible. A selfsustaining civilization on mars as fast as possible. His plans to create an interplanetary transport system with a giant reusable rocket are in the initial stages. He aims to launch his first mission, he says within two years. And his first civilian trip to mars by 2025. Musk says up to a Million People could be living on mars within 50 to 150 years. They would grow crops and contain buildings with compressed atmosphere. Lets talk about it all with bill nye the science guy and ceo of the Planetary Society and our correspondent and space expert extraordinary here in house, rachel crane. Yeah. Elon musk makes this big announcement presentation in mexico this week. You were there. Before i get to your skepticism, rachel, talk to me about what famed retired astronaut scott kelly says about this. Is he optimistic . I had the opportunity to speak to scott kelly just before this announcement made. Theres probably nobody better to ask the question could our brains and bodies handle this because as we know the First American who has spent an your entire year in space onboard the International Space station. He said that he thinks that our bodies and our brains can handle it. Take a listen. Definitely our brains can handle it. Probably the biggest impediment of just going there is the cost. I mean, i think we can overcome the challenges if we can overcome the financial requirements. Do you think that e monday lusk it setting up ois hen mars arc check tour, that compromises the governments ambitions in any way, shape, or form . Not at all. I would hope that nasa would even partner with him in some respects. You know, having competition in everything always helps, too, if we looked at it like someones trying to get there first. That would be helpful, too. And, poppy, scott kelly went on to tell me that he actually would go to mars if he had the opportunity but he wouldnt be doing one of those oneway missions. He would definitely want to be coming back. Okay. It sounds it is extraordinary. You are skeptical. Skeptical but for good reason. You said theres a Business Case but although elon musks presentation was compelling it is unrealistic. But thats his style. You know, to present these ideas. In two years were going land on mars. Maybe. Have people going there in 2025, thats pretty difficult. What are the bigge dangers . Biggest danger is you cant breathe. You would notice that right away. So i ask everybody do you want to live in a dome the rest of your life . And very few people do. And model i always present is do you want to live in antarctica . People go to antarctica. We keep a science base there, heck yes. But people dont go there to raise families and build swing sets and sliding boards. Thats just not how you do it. And every day, we are on the verge, we are on the cusp, we are right there in our ability to look for signs of life on mars. Im not kidding, everyone. It would be an extraordinary thing if we found evidence of life on mars. It would be absolutely world changing if you found something still alive there. It would be like perturnicus proving that the sun went around the earth instead of the earth around the sun. We dont spend that much money on planetary exploration. Also you dont want to land there and fill it full of human mike kroebs and you cant tell the old from the new. You cant do that. Spacex has had its challenges as in virgin galactic. How confident, safe enough to carry humans to mars. Spacex hasnt sent humans to space yet. No. They are only doing Cargo Missions to the International Space station but that will be change soon. They want to dperry astronauts to the International Space station. One of the rockets just exploded a few weeks ago. Of course. Its unclear how much the timeline is going to shift as a result. Theyre still in the early stages of that investigation and spacex is very frustrated. They dont know what caused that explosion. They think theyre getting closer and closer to isolated what caused it. Of course thats a big hurdle for them. But theyre going to overcome that. Of course they will. They will figure that out. So can they develop one safe enough to bring people to mars . Sure. I mean, that would be i just dont see why they couldnt. They, why this company couldnt. I think that certainly the architecture, they would be putting a lot of safety protocols in place to make sure that it was a safe as possible before they put human beings in those tin can or fiberglass cans or whatever materials the space ship and rocket will be made out of to go to mars. But the real question is is how are their bodies would be able to handle it. Elon musk, theres a lot of questions surrounding what habitat we would be living in and how our bodies would withstand the space radiation and elon musk did not really answer that. Right. Bill, i mean, rachel has done a lot of reporting on how much the funding for these things has gone down. I mean, nasa used to get way more funding when we were trying to get a man on the moon and competing against russia, et cetera. You dont have that competition anymore. Its more collaboration between the United States, russia, and china. Everybody, that was a cold war. Im so old i lived through that. And i understand it. But the nasa budget used to be fully 4 of the federal budget. Now its 0. 4 . Keep in mind that nasa is the best brand the United States has. Even people who dont like the United States respect what nasa does. And for those of you who havent recently had your passport renewed, do you recognize that space . Yes, i do. Which one is it . Sputnik. No, thats pioneer. Pioneer, excuse me. Passport and the Canadian Space agency put space station on the back of their money because they appreciate how much it does for your society when you have a bunch of People Rocket engineers running around it just raises the level of of National Pride and theres always talk about spinoffs. But its expectations that are so cool. So what we want at the Planetary Society we did an analysis last year that you could get to mars in 2033 without increasing the nasa budget as long as we all stuck to the deal to somehow lease or have nasa let go of maintaining International Space station. So if you just increase the nasa budget a little bit and had international cooperation, get there in 2028. All right. Ill let you guys go. Ill sign up. No, no. Im not going. Were on the verge of making just amazing discoveries. I have to leave it there, guys. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you, guys. Lets change the world. Yes. Mars, here we go. Dream a little bit, guys. Ill let you go geek out as we go to commercial. Geek out. Coming up, a new season and a new saturday night live tonight, how will alec baldwin stack up against some of the greats . Get between you and lifes dobeautiful moments. Llergens by choosing flonase, youre choosing more complete allergy relief and all the enjoyment that comes along with it. 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