Giuliani and his work. So lets get right to cnns senior justice correspondent evan perez breaking this for us right now. You have new details from the Justice Departments Southern District of new york, sdny. The office that prosecuted michael cohen. Remind everyone. What are you learning . Reporter this is an investigation that goes far longer and back further than we realized, and also that its much broader than we initially thought. One of the things were getting a picture of, a better picture of is this involves not only giulianis financial entanglements with allegedly corrupt ukrainian figures, but also counterintelligence angle is there to this and the idea that perhaps Rudy Giuliani and be some of his business dealings were part of essentially an influence operation, a foreign influence operation with a target being the trump white house. Now, theres a lot here to unpack, and we all know about the two charges, the charges that were filed last week against some of Rudy Giulianis associates, including two of them based in florida. Theyre still here in prison, or in veil here in alexandria and we expect them to appear in court here on thursday. That was the first indication there was a broader investigation looking at whether financial that there was finances from overseas coming in to the United States to try to influence elections, and Rudy Giulianis part of this, obviously, its the fact he is the president s personal attorney and influence with the president and the white house and policy here in the United States. Okay. A couple followup questions. You said first of all, evan, this investigation goes back. Do we know how far back it goes . Reporter it goes back several months. Kenneth mccown a lawyer in new york who talked to our sara murray who says the fbi acts came to him in february or march and wanted to ask questions, not only about these two men igor fruman and lev parnas, two of the guys indicted last week, but also about their ties to Rudy Giuliani. They were interested in whether there were any counterintelligence concerns that arose from those ties, those business dealings. So thats the first indication we have that prosecutors in new york have been digging into this much longer than we all realized. Wow. Then who in new york, who at sdny is investigating it . Reporter we know not only are these counterintelligence agents and counterintelligence people working on it we know the people who do public Corruption Cases in new york have been at the center essentially running this case. Theyre involved with the parnas and fruman case we now know is public and that these are the same guys that were in charge of the case against michael cohen. The president s former personal attorney. You see now that not only is the current, the president s current personal attorney involved in this case obviously, but these are the same people who did the mikan cohen case and we all know how that turned out. Where is he . Thats right. Reporter in prison. In prison. Evan perez, thank you very much. Lets get smart analysis with these brilliant ladies, former fbi special agent and now cnn legal anatural l anatural sift gangel back with us today. And starting with you just with your legal hat on, the fact that this investigation is focusing on whether this foreign influence, was trying to take advantage of giulianis business ties and perhaps influence things over here, how big is that . Thats very big. Because it means that whether or not Rudy Giuliani may have committed a crime, the fbi believes that he may pose a National Security threat to the United States. He may pose a National Security threat to the United States, because a counterintelligence investigation is not predicated on a violation of federal law. Its predicated on whether someone might be wittingly or unwittingly furthering interests of a foreign power whether a foreign official, a foreign entity. Yeah. You know. And by the way i want to make clear this is not mutually exclusive with a criminal investigation. These can happen on parallel tracks just going at different goals. Okay. And would this explain why weve been reporting the last 24 hours giulianis friends are like, hey you may want to hire a criminal attorney . Would that all be tied into this . Yes. You want the criminal attorney to basically tell giuliani to stop talking. Yes. And not keep sabotaging hillhill himself. The counterintelligence piece may not involve a violation of the law. It can, for example, hes doing it wittingly that can be a violation of the registration act. The fact evan mentioned that fbi act the were questions people about this as far back as february or march when a counterintelligence investigation last its longer than six months that means it is the highest level of investigation. In other words, it poses the most serious threat otherwise it would be shut down after six months. With all this swirling, my question to you, and this first, with all this swirls, friends saying to Rudy Giuliani get a criminal attorney, this is how the president still speaks. Dploei i glowingly about his friend Rudy Giuliani. Rudy was a great prosecutor, best mayor of the city of new york far as i can see. Rudy was seeking out corruption and theres nothing wrong with seeking out corruption. And registered foreign lobbyists . I dont know. Thats up to him. That you excuse me. No. You have to ask rude e those questions. Dont ask me, but rudy was one of many people incensed at its corruption that took place during that election. Pure corruption. My question to you is, do you think the loyalty will last . So what do we know about trump world . Loyalty tends to be a oneway street. And just the other day he was saying that he didnt know if rudy was even his lawyer. So i i think now that this news has broken, lets wait and see. Were going to see the president later this afternoon. Just for political context after the fallout of this, theres a new gallup poll that came out today that showed that let me gelt the numbers right that 52 of americans support impeaching and removing trump from office. Yes, democrats were 89 . Republicans were only 6 , but heres the critical number. 55 of independents supported this. Republicans need those independents. Donald trump needs those independents. That was bad news this morning, and when you hear this kind of news about an investigation, thats more bad news. Also youre hearing more from republicans who had this meeting, what, yesterday, last evening. Right. So last night we just found out there was a meeting by the gop leadership in the house. It was a whip meeting but they asked the defense secretary, mark esper, to come and address the group. And it quickly turned into what was described as tense, hostile questioning about what the policy was on syria and turkey, and they werent very happy with the answers, i was told. Member after member came up and one of them said, this is the worst Foreign Policy decision of my lifetime. Wow. To, this is a republican member to the republican secretary of defense. So they have another problem here with the Foreign Policy on this. Theyre very upset about it. So back over to you. What happens now that, obviously house democrats, we heard nancy pelosi say shes holding off on any full vote. Theyre trying to get all their ducks in order, subpoenas, documents, et cetera. Certain people, a la Rudy Giuliani and a la mike pence are defying those subpoenas. For people watching at home what is congress option if they say no over and over . Well, first i would say they are getting a lot of people in to talk to them. So, you know, they are going to get evidence and what were seeing is that not only has the whistleblower complaint been corroborated its expanded. You know . And showing a picture, a longterm picture of career officials thwarted in doing their jobs and a shadow Foreign Policy acting actually against what they believe was in the best interests of the United States. Now you have giuliani in this counterintelligence investigation and the fbi also thought it might be against the interests of the United States. Even if a few of these people decide not to testify, that is still a mosaic. A prima facie case. Yes. And that their refusal to kplin itself become ps an impeachable act in the form of obstructing a congressional inquiry, which as you know was an article of impeachment for nixon. Got it. Thank you both. More breaking news ahead. The chaos, the bipartisan backlash is growing as President Trump continues to slam americas kurdish allies in syria. President trump saying their pain has nothing to do with him. Youre watching cnn. Im brooke baldwin. Im brooke baldwin. Well be right back. There. They give uslent customer service, every time. Our 18 year old was in an accident. Usaa took care of her car rental, and getting her car towed. All i had to take care of was making sure that my daughter was ok. If i met another veteran, and they were with another insurance company, i would tell them, you need to join usaa because they have better rates, and better service. Were the gomez family. Were the rivera family. Were the kirby family, and we are usaa members for life. Get your Auto Insurance quote today. My body is truly powerful. I have the power to lower my blood sugar and a1c. Because i can still make my own insulin. And trulicity activates my body to release it like its supposed to. 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That has nothing to do with us. Moments ago President Trump asked if he was surprised by turkish president erdogans decision to move forward on assault on that region. This is what he said. It didnt surprise me at all. Theyve been warring for many years. Its unnatural for us but sort of natural for them. They fight. And they fight long and they fight hard, and theyve been tighting syria for a long time and on the border, thats the border with syria and i say why are we protecting syrias land . Assad is not a friend of ours. Why are we protecting their land . And syria also has a relationship with the kurds, who by the way are no angels. Okay . Syria doesnt want turk toy take its land. I can understand that, but what does that have to do with the United States of america . Just a reminder that this turkish offensive began after President Trump surprised his own military when he ordered the withdrawal of u. S. Troops effectively clearing the wait for a turkish assault on Kurdish Forces there. Denying that the Turkish Military just missed those stationed there and the Vice President pence will head there to talk with turkish authorities about stopping the assault. And ci us, a cnn military analyst and barbara starr, listening to President Trump, asked about this at some points today saying our soldiers, right, our american soldiers are not in harms way. Is that true . No, its not. Weve talked to several military officials. The actual reality on the ground, the president did withdraw a small smub all numbef troops from the very northern most outpost in syria. They have pulled back from that situation. As we talk today there is a significant number of u. S. Troops still in syria and they consolidated many of them at one position in Northern Syria. They will begin trying to get them out of there. Their equipment, and their weapons and goin fly them out over the next several days. Initial flights have already gone. But these folks, these military people in Northern Syria still are very much in harms way. Its a delicate point say think, but you will find that every senior official here in the pentagon will tell you, their safety right now is priority number one in the defense department. Until they are all out, Everything Else takes a second seat. Brooke . Got it. Colonel, to you President Trump added that this is now about two countries fighting over land. The context of the quote, this has nothing to do with us. How do you see it . Brooke, i see it has everything to do with us. First of all, we were there not because of the kurdish and turkish fight. We were there because of isis, but as part of this we had the allies in the form of the kurds that helped us defeat isis to the extent weve done so, and its really a misreading of history to say that this is something that has nothing to do with us. We are part of this whole mix, because we there to defeat isis. We are a part of this mix because we have interests in the middle east and to leave there is a absolutely a cardinal mistake to make at this particular point in time. Republican senator Lindsey Graham had a lot to say on twitter this afternoon. Let me read, barbara, one of his tweets. However, i firmly believe if President Trump continues to make such statements this will be a disaster worse than president obamas decision to leave iraq. Do you think that that is as overstatement . Might he spoton . Well, people will tell you, and especially President Trump will tell you, that Lindsey Graham is an advocate, a strong advocate for use of military force and deployment of u. S. Troops overseas. Thats pretty much facts in evidence. I think the real issue right now that has people puzzled by the president saying this, other than his personal opinion perhaps, is, is there not a strategic reason to keep a u. S. Presence across the middle east to fight isis . To prevent a resurgence of isis . That is actually what u. S. Troops were doing in syria. They had no involvement in the kurdish turkish fight. They were there to try and continue the effort to defeat isis. The only question in terms of that situation now may well be how fast isis comes back. You have an awful lot of shady characters moving around in syria right now. Isis, al qaeda, Turkish Forces are on the move. Russian forces are on the move. Syrian forces are on the move. It remains very dangerous and isis sees that and may be able very quickly to exploit it. Colonel, do you agree and how quickly might they exploit it . Oh, i absolutely agree with what barbara just said. This is the proverbial vacuum isis is looking for. As far as how quickly theyll be able to do it, brooke, they can do it basically within days if not weeks. Theyll go incrementally to an extent, but if they can find a way to have a spectacular attack, isis will do so. Mount a spectacular attack against our forces, syrian or Turkish Forces do that and go beyond syria to do what theyve done in the past and its a very dangerous situation weve unleashed here. Of course, theres the point about when speaking about russia filling the vacuum in Northern Syria left byry drzal of u. S. Forces thats when President Trump said, i say welcome it. Thank you, barbara and colonel leighton, and before we get to break i want to clarify something cnn reported earlier on a different program. We quoted President Trump as saying its not our problem when referring to turkeys incursion into syria. That quote came from the Pool Reporter the lone press representative when the president spoke in the oval office this morning, but when the tape released later we learned the president actually said they have a problem at the border. Its not our border. He did not say, not our problem. We wanted to be clear to point that out. 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If anyone american is killed anywhere because of a resurgent isis it will fall on Trump Administration like it did obama. I blame terrorists on erdogan but ablame President Trump for not fixing it. Blameful allowing turkey to come back and slaughter. Deserves blame needs to fix it. This is what President Trump says in return. Lindsey graham would like to stay in the middle east for the next thousand years with thousand us of soldiers and fighting other peoples wars. I want to get out of the middle east. Senator Maggie Hassan serves on that Homeland Security committee and just returneds from visiting afghanistan, pakistan and india. Senator hasan, thank you so much for being with me, and we just played that backtoback, senator graham and then the president exchanging jabs over whats happening in Northern Syria. Who do you agree with . And do you think senator graham is right that trump would have blood on his hands . Brooke, thank you for having me on and, yes, i did just get back from afghanistan where i was able to get on the ground information from our military and our diplomatic corps about the work were doing with afghanistan to counterterrorism. We are seeing a resurgence of isis in afghanistan, and i am very concerned and troubled by the president s decision, really, on a whim, to have u. S. Forces exit Northern Syria, opening it up, giving a green light to erdogan and turkey to come in and invade, and now we are getting reports that isis fighters who were being detained by the kurds are on the loose. This poses a real threat to our homeland. Our first job as government is to keep our citizens safe, and we have to be able to partner with allies wherever we need to do Counter Terrorism and keep our homeland safe. The president of the United States on a whim gave turkey the green light, and now the white house has almost no leverage. In fact, no leverage to convince erdogan to change course and withdraw. This is really, really serious, and it poses a real throat our nationour threat to our National Security. The president today, senator, says this has nothing to do with us and just left me wondering if he believes that to be true, then why send, why are secretary pompeo and Vice President pence going to turkey to meet with erdogan . I cant speak to the president s state of mind. Only he knows what influences him, but if he believes that the fight we are making against isis has nothing to do with us, he is woefully misinformed or just living in another world, and to your point, he just did send the Vice President , and the secretary of state, to turkey. He certainly, in doing that, must understand that their National Security implications, there are those for us and, again, this is the president s responsibility to try now to fix, because what he did, acting on impulse, acting on whim, is undoing decades of american Foreign Policy and some progress. When i was in afghanistan first of all i just have to say the men and women of the United States military are doing their very best with professionalism and skill and commitment and dedication to help the Afghanistan Forces become selfsufficient and fight this fight in afghanistan on their own. In pakistan, we went to tell the pakistani leaders to end their support of taliban, and to have the president really ignore the realities on the ground there, its very, very troubling. What about we talked a lot about russia. Youve talked a lot about russia. Right . What theyve done in terms of interfering with the 2016 president ial election, why the president never seems to criticize Vladimir Putin. So when talking today about russia filling the vacuum in Northern Syria left by the withdrawal of u. S. Forces, this is what the president said. He said, i say welcome to it. Ws welcome to it senator. Why does the president always seem to side with putin . That is a very good question, and all i know is that the president of the United States took Vladimir Putins words over our Intelligence Community when it came to the first reports that we were dealing with about interference in the 2016 elections. He seems to give Vladimir Putin the benefit of the doubt time and time again. You know, we had won the cold war against russia, and now we see an american president cozying up to russia and undoing so much of the work weve done. Nobody should think that the United States will be safer if russia is in control of syria. Senator Maggie Hassan, thank you so much for your insight and also, of course, your words about our men and women in military who you visited in afghanistan. Thank you so much. Thank you. We have more breaking news. Cnn is reporting the federal investigation involving Rudy Giuliani also involves a counterintelligence probe. Stand by for new details. And joe biden is burning through cash, spending more than he raised last quarter and he just responded to those concerns. Well be right back. Oh, wow. You two are going to have such a great trip. Thanks to you, we will. This is why voya helps reach todays goals. All while helping you to and through retirement. Can you help with these . Were more of the plan, invest and protect kind of help. Voya. Helping you to and through retirement. You may be learning about, medicare and supplemental insurance. Medicare is great, but it doesnt cover everything. Only about 80 of your part b medicare costs. 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Senator Elizabeth Warren found herself in New Territory last night during the cnn New York Times debate. 12 candidates standing on that stage, but a newly minted front runner this massachusetts senator who really came under attack after attack from her democratic rivals. Watch. Just to clarify, Vice President , who are you saying is being vague . The senator is being vague on the issue of, actually both vague on the issue of the the medicare for all. Join me in saying the twitter account should be shut down. No . Lets figure out why is it we have had laws on the book. Heard it tonight. A yes or no question that didnt get a yes or no answer. This is why people here in the midwest are so frustrated with washington in general and capitol hill in particular. Your signature, senator, is to have a plan for everything. Except this. I appreciate elizabeths work but, again, the difference between a plan and a pipe dream is something that you can actually get done. Todd graham is a debate director at Southern Illinois university in carbondale and todd good to see you again. I mean, to me this was one of the most noteworthy parts of the night. Right . That incoming, a huge target on her back. Curious. Did you think those attacks were successful chipping away at senator warren xpexposing her y have value ferabilities . I do. It wasnt the attack but the answer senator warren gave. One area yeah. One area i think that her intellect works against her. Senator warren is smart. Everyone knows shes well researched and wellread and does have a plan for most things. For her on a debate stage it becomes even more obvious when she simply is not answering the question. Shes too smart. She understands the question. Shes just not answering it. Thats the problem. Hmm. What about cory booker . Senator booker . Gone from questioning joe bidens fitness to now this over the top defense. This is cory booker the morning after the september 12th debate. Theres a lot of moments where a number of us were looking on the stage when he tends to go on sometimes and at one point talking about people listening to record players, i dont remember the last time i saw a record player theyre back in, you know. Vinyl is hot. Just let you know. Maybe hes cooler than i am but definitely moments you listen to joe biden and you just wonder. Hmm. You just wonder. That was then. Now let me play this for you. Senator booker last night after joe biden was asked about his son hunter. We are literally using Donald Trumps lies and the second issue we cover on the stage is elevating a lie and attacking a statesman. So offensive. He should not have to defend himself and the om person sitting at home was donald trump seeing were distracting and selling out from his office. Whats cory bookers strategy there . Todd . Strategy, finally understood hes probably not going to win the election, just the statistics are against him. The strategy was to not make anyone mad but particularly not make any people mad who have a favorite already, biden or anyone else. I liked, i teach class and debaters to have a conversational quality. You want it organized, a debate, want to be on point but want it to seem like a conversational. I felt senator booker had that conversational quality last night and it made him appealing. Todd graham. Thank you very much. Talk again im sure after the next debate. Moments from now President Trump comes facetoface with House Speaker nancy pelosi as this impeachment inquiry speeds up. What he wants to say to her. Plus, acting chief of staff mick mulvaney. Whats his role in the ukraine scandal . New details proving a shadow operation has been going on for a while. Our 18yearold was in an accident. When i called usaa, it was that voice asking me, is your daughter ok . Thats where i felt relief. Were the rivera family and we plan to be with usaa for life. 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In pennsylvania, follows the fate described as moderate pro western sunni islam. The Washington Post reporter covers the white house cowrote this story about giuliani and this cleric and a cnn political analyst. Josh, think cleric is described as giuliani quote unquote hobby horse . Explain that for us. So president erdogan of turkey wanted this claeric ext extradited. Rudy giuliani went to the white house to ask the president to extra diet the clareic. Rudy giuliani was pushing to release of a gold trader who violated sanctions, allegedly, and that also troubled white house officials who wondered why Rudy Giuliani was so regularly pushing interest of president erdogan of turkey or things he would want to President Trump. When he was going to President Trump and pressing him on this cleric, you know, having, wanting him to turn him over to turkey, what erdogan wants, how was trump responding . The president was amenable to the idea. We talked to a number of officials saying the president considered erdogan to be a friend and wanting to give erdogan what he wanted, but others in the white house at the time who said that he should not do it. It could violate the legal process, create political problems for him that a cleric would most certainly be endangered if not killed in turkey. Fears in the white house about him doing it and the president was eventually talked out of it. Giuliani also told you he cant talk about conversations surrounding all of this because of Attorney Client privilege, but he wasnt trumps attorney at the tile. What privilege would he be referring to . He would not say who his client was or why he was doing it. Apprecia previously he seltds he represented a turkish trader lobbying for him in the oval office. Why it troubled folks in the white house, as i said. Its a desire erdogan wanted and trader, erdogan wanted him as well. Interests aligning on two major issues with what erdogan wants. Josh, thank you very much. Now this the picture of the day. Stop what youre doing and look at the tv or your phone, whatever it is. However youre watching. North Koreas Kim Jongun supporting a furlined coat riding 0en a decorated white horse on a snowcovered mountain considered sacred to many north koreans. North korea claims that kim personally rode this horse up this 9,000 foot Tall Mountain propaganda much . Certainly staged. Also evokes another strong man on horseback, of course who could forget this . Russias Vladimir Putin back in 2009 . Silly as it all looks it could mean kim is ready to make a big announcement amid souring diplomacy with the United States. Gordon chang, author of showdown and columnist for the daily beast. Gordon chang, whats going on . I feel sorry for the horse. Ah. We dont know exactly whats going on, but we do know that Something Big will occur because in the past not just with kim jongun, but with his father and grandfather, they prestaged something was going to happen. Whoa. Whats the Something Big . It could be walking away from new talks with the United States, toor could be directed towards south korea. An election coming up. Kim wants to help the south korean president. Who knows what its going on here. We know there is something in the works and probably are not going to like it. Why is this a sacred place where hes riding said horse . The plate humanity was supposed to have the korean na supposed to start. Certainly where his dad was born and a legitimacy thing. Born on this mountain. Like Mount Olympus only for the koreans. Okay. Youre saying because we know north koreans broke off talks with the u. S. Earlier in sweden this month. The u. S. Position didnt meet expectations. Do you think they will ever give up their Nuclear Weapons . They dont want to, of course. But i think that the United States, if it were to use its economic leverage, could do this without the use of force, even without the threat of use of force, but wed have to enforce sanctions against the russians, chinese and South Koreans and we havent shown the will to do that. Now, President Trump was actually, had an effective sanctions enforcement policy through the middle of may of last year and gave it up to be generous to kim and kim hasnt reciprocated. American policy is in disarray because its just not working. Kim gets everything he wants. Were getting nothing. Gordon chang, who feels sorry for the horse. Thank you. I needed the laugh. Thank you very much, gordon chang. More on breaking news. Cnn reports that the federal investigation involving Rudy Giuliani also involves a counterintelligence probe, which we were told shows giuliani is being investigated as a potential National Security risk. Stand by for this big development. 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We begin with breaking details how long and how much federal investigators have been looking into the president s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani. This would be the second personal attorney of Donald Trumps to be under federal investigation for those of you keeping count. The same Justice Department branch that prosecuted trumps first attorney michael cohen, whos now looking into Rudy Giuliani. The Southern District of new york. They are investigating the possibility that giuliani was used in whats being called an influence operation on the president. So with me now, cnn crime and justice reporter Shimon Prokupecz and guy smith special adviser to president clinton during his impeachment and knows a thing or two about this. Good to have you on. Starting w counterintelligence probe. Whats going on . Its the fbi here in new york and other agents certainly in other jurisdictions a part of this group of agents that are looking into this influence operation, essentially, by the ukrainians, perhaps others involved in this, of trying to influence policy here in the u. S. All of this right now is centering around the two ukrainians, the two associates of Rudy Giuliani and what weve learned is from an attorney who has represented ukrainians, highlevel ukrainians in the past told sara murray agents came to him as early as february or march of this year asking questions about these two associates, the work they were doing, about Rudy Giuliani. This tells us this is a much larger investigation. I want to remind folks that this is a lot of what we saw during the mueller