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Take months to turn things around. Every night at this time well be here for one hour. Well meet fascinating people from all walks of life. One thing he loved was being in front of that camera when those lights came on. He was just perfect. Instead of goodbye, how about so long . Im pamela brown in washington. Welcome to our viewers in the United States and around the world. You are in the cnn newsroom. We begin with some shocking developments out of washington. A New York Times report says then President Donald Trump tried to use the doj to unilaterally void joe bidens election win in georgia and sheds new light on how far the failed effort went. Now as Senate Democrats put together a plan to tackle the second impeachment trial for trump some including the new majority leader are calling for a new investigation. Cnn Congressional Correspondent ryan nobles joins me now. A very busy weekend for you there on the capitol hill, ryan. How does all of this fit in on the impeachment timeline . You know, this bombshell report by the New York Times doesnt directly connect itself to the impeachment trial but it certainly is something that could be in the back of the minds of these senators as they make the decision whether to convict President Trump. Already the Senate Majority leader Chuck Schumer is responding to this report. He tweeted earlier today, quote, unconscionable that a Trump Justice Department leader would conspire to subvert the peoples will. The Justice Department Inspector General must launch an investigation into this attempted sedition now. Then he adds and this is important and the senate will move forward with trumps impeachment trial. Of course the articles of impeachment will be brought to the senate on monday and the senators sworn in. A presiding judge picked by tuesday. Then there is a twoweek period of time where the former president is going to get his Legal Affairs in order before the trial begins on february 8. This was something republicans pushed for. They believed the president needed some time to get everything in order and that would be part of the due process he should be afforded in this trial but it also comes with it a degree of difficulty for former President Trump because new information could come out between now and february 8th which could influence the 17 republican senators needed to vote with democrats in order to convict the former president. Keep in mind, impeachment is not a legal argument. It is a political argument. So if there is pressure put on those republican senators it could make a difference. Pam, theres still quite a bit of time before the trial takes place. In the interim we are expecting the senate to move quickly to confirm some of President Bidens new cabinet nominees. Quite a bit of time. Its New Territory for these lawmakers. Theres never been a senate trial for a former president. So keep us posted. I know you will on how all of this plays out. The second impeachment trial for donald trump comes at a unique time in america. There are some who want the former president to stand trial. Others just want to move on. I just spoke to President Bidens Senior Adviser Cedric Richmond earlier in the show. He was in congress until recently and he voted for impeachment before joe biden took office. Listen to what he told me about the upcoming trial. Weve learned the senate trial will be held in february. As we get further away from the january 6th insurrection do you think the senate is more likely to acquit former President Trump . I dont know. Thats what trials are for, for people to lay out the facts. I think in two more weeks the president , former president , will be afforded a chance to put up a defense. The house will make their case. Then the senate will vote. And look, that is what the house and senate should be doing. However, what we should be doing is making sure we get our hands around this economic crisis that we have in the health crisis. We have all the faith in the world in the house and senate for them to do their duty and what they were sworn to do. You dont want to comment on whether you want to see acquittal or conviction . No. I dont think people should comment on that. The facts should lay out what happens. And that is what makes america one of the best countries in the world is we have a democracy where you lay out the facts and a jury decides. This jury is the United States senate. I know many of those senators and i think that hopefully they will let the facts dictate how they vote. White house adviser Cedric Richmond talking to me last hour. Well, there is no honeymoon period for President Joe Biden as he hits the ground running amid a dire pandemic and economic crisis. Lets go to cnns john harwood at the white house. How is the president prioritizing his agenda in just these first few days . Pam, in a very real sense there is only one priority for joe biden and that is getting on top of this coronavirus pandemic. It is a Public Health crisis of course. Weve lost 450,000 americans, 25 million cases. But its also the cause of our economic issues. Once the pandemic is brought under control the economy is likely to take off. That is job number one. We saw the president on his first full day in office sign those executive orders saying he is going to use the defense production act to enhance the production of vaccines, create a pandemic testing board, take other steps of that kind. On friday we had him sign executive orders to ease some of the economic strains on americans just the way adjust the way food stamps are calculated so americans who are hurting can get a few more dollars in their pocket. The real step he needs to take has to go through congress. Thats that 1. 9 trillion covid relief plan that would fund relief for americans, 1400 checks. He is not going to get it all through congress but a significant chunk and the question is does he do it with republican and democratic votes by producing some sort of compromise or fall back on a special procedure that would let him move a more limited bill with only democratic votes . That is the strategic calculus he has to make in the next couple weeks. And he has to decide, look. If i go the latter route as you point out which is just the democrats is that going to hurt my efforts Going Forward where i need republicans onboard to move forward with other plans in the first hundred days. The president has made his first calls to foreign leaders as well. Who has he spoken to . Reporter he has spoken to the heads of state of britain, canada, and mexico. Three very close u. S. Allies. It is expected you would make those calls early in your presidency. They are all the more important with joe biden because of the way donald trump has strained some of those relationships. Boris johnson the british Prime Minister talked about Climate Change with the president. Joe biden has rejoined the paris climate accord. Boris johnson welcomed that. They also talked about support for nato, the u. S. Commitment to nato is something donald trump had called into question. He talked to the president of mexico about immigration. That was a huge friction point between the United States and mexico. And with canadian Prime Minister trudeau they talked about the xl pipeline. Joe biden has pulled that permit, fulfilling a campaign promise. Prime minister trudeau does not like that. They acknowledged that disagreement and with all of the leaders they talked again about that job one not just for the United States but globally and that is getting on top of covid19. All right. John harwood thank you for bringing us the latest from the white house. We appreciate it. You are live in the cnn newsroom. The vaccine rollout is getting a lot faster but is still not fast enough in many areas across the country. And that is causing a lot of frustration. More on that when we return. And were saying goodbye to a cnn legend and our long time friend talk show super host larry king. Well look back at his life and career with his long time executive producer. Well the United States is set to cross a somber threshold in the next few hours with 25 million covid19 cases registered since the pandemic began just over one year ago. But also as of today more than 20 million vaccine doses have been administered. Getting vaccinated is not yet a simple task for everyone who qualifies. Take a look here. This is los angeles. The parking lot at Dodger Stadium where some people say they waited up to five hours to get the vaccine but as cnns natasha chen reports not every area has the vaccine on hand. Reporter as the Biden Administration went into its first weekend promising to remain laser focused on the pandemic the virus continued its lethal now yearlong rampage. 764 deaths on friday alone in california. An all time single day record for the state. Meanwhile the u. S. Centers for Disease Control and prevention reported on saturday more than 1. 4 million vaccine doses were administered. So far the Biden Administration has been meeting its goal of 1 million shots per day about double what the u. S. Was averaging in the month before the president took office. But local Health Providers are hitting road blocks and ramping up. What resources would you need to be doubling what youre doing every day . A dependable vaccine supply. Right now were having to kind of dance a delicate dance between opening up additional appointments and the amount of vaccine we have on hand. Reporter friday night the board of health in dekalb county, georgia offered new appointments for the first time in nearly two weeks because they had been uncertain of how many new doses theyd get. Publix Grocery Stores which are offering the vaccine in three states told cnn theyre also only releasing new appointments when theyve confirmed and verified shipments of vaccine. I am less worried unless no news pops up about running out as i am this is going to take at the moment a lot longer than expected in early december. I think the biden team has found the cupboard is a lot more bare than anyone thought. Reporter the Los Angeles County department of Public Health says theyve only received enough vaccine to inoculate one in every four people who are currently eligible. About 5 of the u. S. Population has gotten at least one dose. Around half of the doses distributed to states still havent been administered according to data from the cdc. The feds need to take control so they can help the states. The line was long and i waited an hour and a half but thats okay. If you really want to get this, youll wait. Reporter and there is hope for improvement because dr. Anthony fauci says now science is guiding the way. That is a different tone actually. Thats strikingly different. Thats the reason why even though there is still going to be a lot of challenges ahead, if you stick with the scientific data, and are transparent, open, and honest with the American Public, i think youll see things that are going to be different as we move forward. All the work of getting here was worth it. Reporter natasha chen, cnn, atlanta. In california as you saw there is no shortage of frustration. Some people there say theyve waited upward of five hours for this vaccine. Why the log jam . Is there any sign right now that things are improving . Reporter well, there is a sign right behind me, pam. That is some of the super sites are opening up not in the city of los angeles but run by the county of los angeles. This one is at the forum at englewood. Theyre opening up these sites. All of this under terrible conditions. Listen to the latest statistics right out of l. A. County. 269 new deaths. We have more than 15,000 deaths in l. A. County and 5,000 of those since december 30th. How do you get after this problem . Well, as i said, theyre starting these vaccination sites, these megasites throughout the county. This one at the forum. People described that same sense that you said, frustration. They were trying to get an appointment. They got on to websites that sometimes broke down. They couldnt make a phone call. When people got their shot today, never have you heard somebody so happy to be stuck in the arm with a needle. Relief. Relieved. The hunt for trying to get it has stopped. Now i got the first one. Ill just wait for the message to come back for the second one. How long did you hunt . From the beginning of time. From the beginning when this started. And i feel great. I dont want to be actually away from my kids and grand kids. I want to be able to hug them and kiss them and be with them. Reporter a very sweet sentiment indeed. The county supervisor here saying we think we now have the infrastructure. We now just need more vaccine. Youre hearing that echo throughout the country, pam. More vaccines. Absolutely. Before you go, paul, i want to ask you about larry king because you worked with him for a very long time. Tell us how you will remember him. Reporter i remember him as being very generous and extremely gracious. One time i was able to go out to dinner with him and some other work cohorts. We were at this fancy place called the palms and i noticed troy aikman was there and Timothy Hutton and john lovitz and all of them began conversations with larry king. He was so cordial to them. It struck me at that time that larry king was such a power broker everybody wanted to be on his show because so many eye balls were on it. He made a lot of news. I would laugh at some things larry would say. Back then when i was 31 hed say you know youre a funny kid and i dont think larry minds me doing the imitation. I did it in person and he loved it. We bonded over the dodgers. I cant express how much he loved dodger baseball. Going back to his brooklyn days, pam. He is a great man. I called him for career advice a few years ago. I said i want my own show and i want to do a better job interviewing. Can you give me some tips . He said if you ask a question with more than one sentence you have issues. He was just so authentic. Such a unique human being, and he will be missed. Paul vercammen, thank you so much. Reporter he said the same to me about the short sentences. Exactly. I have to keep that in mind in honor of him. All right. Thanks, paul. 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He has the support of his family and a lot of the comments are viewed in context as really sort of misguided political hyperbole. Given the political divide these days there is a lot of hyperbole. It is worth revisiting what Ocasio Cortez said one week after the riot. It is not an exaggeration to say that many, many members of the house were nearly assassinated. Its just not an exaggeration to say that at all. We were very lucky that things happened within certain minutes that allowed members to escape the house floor unharmed. But many of us nearly, narrowly escaped death. With the nation still processing the january 6 attack and another impeachment trial on the horizon as a result democrats in congress have a full plate and big plans. But will internal divisions between progressives and moderates and a fierce fight over the Senate Filibuster complicate those plans . Here to discuss is california congressman ro kana. Thanks for coming on this saturday evening. I wand to talk about this alleged death threat against congresswoman alexandria ocasiocortez. What is your reaction . It is shocking and outrageous. Representative ocasiocortez has spoken truth to power multiple times. She has put herself out there in fights with very powerful interests and been advisable and i think we should appreciate her courage and make it very clear that violence has absolutely no plans in our democracy. That we should recognize diverse perspectives and this person should be held to account for the full extent of the law. Do you feel safe doing your work at the capitol now . I do feel safe but i have concern for some of the very high profile colleagues, people who are much more susceptible to death threats. We have to figure out in this country regardless of Political Party how we lower the temperature so that we do not have the kinds of threats being made on members of congress. Are you talking about maybe boosting security for certain members of congress . I think that has to be on the table. I think there are certain members of congress who have received more threats and should be given more security. But i think more broadly we all have an obligation in both parties to make it very clear that crossing the line and inciting the violence is completely unacceptable. There were republicans as you know such as Vice President pence who faced death threats. This is not just an issue for democratic lawmakers. Its an issue more broadly for our country. Should your colleagues, just to switch gears here, should your colleagues on the senate side remove the filibuster to make it easier to pass legislation . Where do you stand on that . Yes. Absolutely. It is important to understand the history. The filibuster wasnt part of the constitution. This is not the brain child of madison or jefferson. It was the brain child of calhoun and he had the filibuster because he wanted to protect the interest of slave states. The filibuster is a relic of the jim crow era. It has no moral legitimacy and should have been removed years ago. It certainly should be removed now. Let me ask you about this idea of working with republicans because the Biden Administration keeps stressing the first name on major legislation is to get republicans onboard but many progressives are skeptical of that approach. Why is that . Why would that not be a good thing to get republicans onboard and reach across the aisle . It would be a great thing. If they support the 2,000 checks and they support the child allowance for kids which would reduce poverty by 50 and they support a 15 minimum wage im all for it. They should support it. These are policies that are outrageously popular with the American Public. Lets try to get the 60 votes at an initialing round but we shouldnt sell out the working class, compromise working families to try to chase republican votes if they dont share those values. Youre saying basically if they come to our table of course well work with them but obviously well take compromise. Should democrats compromise . Should you be able to be willing to compromise with the republicans . Pam, we should be willing to compromise on certain issues but not on those that have 70 or 80 support among the american people. The minimum wage is 7. 25. Poll after poll says americans want the wage raised. Why should we compromise with elected politicians not representing the will of the American Public . If there are areas of honest compromise, yes. Not when it comes to issues that have broad public support from republicans and democrats. A short time ago i spoke to republican congressman of North Carolina and he voted to decertify the Electoral College results. I asked him about the legitimacy of bidens victory. Watch what he said. You wrote this letter and you signed on to it. Can you now say that joe biden was duly elected, that he was duly elected in a legitimate election . Because if you want to work with him i would think you intoed to acknowledge that before you can actually develop a working relationship with a new administration. Absolutely. When i contested the election that was within the constitutional guidelines that the framers had set up but after ive done that and the electors and delegates from each state elected joe biden as our president , i respect the office. He is my president and i want to work with him to make sure we can bring some meaningful change to the american people. Though i think he will disagree with most of my policies. Thats okay. Its normal. Now can you say the election was not stolen, that it wasnt a fraudulent election . Yes, i think i would say the election was not fraudulent. You know, the constitution allowed for us to be able to push back as much as we could and i did that to the amount of the constitutional limits that i had at my disposal. So now i would say that joseph r. Biden is our president. And you have no regrets. No, i do not have any regrets. So if he has come around and accepted the reality of bidens win, does that give you hope that more republicans could be swayed to work with your party . It does. Im glad he did that. Its too late and it was unconscionable for him to cast a vote trying to decertify the election but at least he now recognizes what the obvious, the truth that President Biden and Vice President harris were elected by this country and i would work with people like him to advance a 15 minimum wang, advance infrastructure, to help people get 2,000 checks. How else would you convince the republicans to play ball if theyre not willing to fully come to the table with you . I would say look at what people around this country want. The infrastructure bill is not something that is a democratic idea. Even donald trump proposed it and your senate voted it down. 2,000 checks. That was something donald trump supported and your senate voted it down. Ending wars overseas. Your party has stood in the way even when donald trump proposed it. Look at policies this country wants. They want help for working families. They want an end to overseas wars. They want action on Climate Change. These are not partisan issues. The question is are you going to just obstruct joe biden because you want to win an election in 2022 orm are you going to work to advance and help this country . If you want to do the latter youll find partners on the democratic side. Thanks for coming on. We hope to have you back. Thank you. Protests erupt across russia over the arrest of a staunch critic of president vladimir putin. Our report from moscow up next. I mean, who doesnt love obsessing over Network Security . All our techs are pros. 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Despite massive efforts by authorities to stop people from coming and the risk of detention, thousands showed up. Some saying they simply cant stay silent any more. Im not proud of my country. I dont want my government to poison people and put them in prison. I want more freedom. I want proper elections and normal government. Reporter Alexei Navalny was detained when he arrived in moscow sunday from germany where he got treatment after being poisoned. The kremlin has denied involvement. Even in jail navalny managed to public an investigation into putins alleged ownership of a gigantic palace worth around 1. 4 billion. A putin spokesperson says the president doesnt own a palace. Navalny called on russians to take to the streets. Translator i urge you not to be silent. To resist. Take to the streets. Reporter russian authorities arrested many of navalnys supporters, even his wife, as she was trying to head to the protests in moscow. She was released after several hours in detention. Across russia it is estimated tens of thousands turned out with rallies in places like st. Petersburg in the far east and even in siberia at almost minus 60 degrees fahrenheit. Accusation officials accused the u. S. Embassy in moscow of, quote, encouraging the protests after it disclosed the location of the demonstrations on its website urging u. S. Citizens to avoid them but people at the rally in moscow said their message is to their own leadership. With the political situation right now i just dont see a future in this country. Reporter after a day with scenes like these in over 2,000 arrests across the country according to a Monitoring Group russian authorities launched an investigation but into violence against the police. Pamela, the state department under the new Biden Administration has already come out and condemned the tactics that were being used by russian authorities both against the protesters and also against journalists but it certainly seems as though the supporters of Alexei Navalny and he himself are not backing down. Theyve already called for new protests to take place next weekend. Thank you. We at cnn are mourning the loss of one of our own tonight. The legendary larry king. You cant have a broadcasting career spanning six decades without collecting a few stories of your own. When we come back ill speak to his long time executive producer about working with an american icon. Look at this human trying to get in shape. You know what he will get . Muscle pain. Give up, the couch is calling. I say, its me, the couch, im calling. Pain says you cant. Advil says you can. Want to sell the best burger in every zip code . Add an employee. Or ten. 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Who came up with the bunny . Do you miss it . Was it embarrassing . Hello larry. Do you know the dalai lama well . What is it like to be shot . How do you handle tabloids . The one thing you didnt answer is why. Was it true that you once thought of taking your own life . Why . The bronkos. Ojs is in that car. Oj simpson is in that car. Liza with a z. Liza minnelli. Train wreck. I didnt want to say it but it was. Behind the mic, those specs and the iconic suspendes he was the tv legend who hosted Cnns Larry King live for a quarter century. Do you consider the Frank Sinatra interview the best youve done . From the minute you step into that spotlight you have to know exactly what youre doing. What comes to mind when you think of Monica Lewinsky . Um are there ever times you cant come up with a question for somebody . They werent there. Let me finish now. Excuse me. From political to personal. Heather mills mccartney takes off her leg. Thats what you call good risk taking. A career so rich, so deep, and he saw it all. Well, larry king live was an addictive hour featuring everything from showbiz celebrities to political king pins to true crime and was even known to tackle middle east peace. Wendy walker was larrys long time executive producer. I know this is a difficult day for you as you mourn the loss of someone you worked with for so long. What was it about larry and his show that made you want to sign on . Oh, my gosh. Well, thank you for having me, pamela. I think i was producing the white house at cnn for ten years and i was ten years at the white house as you know is a long time. I thought what am i going to be able to do to top this . Tom johnson called me at the white house one day and said, i have an idea. We need a new producer for larry king. Would you like to do it . I thought, okay. That might top it. So thats how i got the job. It was an amazing 18 years. I was blessed. Really blessed. Im sure you have countless stories. Larry was involved in the o. J. Simpson murder case from the getgo and cut off the caller to take the infamous bronco chase the into it that happened and you ended up producing countless shows about the trial with lawyers, investigators, family members. Lets listen to what happened the night after the verdict. With us on the phone now is o. J. Simpson. How are you . Im doing fine and, one, i want to thank you a lot because so many of my friends have told me that youve been fair. Tell me what was happening behind the scenes when o. J. Called. This was really funny because we i had told his people if he wants to call in i wanted them to make sure it was him so i added a number specifically for him to call in. We get this call and i pick it up and and of course, it was huge that he called in. Well, we went over a little over our time, just a little over 10 00. And i got a call from atlanta and say said, youre running over, you have to get off the air, we have an o. J. Special. And i said any chance to know what eat on . Its o. J. Himself, so maybe its okay if we go over. So we laughed about it for a long time. That is amazing. We have to do this preproduced piece. Another moment came when Heather Mccartney came on the show. Tell me about that night. Heather was a great guest, and nobody said hey, sit down and by the way, if you feel like it, take off your leg. This is not something we had planned. Although i wish i had thought of it, but i didnt. But what i love about that, and if you really watched that scene, that is so typical larry, because heres this beautiful woman, she takes off her leg to show him what its like. Instead of jumping up and saying oh, my gosh, having any kind of reaction, it was a very normal reaction for him, just like everything was. Nothing really fazed him on the air. He never got flustered on the air. Thats amazing. What do you think it was . Why do you think he was able to do so calm, cool, collected no matter what was thrown at him . I think it was part of his suck set and the secret of what he did. It was a couple of things. Larry had no agenda. So a lot of times somebody in this business will say, oh, my gosh, weve got this big guest and were going to get the news out of them. Larry never approached any interview with, ive got to get thisso out, and he would teach this, keep your questions short. If he heard somebody on the air asking a long question, he would just be like, listen to that, all they had to do was say what, why . It was very short. And the other thing he would say is, listen, listen to, you know, listen to your guests. Listen to what theyre saying so you can react. His reactions, i mean, he really never was at a loss for thinking what should i ask now. And i think the other thing that made him this show really special is [ no audio ] seems like we lost wendy there, but she was just talking about all the years she spent working with larry king as his executive producer and just what made him so talented and a success. One of those is making sure his questions were short and sweet, that he was big on that. Wendy, thank you so much for coming on. Sorry we lost you there. Through the years when a celebrity passed away, larry king could always rise to the occasion by perfectly capturing that persons spirit and impact on the world. Its surreal that we must think we have to rise to the occasion for him. Jeff zucker sums it up like this we morp mourn the passing of larry king. His curiosity about the world propelled his Award Winning career in broadcasting, but it was his generosity of pirt that drew the world to him. We are so proud of the 25 years he spent with cnn, where his news maker interviews put the network on the international stage. From our cnn family to larrys, we send our thoughts and prayers and a promise to carry on his curiosity to the world and our work. And then theres ted turner, the founder of cnn saying from his desk, larry king turned the spotlight on countless people, including president s, celebrities, athletes and movie stars. And all the while his star shone just as brightly. So long, larry king. Stay with us. In just a moment, it will be 9 00 p. M. Eastern, larry kings old time slot. Anderson cooper will host a special tribute the king of talk, remembering larry king starts after a quick break. And thank you so much for joining me this evening on the premiere of my new show. Im pamela brown. Im going to see you tomorrow night starting at 6 00 p. M. Eastern. Pain hits fast. So get relief fast. Only tylenol rapid release gels have laserdrilled holes. 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