Polls. Check this out with me. Trump is down five points to clinton in a fourway race. Donald trump takes more hits on what has been a very, very bad week for him. The controversies continue to pileup over his taxes, his foundation, the clintons their marriage, the fidelity issues hes questioning and also a beauty queen. Folks, we are five weeks away to this president ial election and we are expecting kaine to seize on trumps recent follies, echoing Hillary Clintons take on Donald Trumps refusal to release his taxes. Heres my question, what kind of genius uses a billion dollars in a single year . On the other side, pence will have some trump cleanup and no doubt amplify trumps attacks on clintons political scandals. You can bet he will also argue as an insider kaine wont change washington, a message donald trump is putting right back at the forefront. While my opponent focuses on small petty things, we are discussing the vital issues facing our country and our people. She will do everything she can to distract from the issues and her enormous corruption and criminal conduct. A campaign of distraction funded by wall street investors. Lets begin with Sunlen Serfaty just outside the debate hall. Sunlen, beginning with how are each of the candidates preparing ahead of the big debate . Brooke, i think when both candidates take the stage it will be very clear that they are very well prepared. By all accounts both candidates have approached their debate prep in a very serious, consistent and disciplined way. Theyve both been running through question and answers with aides for months and the last few weeks, certainly at a higher intensity. And both have had these fullfledged mock debate sod theyre getting a sense of how tonights may go. On the spot tonight will be mike pence after Donald Trumps no good very bad week. Certainly he will be facing a lot of questions and will be on the defense about his own running mate, now, pence has signalled the direction that he would like the debate to go in tonight. He has said he is readying an attack obtains record but while the center of the political universe feels like its here in longwood, there is a lot of action away from farmville in Longwood University thats going on today. You have nearly the full contingent of highprofile clinton surrogates on the campaign trail. Were talking bill clinton, michelle obama, bernie sanders, elizabeth warren. And Hillary Clinton out there this morning campaigning hers f herself. She held a town hall in pennsylvania where there was a very poignant moment with a 15yearold voter. Heres that exchange. At my school, body image is a really big issue for girls my age. I see with my own eyes donald trump does when he talks about women and how they look. As the first female president , how would you undo that damage and help girls understand they are so much more than what they look like . Youre right. My opponent has just taken this concern to a new level. Think about it my opponent insulted Miss Universe. [ laughter ] how do you get more acclaimed than that . But it wasnt good enough. So we cant take this seriously anymore. We need to laugh at it, we need to refute it, we need to ignore it and stand up to it and especially the bullying. There are too many young women online who are being bullied about how they look and being shamed and mistreated. That moment, that questionandanswer falls right in line with the line of attack that the Clinton Campaign has been pushing against donald trump. I bet no time at all this will be spliced up and appear in a political ad by team clinton. Sunlen, thank you so much. I want to bring board off of that last comment. I have Scottie Nell Hughes with me, she supports donald trump. Commentator sally kohn who backs Hillary Clinton and jackie kucinich, Washington Bureau chief for the daily beast and my friend and senior Political Correspondent brianna keilar. The ladies panel. Love it. Scottie, let me begin with you. Coming off of the question from the 15yearold on body issues. This isnt going away. I realize it was Hillary Clinton being asked about it but everything that happened with the Miss Universe, womans body issues and a grown man discussing at 3 00 a. M. On twitter, how does he handle this . With a classy approach and not only ignore it but move on. This shows Hillary Clinton doesnt want to talk about policy. The fact she just released this ad not talking about her policies on how shes going to help these women rather going negative against the words mr. Trump has said in the past and taking them out of context. I dont think this means she doesnt want to talk about policy. Shes being asked about a body image question. But then she releases this ad. We have yet to hear how shes going to help the 12 of women that only 12 feel comfortable theyve saved enough for retirement. Obamacare that is failing right now and the majority of excha e exchanges. Sally, has she addressed. It she would rather talk about body image. Scottie, i love you but even though you support mr. Trump you cant do his thing where you repeat something enough it becomes true. Its not true. You must be confused because donald trump is the one who has no policy solutions when pressed for details. He lacks them over and over. Hillary clinton has policy details. Shes spelled them out in speeches. She just gave a speech on economics. She put them out in a book. Theyre all over her web site. She actually has plans. You may not like the plans but say that. But to say she doesnt have them, number one, and, number two, donald trump which boggles the mind has kept this issue at the forefront for the last week, Hillary Clinton hes the one who attacked Miss Universe in the first place, belittled her, went in on her with her exercise session during the press, fat shamed her and he started the tweets, went on fox news and said she was the worst ever. I dont see Hillary Clinton fact check. Hillary clinton turned last weeks debate into a middle school drama by bringing up yes, youre right, Hillary Clinton did it all by herself. He has the right to defend himself. And by the way, just saying youre going to raise taxes on the wealthy is not the way to have a plan or solution. Okay from plans to polls i look and you and i think polls. I wonder why. Lets talk about the polls that we have in today. This is a new poll of likely voters showing clinton leading trump by five. Were a couple days out from the Town Hall Forum in st. Louis. Talk about the high stakes. There is a lot of pressure, theres so much more interest in these debates. Normally in a case like this i think its two candidates trying to prove theyre ready to step in at a moments notice. That may be part of it. But what i find so interesting about it is you have a lot of democrats who and republicans who would prefer tonights Vice President ial debate was the president ial debate. There are a lot of democrats who would be more comfortable with tim kaine than maybe Hillary Clinton and certainly a lot of republicans who would be more comfortable with mike pence as the nominee than donald trump. So i think above all its do no harm but i think these are two candidates who have a strong grasp of the issues and the policies. One of the struggles for mike pence is going to be picking and choosing where he agrees he clearly has disagreements with donald trump. Hes captain cleanup a lot and he sort of softens the things donald trump says, is able to gloss over them but i think theyre going to be some things where he feels like he can defend them more and maybe he feels in his all right indefensible and he has to figure out how hell do that. Its a tricky gig because you have to be up on your own policies and the folks at the top of the ticket that may not jibe with how you felt. Let me ask you, jackie. Theyve been throwing out toptiered surrogates today including bill clinton who was out, he made news for better or worse using the word crazy and obamacare in the same sentence. Here he was. But the people that are getting killed in this deal are Small Business and individuals who make just a little too much to get any of these subsidies. Why . Because theyre not organized, they dont have any Bargaining Power with Insurance Companies and theyre getting whacked. So youve got this crazy system where all of a sudden 25 million more people have health care and then the people are out there busting it sometimes 60 hours a week wind up with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half. Its the craziest thing in the world. First of all, is he wrong . And second of all will there be cleanup . This is why bill clinton is a blessing and a curse in his campaign. Hes bill clinton, hes going to say what he thinks and yet this isnt helpful. Hes not talking about his wife, hes talking about obamacare and thats not why hes there. Hes a huge draw, particularly for bluecollar workers which is why theyre sending him to eastern ohio so this is why he really connects with people but you take that with, you know, him maybe going off topic and hes going to talk about medicare next week. Hes supposed to be Hillary Clintons surrogate and this is what hes doing. Will voters associate hillary with obamacare . Oh, i think theres no doubt. And i think what youre hearing some of the surrogates say is we just heard Amy Klobuchar and she said ive always believed obamacare was a beginning, not an end. The issue to what we heard bill clinton say is there is some truth to that and some people are feeling that, but thats a side effect of jackie and i covered Health Care Reform on the hill from beginning to end. Yeah, you did. And what we remembered was at the beginning of it was were going tackle the cost and they bent the cost curve which means its increasing less fast, thats pretty bad. So its still an issue that people are feeling and clearly that is something that kind of needed to be pared but tackling the cost wasnt something that was politically palatable so its something that needs to be achieved. In that regard hes not wrong. How do you feel . Im glad hes the new surrogate with the trump campaign, thank you, bill clinton. With 15 of those Health Care Exchanges failing, thats why in 2010 republicans were able to come back is because of obamacare and how much we were hurting. You couldnt keep the doctors you were promised. This is a great thing. I hope mike pence capitalizes on this and lets talk about how the Affordable Health care act as hurt the middleclass and women. I dont think if its something that necessarily helps donald trump because you could have people who are liberal and say it didnt go far enough and thats why and i dont know if thats something that plays to Donald Trumps advantage as maybe like a bernie sanders. If she were up against bernie sanders. Im on obamacare, i can categorically say it is better than what i had before obamacare but it is not as good as what it could be and Hillary Clinton, fortunately, has a plan to make obamacare better by including a public option whereas donald trump, like the rest of the republican party, only wants to repeal it and has no plan for what he would do for the 20 Million People who would lose health insurance. Not true. And it goes to what were going to see in tonights debate which is tim kaine, who represents both a candidate in Hillary Clinton and in a party which is about moving the country forward. Its about embracing immigrants, its about embracing womens rights. Its about trying to provide opportunity and health care for all versus mike pence who actually i hope people take away from tonight where they may not know where donald trump stands on issues, we very much know where mike pence stands on issues. He stands for backwards policy on gay rights, on womens rights, on immigration across the board and i hope people are paying attention because that should give them a sense of who donald trump is that he picked this man as his running mate. We saw the pictures, tim kaine formerly on the Richmond City council, this is how he started up to governor then senator, pictures of him arriving here at Longwood University. Ladies, thank you so much. Appreciate. It thank you. A quick reminder, cnns full coverage of tonights debate starts at 4 00 eastern leading up to the main event. Then its mike pence and tim kaine debating tonight at 9 00 eastern. Please watch live here on cnn. Just ahead, you know its 2016 when a republican senator is now backing off calling her nominee a roll model for kids. You will see the tape. Plus, donald trump claims there is a race riot in america monthly. Is that true . Lets discuss. 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Were talking politics this evening ahead of the big debate at Longwood University. Let me tell you this, donald trump defending revelations about his possible tax avoidance touting it as proof of his business savvy. In pueblo, colorado, trump confronted the issue, addressing it head on and boasting about it. Here he was. I have legally used the tax laws to my benefit. And to the benefit of my company. My investors and my employees. Honestly, i have brilliantly used those laws. With me now, Sara Huckabee sanders who is a senior trump advisor. Nice to see you again. Great to be here. Welcome to beautiful farmville, virginia. With the way mr. Trump addressed this last night saying the way he used the tax laws, is that him do you see that as him essentially admitting he didnt pay the taxes for a number of years . I think its him saying i followed the letter of the law which is what we would expect for any businessman and any american to do is to follow the law that was given. I dont understand why the Clinton Campaign would make this an issue because in this race theyre the only ones that have helped write or pass any legislation. If theyre upset with anybody, they should be upset with themselves. Hillary clinton is the only one that ever played a role in passing or writing law, not donald trump. All he did was follow a law that was written. In following the law that was written, would you agree with the Rudy Giulianis and Chris Christies of the world who would call it genius . I do. Maybe im wrong but im sure when your accountant gave you taxes you didnt say you know what . I dont think youve asked me to pay enough, let me add more. Nobody does that rk, they pay w theyre asked to pay, what theyre required to pay under the law and i dont know why we would expect different rules for donald trump than any other business person in the country. Okay, what about the issue also of regular folks who do pay their share thinking how the heck do you lose a billion dollars . That was 1995 a billion dollars, that could be a hundred billion dollars today. Thats a lot of money. What does that say to his business acumen . I think if you look at it in the full context of his life, he was able to go through were looking at one year. You look at he was able to fight through the recession, lose that money and come back and create thousands of jobs. The only job Hillary Clintons ever created were government jobs. Those arent real jobs. Thats me and you paying more taxes to do that. One billion dollar loss in one year. And i think one of the reasons that people like donald trump is because hes a fighter. He got knocked down and he came back. He built a massive fortune not once but twice. Thats the american dream. Thats what most people want. They want to be able to build Something Like that. Hes done it not one time but two times and i think thats a Great Success record and something he should be talking about. Let me ask you this moving off of that as a woman. We were talking in the last segment with my panel about this 15yearold young woman who asked Hillary Clinton the question about body issues and the wake of what donald trump did and said and tweeted about the Miss Universe bit last week, body shaming, weight issues, the videos of the gym from years ago. I mean what does he need to say to put this to bed because shes still talking about it. I think one of the biggest issues that women care about im a mom, a working mother. , i think the most offensive thing anyone has said is Hillary Clinton. Isnt it about donald trump whos talking temperament . When you have somebody tweeting about Miss Universe and body issues and shaming her, is that the kind of president you want . Again i think you can argue the back and forth between these two candidates all day long. Everybody wants to make donald trump like hes the most offensive person. Im not. The most offensive comment that has been made to date was by Hillary Clinton when she called millions of americans deplorable ander redeemable only to follow that up with calling Bernie Sanderss supporters losers that live in their parents basements. But if you were offended by that and i dont disagree wouldnt you also be offended by trumps weight comments about a woman . Look, again, im not saying that those are necessarily the best way to approach something just yes or no, sarah, yes or no. Thats probably not my choice of words, no. Okay, okay. Looking ahead to tonight mike pence and tim kaine, we know theyre doing their home work. Its tricky, the veep on the ticket, you have to know where you stand and you have to know where Hillary Clinton or donald trump stands. Tell me something about mike pence that we should know about or that youre excited about when he really steps out on a world stage. I think mike pence is one of the most honorable men in politics. He may actually be too nice for this business. Hes one of the purest, most bestharded people and the American People are going to get a chance to see that firsthand when he steps on the big stage tonight. Hes passionate about people, hes a good person and i hope they can see that come through. Sarah, good to see you. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Coming up from farmville, it was a question asked in last nights New Hampshire senate debate. Would you point to donald trump as a role model for kids . Why a republican freshman senator who is facing a tough reelection fight is saying she misspoke while answering that question. Well show you the tape. Im brooke baldwin. Youre watching cnns special live coverage. You both have a perfect driving record. Until one of you clips a food truck. Then your rates go through the roof. Perfect. 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Thats what they are. Theyre race riots and its happening more and more. Trump went on to list a number of cities where protests have erupted in response to Fatal Police Shootings of africanamericans. Here with me, simone sanders, cnn political commentator and former press secretary for bernie sanders, she now supports Hillary Clinton. Also with us, andre bauer, cnn political commentator and former South CarolinaLieutenant Governor who supports donald trump. And mark preston, cnn politics executive editor. Great to have you with me, i wanted to begin, simone, with you on the race riots monthly statement that trump made last night. Fair assessment . No, i think its a gross and overreaching generalization. Why . It just goes to show donald trump is out of touch. These arent race riots that are happening. In the places that donald trump mentioned, these are unarmed black men who have been essentially gunned down, executed, modern day lynching some people would say, by Police Officers in these communities, we have to have real conversations about the state of Race Relations here in america, the disproportionality that exists in our criminal Justice System and Donald Trumps comments last night goes to show he doesnt get it and doesnt understand. Thats inflammatory language. Its dog whistle politics. Would you say, andre, as a trump supporter, hes overstating . We saw the pictures in charlotte and what happened in tulsa and beyond but is that overstating . I dont believe so. We have a real problem in this country, theres no question. Would i frame the conversation differently . Yeah, but im not where he is. But hes running for president. Im glad hes engaging in the conversation because, quite frankly, nobodys talked about chicago for the last four, eight years and we keep seeing it happen and nobody has done anything to address fixing it so you can call him a race baiter or anything else if you want to but by god when is somebody going to engage in that conversation . Are we going to continue to lose hundreds of lives each year there and not have an intellectual discussion on how we fix it . I think we do. Let me say this. When youre talking about Race Relations, youre talking about caucasian on black. Thats what would conjure up race riots so the fact that he would use that language is wrong if not inflammatory. The real problem is right now were seeing an income inequality that were seeing in the urban inner cities that has been going on for generations and what donald trump is doing is not necessarily well, andre is right, hes talking about it but i dont think hes doing in the a productive way in order to fix the problem and thats the big issue and why were seeing blowback from the Africanamerican Community on donald trump. Let me move off that because i want to get to weve talked so much about down ballot in this country and how Hillary Clinton and donald trump on the tip of the ticket makes a difference so kelly ayotte, who was is in a race to save her senatorial life wants to hold on to her senate seat, takes part in this debate last night and is asked about trump being a role model. She has not endorsed him but she said shell vote for him. Listen to what she said. Would you tell them to be like donald trump . Would you point to him as a role model . I think that certainly there are many role models that we have and i believe hes can serve as president and so absolutely i would do that ch. Then she had to release a statement quoting senator ayottement i misspoke, while i hope our children aspire to be president , neither donald trump nor Hillary Clinton have set a good example and i wouldnt hold either of them as role models for my kids. My question is all of these down ballot folks are being asked this question and they have to deal with the ramifications politically. This is the tightrope were seeing from republicans that are having to walk having to support their nominee or at least seem as if theyre supporting their nominee because they dont want to alienate the far end of the Republican Base to support them. At the same time they cant get behind donald trump. For her to say im voting for him but i cant endorse him, i dont understand what that means. Even more so, i was talking to a republican strategist on friday and said what are you telling your candidates right now when donald trump is going out and saying crass things and he said were telling our candidates to shelter in place. Run your own campaign. If donald trump does well, youll do well, otherwise try to dissociate yourself. Andre, do you fault her for saying that . No, number one i have two points here, both of these candidates, as much as i am not a Hillary Clinton fan, both of them have attributes. Both of them i would hope if i had children would aspire to do some of the things both of them have done. One is an astute businessman. The other one has achieved levels for a woman that nobody ever has so they both have good qualities. Ill tell you another thing. You notice on this panel from time to time ill call my party out. Ill call my candidate out. Democrats are easier are easier on their candidates to say im with you all the way and republicans, like kelly, know they have to be more cautious because republicans you have to cater to more. Theyre harder to keep happy than the Democratic Base i believe, i may be wrong. It would be an interesting panel discussion. And we appreciate you calling out thats why we love having you on, andre bauer, youre fair. It was a loselose question for the senator to answer that. She kind of put the nail in the coffin for her in New Hampshire. The blowback that has happened from the senate is crazy so i dont know how she actually recovers from this. It goes to show were in an election where you cant even, like hug your candidate at the top of your ticket and this has real down ballot implications and i dont think its just this november. Were coming up on Midterm Elections as soon as this Midterm Election is over and these are things well talk about. You know whats worth saying about andre, when he was Lieutenant Governor of South Carolina he did work with democrats and its difficult sitting on this panel having to defend dump so the fact that you will call him out is admirable. Youre standing by him but when you were in office you did work with them. Andre bauer, thank you so much. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Symone sanders, thank you as well. Mark preston, youre all right. Coming up, my next guest says you can learn a lot by watching a political debate with the volume off. Does that apply tonight . Well discuss that and what these men need to do to help the top of their tickets. Youre watching cnns special live coverage. Were back after this. Is that icet . Nope, its lemonade. Is that icet . Lemonade. Icet . Whats with these people, man . Lemonade, read the sign. Lemonade. Read it. Ok. Delicious. Icet at a Lemonade Stand . Surprising. Whats not surprising . How much money marin saved by switching to geico. Yo, icet its lemonade, man fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. Welcome back. Im brooke baldwin. Were live from farmville, california, the campus of Longwood University where tonight mike pence and tim kaine will face off in their first and only Vice President ial debate. Joining me to discuss the stakes and what is to watch for here, james fallows, he is the National Correspondent for the atlantic and has written a number of articles about the president ial debate this is election cycle. James fallows, were thrilled to have you back on the show and i think a piece of what i love talking to you, you were fascinating last time i had you on and you said brooke i watched the debates with the sound on to listen to their points and then with the sound off to watch. Does that same rule apply tonight, jim fallows . I think its probably less the case for a Vice President ial debate. One is historically theyre not so much the clash of dominant personalities as the president you believe ones are. Theres only two i can think of where you had that personality conflict. One would be Lloyd Bentsen and dan quail in 1988 and the other would be joe biden and sarah palin eight years ago. But usually theres a lower ketone to these Vice President ial debates. They are two relative nice guys doing it so their main drama this time will be the way each of them tries to position the other by connecting them to their respective running mates. How do they do that . To quote you and others weve had on set, tease are two really nice guys, not the same controversial figures, not perhaps the same show we saw at hofstra. How do they thread the needle and get forth the policies they need to and not Say Something wrong . So i think for pence he has a little bit harder task. Well start with him. His job will be to connect tim kaine not so much with the ethical issues the republicans are raising about Hillary Clinton but rather policy failures. Hell be saying, obamacare even bill clinton is saying it didnt work. The mess in syria. Look at Hillary Clinton and her failed foreign policy. It will be a policytype approach to make tim kaine defend her and i think that will be easy for kaine because theres not that much difference between kaines policy views and Hillary Clintons. On the other hand, tim kaine will then ask mike pence to defend the latest 500 points on what donald trump has said, whether its policies where he disagrees with mike pence on gun control or abortion or whatever he said about women or about you name it. So i think the main drama ill be looking for is the way kaine is trying to make mike pence time and again and again ayour running mate, the man youre supporting for president , says x, do you agree with that . Do you agree on mexican judges . Do you agree on building a wall . Do you agree on x, y, and z . That will be the drama. Also in reading ahead about these two Vice President ial candidate, faith plays a huge role in both of their lives. Its mike pence who calls himself a conservative christian and a republican in that order. Then we hear tim kaine talking about his time in honduras in the jesuit mig their, the journey he went on and how they shaped how they feel culturally. How much do you think about that will we hear . Yes, i think thats an important point that each will use to his respective advantage. When mike pence was selected, part of the analysis was that donald trump doesnt have a long history of connection to the evangelical movement so mike pence was aa sign of his credibility or bona fides with those people. With tim kaine, he can use this as a segue to i bet ill make you a bet he gives at least one or two lines in spanish because thats how he learned spanish as one of his Jesuit Missions to Central America and from the democratic point of view theres the understated point that he has a different abortion policy or outlook from Hillary Clinton eke not on the legal consequences but how he approaches it philosophically but theres i think hell say my faith is part of what you can its why i was in Central America, why i believe we are a Diverse People so yes i agree. Faith will be something i think each of them will speak about in a positive way. James fallows, thank you, see you next time. Appreciate it. My pleasure, thanks. You got it. While farmville, virginia, is the setting for tonights debate, its a town with a special history, unique history and a connection to the modern civil rights movement. 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And if you do have an accident, our claims centers are available to assist you 24 7. Call for a free quote today. Liberty stands with you™. Liberty mutual insurance. We are live here in farmville, virginia, thrilled to be here. Its one of those class outdoors sort of days ahead of the Vice President ial debate here in virginia. Theres no question how critical the issue of race is in this current election. Its been heightened by the nationwide protests against Police Killings of africanamerican men, a number of people consider the movement the next iteration of civil right which is makes tonights debate location all the more relevant. Did you know, farmville, virginia, is part of the landmark civil rights case brown are. Have boa brown v. Board of education . Those in farmville know that firsthand. While the ruling was unequivocal, implementing it took years and strength by protesters who would not give up as these with me now, megan clark, she is the very first africanamerican and first woman chief prosecutor in prince Edwards County where farmville the county seat. Shes also a professor here at Longwood University, the host of tonights big debate. Shes joined by reverend jay samuel williams, jr. , he grew up in a segregated virginia. Its such an honor and pleasure to have you both on. Thank you. Good to be here. Let me begin with you, reverend, on your role. You were class president. Senior class president. Senior class president at the all black high school when what happened . We had noticed, students made comparisons and contrast with the facilities that we had against the white school a few blocks over. They had a cafeteria, we didnt have one. They had stateoftheart equipment for a library at the time, we had a Small Library for more than 400 students. Wasnt good enough. Was not good enough. So what did you do about it . We met the leader of our movement, called a secret assembly in the auditorium, we did not know it was going to jump off. There were some people working with her in the small group. She had informed them, five or six people and they called a strike and she presented herself, presented why we should strike, why we should stay out of school until we received a new school for which we were starting. Which took a number of years, by the way. So blacks in farmville, there was no school at a point. Brown v. Board ruled, but blacks integration didnt happen for a number of years and that affected your own mother who at the time had to get creative, shall we say, in making sure she gotten a education. She did. So my parents, both of my parents were around the age of starting school when the strike took place when the schools closed so my mother had to go to school one county over into lunenburg county. The counties surrounding Prince Edward ended up closing off their schools saying if you dont live here, you cant go here. And shes always told the story of a Pivotal Moment when she had to learn how to lie. How . She went to school and the teacher asked for her address and she was very proud, she knew her address and the teacher asked her a couple more times and the teacher said little girl, if thats your address youre not supposed to be here. My mom went home, she talked to my grandmother, we called her nanny. She talked to my nanny and my nanny was livid with her, she said you go back to school and say you had your address wrong and give them this other address. My mom said at that moment she had to learn how to lie and thats stuck with her all these years. Now fast forward to your connection and the fact that you took part, i understand it was very emotional for you reverend to take part in her swearing in as the first black female in her role in the county seat. What was that like for you . A feeling of elation, very much so. And i was so happy and proud and glad that i had been chosen to give the prayer during that particular service because that is the direct opposite of that which i have seen in the town of farmville over the years since ive been here. Her coming up. The final thing i said, i car s caressed her with tears in my eyes and the final thing i said when we were getting up leaving praise the lord and thank you, jesus. Thats right. It was a high moment in the life of the county and in her life. It shows some progress is being made and has been over the years. I can see growth, much more needs to be done, however. Students today need to grasp that same combining courage of vision that barbara did that she thought us to do and that we did to strike as students. See, if you think everything is all right, as i tell students when i lecture at the museum, or here at longwood, if everything is all right, you cant see things. Were doing this. We were told all of that during the 60s when we demonstrated when i went to jail along with others, we were told that and other related kind of jargon but you have to see something and identify it. Which we need to continue to do today in 2016. Reverend, an honor to meet you. We wanted to step out side this political sphere for a hot second to appreciate the fabric that is farmville, virginia. All the bits and all the past, thank you so much. Up next, we are going to talk about this breaking news, were keeping an eye on the deadly hurricane slamming haiti. Its heading northward. Is the southeast portion of the antitrust danger . Well talk about that coming up. But with added touches you cant get everywhere else, like claim free rewards. Or safe driving bonus checks. Even a claim satisfaction guaranteeeeeeeeeee in means Protection Plus unique extras only from an expert allstate agent. Its good to be in, good hands. Lots of vitamins a c, and, only 50 calories a serving. 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