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Indonesia. Airasia has a very good reputation for safety and the men flying the missing plane had thousands of thundershowers of flight experience. Flight 50 01s captain from indonesia had more than 20,000 of them flying with over 6,000 of them on the airasia airbus. The second officer had more than 2,000 flying hours. The captain has been described as a fan of motorcycles and a devoted member of his local mosque. Last week he reportedly visited the grif of his younger brother who recently died. Its been more than 38 hours since the airasia flight vanished over the java sea amid violent weather. Last months before it disappeared the pilots requested to climb to a higher altitude was denied. Now those leading the search effort can see all evidence leaves little room for hope. If the target is on land, its easier than if its an underwater location. Because of the coordinates that we received suggested it a is underwater our resumption now is that the aircraft is under the sea. If airasia flight 5001 is sitting at the bottom of the sea it could make piecing together what happened just much difficult. Joining me is now is john goglia former member of the National Transportation safety board. Good morning, sir. Good morning. So the search has been suspended because its night fall over the java sea but when the search resumes tomorrow how difficult will it be for authorities to find the this plane . Well fortunatedly ocean at that area of the world is not that deep. 150 to 200 feet deep and its been mapped before. In other words, theres been a survey of the ocean floor accomplished. So it should not be that difficult. Once we get a good fix on the location it will be relatively easy to recover the recorders which will give us a wealth of information about what happened. The two socalled black boxes. The plane itself though, what condition do you suppose it will be in . Most likely its pretty well broken up structurally into the the wings will probably be together and the fuselage will be badly broken up. Much like twa 800 that crashed off the coast of long island. It was pretty well broken up by the ocean, by the impact and as it settled down the pieces were spread out. Will investigators salvage all the parts of the plane and rebuild it like they normally do in an investigation . It depends on what the black boxes say and what they find. Weve done that in the u. S. For a number of reasons, not just to recover the airplane. When it gets difficult to determine how the airplane broke up then you will recover all the pieces. If its pretty clear what happened, you may not recover all the pieces, youll just recover the victims of the accident and leave the rest of it down there. Is it likely well know all the information we need to from these black boxes . High likelihood the black boxes will tell us what happened. Very high likelihood. But sometimes they dont have all the story so we have to wait and see. From what youve observed over these past few days, what do you think happened . Well, thats a lot of speculation. Its probably four or five areas of concern to the accident investigators and this is we could have a problem with the static system because the probes again have had another ad today in issued against them by the european authorities meaning that the first time we tried to fix it we didnt get it all so that theyre back at that. Although we dont know what kind of probes were on this airplane so its premature to say that. That is an area of concern. We also have the pilots expertise flying in icing conditions. Weve had that happen before with pilots having low experience flying in icing conditions and make mistakes. We have also Security Issues which are not the accident investigators role but there are concerns around security that need to be explored as well. All right, john goglia former ntsb thank you so much. I appreciate it. Thank you for having me. Lets talk about the role weather played in the this. This plane supposedly went through violent thunderstorms. I want to show you a picture of the type of cloud were talking about. This is a large cumulous nimbus cloud. It can contain heavy thunderstorms, heavy rain and keep in mind its also cold at 32,000 feet so these clouds could contain rain and ice. Chad myers is the expert on this. Heres here to tell us about these clouds and how dangerous they can be for pilots. And they were far to the left and far to the right of this planes path. Theres the planes path coming out of surabaya. I know plane is much larger than it truly is all the way to the left and the right. The plane would have had to deviate left or right to miss these thunderstorms. A large mass of thunderstorms. Now, not a hurricane or typhoon or cyclone but certainly that area that they can form very warm water at the surface, the water wants to rise in a big qume low nimbus thunderstorm develops. You have updrafts downdrafts eddies circulation. Its just like flying through the midwest. You would never want to fly through that 50,000 foot top over oklahoma. That will be a violent right so these pilots has to deviate around this. They either went left or right or it appears they maybe even went up trying to get around this storm or series of storms in a big long line. Its the same type of line that we talked about the air france disaster five years ago. It had to fly through a long line of weather right here at the itcz, the intertropical convergence zone where air converges. When air converges, carol, at the surface, it cant go down because the ocean is in the way. So when the air converges it these go up because theres nothing in the way there. This rising motion creates these thunderstorms and these thunderstorms can get very very violent. Even right here. Thats why we dont even fly. This is the type of the stuff these c 130 Hurricane Hunter aircraft fly through and they get shaken up. Now theyre flying through it on purpose, theyre not flying jets, thatjet s theyre flying props, but they wont be affected by up and down motion that you can get with these big, big thunderstorms, carol. Im talking 2020 hindsight here should plane have taken off that day . I dont think theres any indication that the plane was in danger when it took off or it would havent left. I think these storms develop so very quickly and became a long line so very quickly right in a row that the pilots just saw it and went where do we go now . Well either turn around or weave our wayedly this line of storms and most of the time 99. Something number of times flying around and through thunderstorms is absolutely fine. Chad myers, thanks for your insight, i appreciate it. If you have question questions about the disappearance of airasia flight 850 8501 you can use our hashtag 8501qs. Up next 400 people rescued from a burning ferry but their nightmare is not quite over yet. Narrator this is the storm sea captain theres a storm comin narrator that whipped through the turbine which poured. Surplus energy into the plant which generously lowered its price and tipped off the house which used all that energy to stay warm through the storm. Chipmunk theres a bad storm comin narrator the internet of everything is changing how energy works. Is your Network Ready . My tempurpedic made me fall in love with mornings again. I love how it conforms to my body. With tempurpedic the whole bed is comfortable. Its the best thing we ever did for ourselves. Its helping to keep us young. vo visit your local retailer and feel the tempurpedic difference for yourself. 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The navy reports 419 people have been rescued but the nightmare is not over for the frightened passengers who have not reached port in the Stormy Weather and may be suffering from hypothermia or burns. The fire blamed for seven deaths started early yesterday morning in the adriatic sea. Cnns monkeypoxax foster has more for you. Reporter its 24 hours these ferry passengers will never forget. Theyre the first group rescued by sea and after a full night of waiting its their first glimpse of daylight and dry land in the italian port of bari. Pulled from danger on sunday after the ferry caught fire off the greek island carrying 478 people. Treacherous seas Gale Force Winds and thick smoke acting as a wall between rescue teams and the passengers. As helicopters circled above, the painstaking and risky extraction began. Hoisting passengers one by one to safety and then lowering them back down again on to some of the surrounding merchant ships which were also batting the seas. On board, the fire raging. Officials believe the inferno sparked in the ships garage. One passenger describing to italian media the rubber on the soles of the freezing temperatures whipped through those waiting for their turn to be airlifted. One passenger saying its like the titanic. Italian Authorities Say at least five people have died one man after he jumped or fell off the ferry. The injured were airlifted straight to a hospital in southern italy where medics have been on standby. The fire on board now under control with all remaining passengers now accounted for. Max foster cnn, london. Joining us now live from athens greece, a cnn reporter. Can you bring us up to date on the passengers . Where are they now . Well, a number of the passengers have been taken to the island of in greece and a number have been taken to bari in italy. I was just talking to someone in greece they were assuring me the health of those on board is quite good. Most of them have been taken to hotels rather than just hospitals on the island. They will be spending the night there. As you can understand most of them are extremely tired. We saw the images of them getting out of the boat covered in blankets taking really small steps, not yet being able to walk. I mean for most people its been an ordeal of about 35 hours of standing out there in the cold. Most of them seem to be in good health. Just some minor problems mainly to do with the smoke that they have inhaled and just being extremely overtired or suffering in some cases from hypothermia having been outside for so long but overall it seems that theyre in good shape and many of them are planning to go home tomorrow for from what i understand. Any word on how this fire started . Well there have been all kinds of speculation that maybe the ship had not been loaded properly. What we do know is that italy is has actually launched an investigation, a criminal investigation to see what the motives not the motives but what happened in this case what the causes of the fire might be. But its going to be a while before experts can actually assess what has taken place and before we have a final outcome on this. And i know the seas were too rough for authorities to deploy life rafts so should this ferry have been on the water at all . Its difficult to say. I mean its a ferry that has made that journey very many times and certainly not always in very good weather conditions. But its true that in terms of the lifeboats and then the rescue operations the weather has been really the main problem in all this. The rescuers got there quite quickly, the ships gathered around trying to get access. The helicopters were there but it took so long to get all these people out because of the Severe Weather conditions. All right, thank you very much. Still to come in the newsroom hopes fade and the search area grows in the frantic missing airliner. Well talk about that next. Well, a mortgage shouldnt be a problem your credit is in pret kaboom. Well, i just have a few other questions. Chuck, the only other question you need to ask is, what else can you do for me . Ill just take a water. Get your credit swagger on. Become a member of experian credit tracker and find out your fico score powered by experian. Fico scores are used in 90 of credit decisions. Ive smoked a lot and quit a lot but ended up nowhere. Now. I use this. The nicoderm cq patch with unique extended release Technology Helps prevent the urge to smoke all day. I want this time to be my last time. Thats why i choose nicoderm cq. Its about eight hours until sunrise in indonesia when search planes can return to the skies and scour the java sea for any signs of flight 8501. When the search resumes, crews will face an expanded new area to canvass. Cnns Paula Hancock is at the staging area for the search. Reporter the searchandrescue operation for the missing airasia plane has grown in size this monday. We are at the airport on the island of belitung. All day search and rescue helicopters have been coming in. Theyre going out on sorties, come back here to refuel have a briefing to find out where they should be going next and heading off. This is becoming one of the staging areas for this searchandrescue operation. Now, this island is one of the closest areas to that last point of contact that the plane had and this is the area that much of the searchandrescue operation is focusing on. According to one official we just spoke to, the search area now is 240 by 240 nautical miles so a very large area. Theyre cordoning it off, sectioning it off to make sure theres no overlap, to make sure they dont miss any areas. Theyre doing this very systematically. I spoke first to marshal sipcypriot cyprioti and he says they havent been able to narrow the search down. Translator were searching all areas. Later if we get new data we can narrow it down. I asked the first marshal if he believed the possibility of any survivors still. He said that if the plane crashed in water it is unlikely but if it managed to crash on land neighbor the jungles to the east of here then survivors are possible. Paula hancocks cnn, beliton island indonesia. Still to come in the newsroom, were taking your questions about the disappearance of disappearance of airasia flight 8501. Go to twitter. You give. And you give. And then you give some more. But sometimes you get. And so you take. Tylenol® cold is Strong Enough for you while childrens tylenol® is gentle enough for them. We give you relief from your cold and flu. You give them everything youve got. Tylenol®. Many people clean their dentures with toothpaste or plain water. 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Joining me now to answer your questions, a contributing editor at flying magazine and mary schiavo. Welcome to both of you. Im glad youre here. My pleasure. Thank you. So a lot of people have been tweeting this question if the weather was so bad, why was that plane allowed to take off . Want to tackle that mary . Absolutely. You know, thats an excellent question and a question that really has to be asked by the investigators of the airline because the theories on that have changed dramatically now that we have on board weather radar and weather facilities in the airlines. And a lot of u. S. Carriers will opt to cancel flights rather than not just risk the lives but also risk the schedule. And thats a very good question give than wall of red, that horrible weather. I think the answer is they shouldnt have been there but that remains to be seen by the investigation. As far as the equipment on board the plane, les, did the pilots have enough information to determine how to get around that storm in they . Theyre the ones making the decision not air Traffic Controllers. Of course. They probably had very sophisticateed radar on the a320. It has the ability to adjust the radar automatically and manually. They can see where where the cells are left to right. Deviations, what is the appropriate way to go. So they have systems available to them. So they have systems available and we know mary, that the pilot asked to ascend so he could get higher so he could get through that terrible cloud with the thunderstorms included but air Traffic Control said no there were other planes in the sky. The other curious thing is there were other planes in the sky around this plane and they made it past that cloud safely. But the difference in the weather can vary dramatically particularly in a building thunderstorm situation. And if they were heading in the particular parts of the cloud, especially the parts on the thunderstorm its the area off what they call the area off the end of the anvil. A thunderstorm builds up in an anvil formation and if this plane had the misfortune of being near the end of the anvil, as les will know you learn this in basic flight school, that particular area is really violent. Hail unbelievable winds. Terrible wind shifts and shear. It can vary dramatically. Their rate of climb would have affected it. If they were climbing quickly, the engines were taking in lots of water it affects the performance of the aircraft about the aircrafts performance might have been impaired. Wow. So les take us inside the plane. Youre the pilot. You know theres this huge weather system ahead that you have to figure out a way around. What goes through your mind . Well lets take it all the way back to operations. I mean, we show up we go through a preflight process which includes not only the flight plan but looking at the Weather Information and most of the time we do a selfbrief. We have all that Information Available to us via our companys web sites and so on and so forth. Then we say, okay swell that route going to take us through that particular weather . Well then well talk to our dispatcher and the dispatcher says yes, ive got you over here, this looks like the path of least resistance. And then if its serious enough like mary mentioned earlier in the conversation, theres a chance the airline will cancel things because theyre going to have issues where airplanes will be deviating around a very narrow corridor. But in flight we have that weather radar and we can determine where we can pick that least that path of least resistance. So youre the pilot and you talk to air Traffic Control and you say i need to go to 38,000 feet and they tell you no. What happens then . Thats a great question. We try to deviate left oar right as opposed to climb because we know the that thunderstorms are so high climbing wont always be successful to get out of turbulence. If we get above the tops of the clouds it still may be turbulent because its a building system. But trying to avoid weather totally sometimes is a difficult situation in that you have to pick the path of least resistance. Path of least resistance. I talk to experts all the time and they say planes can take a lot. Tell us how much a plane can take. They can. And if youve ever gone to the videos on the internet and watched boeing take wings of a 787, they can fold those wings and make them touch above the top of the fuselage of the airplane. They flex quite a bit. Its designed and it has to be certified to withstand certain levels of gforces and structurally be able to withstand turbulence. Now, turbulence in the form of upanddowndrafts continuously can be an issue, especially if the pilot attempts to maintain altitude and then you get into scenarios that could cause problems. And what im getting at here mary is its unlikely the plane broke apart in the air somehow. Thats very unlikely because of the way they are constructed and built. There have been very very few commercial jetliners that have broken apart at altitude during bad weather. Its different for smaller planes but this is obviously a very big plane. And that site that les is talking about, boeing put it out. They took the wings of a 777 and a 787 up to the point where they broke them from the fuselage and im going to use my hands here sorry to talk with my hands, but the wing went like this clear up to here flexing before it broke. So it was quite a sight. Theyre tough, theyre really tough. Okay could the pilot have made the decision to turn around and go back to the airport . Of course. Yes, absolutely he could have made that decision. He would have done it in conjunction with the airline and we dont know that conversation if that conversation ever took place but there have been cases in the past where the pilots have not coordinated with each other in terms of one challenging the other as crew Resource Management and also sometime there iss been and we dont know if it happened here pressure by the airlines to go. We call that get thereitis. How much pressure is there . The airlines know thats a touchy thing, especially with safety concerns obviously. But more pilots have a mission packing type philosophy and we want to get our mission done. That being said we dont have any problems saying we cant go there. And if necessary we declare an emergency. We say unable that route, we need a heading to such and such and we deal with the paperwork on the ground. But for the most part none of us at professional levels really feel that kind of pressure at least with the airline that im working for. Well here in the United States but it could be a whole different story in that part of the world, right . Absolutely. I have breaking news and it concerns airplanes, unfortunately so les and mary stick around. This is out of london. A Virgin Atlantic u. S. Spokesperson confirms to cnn that a flight is making a return to Londons Gatwick airport and preparing for a nonstandard landing procedure due to a technical issue with the landing gear. So what is a nonstandard landing . Mary ill suppose that question to you. Well it could be things for example, weve seen this many times before where the nose wheel, for example, wont lock into place or maybe one of the other landing gear wont come down and they dont have the lock light on meaning that the gear is down and locked into place. That can be a nonstandard landing procedure. And they could have other problems. They could have problem with speed brakes or any other part of the plane to help them slow down. But the thing weve seen most often is where the nose wheel does not lock into place. All right. Its a vs43. What is that les . Im not familiar with that. Thats the flight number. Sorry, this is a plane out of london so im not familiar with the plane numbers. It seems to indicate there may be an airbus. Virgin flies airbuses. It looks like it has a landing gear issue potentially which could mean that a gear door is not closed a gear is not coming down, theres an indication of it not coming down. It could be a hydraulic issue. Ive been through that as a flier. Its pretty standard problem. Les, mary thank you so much i appreciate it. Still to come in the newsroom, two officerinvolved shootings happening in two different corners of the country authorities are actively searching for suspects they say fired at Police Officers for no apparent reason. 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The disappearance of 162 people on board airasia is the second missing passenger plane in Southeast Asia in less than a year. It is eerie. It is unusual. Its just kind of spooky that this would happen in this area. But we dont know the facts yet. Reporter after nearly ten months Malaysia Airlines flight 370 and the 239 people on board have still not been found. Authorities are convinced the boeing 777 crashed in the indian ocean. Malaysia 370, theres good evidence it was flown a long long ways and, again, most likely as a criminal act either by a rogue pilot or an intruder or Something Like that. Whereas we have no indication of anything like that in this case. Reporter just four months later, july 17 Malaysia Airlines would suffer another loss. Prorussian rebels are blamed for shooting mh17 out of the xway using a surfacetoair missile. All people on board that boeing 777 died. One week later, more than 100 people perished after air al syria flight 50 al syria al jeer crashed. This is the fourth high profile disaster of 2014. But the former managing director of the ntsb says the skies are still safe. I think when you look at the overall picture, there may have been 600 fatalities in year in aviation. Thats a relatively low rate when you compare it to the massive numbers of people who are flying today. And to that point, aviation has expanded throughout asia the middle east and Eastern Europe at an extraordinary rate. So many people are flying because its so much more accessible. But when you look at the accident rate in relation to the millions and millions of flights flying every year, the Safety Record truly is extraordinary. Especially here in the United States carol. Good to know. Rene marsh reporting live from washington. Thank you. Back to our breaking news right now. As i told you a short time ago, Virgin Atlantic airline says a plane of its had to return to Londons Gatwick airport. It was preparing to make a nonstandard landing there. What does that mean . Well head to max foster who has more information for thus morning. Good morning, what do you know . Carol, they seem to have some problem with the landing gear we were told about that earlier on and the aircraft has been circling around southern england presumably to burn off fuel in preparation for a landing. I just spoke to military or aviation experts and he says if there is any sort of nonperfect situation with the aircraft if its turns into a nonstandard landing. But we know theres a problem with the landing gear. This was an aircraft, the flight towards the virgin flight vs 43 traveling from gatwick to las vegas leaving about four hours ago. Its had to return because of this technical problem now they are attempting to implement a nonstandard landing. So that could happen soon. We dont know exactly when. We do need to know at what point that fuel has burned off so theyre prepared to land. But the aviation expert i spoke to said if the landing gear is partially down not completely down they can attempt a landing and effectively see how it goes. If its completely within the aircraft they probably wouldnt be trying it im told. I was just going to ask you that question. They cant make a belly landing, right . No thats an extreme situation and very very dangerous, indeed. So until we have more information well have to get a sense of what that is. But if theyve been burning off the fuel with the intention to coming into land the assumption is that its down but not completely down, theres some concern about how stable it may be when they do land. All right, i want to head to atlantas weathercenter and check in with chad myers, off flight tracker there. What are you seeing . Weve been watching flight radar 24 on this plane for hours. It tried to take off and did really well likely got a warning light here as the door didnt close or whatever may have happened. The light is likely on, thats why the pilot new. Came out over the atlantic circled a bit, got very low in altitude and we talked about how high the other plane was over there, airasia, 36,000 feet, thats when you burn very little fuel because theres not much air and you have less drag. This plane was down to about 5,000 feet and flying around circles south of gatwick, that lower altitude makes a lot of drag and you use a lot of fuel to burn off. Thats when youre trying to burn off fuel, you go to a lore lore lower altitude now the plane has made the lefthand turn toward gatwick and either a flyover from a visual or about to take that plane to the ground and make that nonstandard as theyre calling it carol. I cant help think of what the passengers are feeling. I know youve been on planes that had to circle and circle and circle. You dont know whats going on. Its frightening. I always want my pilot to tell me or my first officer to tell me whats going on. I dont want to be sitting in the back in the fuselage just waiting, just sitting in my chair going what is going on . Just talk to the people out there, tell them what youre doing and im sure the pilots are in good communication with those passengers because its a fearful time if you only have three pieces of landing gear. We dont know whether its main gear or nose gear that has the problem. Main gear if both of them are down we have a nose gear problem the plane will land and slide on the nose but its better to have two of the main gear down than only have one main gear down and the nose because all of a sudden thats not a good landing. And im sure there are emergency vehicles all along that runway, right, max, waiting for this plane to land . Sussex fire and rescue have said that theyve been braced for this and theyve got all of their Emergency Services on the scene on standby. They say thats the standard procedure when there is a nonstandard landing. 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Typically they find they get a warning light that theres an issue with the landing gear, the door, the failure to retract, failure to come down but thats usually on takeoff or landing so the best they can hope for is that its just merely a light that theres a problem with the door et cetera. Ive been on a flight where the nose gear hadnt come down and locked and there are many procedures to do that. Cnn has cover misdemeanor of these where it comes down. Theres a particular way you have to land, very slow as light as you can get it, theyll burn off as much fuel as possible and the pilot will touchdown lightly like a feather and hold the nose wheel up. Keep the wheel back as long as possible and let all the force of the landing rest on the back wheels. If thats whats wrong. Now, if its one of the two back wheels, thats a much tougher situation. Thats harder. You have to kind of hold one side up from the other. Hold one side up from the other . What exactly does that mean . You have to try to keep the its incredibly difficult. When you land you have to at the last minute adjust so you touchdown on the wheel that you have on that one side. Its very thats difficult. The pilots are trained for the nose gear problem. Its a lot harder to do anything else. If you dont have the gear down and locked into position and all that its tough. Theres a lot of talks sometimes they stay foam the runways, i havent seen any pictures that theyve done that here. If they have and i guess i would suspect its a nose gear problem or maybe even a door problem. So how much fuel do they have to burn off . Does it have to be nearly empty before the plane lands . Ideally, yes. Because they want to get it as light as possible because if it touches down and its heavy, you know, they dont have as many options to have a very light landing, to hold that nose gear up as long as possible. And then also you have much more fuel at a site for example, if the tank would come open if youd have a tear in the tank and sparking you would have a much worse situation than if you have empty fuel tanks. So if they had only gotten four hours into the flight you have to carry enough fuel to your destination, which is across the atlantic plus enough fuel to your alternative safety reserve airport, plus another 30 minutes beyond that. So they had a fair amount of fuel on board that plane and they obviously have to burn a lot off. I think, mary, that is the plane so im assuming the plane has landed. Is that the plane, producers . Im sorry, that is the plane. It looks like its landing gear is down, mary. Looks like it to me anyway. Very good. Very good. It must have just been a problem with the light or the door and that is a very happy result and happy ending. We believe this is the plane. Were trying to triply confirm it. Chad youve been tracking the plane. Do you think thats the plane . I do carol, because its stopped moving on our flight aware radar, and that appears to be on the ground. Look at the plane, a very large jumbo jet that was carrying a lot of fuel. It flew low to the ground for a long time. Theres more drag closer to the ground, that drag burns off more fuel and there you go, theres the happy situation for the pilots and the passenger there is. You can see the emergency vehicles there. Thats another clue that that is indeed the plane. Like you said mary like every precaution had to be taken, its not like you can pop out the door and see if the landing gear can come down. I always say theres no rearview mirrors in the cockpit. So were glad this ended happily. Thank goodness im really happy. Thanks to mary and to you, chad ill be right back. If youre taking multiple medications does your mouth often feel dry . A dry mouth can be a side effect of many medications. But it can also lead to tooth decay and bad breath. Thats why theres biotene available as an oral rinse toothpaste, spray or gel. Biotene can provide soothing relief and it helps keep your mouth healthy too. Remember, while your medication is doing you good, a dry mouth isnt. Biotene, for people who suffer from a dry mouth. Back to our breaking news and this ended happily. So glad about that. This is a Virgin Atlantic plane that was circling the Gatwick Airport in london for hours and hours burning off fuel because they thought they had a problem with the landing gear. Youre taking a closeup look at the landing gear apparently most of it came down. We can see one wheel didnt come out there, right . Is that right . Thats what it looks like. The plane landed on i guess three sets of wheels but as you can see it landed safely. Emergency vehicles were surrounding the plane. Theyre now gone and we assume passengers are still on board the plane. We have not seen them get off. Theyll be getting off shortly but that Virgin Atlantic plane circling Gatwick Airport lands safely. Everybodys okay. In other news this morning, just one week after two new york city Police Officers were killed while sitting in their patrol car, police have been shot at in at least two different cities. On sunday morning, someone opened fire on two sheriffs deputies near tampa, florida. Police say they were doing Traffic Enforcement in a Church Parking lot when they heard three shots fired. Nobody hurt but a reward is being offered for information leading to an arrest. That same day across the country, another shooting, this time in los angeles. Authorities searching for someone who they say fired shots at two Police Officers. For the latest on this lets those los angeles and cnns sara sidner. Good morning. Reporter good morning, carol, the scene is still here. Theyve cordoned off about six six so the manhunt has been stopped at this point in time. Two officers would say they were simply going on a call and that there was an unprovoked shooting and it was towards their particular vehicle, they were a black and white, in uniform, they saw the muzzle go off of a gun and the bullets were coming towards them. One officer according to the lapd was able to shoot back. They did apprehend one suspect but there is still another suspect that they have been looking for. The scene here is going to be coming down in about 20 minutes or so but this is one of the situations that the officers say was completely unprovoked. Listen to what a captain told us a bit earlier. This was completely unprovoked attack on a police officer. We are very fortunate that both of them are not injured. We are confident that we will be locating and arresting this individual. We have reached out to the community through our notification system and request that for them to be aware that we are looking for a suspect who is wanted for an attempted murder on two los angeles Police Officers that they need to secure their residence, if they have pets to bring them indoors and if they have any suspicious activity or complaints to immediately call 911. That was campaign lillian coranza. They have not interviewed the fors yet. They are still looking at the car to see whether or not it was actually hit by bullets. I do want to mention this. You know this department is very aware of protests that are happening and i asked if this is unusual here in l. A. And they said yes, its unusual that its unprovoked. They werent trying to arrest the two suspects they werent on a call that involved these two suspects it was just random and the officers of course were not ready for it and were not expecting anything when it happened. And they are on alert trying to deal with some of this. But they dont believe this has anything to do with the protest. Though they say they have seen and are aware of what happened in new york to the two officers who were killed there and certainly the officers are concerned about any further violence towards them. So they told you that these the shootings whoever shot at these officers werent because of the protests going on across the country . Right. They dont believe that has anything to do with the protests though in speaking to one of the detectives she said look, we know there is a tiny tiny, tiny minority of people who are so angry with police that they want to hurt them. But they dont necessarily believe that these two had anything to do with the protests that had been happening. There was a big protest here on saturday. Carol . Sara sidner reporting live from los angeles. Many thanks i appreciate it. Thank you for joining me today. Im carol costello. this hour with berman and michaela starts now. Happening now, the search zone expanding for airasia flight 8501. The latest clues and mysteries about how this jetliner went missing. Armed and dangerous. A suspect on the loose after shots are fired at two los angeles Police Officers. And dramatic rescue. All passengers hundreds of them evacuated after a ferry catches fire. The heat so bad it was melting shoes. Right now, the captain still on board that vessel. Hello, everyone im john berman. Im michaela pereira. Those stories ahead at this hour. Just in we have good news to report about a Virgin Atlantic flight that had been circling