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Its just stoop. He had his wings on earth and now soaring in heaven. Louisiana tragedy. When Something Like this happens you love your kids. New details on the killing of a 6yearold boy, jeremy mar dis, shot in the front seat of his fathers car, allegedly by two Police Officers. Nick valencia on the ground tonight. This is established for white men only university of missouri. Calls for the University System president to step down. Dozens of Football Players refusing to take the field until tim wolfe is gone, has racism poisoned this College Campus . Live in the cnn newsroom. We begin tonight with new attacks from republican frontrunner ben carson. He is calling the media, quoting sick and stupid. He believes he is receive what he deems unfair quote special scrutiny because in his words, a lot of people are threatened by his candidacy. The retired neurosurgeon made a fresh round of appearances on different sunday talk shows this morning. Also on cnn and he slammed journalists and defended himself against claims that he possibly exaggerated critical parts of his life story, like getting an offer to attend west Point Military academy or trying to stab someone when he was younger. Our Sunlen Serfaty spoke oneonone with carson earlier today in puerto rico. Reporter poppy, ben carson is disputing the notion that all of the intense media scrutiny is getting under his skin, despite fierce pushback, aggressive pushback on his part this weekend, something that he kept up today here in puerto rico, really launching, again, into an angry and at times mocking critique of the media. I asked him during that press availability why he would not then produce much of the evidence that the medias asking for to back up many anecdotes in the stories and heres how he responded. The burden of proof is not going to be on me to corroborate everything that ive ever talked about in my life because once i start down that road, every single day from now until the election, youre going to be spending your time doing that and we have much more important things to do. Reporter carson said that he believed heat being held to a higher level of scrutiny because hes doing so well in the polls. Here what happens he told cbs earlier this morning. Theres no question im getting special scrutiny because, you know, a lot of people who are very threatened and then you know they seen the recent headtohead polling against hillary and how well i do. And you know, theyre worried. Theres no question about it. And you know, every single day, every other day, or every week, you know, theyre going to come out, well you said this when you were 13 and you did this and and the whole point is to distract, distract the populous, distract me. Reporter certainly sets an interesting backdrop up for tuesdays debate in wisconsin. I asked ben carson what his mindset is given this weeks Media Attention going into that debate. He said he is focusing on the issues, specifically Economic Policy and foreign policy, and no, he says hes not holding any mock debates. Poppy . Thank you very much. Plelets bring in political commentators. You think carsons right, you think hes being treated unfarley by the media but shouldnt someone near the top of the polls be open to any and all scrutiny especially when its about stories they themselves put out in a narrative they are running on . Theres a difference between scrutiny and going after someone and fabricating something, as i think politico did with this whole idea that there was some controversy over him getting into west point. Look at facts. He was sitting there, in charge of the rotc, 17 years old, detroit, leading student, got into harvard. Is it plausible that west point would want a student in that rank in the rotc going to harvard . Yes. Did he say to them, im going to harvard because i want to be a doctor . Yes. Does that mean he didnt get offered a scholarship . No. Anybody, if you asked the average student that goes to school, if you get to go to school for free, if someone cops after you and says come here, would you call the scholarship . They would say, yes. Its not about looking into the story. Its about not letting story go and looking at the fact that he is smart, he went to harvard. He didnt lie about west point. He didnt lie about yale. Yale. Excuse me, sorry. He went to yale. Theres a difference for a few that went to harvard or yale. He went to yale. My point is he went to a place where he obviously was brilliant to get in there. West point was not out of his reach. And as head of rotc. Ben, im going to jump in there. Heres why im jumping. Politico changed the headline saying, after they said originally the campaign had been fabricating this. Im not sure politico is the best example. What about the cnn reporting . Cnn reporting, reporters went back to detroit, looked for these people that he had talked about trying to stab one, many of these other stories of anger and aggression and violence and couldnt find one of them, all of the friends of carson from his childhood that they did find said this did not resemble the man they knew at all, what about that. Thats curious. We all accept the politico story was poorly handled. There were question marks about than hold that at arms length for a moment and go to the story you mentioned here, poppy. Cnn reporters and investigators have gone back to find childhood friends, acquaintances, classmates, nothing seems to corroborate this narrative. Its not an issue of not finding one person to say they were there in the room. Theres no one who seems to even recognize the kind of person that ben carson is describing. Thats whats troublesome. I find weird irony were saying this guy isnt qualified to be president because he didnt stab anybody. Thats sort of weird. But the ultimate question becomes, is he trust worry or does he have a penchant for overstating things, whether the childhood stuff, what happened in the store where someone had him at gun point he said i think you plent to gmeant to ge other there. They dont stand up to scrutiny. Weigh in on something i read in our team all talked about fast nas, its from a Opinion Column in the Washington Post this morning by janelle ross, she writes, carson and his team have to protect invigorously defend once violent and poor, nowdelivered and rich story hard. Cars carson u. P. S. From nothing saved by jesus and peps neal effort only story works primarily for white republican voters. For others, it demonstrates the jesus saves and for others still, its a narrative that says other potentially costly social solutions to poverty and violence are not necessary. That struck me. Ben, your thoughts . Look, i think for different people, theyre going to like ben carson for different reasons. And i think his story is one thats uplifting because he is an individual that fought hard and came out ahead and turned his life around from a young age. So depends on your perspective or where youre coming from. But the reason why i think theyre fighting back so hard is because they feel like this has gone beyond the norm. I mean when i was young, his age, when were talking about this, there might have been three, four people that in the neighborhood that would have known me well to know what im really like. You dont have a big friends circle when you cant drive and when youre 11, 12, 13, 14 years old. Especially when we had neighborhoods 50 years ago which were very different makeup than they are today. So to me, this seems more of a i want to nail ben carson to the wall for saying something untrue and im going to figure out a way to make him look bad than it is looking at his story and saying is he a good guy . Mark, is this key, white republican voters. Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean ben carson, the greatest lie in American History is the myth of the selfmade person. Nobody makes themselves. Were all were all shaped by our communities, by people who struggled and sacrificed for us, governments that offer safety nets and what ben carson is able to do is reject all of that stuff, and say that i was mark let me finish my point. I didnt interrupt you. Ben carsons able to say, talking about ben carson, ben carsons able to say, i was saved by jesus and hard work. That allows him to reject a safety net. That allows him to push back against the expansion of a welfare state that allows him to resist tax cuts for the middle class and the poor it allows him to create entire narrative. When people say why you doing this . I did it myself. It makes white voters comfortable to say this black guy himself i have to wrap it up. To be clear, no disputing he grew up poor, in detroit, and struggled, and made an incredible accomplishment becoming neurosurgeon that he is. Have to leave it there. You will be back for more. Thank you both very much. Thanks, poppy. Still to come mystery and heartbreak in louisiana. Community coming to grips with the death of a 6yearold boy. Two Police Officers now behind bars, accused of killing this little one, nick valencia spoke with the man who knows both of them. They are like my brothers, two of them. Tell us about them because we dont know anything about them. They cool people, man. They aint bad from nothing. Also a strike on campus. 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With reddiwip. flourish spray noise 6yearold boy shot to death in the front seat of his fathers car, now two louisiana Police Officers charged with the boys murder. It is a puzzling story, made even more bizarre because the motive of the shooting is still a mystery. Investigators trying to piece together why these two officers chased the father down a dead end street in battenton, started firing when the father was not armed. Nick valencia in louisiana. Nick, are we getting any answers today . Reporter we are. We are learning a lot of bizarre, new details. I just spoke to a source with knowledge of the investigation who tells plea, poppy, that the acting marshall, norris greenhouse jr. , one charged with murder of the 6yearold, knew that 6yearolds father prior to the shooting. Investigators tell me theyre looking into the extent of the relationship. Meanwhile we should mention that that father was found to be unarmed at the time of the shooting. In this community, this tightknit community, 5,000 people, well, everyones talking about this 6yearold little he was just like an innocent little boy. Reporter a week since the death of jeremy mar dis. Always was an angel. Reporter two Big Questions why, would Law Enforcement chase the boys father down a dead end road and why use lethal force. Buckled into the passenger seat of his fathers car, when police opened fire help was hit five times, in the chest, and head. His father, chris few, was also hit and wounded. Jeremy mar dis, 6 years old, he didnt deserve to die like that. And thats whats unfortunate. Reporter days after the shooting head of Louisiana State Police Announce two marshalls face seconddegree murder, attempted murder charges. 32yearold and 23yearold taken into custody, and placed on administrative leave. The incident was captured on police body cameras. Im not going to talk about it but im going to tell you this. It is the most disturbing thing ive seen. Lie leave it at that. Reporter two other marshalls present during the shooting, stafford and greenhouse, so far, only two arrested. He had his wings on earth and now hes soaring in heaven. Reporter roxanne was jeremys special needs teacher. The child nonverbal autistic one of her favorite students. She loved the way his eyes lit up when he smiled. He loved clasp i sent all of the pictures to family members. They have all of those mementos he. Loved dressup centers, doing alphabet puzzles. An awesome boy. Reporter he heard gunshots on his way home from work. He knows the officers well. I know derek and norris, theyre like ply brothers, two of them. Reporter tell us about them because we dont know anything about them. They cool people, man. They aint bad for nothing, sir. Never did nothing bad. Reporter neither marshall has been convicted of a crime but according to local news reports in 2011, stafford indicted on two counts of aggravated rape, the case dismissed. Both marshalls expected to make their First Court Appearance monday. And both those marshalls remain in Police Custody here at the Detention Center behind me. We should mention that 6yearold boy had a viewing in hattiesburg, mississippi today. And tomorrow, that funeral is expected to happen. Absolute innocence. Hope they get answers. Thank you. Next, switching gears, did you watch . Was Donald Trumps snl performance a hit or a miss . We will show you the highlights, if you went to bed early like me, next. Knew barbara has a way in the kitchen. So after a visit to a syrian refugee camp in lebanon, the cookbook author and photographer knew there was a special recipe she needed to whip up. I had to do something. I didnt know what, but i just wanted to get closer to this problem. Reporter lebanon has been overwhelmed with more than 1 million syrian refugees, many live in the refugee camp, and struggle to provide for families. This whole adventure started when i went up there, not knowing i was going to do cookbooking i started taking photographs of the refugees. I have a friend, tina, she called me and said i want to cook soup for the refugees, like in america they have soup kitchens and thats what we did. Reporter she began collecting recipes from chefs, foodies and friends to create soup for syria. All proceeds go to the u. N. Refugee agency to help syrian refugees. Her work must continue to support children like this 6yearold who has been at the camp for two years. I became attached to them. This has been my drive and my motivation to continue the project. I am totally blind. And sometimes i struggle to sleep at night, and stay awake during the day. This is called non24. Learn more by calling 8448242424. Or visit your24info. Com. I found a better deal on prescriptions. We found lower copays. And a free wellness visit. New plan. Same doctor. Im happy. Its medicare open enrollment. 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But as you are about to see, trump wasted no time in making that exact controversy part of the show. Theyve done so much to ridicule me over the years, the show has been a disaster for me. Look at this guy. Great, great, great, great. Fantastic. You think youre this terrific person. You think youre this. You think youre that. Ba, ba, ba, ba ba. Trumps a racist mr. President , the president of mexico is here to see you. Great. Send him in. Ah. Donald. Enrique. I brought you the check for the wall. So wonderful. Is he ripping us apart. He definitely is. What what do you think he tweeted . Man. Probably something with like keenan and kenyan, right. Used to call me on the cell phone. Call me on the cell phone im donald trump and i in no way, shape, or form approve of this message. Didnt you used to be a brunette . Yeah. Thats what i thought. Here to talk about all things trump, kate bonner coauthored trump art of the come back with donald trump. She knows him well. Theres the book. Talk to me about last night. Protest outside and then they just decide, i think sort of brilliantly to bring him in, not ignore them. I thought that was brilliant, too. One of the things i want to say, i grew up with saturday night live, you know i moved here a couple of decades ago and i was disappointed there wasnt separation between comedy and politics. Like separation between church and state. You dont think there should have been i dont want to go down as the person against protests and demonstrations on the twittersphere, no, thats not what im saying. Saturday night live is a main theme of new york and politics and just growing up here in culture and it spawned wonderful comedians around the world. I was disappointed that those protests were outside saturday night live. But certainly got the, you know, the controversy it deserved. Its interesting because some of this gets worth, some didnt as much. The laser harp thing i was sort of confused. And we know that trump turned down, he told fox news, he turned down the more risky skits didnt want to alienate some voters. Did he play it too safe. It did turn down skits did guy on air saying they were too risque. Hes very conservative. People say hes had this reputation of being a ladys man and loving beautiful women and surrounding himself by gorgeous girls he certainly married a couple. Down deep inside, donald is conservative. Really . Not talking politically saying sort of a family man. I want surprised to see that. However, i was a little surprised to see him admit it. Lets switch gears and talk about more serious note, look, he has come out pretty strongly against ben carson. Chief rival, really near or neck and neck with him in the national polls. And he talked about it with jake tapper this morning on state of the union. Lets play that. There is a lot of scrutiny and frankly a lot of misstatements under fire and i hope bens going to be okay with. Its going to be interesting to see what happens. Time will tell. But it is certainly a lot of people are asking a lot of questions all of a sudden and you know, its a little bit tough. I would say its not so easy on ben i hope frankly it comes out great for him. He also said in that interview, talking about ben carson recounting, trying to stab a friend when he was young somewhere hitting a belt buckle, trump said to jake, belt buckles dont work like that, knives slip off of them. It was as though he was questioning him. Yeah, i thought that was an interesting interview. I saw it this morning. I felt its and a departure from trump, he usually goes after people if there is bad press, you know, on one of the candidates he agrease wholeheartedly. That was a departure. He was softer do cow that mean he doesnt see carson as big of a rival now because of this controversy . I think its because he i mean a lot of people think that he, himself, has not been fairly vetted. When comments come up what he has done or not done, there will be more scrutiny on in trump and the trump organization, no doubt. And i think he doesnt want to behypocrite. He doesnt want them agreeing with controversy around ben carson and criticism when information comes up later in the day. Let me ask you this quickly, you bring up scrutiny around the trump organization. The issue with that is that its privately held company. Yes. Youre not going to be able to scrutinize it like Carly Fiorinas record at hewlettpackard. How much does that play into this, the fact that you know as much as you dig, it was nonpublic. Thats true. Look at report who are went to dr. Carsons hometown and talked to people and human beings and schoolmates and teachers and did that on the ground boots on the ground reporting. Its conceivable someone would do that at the with the trump organization. Theyd interview people who worked there interview people that no longer work there. Exactly. Well see. Well see. It will be interesting. Nice to have you on. Thank you for coming in. Coming up next, turning to the tragic plane crash in sinai, egypt, an official firing back at claims that security at Sharm El Sheikh airport is lax, calling them generalizations, unsubstantiated and false. Also, if it was a bomb that took that russian plane down, could the same thing happen here . Well explore, next. Awe believe active management can protect capital long term. Active management can tap global insights. Active management can seek to outperform. Thats the power of active management. I am totally blind. And sometimes i struggle to sleep at night, and stay awake during the day. This is called non24. Learn more by calling 8448242424. Or visit your24info. Com. Tonight we come to let loose. Tonight we come to dance. They try to put us in a box, they try to categorize us. Saying we gotta dress like this, we gotta talk like that. But we say no more spirit use your wings. Freedom tonight we change things. 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One senior obama official telling cnn certainty is, quote, 99. 9 , another official saying it is quote likely. We are learning that sole some intelligence used to make that determination came from israel. U. S. Official briefed on the intelligence and a diplomatic source Say Communications captured by Israeli Intelligence passed along to the United States and britain. Egyptian Officials Say news reports claiming lax security and nonfunctioning equipment at Sharm El Sheikh airport are, quote, generalizations unsubstantiated and false. Today the Associated Press cites up to seven officials involved in security, each describing poor security procedures there with me live, from Sharm El Sheikh, nima. Talking first about the significance, why is it significant that some of the intelligence has come from israel to the United States . Reporter given that the egyptian authorities have been reeling from blow after blow with statements from the uk and then from the u. S. And president putin saying that he has evidence that he would like the flight to be suspended while they wait for the investigation to show final evidence all communicated publicly before it was communicated bilaterally and privately to the egyptians. You have to remember the egyptians for years were a key figure in terms of Security Cooperation in this border region. Seen by the u. S. As being integral. For them to hear this evidence was picked up in the sinai, which is a closed zone of military operations here, in egypt, there was intelligence and chat that was picked up by the israelis before their own security apparatus, and then passed on to the u. S. And the uk, that really only adds to this sense that egypt isnt sufficiently across the Terror Threat in its territories, poppy. Youre there, you have been at Sharm El Sheikh airport now for a few days. What have you witnessed in terms of security and any concerns that people should have there or is this as egyptian officials are saying hype over something thats not a reality . Reporter well, Sharm El Sheikh, its a tiny tourist airport. It has never given you the sense, when ive been here in the past, of being smoothly running locked down zone, famously a few months ago, a mentally disabled man managed to enter the perimeter of the airport along the runway and walk amongst planes before tackled down by police. So there have been concerns in the past about this airport. But egyptian officials are saying now that they believe that the security doesnt need to be changed, that even though theres a broader security presence on the runway and theyve closed off as a militarized zone and pushed us further back from it, theyre doing all of this to appease the nations states whose nationals are attempting to find their way home. As far as theyre concerned there was nothing wrong with the security in the first place and nothing wrong with it now. Thank you very much. Lets talk more about this with cnn National Correspondent analyst pete bergen. Thank you for being with me. Thank you. Lets read what you write in the oped. Five american citizens involved serious terror crime since 9 11 have worked at major u. S. Airports in a variety of capacities, add the 73 airport workers in the United States with access to secure areas was only six months ago that they were identified by officials at department of Homeland Security as being in a federal database of possible terrorists and a troubling picture emerges. Yes, that is an incredibly troubling picture especially given what looks more likely to have happened. Is this country safe from what happened, what may have happened, in sinai . Well, i mean, the fact is we have had five american citizens who have had a variety of jobs at american airports over the last decade plus, some of them sensitive areas, some in less sensitive areas but still past security in dutyfree shops and the like. So that sort of fact speaks for itself. Add to that the Inspector General of the department of Homeland Security finding six months ago that 73 people with possible ties to terrorism working in american airports, thats a sobering finding. Yeah. You know, then lets extend it to other countries where americans frequently fly, take britain, British Airways had an employee in touch with the leader of al qaeda in yemen about getting a bomb on a plane and he also applied to be a probl member of the cabin training on British Airways before arrested. Similarly, british employee at heathrow was passing information about the security environment there to a selfdescribed al qaeda member. And thats just looking at United States and britain. I dont have havent had the time to look at other countries in the west. But you know, it not just the situation in the United States. I think obviously tsa in many ways is has a pretty good handle on the problems here. And we do have a good security situation in the United States. The bigger problem is what has been revealed if this was a bomb in Sharm El Sheikh, which is what is the security situation in airports where there are flights coming into the west or the news. Right. What about the go ahead. Go ahead, peter. Well i mean, i think the big luckily on friday the department of Homeland Security announced new measure for cairo, amman, kuwait. We dont know what measures are precisely but we can take it i think its quite likely that the egyptians dont have a very good handle who is working at cairo airport or Sharm El Sheikh i any of their airports and im not trying to single out egyptians. I think its true of other countries. The biggest problem is inbound flights to the United States, west from countries that dont have the same double security as we have. And add to that that we have some of our own problems if you take the Inspector Generals report six months ago, 73 people who might have ties to terrorism being employed at airports. What we do know is that al qaeda has been working very hard on creating an undeductible bomb, we know that. With your expertise in this area, could isis have that technology . If so, could this be a result of that . Something undetectable getting on to that plane . I mean, its not impossible. Certainly al qaeda in yemen has been klees aing with al qaeda in syria to give them some of the bomb making techniques. Of course isis and al qaeda in syria are locked in mortal combat now. But the groups have had people going back and forth between them. In was a bomb in Sharm El Sheikh it wasnt one of the impossible to detect bombs that got on the plane. I dont think i think the work assumption it was a fairly conventionaltype bomb that was put on in the hold and you dont really need something that would defeat, you know, a high level of airport security. Underwear bomber who tried to bring northwest flight 253 down over detroit did have a bomb, he did get through security in amsterdam and thats a tough airport to get through. So you know, i dont think it for Sharm El Sheikh, for the attack on metrojet airliner, its not necessary it was one of the ultrasophisticated bombs completely impossible to detect. Or that might have been. Just to think theyre working on that and potentially getting close is a terrifying thought. Thank you so much. Thank you. Straight ahead, deep anger on the campus of the university of missouri after a series of racerelated racist incidents. Now, Football Players are calling for the man in charge of the entire University System there to step down. They say they will not play until something changes. 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Dozens of Football Players for the university of missouri right now saying, no football, no practices, no games until the University System president steps down. Youve got dozens and dozens of players, including starting running back russell hanbro making the announcement tim wolfe acted too slowly when a racist incident would happen. One example, one smeared a bathroom wall. Human feces on the when you look at this, you also have a student who has been on a Hunger Strike there, calling for the president to step down, since november 2nd. Grad student there in missouri, jonathan butler, spoke to him a few minutes ago, hes one of so many players involved in this at this point. Not only, poppy, players that you mentioned part of the team, but also this individual here, grad student, who insists there is widespread discrimination, sexism and homophobia among other things on the campus. Whats interesting here, you have the University President as you mentioned thats coming forward, tim wolfe saying theres at least a problem with widespread major issues there, discrimination, and at this upon we did get an opportunity to speak a few moments ago with butler, who is the student who is in the middle of the Hunger Strike whoop strike. We asked why hes doing this. Im in this because its that serious. Were dealing with humanity here and at this point we cant afford to continue to work with individuals who just dont care for their constituents and when you see whats happening on campus now, with the racial incidents, with the instance with graduate huff insurance and Everything Else going on, we just have leadership that doesnt care about its student body. From the side of the university, i think the policy is where were still lacking we dont have anything substantial for students. Talk about whats happening on campus in terms of people reaching out and saying theyre having difficult dialogues with white peers, people talking about homecoming demonstration in their classrooms, people inserting this into the curriculums already, i think thats the huge impact because you know regardless of what happens with my life, people are really starting these conversations that are necessary and thats whats going to bring about the change in the long term, people having dialogue and people using radical love to really change our society. You know, poppy, during our conversation what stood out his constant reference to what he referred to as systemic oppression there at the University System. Whats interesting here the president , tim wolfe, coming forward, saying, recognizing, yes, there are changes that need to be made here, School Officials need to come up with a plan to encourage diversity. They do say officials will be meeting from now until possibly april of next year. This is the actual statement, the latest put out, in which president wolfe says, it is clear to all of us that change is needed and we appreciate the thoughtfulness and passion which have gone into the sharing of concerns. At this point the conversations that we expect really in the months ahead expect to be very heated and very passionate ones, poppy. You wonder what will happen to the student who hasnt eaten now hell do it as long as it takes. Thank you very much. Well keep following that for you. Speculation run rampant in Southern California when this bright light streaked across the night sky. Im sure you heard about it in. Well tell you what sent l. A. Abuzz last night. I found a better deal on prescriptions. We found lower copays. And a free wellness visit. New plan. Same doctor. Im happy. Its medicare open enrollment. Have you compared plans yet . Its easy at medicare. Gov. Or you can call 1800medicare. Medicare open enrollment. Youll never know unless you go. I did it. 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