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Two mothers with their children and then that one boy traveling by himself. That boy ended up in a Detention Center. I was able to speak with his mother who said she had already spoken with him as well. Whats unclear, we havent been able to figure out, is whats going to happen with the two adult women and their children. Those are the ones that have been kind of at the center of this controversy with the zero tolerance policy. And its not exactly clear if they will be if the adults will be sent to federal court and prosecuted for the federal misdemeanor charge of illegal entry. And then because of that separated from their children. Or if they will be released and given a court date, Immigration Court date and gps ankle monitor and allowed to move freely or more freely in the country. So that is the rub here. The Trump Administration has talked about this being a 100 zero tolerance policy. But quite honestly what we have seen here over the course of the last few days in texas is that its not 100 . But dhs officials will not say exactly how they determine who gets released and who gets prosecuted under this new zero tolerance policy. And just how close to 100 they plan on getting. This all happening as the shelter where these children are being housed are filling up quickly. We learned from the department of Homeland Security just between april 19th and may 31st since this zero tolerance policy was instituted, nearly 2,000 more children have been added to these Detention Centers. In fact, another temporary Detention Center had to be opened up in far west texas where there are more than 300 kids already filling up that space as well. And those numbers, fredricka, dont even include the addition that has happened here in the last two weeks in june. Those numbers when they come out again should increase dramatically as well, fredricka. Whats your understanding inside these Detention Centers or these locations where kids, you know, are being held . How are they cared for . Because the range in ages reportedly is so vast from infants, you know, to kids up to 17 years old. How are they cared for . Who is supervising . What kind of medical attention . I mean, all of that stuff that comes with caring for a child. Kids being, you know, in this location for a matter of weeks. Whos doing that and how is that being carried out as far as you know . Right. So after theyve come through the immigration process, the department of health and Human Services and more specifically within that organization, the office of Refugee Resettlement runs the shelters. They have opened up the doors to two of these shelters earlier this week and given journalists tours of two facilities. One in brownsville and one in california. But these were facilities where mostly older boys were housed. Between the ages of 10 and 17. Quite frankly what we saw, just in an hour tour, was very clean facilities, the children received three meals a day. The rooms, its not like theyre in prison cells but theyre in rooms that sleep five children to a room with walls around it, but there are no doors in those rooms. Theres recreational activities. Fooseball tables, televisions, pool tables. There are also, for the older kids, theyre also sent to school about six hours a day as well. So they pointed out to, you know, those facilities. And from every account weve heard from journalists who have seen this, you know, they were clean. They were cool. Especially given the daytime temperatures we have around here. There are a hundred of these facilities in 17 different states so we got a glimpse of two of them. In your glimpse, because of, you know, some of the images that i was seeing presumably from the facility that you got to see, there were like paintings i think we saw on the wall of images of President Trump, images of president obama and then what appeared to be quotes of some sort. I mean, what why are those images what is going on in terms of the decoration so to speak, the messages that come from that kind of, you know, artwork on the walls . Well, that was one of the details that kind of stood out. The one youre referencing there is the detention facility which is in old walmart, 250,000 square feet. There are these murals on the wall of former president s. One of barack obama and also other president s. The first one you walked into there was theres a strangeness to when you walk into this facility. One of the murals had a painting of donald trump and it was the quote that came with it that kind of stood out kind of oddly to people. It said sometimes you have to lose the battle to win the war. Seemed like one of those messages that might be lost on a bunch of, you know, undocumented teenage children. Ed lavandera, thank you so much. And you know what, another quick im sorry, another question. The 11yearold boy who was unattended, how is he doing . You were a bell to talk to his mother. Whats the plan . Yes, we saw him yesterday afternoon just as he was getting picked up by Border Patrol. And, look, many of the kids that are in these detention facilities have come unaccompanied. This was happening before the zero tolerance policy. We understand he was able to talk to his mother. From what his mother told me, he seemed fine. All right, ed lavandera, thank you. Appreciate it. All right, lets talk more about this. Joining me right now, alberto gonzales, the former attorney general under president bush and the highest ranking hispanic ever in the u. S. Federal government. He is also the author of the book true faith and allegiance, a story of sacrifice in war and peace. Mr. Gonzales, great to see you. You really are in a very unique position here. You know, you know, what that 2008 law signed by president george w. Bush says. And yet you are seeing, like everybody else, these images, you know, of families being separated, children alone, now in these facilities. Is this how this law, you know, was supposed to work . Was that law focusing on what to do with unattended minors and its evolved over time . Whats your general assessment here . Well, the first thing we need to all appreciate is that we have to have secure borders and thats what President Trump campaigned on and thats what hes trying to deliver on. However, you know, were a very smart nation and we have discretion in the way that laws are enforced and implemented. You know, i think we can certainly do better than separating children from their parents. And so, you know, i think this is unfortunate situation. Im hopeful that the government will be able to find a way to secure our borders in a way that is more humane and doesnt separate children from their parents. And hopefully congress will get their act together and pass legislation and present to the president legislation that will correct this problem as well as deal with other aspects of our immigration policy. This is a very serious issue. Getting it right means that we improve our economy potentially. It also means that we do a better job in terms of securing our National Security and im very hopeful that Congress Working with the president we will pass legislation soon that will address this problem in a way thats more humane. So a couple things there. You believe the problem ought to be fixed and you do now believe that this is one that could be fixed or should be fixed via legislation . You do not believe that the president has the power to, right now, remedy this issue . No, i believe the president does have the authority, executive authority and exercising discretion and interpreting laws. But i think as a general matter, immigration policy and the courts have said so, this is the primary province of the congress. When they pass legislation, its permanent. An executive order, executive action by the president can be changed next week. It can certainly be changed by the next president. It can be changed down the road by congress when they pass legislation. This is important for our country and its important that we take actions to address immigration policy in the United States. Do you believe this law is being interpreted the way you interpreted it . Listen, from my perspective, again, i think we all agree in a post9 11 world, we need to have control of our borders. But i do believe that we have the discretion to do to achieve control of our borders without separating children from their parents. I think this is very traumatic for families. I think when americans see these kinds of image, i think theyre heart broken. And rightly so. Again, i think we can achieve our secure border. We can achieve the law. We can enforce the law in a way thats consistent with our values here. And not separating children from their parents. At the same time, you said the president , you know, can exercise discretion. Meaning he can step into this right now. And resolve this matter in terms of children being separated from their parents. Because im hearing from you compassion about the issue here but at the same time, youre saying there is discretion and there is variations of interpretation of the law. So how do these two come together . And what kind of power do you believe is immediately power to resolve this now . Well, for example, its possible that whats going on here is that parents are being separated from their children for a short period of time. For example, to process the parents in. I dont have all the details or facts here. If were talking about longterm separation where children are by the thousands, by the hundreds of thousands, are warehoused in some kind of facility for some period of time. I dont think thats what congress intended. And im not sure that thats necessary in order to enforce the law. I think the processing can occur without any kind of longterm separation between parents and children. I think im hopeful the administration will try to find a way to make that happen until Congress Passes some kind of legislation. So youd acknowledge this is a problem. Whose fault is this right now . I dont know if its appropriate to be pointing fingers. I think we ought to be focused on working together to solve the problem and get these families back together. And to do so in a way that, again, we want to make sure we know whos coming into this country. We want to take advantage of our resources to do the appropriate checks on individuals who have an interest coming into this country. But lets do so in a way thats consistent with our values and that is humane and recognizes that children need to be with their parents to the extent we can make that possible. Then who has the power to fix it most immediately . Well, most immediately, obviously the president can probably take some executive action to deal with this in terms of directing the department of huard about how to process these folks in and try to minimize the separation, try to minimize the disruption. But long term, were talking about legislation. Im hopeful that congress will be able to pass something that the president s willing to sign and will address this issue once and for all. As a former u. S. Attorney general, ive got to ask you about u. S. Attorney general jeff sessions, quoting the bible as justification. Take a listen. I would cite you to the apostle paul and his clear and wise command in romans 13 to obey the laws of the government because god has ordained the government for his purposes. Orderly and lawful processes are good in themselves. Consistent fair application of law is in itself a good and moral thing. And that protects the weak. It protects the lawful. So youve heard so many since thursday say this kind of justification is just too similar to the same kind of justifications for slavery in the u. S. , apartheid in south africa. What was your reaction . You know, i like jeff sessions. One of the things i admire about him is he is a man of faith. Listen, the job of the attorney general primarily is to defend the laws and constitution of the United States. Not so much the commandments in our bible. You know, im not going to criticize general sessions for quoting the bible. But lets hope that he works with other members of the administration to deal with this issue in a way thats efficient and in a way thats fair to families but also in a way that ensures the security of our country. Joe arpaio, the former sheriff, suggested that, you know, parents who are bringing these kids, you know, to the border, bringing them to the u. S. Illegally, have only themselves to blame. Listen. Why do we blame the families, the adults, for taking the chance, violating the law, coming across our border with these young kids . Theyre the ones who should be held responsible. So you shook your heads before even listening to this. Perhaps you heard it earlier in the week. Your thoughts . No, i didnt hear it earlier but listen, lets not punish the children, lets punish the parents. The children have no say in this. If were going to do something, punish the parents. And not punish the children by separating the children from their parents. So i think, you know, sheriff arpaio has it backwards. If you want to do something, lets do something to the parents. Lets not do something to the children thats harmful. Theyre here not by their choice. Isnt that what arpaio is saying, its the parents who have put their kids up to this . I think that there are other ways that we might look at punishing the parents by making sure they dont theyre not allowed ultimately to come into this country. But to punish the children by separating from their parents, you know, i dont think thats the appropriate way to deal with this. What do you want to see ultimately happen . Well, ultimately, what id like to see is Congress Passing comprehensive Immigration Reform that deals with these kinds of issues. That deal also with the 15 Million People in this country here unlawfully. That imposes greater workplace Enforcement Actions and deals with the dreamers. I think comprehensive legislation is needed in this country for two important reasons. One, if we get it right, it is going to improve our economy. It will provide additional workers that we need. But also it will enhance our National Security and in a post9 11 world that is vitally important. 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Paul manaforts bail was revoked yesterday after he was also charged with witness tampering. President trump trying to distance himself from a man who was front and center in his campaign. Manafort has nothing to do with our campaign. But i feel i tell you, i feel a little badly about it. They went back 12 years. With manafort in jail, the preside president s personal attorney giuliani is talking pardon, specifically if and when the president will grant them. My advice to the president of the United States is no pardons. It would completely change the momentum we have now. You can see the polls moving in the president s favor and against muler. Why did you suggest it . I didnt suggest it. The president said to me you shouldnt pardon anybody. What i said was after the investigation is over, then it has to be considered as a governmental matter, not by me. These things get cleaned up. Ford did it. Reagan did it. Carter did it. Clinton did it and bush did it. Youre saying after the probe is over, it may be cleaned up with any pardons. I want to bring in our guest. So page, this is kind of dangling the carrot, even if its after the investigation or at whatever juncture. How problematic is that potentially . Does that, you know, skirt too close to witness tampering, even obstruction by even saying that its a possibility . Weve not seen anything like this before. The constitution gives the president very broad pardon powers. He can pardon anyone, arguably even himself, for almost any reason. But i think mr. Giuliani is correct to be concerned about the optics of using that pardon now while the investigation is still ongoing before manafort has been convicted. If youre using the pardon to keep someone from being prosecuted but to keep them from testifying against you in an ongoing investigation, that could appear to be obstruction. And likely pardoning somebody like a manafort is not really an option if it turns out that manafort went you know, his trial is focused primarily on his life, his business dealings and if there is no connection to the president of the United States, then the president wouldnt even likely consider a pardon, would he . I dont know whats going through their minds at this point. Because they have to think, well what does manafort know . Based on that, is he going to talk to the government about this . Does the government really need manafort to build a case against someone closer to trump perhaps . But at the end of the day, even if trump issues a pardon to manafort to try to prevent him from testifying, that wont necessarily do it, especially if the pardon is issued now. Once manafort has no realistic chance of being prosecuted and sent to prison, if its because of a pardon, then he has no fifth amendment privilege. So then mueller, any other federal prosecutor could put him in the witness chair and require him to testify. He could not evoke the fifth amendment because hes already been pardoned for that offense. Then theres the personal attorney, although now, not really personal attorney, if you listen to the president. People in his circles say hes thinking about, you know, perhaps talking about a deal. Sure. What do you believe might be true about that . That he would be searching for another team . I think it makes sense for him to search for another team. A team of defense lawyers that are comfortable in the Southern District of new york which is where the case is pending. Theres no case yet against him but where the investigation is ongoing. You want lawyers who know the judges who know the prosecutors. And almost every criminal defendant in the federal case at least in my experience is going to consider cooperating. Because at the end of the day, when youre looking at, you know, decades perhaps in prison as a result of this type of an offense, you want to avoid that obviously. You want to do the best you can for yourself. If you have something that the government thinks is valuable, theyre going to reward you for it. What might the government think is valuable as it pertains to Michael Cohen . We already know that, you know, teams are assembling shredded documents, et cetera. What could be so critical about those documents . Thats whats fascinating to me. We have not seen the documents that the lawyers and the special master had been pouring over the past several weeks. These privilege doubts. At least theres an argument that some of them are privileged. I dont know whats in those documents. We know hes communicating with the president. We know now the president was at least aware of the payment to stormy daniels, perhaps others. We know that cohen was in touch with people in russia during at least a critical juncture in the campaign. So whats in those documents . Only the folks that have seen them know. But it could be a lot. Would that be wise if they are skill communicating . I dont think so. Manafort found out that you dont want to talk to a potential government witness even if youre not saying anything that could be itself obstructed. Any contact between a defendant and a potential witness is going to get that defendant in trouble. Thats what happened to manafort. Page, good to see you, thank you. All right, coming up, hes the president s lawyer in the russia investigation. So why is Rudy Giuliani making headlines for calling joe biden a moron and a mentally deficient idiot . Hear how giuliani is defending those comments. Gary ive been making blades here at gillette for 20 years. I bet im the first blade maker youve ever met. 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We had him at a different manner. He had a plagiarism problem at law school. He had a plagiarism problem at p a senator. Constantly making faux pass. Beut why talk about joed bie . Hed be somebody i think the president would like to run against. He never did well as a national candidate. President did fabulously as a firsttime national candidate. Arizona senator john mccains daughter is coming to bidens defense. Saying on twitter, i am disgusted by giulianis abhorrent and idiotic comments about joe biden. Joe biden is one of the great political leaders of all time. One of the truly decent men left in politics and someone my family has looked to for strength during the most difficult time in our lives. Joining me right now to talk about this, cnn political commentator and gop consultant john thomas and cnn political commentator and democratic strategist dave jacobson. Good to see you both. And finally, in the flesh, love it. You first what are your thoughts about giulianis comments . Why do this . First of all, i would love joe biden to run. Many of the points that giuliani made are primarily joe biden cant take the moral high ground. He has trouble with the truth. He got caught for plagiarism. He got caught for plagiarism both in law school not, you know, plagiarizing a sentence but five pages of plagiarism. Trouble with the truth doesnt seem to be standing in the way but the point is he cant lob the standard attacks on the left at donald trump. Hes a gaffe machine. I think Donald Trumps going to nickname him sloppy joe. Oh, boy. So dave, do you think republicans or even more democrats need to be coming to the defense of joe biden or comment about what giuliani had to say . Two things. One, sloppy has already been taken, theres sloppy steve. Donald trump has already dubbed his former senior adviser. I think what this truly underscores is the fact that the Trump Campaign machine is scared. Theyre desperate. Theyre scared. Joe biden would be formidable as would a number of other competitive democrats. The fact of the matter is, this is gutter politics. The trump folks are not talking about jobs. Theyre not talking about health care. Theyre not talking about how theyre going to fix our broken immigration system. Theyre talking about ripping apart children and families and thats not a winning message for 2020. What is going to be the winning message . I think we went on the record that republicans under the Trump Administration have achieved. Our jobs numbers are what theyre going to largely run on. Look, i think honestly a biden trump stackup would be fantastic. Biden is known to be a gaffe machine. And i think i think democrats are under the mistaken perception that biden is tested. When you run for vp, its completely different position than when you run for president. They say running for president is like the mri of the soul. I just dont believe that biden is up to the task. So i encourage him to run, along with the 20 other democrats. Last time i checked, joe biden was under the microscope for eight years when he was vcee president for obama. There was a love affair with the president and they were not looking at joe biden. And hes had his own awkward me too moments where hes kissing people for too long, awkwardly hugging them. I havent seen a me too movement. I think its going to be difficult forre ed bfor biden. Not an easy path here. He screams authenticity. When you bring up the issue of lies or having difficulty with the truth, it was donald trump that was reported on by the Washington Post who has lied over 3,000 times. So both parties do seem to have a problem or there are problem areas as it pertains to the republicans. Youve got, you know, senator corker who just recently said, you know, there is a cutlike following within the Republican Party of trump. Take a listen. Were in a strange place. Its almost becoming a cultish thing, isnt it . Its not a good place for any party to end up with a cultlike situation as it relates to a president that happens to be purportedly of the same party. Largely talking about the silence, you know, among the party. Among party members. And even as it pertains to not completely telling the truth. Not correcting the president. Senator corker can call it cult like. Its called approval ratings. Better approval ratings. And senator corker cant understand why many of the gop base are not aligned with him on issues like immigration and putting america first. They like trumps style. Senator corker doesnt understand that. As it pertains to democrats, the problem sometimes is not being focused , you know, on wht the message is. Looking less of just opposite antitrump. So what are the democrats going to do particularly as we inch towards these midterms . Well, a couple things. I think youre right, there is not a broad democratic platform. We havent seen that. I dont know we necessarily need it. I think everything has to be laser focused by district. Thats what we saw with conner lambs election. A district that trump won by 20 points. He was running a micro targeted campaign focused on local issues. I think its important that democrats focus on that. I think the American People are looking for a check on donald trump. Thats why the ballot is starting to click back up. And fox news just a couple weeks ago put out a poll having democrats with a ninepoint advantage for the generic ballot. It looks like the wind is at the back of democrats. When we come to the november elections, we have a good shot at taking back the house. As part of that silence, you know, seeing what happened to mark sanford. Some are saying because he was outspoken against the president that cost him. Yes. Certainly but jeff flake isnt trying to run well, largely because he knows what would have happened to him. He would have lost. Thats right. A lot of these members look, every politician, democrat or republican, is really concerned about one thing at the end of the day and reelecti reelection. They understand voters are going to hold them accountable. Dave, do you believe that is what happened with sanford . Or was it or could it have been the me too movement, you know, and the fuel behind it and people then thinking about, you know, his past transgressions and that payback has come now . As a result . I think this is the year of the woman, right . Ever since the Harvey Weinstein scandal has broken, i think people are looking at elections and giving it a new perspective. Also, he is in a deep red district. That is a trump district that the president won overwhelmingly. I dont think thats necessarily the challenge for republicans going to 2018. I think the challenges, if you look at the california seven, seven house districts where Hillary Clinton won but republican currently has the district. Those are the swing districts that determine whether or not democrats take back the house. A lot of those house members trying to negotiate with democrats on issues. He wasnt necessarily accused of anything that is in the category of me too, but i really speak of the empowerment of women at this time of me too. I think these transgressions of in fairness to his opponent, sanford ran a terrible campaign, so it was a combination of things. All right, well leave it there. Well see you tomorrow afternoon right here in the house. All right. In a week that saw President Trump praising kim jongun, we look at the reality of the happy pictures of North Koreans cheering their leader. Nothing smells greater than the great outdoors. Especially when youre in accounts receivable. Only one detergent can give you a sniff like this. Try gain botanicals laundry detergent. One of the many irresistible scents from gain. 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