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And his proposed deportation of 11 million undocumented immigrants. We need to control our border just like people have to control who goes in and out of their house. But if people think that we are going to shift 11 Million People who are lawabiding, who are in this country and somehow pick them up at their house and ship them out to mexico, think about the families, think about the children. So you know what the answer really is . If theyve been law abiding, they pay a penalty, they get to stay, we protect the wall. Anybody else comes over, they go back. But for the 11 Million People, come on, folks. We all know you cant pick them up and ship them back across the border. Its a silly argument. It makes no sense. Youre lucky in ohio you struck oil. Thats one thing. Let me just tell you that dwight eisenhower, good president , great president , people liked him, i like ike, right . The expression, i like ike, moved 1. 5 million Illegal Immigrants out of this country, moved them just beyond the border. They came back. Moved them again beyond the border. They came back. Didnt like it. Moved them way south. They never came back. What happened youre not going to have my back. Im going to have my back. Just a couple of things here. First of all governor, you should let jeb speak. We have grown thank you, donald, for allowing me to speak at the debate. Thats really nice of you. Really appreciate that. What a generous man you are. 12 million Illegal Immigrants, to send them back, 500,000 a month, is just not possible, and its not embracing american values. And it would tear community as part. And it would send a signal that were not the kind of dcountry that i know america is. And even having this conversation sends a powerful signal theyre doing highfives in the Clinton Campaign right now when they hear this. Lets talk about that, shall we . I have president of republican super pac the congressional leader mike shields with us, also Cnn National Political Reporter Maeve Reston and john avalon. Welcome to all of you. Going through the debate, to me, that was really one of the strongest exchanges obviously onon immigration. I want to talk about the eisenhower talk. But first mike, this backandforth, to me really showkai d showcases this divide on, say, between trump and cruz and mainstream republican kacandid e candidates. Yeah. First of all, happy veterans day. I think the winner of the debate last night was the rnc and prince priebus. After the debate in colorado that everyone knew was poorly run by cnbc, they regathered themselves, put this debate on last night and what you just watched was a really, truly substantive debate among truly qualified candidates going back and forth on their immigration plans. You saw that over and over and over again. This is a bait i think all republicans who are looking at the president ial campaign is what theyve been looking for. They want substance and back and forth. The moderators dont have to get involved in sort of creating a fight or gotcha questions when the candidates are going to go back and forth. There are real differences in these candidates about how they would approach things. Shouldnt the mod yaitor have followed up with donald trump about deporting millions of people. The question is how. What does that look like . How do you pull that off . Where was that question . Yeah. Look, you can get even more deep into substance. Step one, lets have a substan stiff debate, yes, followon questions all the journalists that are covering the campaign really need to help dig deep into what these kand did thes stand for, what the policies will do, what the impact for the policies are, the American Action forum is a conservative c3 in washington, d. C. , a think tank. Theyre talking about a massive cost associated with trying to deport that many people. It would cost billions of dollars. Theres legitimate request questions to be asked but lets celebrate we had a good debate with qualified candidates answering questions about what their policy platforms are. John, to you, lets be real about what happened in the 1950s under president eisenhower and what donald trump is proposing. Can you please give everybody a history legislati History Lesson on what that effort was back then. Sure. And i think thats an important reality check. Look, i like ike. I think he was an underrated president. But this is not one of the high water marks for his president did i. It was known as excuse me for knowen it as Operation Wetback. Thats what it was known as. Calling for Operation Wetback ii, i dont think it will help the republicans connect with the hispanic community. The country was onetenth of the population that is the potential pool. And if you are a republican who claims to want limited government, you never seen big ghost trying to deport 11 million folks. Thats a reality. I think kasich and jeb bush were responsible trying to play it out beyond the bumper stickers. Its good to have a parallel but do your homework and look at the it was 150,000 people under fdr. Do that multiple and then ask yourself if youre a republican that says you believe in limited country if thats the president you want to see and support. Thank you. I just think we needed a little social studies 101. Maeve, i want to come to you, but let me dip into ben carson speaking here lynchburg, virginia, talking about last nights debate. Their facts on the table and then making a decision. See, the problem is we frequently make decisions based on one persons ideology or another persons ideology without actually recognizing that we live in a Pluralistic Society and we need to hear everybodys explanation of what needs to happen. You know, as ive looked at the data and ive talked to people, im still very open to having a discussion about it. But it is very clear that every time we raise the minimum wage we lose jobs. So the question then becomes, how many jobs are we willing to lose in order to increase a wage beyond the level where people will be working . And what is the rationale for that . And we ought to get that out there because a lot of times the people who are saying, lets increase the minimum wage, once they understand what the implications are say, you know what . Maybe we shouldnt be increasing the minimum wage. Just to be clear, are you saying youre still open to potentially supporting raising the federally mandated minimum wage . If somebody can come up with a good explanation of why that should be done, how it doesnt hurt the economy and increase uneconomy, i think its very reasonable to hear their argument. Could you explain your position on yes. Are you in favor of encourage ing to have a way to get citizenship, or are you in favor of deporting those who are here . Very easy question. Im in favor of enforcing the laws that have and in favor of securing our borders, all of our borders. And this is not a difficult thing to do, as was demonstrated in yuma county, arizona, where they spout 97 of illegal immigration simply by putting up a double fence with asphalt road in between so there was quick access, actually putting Border Guards on the border, which is a novel concept, and prosecuting firsttime offenders rather than the catch and release program that we now have. That stopped it. And thats without the addition of some of the unique surveillance equipment that we now have available to us. So i think you can get pretty close to 100 . Now, the other thing you have to do is you have to decrease the incentives for people to come here. You have to get rid of all of the things that they would be getting if they can get through the system. Therefore, they say, what is the point . Now, that gets rid of the influx, but it doesnt take care of the 11plus Million People who are still here. I propose that we give them a sixmonth period in which to register. If they dont register within that sixmonth period, theyre criminals and are treated as such. But if they register in that sixmonth period and they have a pristine record and they wish to be guest workers in this country, we would have to pay a back tax penalty and continue to pay taxes going forward. But they would no longer have to live in the shadows. Now, that does not give them the right to vote. It does not make them u. S. Citizens. If they want to become u. S. Citizens they have to go through the same thing anybody else who wants to do that has to go through, including leaving the country so that theyre legal and apply from the outside. Unless the American People indicate that they want a different course than that. Whats the economic harm of having these 11 Million People here now . Some people its a plus to the economy. It doesnt sound like you think it is. Well, when you look at the farming industry, ive talked to farmers who have multithousandacre farms, and they say that their business would collapse without these people completely. Ive talked to hotel owners, and they say that they would have a very difficult time without them. And thats why i say guest workers who are willing to work in industries where we need them. You know, thats a winwin situation. I think the other thing that we have to keep in mind, you know, were compassionate people. Like in cameroon right now, there are American Companies over there ive spoken to, some of them, who are helping to develop millions of acres, incredibly fertile land, growing record crops, getting big profits, which is great for them. I like business, you know. Thats you do what works for you. But at the same time theyre building the infrastructure of that nation, creating jobs there and teaching them the ag business so they carry on themselves and at the same time creating friends for the United States. Theres really no reason that we cant do the same kind of thing in other parts of the world, including central and south america, so that people wont feel a necessity to come here and thats a very good outreach and a positive effect for our businesses. And it doesnt require expenditure on behalf of our government. Last night during the discussion of dodd frank and the Financial Sector you said basically, i would have wouldnt allow then you also said you didnt want to tear banks down and reshuffle what we have now. [ inaudible question ] well, you know, its not the governments business to build things up by favoritism, and its not their job to tear things down. Its really their job to provide an atmosphere that allows earlyiearl entrepreneurial risk taking, innovation, capital investment, but not to facilitate those things for one group versus the other group. So i want to see a handsoff policy by the federal government. Let things rise and fall based on their merits without the government interfering. That includes subsidies also. Do you think further deregulation would well, you know, the amount of regulation has gone from just creeping into a full gallop now, enveloping virtually everything. You know, i talk to the deleterious effect of all those regulations on the poor and the middle class, but also in terms of stifling the powerful economic engine that we have. And that i believe is what we have to be looking at. You said last night [ inaudible question ] well, youre talking about isis and control of that. They only have 30,000 people. And theyre spread out not just there but in several other locations. So i dont think that they can defend that area particularly well, and the problem has not been so much that we cant effectively fight them. The problem has been that we have our hands tied. We have people micromanaging everything. If you gave our military a mission and didnt tie their hands and micromanage them, they would be much more capable than what weve seen. [ inaudible question ] i do. I do believe that. And the added advantage is, you know, weve been calling for a coalition because the fact of the matter is, you know, getting that area under control is much more beneficial to the countries of the Arabian Peninsula and throughout that region than it is anybody else. And many of them probably would get involved, but theyre not just going to form and do things by themselves. They need leadership. If we provide the leadership for them, that provides the night us. It will grow and be able to take care of itself. But thats the kind of Foreign Policy we have to have. We cant have a well sit in the back and manage everything kind of policy. That doesnt work. We can see that. [ inaudible question ] well, china has been trying to extend its influence not only throughout the middle east but throughout africa. And in several locations and their interest extends into that region as well. You know, i have to refer you to some other people todata, but t it to me. [ inaudible question ] whether its enough or not, my point is that, if we have operations going on over there, they need to be guided. And the special ops people are there to guide those operations rather than have them being done randomly or by people who really dont have a complete view of whats going on in the area. [ inaudible question ] my message is that, you know, there are few careers that are more rewardi ining than medicin. Even with all the regulations and sthauff that has made it a little bit miserable, because you get to intervene in the most important a person has, their life, and give them longevity and give them quality. You know, ive had the opportunity to do that hundreds and even thousands of times, and i wouldnt trade one of those lives for a billion dollars. Yes, in the back. [ inaudible question ] yeah. You know, the National Institute of health is a very important part of what we do as a nation, and when you look at the death rate and you look at the age of Life Expectancy at the last turn of the century, not this one recently but the one before that, versus now, you see weve gone from around 50 to around 80. Thats because of medical advances. Thats because of things that weve been able to learn and been able to apply in a rigorous and objective manner. And it says volumes about the benefit of rational thought processing, taking true evidence and using that to make decisions. That kind of thing needs to continue to be encouraged. Of course we have to look at the areas of the nih that are effective and the areas that perhaps are not as effective. We have to apply the same kind of standards as we would to any Government Agency or subagency in terms of cost to benefit ratio. But, in general, i would be very much in favor of maintaining and even increasing appropriations for that kind of wide ranging benefit to society. Two more questions, please. [ inaudible question ] any particular issue . Because in a general speech you generally dont have time to go through a whole lit aany of issues. Some people dont recognize that. If theres a specific issue [ inaudible question ] well, of course. But it wasnt an exhaustive discussion on the flat tax. You know, you have to talk about, what is the purpose of taxation . The purpose of taxation is to be able to have the funding thats necessary to run the government. That was the original purpose. Its morphed into controlling peoples behavior. That was not the original purpose, and thats not what i would want. Thats why the system that ive described does not include the things that control peoples behavior. It also, you know obviously we at any tididnt talk about t thats need to be made. The government is far too large. We have 4. 1 million federal employees. Thats ridiculous. We need to trim that down. I would do it very compassionately by attrition. Thousands of Government Employees retire each year. Dont replace them. You can shift people around from place to place, but dont replace them. You look at all of those agencies, 645 agencies and subagencies, 2 to 3 in each one across the board some people say, oh, you cant do that every penny is vitally important and the whole system will collapse. Thats a bunch of garbage. The fact of the matter is, there is fat in everything in the government and probably a lot more than 2 or 3 . Being very reasonable at that rate. Some people say, well, remember a couple of years ago with the sequester and how they tried to do just the small cuts and we had to close white house tours and Close National parks and all these kinds of benefits for veterans and stuff like that . Thats because they were intentionally trying to target the things that people would feel the most so they could make the silly argument that you cant cut anything. Thats a matter of putting the right people in government and have the right motives to really help it work efficiently and help it work for the American People and not people who have a political agenda. [ inaudible question ] [ inaudible question ] yes. I have looked at that and have concluded that the reason that we have 50 states is because they have some degree of autonomy. Federal government should not try to control them. And if they have onerownerous t policies, everybody should leave the state. Thank you. Retired neuropediatric surgeon ben carson answering questions from the press the day after the fourth president ial debate. Maeve reston is with me. Let me go to you. We heard him doubling down on some of the themes we heard last night, not only saying the minimum wage can stay, but he thinks its too high. He said thats attributing to the high unemployment among africanamericans which certainly made news on both sides of the equation today. But also as we were discussing, immigration. Obviously he sees it differently than lets say his other fellow frontrunner donald trump. How is he sounding today to you . Well, its so interesting. You know, there were a number of questions about dr. Carsons answers last night. For example, on how he would tackle isis as well as breaking up the big banks. There was a little bit of confusion about that. But i do think coming back to your original point, that this immigration debate is the most fascinating way to look at sort of the policy differences between all of these candidates. You heard there dr. Carson talking about the need for a guest worker program. Hes really placing emphasis on that, talked a lot about how hes talked to businesses about that, then you have donald trump whos much more saying, we need to deport all of these people. And then jeb bush coming in and saying, wait a minute, im the pragmatic voice. All thaf is going to be really critical as voters start to make up their minds getting closer to the primaries here. We remember in 2012, for example, when mitt romney talked about selfdeportation. We know from polls that that sank his numbers among hispanics much later on. So i think that immigration clip in that debate we heard last night will be played again and again as this process moves forward. And, as jeb bush said, Hillary Clinton camp highfiving over what trump said last night, right . And they were actually highfiving apparently. There you go. Maeve reston, mike shields, john avlon, thank you so much. I appreciate all of you hear here at the top of the hour as we listen to dr. Carson. Coming up after last nights debate, donald trump offering praise for his rivals. Our correspondent jeff zeleny caught up with him in New Hampshire this morning. Well play that for you. Also ahead, witnesses say it was horrific. Leaves nine people dead in an Apartment Building absolutely destroyed. What happened . And later, a tragic story out of alabama. A 1yearold beaten to death by an 8yearold little boy while police say her mom was out at a nightclub. That young boy now charged with murder. Youre watching cnn. Im brooke baldwin. Diabetes, steady is exciting. Only glucerna has carbsteady, clinically proven to help minimize blood sugar spikes. So you stay steady ahead. 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During the debate, you have to give other people a chance to talk. And in the case of carly, she was interrupting a lot of people, and i think, by the way, four people came up to me afterwards that were on the stage and said thank you, so much for what you did with carly. And i think carly is a very nice person, no problem with carly. But if you remember, i did the exact same thing to kasich because he was cutting off jeb bush. I said, let jeb speak. Why do you have to be more conciliatory . I dont think i have to be, but i think i want to show respect for the other people up there and let them talk. Its their time to talk. Its different than the other debates. Im learning. Its like you felt sorry for jeb bush. No, not sorry. I think he was being cut off very unfairly. At some point i said, hey, let him talk. You saw that, right . I did see that. He did, indeed. He said, let jeb speak. Let me bring in senior contributor to the daily caller matt lewis and columnist scottie hughes. Welcome to both of you. Hi. Thank you. I have a whole other segment for the Carly Fiorina interrupting moment. Let me just pause that. Thats for dana bash next hour. Matt, to you on the debate, geared toward economic visions for the future and the question is, did donald trump stand out . I mean, this is mr. Arm of the deal trump. Did you hear his deal for america last night . I dont think he did stand out. I dont think he helped similarself, i dont think he hurt himself. If you like donald trump, you still like him. He doesnt get into the weeds, doesnt really talk policy. Frankly, i thought the real substance ever the debate wasnt even really over economics. It was things about immigration, which of course is tied to economics, and Foreign Policy, the clash between rand paul and marco rubio i thought was maybe the highlight of the evening. So donald trump was not really front and center in terms of the news making part of the debate. Scottie, do you agree . Well, to a certain extent. But let me ask you this question. How effective on Economic Policy can you be when you have eight people on a stage sitting there combating each other for one to two minute sound bite thatz media will play the next day . There was more Economic Policy talked about in the earlier debate. Thats where i think Reince Priebus and the rnc needs to look at the Smaller Group format and say, if you want substance in a specific area, youre going to have to lower the number on the stage. Its impossible to talk about mack troh macro or microeconomics in a oneminute sound bite. I dont know if america wants to hear about microeconomics. Some of it, yes, people want substance and perhaps people want more from mr. Trump. But there was a discussion, we talked immigration, but there was a discussion on minimum wage, scottie. Trump said he would leave everything the way it is. Heres donald trump. Taxes too high, wages too high. Were not going to be able to compete against the world. I hate to say it, but we have to leave it the way it is. People have to go out. They have to work really hard. And they have to get into that upper stratum. But we cannot do this if we are going to compete with the rest of the world. We just cant do it. Leave everything the way it is. I mean, this is a man who touts the slogan, wears the ball cap, make america great. How does that jive with that slogan . It jives with it perfectly. We talk about raising the minimum wage, but the biggest effect it has is on small business, who are already struggling under the regulations of obama. That will hurt. When were in an age of technology right now where were seeing on a daily basis corporations already in these large retailers replacing people with machines, you cant sit there and tell these folks that it makes it worth it to replace people to not replace people when youre raising the wages. Matt, do you want to respond to that . Well, i will say this. You know, sometimes im sitting there watching the debate and im like an obvious answer that will be simple. The cbo said that raising the minimum wage would actually cost us jobs. More people would be unemployed. Surprisingly, not a single republican, at least that i heard last night, happened to mention that statistic, which i think sort of proves the point. Final question to you, matt. Then weve got to go. To your point, if trump didnt truly stand out and its almost sort of like were watching reruns and some people love trump reruns, is he getting tri priblgtable . I think he is. He has a shtick. Hes entertaining. This is the fourth debate. I think it wears thin over time. Obviously not. His numbers are the highest. Scottie, they are. People love him. They do, they do. Scottie hughes, thank you so much. Matt lewis, thank you as well. Next, we will talk to nancy grace to discuss this horrendous case involving the 1yearold girl beaten to death by an 8yearold little boy after their mothers allegedly left them home alone while they went out to the clubs. Now that little boy is charged with murder. Well have that discussion coming up. We stop arthritis pain, so you dont have to stop. Tylenol® 8hr arthritis pain has two layers of pain relief. The first is fast. The second lasts all day. We give you your day back. What you do with it is up to you. Tylenol®. You heard about this, this 8yearold child facing murder charges after killing a 1yearold . Beating this little baby kelsey lewis to death apparently because she wouldnt stop crying. Where were the parents, you ask . Well, this horrific incident happening as the mothers reportedly went out clubbing, leaving them home alone with five kids between the ages of 2 and 8. Just as shocking . The mothers allegedly did not check on these little ones when they got home around 2 00 a. M. Until much later the next morning when they found this little baby unresponsive. Joining me now, hlns nancy grace. Nancy grace, also to you as a mother, an 8yearold charged with murder. We were looking, Birmingham Police have never charged anyone that young with murder before. How does this happen . Well, i think that the fault is going to be determined to not lie with the little boy but with the mothers instead. Because youve got the one mother who is out this is her friends home. Between them, six children at home. The mother is charged with manslaughter right now. As far as the little boy goes, he is not going to be charged as an adult. So what happens . Make sure youre okay. I dont know if you have any walter. Water nearby. This 8yearold boy i know is in custody at the state department of human row resources. I know he wont be tried as an adult, but even if hes convicted and sentenced, where do you put an 8yearold . Oh, this child will be in juvenile jail, potentially until he is 19 years old. Wow now, this is what the states star witness is saying, a 6yearold little girl in the home. She says that the injuries to the little girl, kelsey, are consistent with a beating. Now, what we believe happened is the child is taken out of her crib and beaten and then put back in the crib. Now, whats so disturbing to me is the parents, the two mothers, go out clubbing i dont know where the dads are until about 2 30 in the morning. They come back home. They dont even check on the children. They come home, probably drunk, and go to bed. During that time, they could very likely have saved this childs life if they had just checked on her, just to make sure shes in the crib. Now the 8yearold is charged with murder. Now, in that jurisdiction, if hes charged as an adult, he could potentially get life without parole. However, in alabama, youve got to be 14 to be charged as an adult. So what hes looking at is 10 to 11 years in juvenile jail. And i want to tell you a quick story. Please. I remember trying a juvenile for murder, and when i saw him as a witness five years later in another crime, he was just pacing back and forth in the courtroom like a tiger. You put a kid in jail at this age until hes 19, hes going to come out worse than when he went in. What about mom . As you mentioned oh what does her future look like . Can i tell you something . I dont think thats appropriate. I dont think this mother should be charged with man slaughter. Just think if her kid is back drinking and smoking at the club while her child was at home getting beaten to death . I think she should be charged with felony murder. And ill tell you why. Felony murder does not mean you have intent to kill. It means that during the commission of a felony, which is felony child neglect, a death occurs. That is exactly what happened. If you look at this baby, can you look at kelsey, and with a straight face think that mother should get off at two or three years jail time . Huhuh, no. Nancy grace, thank you so much. Thank you. Make sure you watch nancy on our Sister Network hln every night 8 00 eastern. Horrible. Coming up here on cnn, nine people have been killed after this small plane crashed into an Apartment Building. This is akron, ohio. Witnesses say the plane just up and dropped out of the sky. How could this happen . What caused this crash . Thats next. Inthe midsize van, from merbenz. Its got smallability and bigability. Towingability and stowingability. Rackability and hvacability. Its fully customizable and sized just right to give you cupcakeability, entourageability. Garageability and even affordability. Starting at 28,950. Available in cargo or passenger. From mercedesbenz. 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Investigators say the jet scraped power lines before smashing into this apartment complex. Thankfully no one was home at the time. Officials say no one on the ground was hurt either. But as many as 12 families are now displaced. The ntsb is holding a News Conference in a couple of minutes. Well watch for that. How did this happen . Were not sure. Were looking at the recent history of this plane. It looks like its had a busy week, four flights on monday from st. Paul, ft. Lauderdale, st. Louis to cincinnati. Yesterday it flew from cincinnati to dayton and was supposed to fly from dayton to akron but came down obviously a few miles from its destination, an airport in southeast akron. As you mentionedish the plane was chartered by a Real Estate Company based in boca raton, peb enterprises. On its website it acknowledged that seven of the passengers on board were employees. They offered condolences to the families of everyone on board. We also heard from officials that its going to take a while before they recover all the remains and positively identify them. Unfortunately, the fuselage was in tact when it came down, but there was a strong fire. The pictures, wow. Pretty intense. So right now theyre still working to remove the remains, take them to a lab, positive i. D. Them before they release the names of those who were actually on board. Theres no exact indication no obvious indication for the reason for the crash. You can see in the video it looks like a dark, gloomy day. It had recently rained. Obviously the faa and ntsb will look at whether weather was a potential pafactor in the crash next, today, in honor of veterans day, i had the coolest morning ever. I came to work and skyped with this incredible double amputee who managed to summit africas tallest mountain, people. Its amazing. We did it. Happy veterans day. 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He was able to do this this morning after losing both of his legs in combat. I want to introduce you to retired u. S. Marine corps sergeant Julian Torres. So he lost both of his legs during a tour in afghanistan in 2010. Look at this. Five years later, Sergeant Torres has turned this dream into a reality by taking on one of the worlds highest peaks. This incredible journey made possible by the heroes project. The heroes project is a nonprofit created by former hells angel biker turned climber tim medvet and designed to head wounded veterans rediscover their sense of strength and pride. I got to talk to tim and Sergeant Torres right after they reached kilimanjaros summit. Congratulations whoo yeah, baby that is just amazing. I cannot believe im talking to you two at 19,345 feet on the summit of kilimanjaro. Guys, how does it feel . Like a winner. Feels like a winner. Sergeant torres, have you ever done anything like this . No. Nothing except kicking my kids around the house. Whats going on, j. J. , alecio . I love you. How does it look from the roof of africa, the glaciers . How does the air feel . Gorgeous. Guys, i was just up there a couple of months ago myself. Its truly spectacular. Sergeant, can you tell me why you wanted to climb a mountain . Absolutely. I wanted to pay respect to my fallen brothers. We did it. Happy veterans day to all the veterans out there. Happy veterans day indeed. Tim, tell me why you do this. I guess this is my extreme way of serving those who i mean, you could run a race. You could go biking. Like, why feel the need to climb the tallest mountains on earth . America. America. Thats all i can say is america. Doing my part as an american on this gorgeous day. Happy veterans day, everybody. Everybody should do their own part as an american, thank them for their service. You dont have to do something as crazy as taking one of our war heroes up a mountain, but shake their hand. Sacrifice, brooke. Phenomenal. My favorite part about climbing was the bronco wall. How about you two . That was not my favorite. It completely was horrible. Certainly had to pay my price and pay my dues. One of my last questions is, once you get down off that mountain, what do you want to tell your wife, your kids, and do you ever want to climb a mountain again, sergeant . Yes, i do want to climb again. I would tell my kids theres nothing your dad cant do. I love you guys. Incredible. Climbing that mountain is such a metaphor. Thank you, gentlemen. Happy veterans day. Happy veterans day. Top of africa captions by vitac www. Vitac. Com p pfr. At the win ton, top of the hour. Thank you for being with me. This is cnn. Im brooke baldwin. We begin with the Republican Debate, not dominated by personalities last night but really by policy. Eight republican candidates sparring over syria, the tax code, trade, talking about the minimum wage, military, immigrati immigration, so much more than that. More than 13 Million People tuned in to see the seven men and one woman who would like to be the next president of the United States there on that main stage. Here are in case you missed it some highlights. We cant continue to be the policemen of the world. We owe 19 trillion. We have a country thats going to hell. We have an infrastructure thats falling apart. Our roads, our bridges, our schools, our airports. And we have to start investing money in our country. Were not going to be the worlds policemen, but we sure as heck better be the worlds leader. Theres a huge difference. Without us leading, voids are filled. If i thought that raising the minimum wage was the best way to help people increase their pay, i would be all for it. But it doesnt. In the 21st century its a disaster. If you raise the minimum wage, youre going to make people more expensive than a machine. And that means all the automation replacing jobs and people right now is only going to be accelerated. Every time we raise the minimum wage, the number of jobless people increases. Its particularly a problem in the black community. Only 19. 8 of black teenagers have a job, are looking for one. And thats because of those high wages. The secret sauce of america is innovation and entrepreneurship. It is why we must cut our government down to size and hold it accountable. Its why we have to take our government back. Because innovation and entrepreneurship is crushed by the crushing load of a 73,000 hiv page tax code. Washington is fundamentally corrupt. There are more words in the irs code than there are in the bible. And not a one of them is as good. For the life of me, i dont know why we have xig ma tiezed vocational education. Weldors make more money than philosoph philosophers. We need more welders than philosophers. If we do that all right, so the candidates spoke well. Did they speak the truth . Not 100 that entire time. With me my colleague tomtoryman with some fact checks on what the candidates said in milwaukee. Tom, lets begin with dr. Ben carson. I know he was talking specifically about the minimum wage and how that would affect was raised. Was that what exactly . Well, his basic claim is every time you raise the minimum wage it raises unemployment in the country. Its a favorite talking point of some of the conservatives in this country. Heres the problem with that statement, though. Even when you Say Something like that, the facts just dont bear it out. Look at these years. Every year here the minimum wage raised you can see in 1950 it was very small it went up but look at the number of Unemployed People over the next year. In every case, it went down. Now, that doesnt mean every time you raise the minimum wage it goes down. But his claim that it always goes the opposite way is also not true. The bottom line is, raising minimum wage raises unemployment is just false, brooke. Thats interesting. On to senator marco rubio, got a huge applause for his comments about welders making more than philosophers. Is that true . Well, this is an interesting claim here. Welders make more money than philosophers. Big applause. A lot of people get that. Sort of attacking the idea that you have to have people do physical jobs in our country. They really matter and this whole idea that everybody else should be in this arrow indict world of Higher Education is not necessarily how it works. The problem with this statement is that the numbers from the bureau of labor statistics show that the average income for someone with a philosophy degree, 63,640, average salary for a werld is 37,420. Its a little confusing because there are a lot of people with philosophy degrees that doesnt mean theyre sitting around being philosophers. They have a philosophy degree and go do something else, like teach at a college or maybe they have a completely different job. And welders, there are a lot of different types, some of whom make a whole lot of money. You might argue if you took all the welders who had College Degrees they might go higher, too. But as a simple statement philosophers versus welders, you have to say that what he said is also false. Okay. What about Carly Fiorina and ted cruz talking last night about the tax code. Set it up. What were they saying . Well, were all heading for that time in the spring where we have to deal with taxes. She says the tax code is 73,000 pages long. Boy, thats an awful lot of pages to try to grind through. The problem is that the tax code itself is only some 2,000 pages long. There are thousands, tens of thousands of pages, up to 73,000, explainingi how to use the tax code. Theyre not tech ltechnically p the tax code. You have to give her credit for that. As for ted cruz, he says the tax code has more words in it than the bible. Yeah. Is that true . Well, you can argue that im not sure why that matters except it does make the point that the tax code is complicated. Many people, democrats and republicans, agree its not only complicated but too complicated. And, yeah, if you do a word count on the tax code itself and the bible, yeah, the tax code comes out way higher than the bible. Although you might invoke either document when youre trying to get it through it all. Tom foreman with what is right and wrongs, false, truth. Go to cnn. Com reality check for all the facts. There were many more than the three we highlighted. Lets continue the conversation. I have katrina a former contestant on season one of trumps reality show and kelly ann conway, republican pollster the head of the polling company. Ladies, thank you for being with me. I actually we just turned around some sound. Jeb bush was just speaking in iowa, talking about how he thought he did in the substance of the debate last night. Lets just pause for a moment and all hear that for the first time together. I dont know what his views are. My views are that we need to fix our immigration system by securing the border, narrowing the number of people that come by family expanding the people that come based on economic need for our country, dealing with the extended stay visa challenge. All of these things need to be done in a comprehensive way. And i think i have the skills to do it. I mean, this is not there are more complicated things than this. This president has let us down by not being serious about border enforcement and not engaging with republicans to forge consensus. He uses this as as wedge issue and we dont win politically with this, but we can win policywise. [ inaudible question ] ive heard his views, that he believes you can round up 500,000 people a month. Just assume for a moment that there would be due process. I havent heard mr. Trumps views on, that but i assume in our country that that actually people would consider that to be worthy of consideration. 500,000 people basically i think would double the number of people processed through our judicial system. Its not possible. Its just not possible. I think theres a better approach, a practical approach, conservative approach that solve thz and does it in a way that doesnt cost an arm and a leg and respects american values. So thats a piece of what jeb bush is saying there in of course the first caucus state in iowa. Kelly ann, let me turn to you. Here he is, has this new push, new campaign slogan. Hes hanging in there. Met with donors apparently this morning. Can supporters, will they be able to support someone who just is a bad debater . Hes not a particularly great candidate either and probably not for these times. You know, the conservative movement, brooke, is always looking for the next reagan. Theyve decided theyre looking for the next reagan, lets stop picking bushes. Just right there, the clip you showed from i guess today, hes out of step with what people in iowa and all across the country in the republican caucuses believe about illegal immigration. Thats a deal breaker for many of them, whether its marco rubio and the gang of eight amnesty, the act of love comments that jeb bush has made. Theyre out of step. The base may say, but youre going to be a good steward of the domestic economy. I can trust you, youll dwight isis, put putin in his place. Maybe theyll look past it. But so far the deal breakers are haunting people like this who if they dont perform well in debates it exacerbates the underlining problem. I thought bush had a better debate last night because he embraced his inner self. Hes nerdy. Nobody asked, jeb, whats your favorite color . They asked him policy questions. Katrina, do you agree . Thus far listening to someone who has had a lot of money, super pac. I think the base has really tried to rally around him. But at the end of the day, hes really been languishing in the polls. You know, i dont know if you agree that he had a great night last night, but is he cutting it . Well, i think the debate last night was actually so classy. I think the moderators did such a great job and the fact that the candidates were allowed to speak longer i think did everybody justice. But on jeb bush specifically. Well, i think jeb bush is somebody that doesnt have as much passion, as much respect as i have for him. I think our country needs somebody who is extremely passionate and has guts. I think thats what people are failing to see with bush. But did he do better . Absolutely. I just dont think its enough. Let me play this other. We talked about the Immigration Exchange last hour. This is the other exchange that really stood out to me, more or less the conversation about whos the better conservative . Heres that. I know that rand is a committed isolationist. Im not. I believe the world is a stronger and a better place when the United States is the Strongest Military power in the world. Marco, marco, how is it conservative to add a trillion dollar expenditure for the federal government youre not paying for . How is it conservative to add a trillion dollars in military expenditures . You cannot be a conservative if youre going to keep promoting new programs that youre not going to pay for. May i respond . Quickly, senator. We kent even have an economy if were not safe. There are radical jihadists in the middle east crucifyi ining christian and beheading people, the chinese taking over the south china sea. Yes, i believe the world is a safer no, i dont believe. I know the world is a safer and better place when america is the Strongest Military power in the world. Katrina, you can hear the crowd. That was one of the big moments of the night. What do you think that was about . Well, i think rubio did phenomenal last night. I think one of the my favorite point thats he made was actually about family, which he got attacked for. He said that when people have chirnl they should actually get some of the tax money that theyve paid back because Child Education is so important now and the children really are our future. And he got attacked for saying that. I think he is an ultra conservative and he believes family is so incredibly important and that our safety as a nation is also extremely vital, which are definitely conservative values. Kellyanne, on the notion of whos more conservativconservat undercard you had jindal pushing christie on the same exact thing. Right. Who are they speaking to . Theyre speaking directly to the voters. I thats why i think the debates are important. Theyre a form of direct democracy. A pure form of it. Most americans cant afford to pay the freight to go see candidates in person at a fundraiser, an event. They can click on their computer or the tv and they can hear what these people stand for and what they stand on. You know, the next voter complaints, i just dont know what they stand for, why dont they tell us . Youre not paying attention. Youre watching something else. Say what you want in the democratic debate and Republican Debates so far, theres been a lot of talk of policy. To answer your question, though, most of the republicans you cant put a piece of tissue paper between them on abortion or on the military or on education, local control versus federal control. But where the fault line lies in the Republican Party now is, are you a committed small government conservative, or are you a Big Government republican who will spend and spend . Rick santorum in 2012 won, what, nine primaries and caucuss . What tripped him up is not his fall values positions. That was resonating. Its when people were saying, youre a serial earmarking. You spent a lot of money in the house and senate long before earmarks became robot to republican. Rand pushed that argument and that was rand pauls best debate by far last night. He got back to the libertarian ways. Its not all for legalization of marijuana. Its are you for small, less affective government. He was pushing rubio on that. One other bit i want to play. This is donald trump. By the way, Carly Fiorina not only the one to be interrupting and interjecting. But specifically this is donald trump calling Carly Fiorina and dana bash caught up with her. Ronald reagan was strong, but Ronald Reagan walked away at rec avic. He quit talking. Can i finish . He quit talking why does she keep interrupting everybody . Why . Terrible. Id like to finish my response basically. Do you think gender had anything to do with it . Well, ask yourself. People were interrupting each other all night long and suddenly when i make a point mr. Trump has to say, i wonder why she keeps interrupting. But its typical of him. Thats the point. Its typical. He finds a reason to insult virtually everyone he stands on the stage with eventually. Tonight it was my turn. I will say donald trump today with jeff zeleny sort of walked back, said hes learning and didnt really take the bait from reporters the day after. But do you think that there is some truth, kellyanne to what Carly Fiorina is saying . I know shes had a bigger conversation about conservative women versus more liberal, left leaning women and how theyre not treated as fair. Ive been in republican politics for a long time. I walk into a meeting and i feel like im in the elks club or golf club or locker room. Thats the price we pay. I think it was good when they took on donald trump on the cnn debate where she took him on about her face because it was very she had to. She had to. It was a very difficult box for him to come out of. I think shes a beautiful woman. He tried to walk it back. Thats probably more effective. Is there a double standard . I came out of the 2008 elections with Hillary Clinton as the democrat running for president , sarah palin as the republican running for vice president. I felt icky for my daughters. I was like, you can do whatever you want, but dont run for president. Nobody talks about the bellies and the combovers in congress. Its the shoes and bags, do they match. Amen, dont get me started. Thank you both very, very much. Great discussion. Speaking of Hillary Clinton, democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton also a big presence at the debates last night. Her name mentioned dozens of times. Does that signal a shift in the republican race . Plus, new information on that fiery crash, plane crash, in ohio that killed nine people. One witness saying that the plane up and dropped out of the sky. What weve now just learned from the ntsb, the latest on their investigation. 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When the fall comes and we run against hillary. Hillary clinton doesnt want one minute on that stage with me next september. When i look at somebody like hilary clnten. Hillary clinton. Hillary clinton embodies the cronyism of washington. Hillary clinton is coming for your wallet, everybody. We must beat Hillary Clinton. What do you think is going to happen when Hillary Clinton is elected president of the United States . Carly fiorina can beat Hillary Clinton. We cannot let Hillary Clinton, who is the worst secretary of state in the history of our country, win this election. Hillary and the democrats promise everything on the spending side. This is also smething Hillary Clinton agrees. Bernie sanders and Hillary Clinton wont tell you that thats the thing thats really hurting the middle class and poor. Wait until you see what Hillary Clinton will do to this country. Hillary clintons approach to this is more topdown, more regulation, more passes. Hillary clinton says hill i clinton. Hillary clinton wants to suppress that. This president and hill i clinton it may be the best that Hillary Clinton can do but its not the best america can do. Theyre doing highfives in the clinton kpaint when they hear this. I think its fair to say youre not fans of Hillary Clintons resumresume. Gloria borger, all smiles. If one were to have played a drinkinging game, that would be the one to do that with. Clinton camp must love that, right . Sure. And look, its good politics for the republicans and the undercard debate it was really Chris Christie who took on Hillary Clinton most directly. And i think in the second debate it was jeb bush who kept mentioning her over and over and over again. And what thats about is telling a republican audience that, imim im the person who can take on Hillary Clinton. Im the candidate whos the most electable ayinde can take her on on the issues. Its also a way for jeb bush in particular to avoid, say, taking on marco rubio who he didnt have such a great luck taking on in the last debate, right . So its a lot easier to take on somebody whos not on the stage than somebody who is, although i would argue, brooke, that what we heard last night in this debate was a lot of internal, subtan tiff disagreement between the Republican Party about how they move forward on key issues. We heard about a lot of the key issues. This really was issues, substantive, quickly, beyond i can take on hillary. Was it about whos the biggest conservatives conservative . Well, it was major disagreements on immigration reform, for example. Do you build the wall and deport people . Kasich called trump silly on that. How do you take on russia and Vladimir Putin . Bush taking on trump on that, saying this isnt a board game, we cant allow putin to do our work for us. Weve got to lead in this world. It was about spending priorities. Do you do child care tax credits . How much do you spend for defense . And it really was an argument about the future of the Republican Party, which republican primary voters i would argue deserve at this point in iowa and New Hampshire as youre heading into this race because these candidates actually, once you set aside all the personal differences and they dont like each other as you could tell last night there are real differences in how they would approach important issues going forward, brooke. Got to highlight those differences. Gloria borger, thank you so much. Absolutely. Still ahead, indictments come down against one of the 100 people involved in the deadly biker shootout in waco, texas. Details on what kinds of charges they will likely face. Salt. Pepper. Carved thick. Thats the right way to make a good turkey sandwich. The right way to eat it . Is however you eat it. Panera. Food as it should be. When you think aarp, then you dont know aarp. 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The left wing hit the ground first and left a witness mark. Then the aircraft hit half of an Apartment Building, destroying it, before running up an embankment behind the building and coming to rest. As far as we know, the pilot this was a first approach, but well be looking into all of the records that show and all of the communications that show this. Well also be looking at weather and weather, in fact, is one of the key area thats well be looking at very carefully in this accident. Joining me now cnn aviation analyst mary schiavo. Mary, you heard the official saying theyll look into weather, the jet companys ceo said he would be surprised to hear this would be because of pilot error. No distress calls. Pilots were well seasoned. What kinds of questions would you be asking . Statistically, if you look at the cause of accidents in this situation, your thoughts first go to something call control flight into terrain, often described to loss of pilot Situational Awareness or literally pilot disorientation. What that means is, when youre in bad weather and i think the weather at this airport was approaching the minimums, meaning kind of the weather gets as bad as it can get before youre not allowed to fly in. They were still able to go in. But what happens a pilot can get disoriented in this kind of weather and literally drop too low or let the altitude come down too levels where they shouldnt be, and they literally can do whats called a controlled flight into terrain, cfit. However, with one wing dipping, one would suspect perhaps a problem with the engine on that particular side. And then eyewitnesss say they saw it hit a pole or wire, which means it dropped below altitude. Another earwitnessing mentioned fluttering, which isnt a usual description for a problem with a jet engine. Thats more clues that the ntsb will have. We also know theyre talking to a separate pilot safely landing a separate plane just before this plane would have landed, presumably asking about conditions and even weather. We know that this plane, the airport, there was no control tower . Is that fairly common at really small airports . Yes, actually it is. You know, we have about 468 Passenger Service airports, and we have several thousand controlled airports. and if you look at all of our airports in total, we probably have 16,000 airports. So there are lots of airports without anzw air traffic contr tower. But for a problem where youre coming in to land and youre below where you should be on altitude usually its not a problem with an air Traffic Control tower. They were lined up for the runway. They were simply too low. I think theyll be looking at controlled flight into terrain, which is pilot error, or some problem with the engine given what earwitnesses and eyewitnesss have said and that pilot that landed just before them is going to be very important to tell them about the weather and what they say when they broke through the clouds and saw the runway. We will follow the ntsb investigation. I understand Family Members are just arriving there on the scene in akron. Mary schiavo, thank you so much. Thank you. Coming up next, three men arrested in virginia for allegedly plotting to start a race war. How an under cover fbi sting stopped them before they could carry out any of the vicious attacks. Plus, somebody has to do this job. Our own lisa ling goes inside the l. A. County Coroners Office. She joins me live to talk about what she found and what surprised her the most. At planters we know how to throw a remarkable holiday party. 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Lets go straight to our justice correspondent evan perez with more on this. What were they planning to do, evan . Its a really remarkable story, brooke. These two men are alleged white supremacist who practice a pagan religion according to the fbi. They say they were planning to rob and kill businessmen and use the money to create a race war. Now, the fbi says that back in september they learned that there was a meeting involving these two men and that there was going to be a discussion about carrying out shooting and bombing attacks on black churches and joourish synagogues. Thats when the fbi decided to set up a sting and these two men allegedly met with an undercover agent who was acting as an illegal arms dealer. According to the fbi, they placed orders for automatic weapons, explosives and a pistol with a silencer. And when these men allegedly attempted to buy the guns is when the fbi made the arrests earlier this week. Now, the fbi says that it learned through Confidential Sources and wiretaps and surveillance that these men were concocting to kill a jeweler as well as purchase land to stockpile weapons and train for what they thought was going to be an upcoming race war. There was another arrest of another man for conspiracy to commit robbery, the third man arrested. The fbi says these men were a long way from actually targeting any religious institution, but we expect them to appear before a federal judge tomorrow. Thats when we might learn more, brooke. Thanks to the fbi. Plot thwarted. Evan perez, thank you. Indictments have finally been handed down here more than 100 people involved in that deadly, gruesome biker shootout in may in waco, texas. The latest on that case coming up next. Ven. I am the butler. These dogs shed like crazy. Its like being inside of a snow globe. It takes an awful lot of time to keep the house clean. I dont know what to do. doorbell whats this . 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A gun battle erupts between rival biker clubs. When its all over, nine people were dead, 18 wound. Joining me now, lisa ling, host of this is life here on cnn. I want to talk about your episode coming up tonight. But first, i would be remiss not talking about the fact that you got incredible access to for your show to a biker the club the mon goals, not the group involved in this particular shootout, but take me back. What did you learn about i dont know, is it the culture of silence that would make these cases so tough to prosecute . I think one of the reasons why this case in particular would happen in waco, texas, is so difficult isnt so much that culture of silence, even though there certainly is a culture of silence in the biker world, but most of the people who were involved are on gag order. Theyre not allowed to speak. And i know this because i actually spoke to the wife of the bandido who was killed in that shootout, and she said that, were all in the dark because no one involved is able to talk about it. Now, there are allegations that some of those bikers may have actually been killed by police because there was such a heavy police presence. So as of now, until the trial begins, i think everyone is going to continue to be in the dark for a while. From bikers to the Coroners Office. Here you are, new episode tonight this is life, 9 00 eastern. You take us inside the Los Angeles County Coroners Office. Here is a clip. In this room, who has the most bodyies . Mike. How many do you think youve collected . Between 11,000 and 13,000. Wow. Yeah. But even more employees as seasoned as mike, some cases still stand out. Are there case thats haunt you . Sometimes. I went to a call once. It was a little boy that ran into the street and he got hit by a car. So he was laying there. It was a little hispanic kid. I was looking at a little boy the same age i could see my son there. And i looked across the street and i saw the parents. It could be me and my wife. It really affected me. Wow. That has to be a special kind of person to be willing to do that kind of work day in and day out. Absolutely. The kinds of things they see and do and smell every day, it really does require a unique kind of person. You know, took a year to get access into the Los Angeles County medical examiners office, which is the largest Coroners Office under one roof in the United States. You know, its a nondescript building in Downtown Los Angeles that ive passed many, many times because i live in l. A. And inside that building is a crypt that holds up to 500 bodies. For every one of those bodies theres a story, and this episode even though its about death, even though there are things that you will see that might make you uncomfortable, its a very moving and emotional episode. And it really changed me working on this. You know, my father has been getting very forgetful and i was living by by himself for a long time. And after i worked on this episode i moved him in with me because the idea of something happening to him while he was alone was just too much for me to fathom. And because i followed coroner investigators to scenes in which, you know, people had been decomposing for days, having died alone. And so its an episode, again, its a very powerful at any given time if anyone in this country dies suddenly. If you get hit by a car or have a heart attack, you could be seen by a coroner immediately and taken to a Coroners Office. We just happened to visit and spend time with the busiest one. Eerily fascinating, lisa ling. Thank you so much for sharing. We will tune into the new episode of this is life 9 00 eastern and pacific here on cnn tonight. Lisa ling, thank you. Well be right back. I found a better deal on prescriptions. We found lower copays. 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We do parachute demonstrations all over the world from the east coast to west coast. We basically jump out of airplanes. Veterans feel like once they leave the military that theyre not important anymore, that their mission is done. We want to show veterans that you can still use your skill sets. You still are important. Mike elliot founded the group. He took former president george h. W. Bush, also a veteran, sky diving multiple times for his birthdays. No one was aware not even the secret service was aware of it. You have a world leader in your hands and he trusts you to throw him out of an airplane. And when he told barb that he was jumping she walked up to me and said if you kill him, i will kill you. Today elliot has teamed up with the National War Plane Museum in new york which owns whiskey 7. Whiskey 7 has a soul. A spirit and you can feel it. Last summer the plane returned to normandy for the 70th anniversary of dday. Whiskey 7 was the lead plane in the second wave of the invasion. To this day veteran pilots who flew this type of plane still come to visit and reminisce like it was yesterday. Oh, it looks bigger than it used to. I never forget there was a front right between us. And it looked it front of me and it looks like a solid thunderstorm. So we headed straight into it. And you looked out and you had two disks of fire on each side. If youre in danger, you dont think about the danger. You think im going to get through it. Getting in this aircraft and hearing the engines start up, you get this bone chilling feeling that goes through your body. Its an overwhelming experience. This never goes away. Oh, chris moody, so good. Thank you. I love the barbara bush line, if you kill him, i will kill you. And thats classic barbara bush. Anyone whos ever known her shes very forward. So it was a bit of a rush. You did it. These guys have done it. What is it about i was talking to a veteran last hour who just summited mt. Kill m kilimanja kilimanjaro, talk about that. What is that about that thats so important to them . The founder of the organization mentioned to me a lot of Service Members may get out of the military and feel like, well, whats the mission now, whats my purpose. And he wanted to show them you do have a purpose. You learned skills while you were a Service Member that you can still apply. And also they work through a lot of Service Members who may be suffering ptsd, taking them sky diving. Some may find it liberating. And its really a wonderful mission that they have. What is it about that sense of purpose that you think youve talked to a lot of veterans. I have veterans in my family, i have a Family Member buried in arlington. Its so important for the rest of their lives. Many say while theyre in that mission its the most important thing on their minds and then they achieve it. And then its over. And they have to channel that energy. And theres guys like the all veteran parachute team that help facilitate that. Incredible. All veteran parachute team. Ill climb mountains, jump off of mountains, i would not jump out of planes. Quickly, you would recommend this . Absolutely. It was a world war ii plane that flew over normandy. The plane is owned by the National Warplane museum which has restored it and they fly all over the country. Chris, thank you so much for sticking around new york and talking to me today. I appreciate it. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for all that you have done and do for our country. Thank you so much. And that is it for me. Im brooke baldwin. See you back here this time tomorrow. In the meantime we go to washington, d. C. The lead with jake tapper starts right now. Thanks, brooke. Battle lines being drawn. The lead starts right now. 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