This is just before the judge in boston will be giving Dzhokhar Tsarnaevs formal sentence. It was april 1th when he was officially sentenced to death, this is a formality. Ive got danny cellos with me and also cnn Law Enforcement analyst tom fuentes. Danny, first to you. How rare is it to even have this convicted terrorist addressing the courtroom. It actually happens in both federal and state cases. A defendant has an absolute right of allocution and as much as Defense Attorneys tell you have that right but for appeal purposes i recommend you not exercise it ultimately that choice is always always the defendants and not the attorneys so defendants can do just about anything they want although statistically i would imagine they usually do not exercise that right to address the public so ultimately what to keep in mind here is that this defendants absolute right to address the public and address the members of the courtroom. Let me jump in because obviously weve got people inside the courtroom, federal courthouse so cameras arent allowed. Let me read what we have from some of our crews communicating with us outside. We know that he is now finished addressing the court, began by recognizing ramadan and gave thanks to allah and thanked his attorney and thanked the jury and then he said hes sorry. Let me quote Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. I would like to now apologize to the victims and the survivors. He said if there is any lingering doubt i did it along with my brother. I am sorry for the lives that i have taken. Im not quite if this is it all he said. The final thing he said i ask allah to have mercy on me and my brother and my family. As we mentioned, hes been sentenced to death. Danny, can you just paint the picture before we talk to our crew who has been inside this courthouse. We know victim impact statements were given again today so presumably these victims or family members are in this courtroom hearing these words. Paint this picture for me. The sentencing in cases like this is always very very emotional, and even in a case where as you said there is virtually nothing legal left to be done. Our system because we focus on punishment and retribution, allows for victims to come in and address the defendant, and you have to imagine they have been thinking about this day and also whether or not they would ever have that opportunity because theres always a chance of a not guilty however slight but they have been thinking about this day and crafting their words. I find and i think a lot of Defense Attorneys and prosecutors will tell you that even though victims have thought about this for so long, when that day ultimately comes often its too much and they have to decline. Someone else maybe reads a letter from them because its just too emotional. I cant imagine many dry eyes in this courthouse especially based upon that sentencing hearing and what we heard from those who were in attendance. Danny, stay with me. I want to bring in joey jackson who is on the phone and also one of our legal analysts. Joe, you know danny brought up the point that at the end of the day with the formality with the sentencing hearing like this, where this defendant in any case is given the opportunity to speak, its clearly up to ultimately the defendant in this case this convicted terrorist instead of an attorney. Are you surprised he took a moment to address the courthouse . Well good afternoon. I am surprised for a few reasons and ill tell you why. Number one, understand that you know he called the shots. Theres no question about that but theres an appeal here certainly. That will be undertaken and with respect to you know addressing the court at all you dont want to do that because it doesnt impair your appeal in any way. Certainly just apologizing to the family doesnt do that but you always listen to the attorney in terms what he might say or whether he would go rogue, you know, certainly making gestures to allah and that type of thing. You have some concerns about what hes saying and then the second concern with regard to him going rogue what he would say, something that may be antagonistic to the victims, so you know today he did not which is a good thing, but the third reason i would be really concerned about him and really what he said defying conventional wisdom in that he spoke at all is his fate is sealed. The judge has no discretion here. Result of the jury making a conclusion that he should be sentenced to death no matter what he would say. It would not affect that ultimate decision that hes going to die so im very surprise that had he took the opportunity to say anything although certainly, you know the families and the lives that he impacted they absolutely deserve an apology though that does nothing at all to change the history of what occurred here. Yeah. Im not sure having spoken with so many of these survivors, what an apology from this man really even does. Got a little bit more color handed to me so let me read this to all of you who are listening as far as Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. He said, actually stood in this boston federal courthouse and said he was sorry, and ultd matly owned. It said yes, my brother and i did this. Mentioned allah and acknowledged ramadan and also apparently he was stand and speaking from the defense day. Were told he spoke quietly and faced forward while he was speaking so im not sure if he looked at all around the courtroom or made eye contact with the jurors or victims or victim family members and the last note he had an accent of some type. Ive got Ashleigh Banfield who said down with me and toward this with me when it happened two years ago all the way through the proses and, again, im getting everyones reactions for the first time hearing from this man speaking saying, again, i would like to now apologize to the victims and survivors. If there is any lingering doubt, i did it with my brother. Im sorry for the lives i have taken. What do you make of it . So i always wondered i never thoutsis ter Helen Prejean was a liar and couldnt imagine what she was saying is true. He said it in open court. Does not mitigate whats going to happen to him. Sentence has been passed down. What i am fascinated by is the potential of the appellate process. I wonder federal he was going to waive his right to the nonessential appeals. If you get a Death Penalty, youre getting one appeal whether you want it or not but you could be like Timothy Mcveigh and fight all the the subsequent appeals and march right to the Death Chamber like he did in terre haute, indiana. I didnt think this man would do anything different than mcveigh. So im and he didnt. I think im a little surprised at that as well. Yeah. Back to this federal courthouse and again give these impact statements and again, to share oxygen in a courtroom with this man and to hear him actually address people and say he was sorry i suppose there is some power in that, but to me if i was his family members i would be thinking they are just words. Theres so much human drama that plays out in a courtroom. We think its such a stalwart procedural event. It isnt. There are people whose lives are forever changed. They are looking for something. They are looking for justice. They dont even really know. There are people like you and me. They have joined this unfortunate club unwillingly and when you get to that point and you see these things, sometimes its pretty hollow. Sure he said sorry, but what if he hadnt . Would it have changed their lives any . Probably not. I think they i think from what i gather from what their writings are, their interviews i think those victims family members, loved ones and friends all say the same thing is i wish he would just go away. I wish the focus would no longer be on him and what he did and instead be on us moving forward. As far as the tick tock the formalities in the courtroom, danny, let me just ask you, because i believe were waiting for this judge to address the courtroom. What will the judge say as far as we know he will be sentenced to death. So whats the procedure here . In fed court there really is a script. They will add their own sort of personal touch but as weve talked about in this case he will not be doing what happens in a lot of federal cases which is calculating the guidelines figuring out the range of years. There is none of that calculation or none of that calculus or math to be done here. Its a very simple thing so other than reading the standard short form script this judge might keep it very short, or he might take the opportunity to make a more a more direct statement about what this defendant did and how it affected not only the community but our country and the world. The country. And then at what point does Dzhokhar Tsarnaev go on to terre haute, indiana and await his death . Typically what happens in the federal system you go to a first location a first place to be processed, and believe it or not, that takes a lot longer than might think, weeks, maybe even months and then eventually hell be transferred most likely to terre haute unless they have some special process for this particular defendant. Once you are sentenced, make no mistake about it. You become property of the federal bureau of prisons. In fact the sentencing judge, a misconception that the judge even has any power to dictate where the defendant does his time. At best that judge can make a recommendation, but its very important for people to understand that one sentence you leave the jurisdiction of the District Court and you are now property or cargo of the bureau of prisons. Ashleigh banfield interesting the point you made. Even though one is sentenced to death, theres one automatic appeal but after that he could not fight it. Oh, yeah. I mean thats what Timothy Mcveigh did. He was three years from the incident to his death, three years. Thats pretty quick. Its remarkable. I mean death penalties often take on average 20 years to carry out and theres a reason for that. If you are going to take someones life be damn sure you didnt make any mistakes and we afford an incredible appeals process for someone sentenced to death. I dont know whether or not hell go to terre haute. I know thats where you go to die. Hes a dangerous offender a terrorist, who has to be kept from communicating with other inmates which is often the case with these terrorists who are sentenced. He has to be kept from communicating with the outside world and that usually happens at florence in the super max. I dont know whether hell be held at both of these institutions doesnt need to be at terre haute right away. Just joining us were covering for the fact that for the first time were hearing from the convicted terrorist, boston bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev addressing the federal courthouse in massachusetts today, standing at the defense table. Were told he spoke quietly, faced forward and keep in mind the people in the courthouse victims, victims families and i can only imagine the emotion swirling in this sort of environment today. This is a formality and when the judge will officially formally sentence Dzhokhar Tsarnaev to death, and, again, just to quote him and joey jackson, coming to you next because i have a question for you. We know he acknowledged ramadan and acknowledged allah. He said i would like to now apologize to the victims and the survivors. If there is any lingering doubt i did it along with my brother. I am sorry for the lives that i have taken. Joey what do you make of the fact that he brings his brother into this . Im sorry, brooke can you repeat that. What do you make of the fact that he mentioned his brother in this statement today, that he brought his brother, his older brother, Tamerlan Tsarnaev he brought him into this. I mean its troubling. Obviously thats an understatement. The first thing, of course is the defense. Think about how the defense really predicated what they were doing in their whole argument that was about his brother and the influence of his brother and his brother made him do it and his brother is a manipulator and so certainly, you know when you bring his brother into it it conjures up images of who influenced him, where was his heart when he did this and, in fact what was the real extent of his brothers influence, or did he act on his own and was it something that he really felt in his heart he wanted and should do . And i think were left with the conclusion that certainly, although his brother could have influenced him, as any brother him, that his actions were those that were of a person who was thoughtful, reflective and knew exactly what they were going to do. Brooke again, im very surprise that had he did address the court as he did, but i just want to address one other thing, if i could. Sure please. We talk about the appeal process and talk about what could happen from here and many people are saying you know as many people did, that he wouldnt speak and did speak and i was one of the people who said i didnt believe he would, but on the issue of appeal you know we cant presume that hes going to be on death row for years and years and years. If you relate this case for example, to mcveigh. Timothy mcveigh the Oklahoma City bombing, tragic incident so many people died and injured in that particular, you know terrorist act, it happened in 1995 brooke. He was actually indicted and went to trial in 1997 and actually in 97 thereafter when he was convicted and sentenced to death he died in 2001 because he told his lawyers, you know what . I dont want any more appeals and thats it and so who knows whether, you know dzhokhar would do something similar to this. The conventional wisdom is now that hes actually being sentenced to death and now that this is the day of reckoning, there will be appeals but we dont know hell be on death row for many years to come. It could very well be as mcveigh he could die relatively quickly. I wouldnt even want to speculate about that. Right, right, that was precisely the point Ashleigh Banfield was making, and if you recall one of the three, youngest of the three victims who died that day on boylston street, Martin Richard, his parents came out writing the oped in the boston globe saying essentially we didnt want him to die because they didnt want to be dragged through. Imagine the emotional woundings for years to come being dragged through the appeals process so hopefully for these families there will not be much appeals to come. Let me just jump in with this. We just learned that he has now been formally sentenced, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has been formally sentenced let me read this to you. As the defendant stood, the judge here judge George Otoole sentenced him to death on charges which the jury had earlier returned this death verdict. On the other count tsarnaev was sentenced to multiple life terms, quote from the judge now today. Whenever you name your name is mentioned what, will be remembered is the evil you did. This is the judge speaking just know talking to Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. What will be remembered is you murdered and maimed innocent people. Joey jackson, and actually danny let me go back to you because you were bringing up the point how will this judge, in this case judge otoole, address him, and he spoke directly to Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and reminded him what he did. Again, he did and its his prerogative. Again, federal judges thats a lifetime appointment. Its a pretty secure job so in a way its more surprising that more federal judges dont take opportunities like this and in this case no surprise. Certainly within reason for him to address this defendant and deviate slightly from the script and tell him what the court thinks of this defendant and what the public thinks of this defendant, just as appropriately as the other members of the public or victims come forward and address this defendant. Again, there isnt a whole lot of legal sentencing going on today. It is a formality, but within that formality is a very important part of our im mixing up the word but our theories of punishment the ideas that victims get to address defendants and so too, does the court, and this is not out of the normal at all. Its certainly within judges powers and its certainly based on each individual judges style, but in this case its no surprise that with a defendant and an act as horrific as this that a federal judge might have an opinion and might express it to this defendant. Just a couple more notes. This is from kevin colon, phenomenal writer from the boston globe who is sitting in that courtroom and hes quoting the judge, i sentence you to the penalty of death by execution. On other counts i sentence you to life in prison. No monetary fines are imposed. Dzhokhar tsarnaev has hands clasped listening, looking down from kevin colon. The judge says you have the right to appeal. Its that we ask all the marshals to take the defendant into custody. For first time Dzhokhar Tsarnaev today in court is handcuffed arms behind his back in presence of his victims and jurors who sentenced him to death. Ashleigh . So, again, i go back to the sense in this courtroom and well be talking to debra feyerick and family members and victims all sitting in there and i cant remember from the sentencing. Didnt he have some family members investigatetestifying on his behalf. Some flown in from russia. So tears today, i would imagine. Its a weird moment but i think the significant thing that you just heard from kevin colon was that he was asked to stand and he was handcuffed. Theres something a lot of people miss i think in a lot of the drama that happens in a courtroom and a jury jurors who passed on that sentence were allowed to be there, didnt have to be but could be there if they wanted to be they never once saw that man in jailhouse garb or in cuffs or leg irons. Hes presumed innocence. You cant taint the view. The optics are critical when youve got a defendant at table, hes got to look like everyone else. For the first time he looks like the murderer that he is and thats kind of dramatic. I mean its its awful, its silent and its dramatic and its not lost on those in the courtroom either. But lets not forget that were still in the middle of the crisis of the Death Penalty in this country. He may be sentenced to death, brooke but i dont know if the Death Penalty will outlast the length of his appeal if he chooses that. Were at the Supreme Court, and i expect by next week or the week after well know whether we can use some of the lethal injection drugs. Were at a crossroads and many states have suffered just trying to figure out ways to put they are condemned to death. There could be a whole lot more going on in the life of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev independent of where he sits and what kind of cell hes in and what kind of lawyer he meets with. Debra feyerick who has been all over this boston story since day one, inside the courthouse. Really the floor is yours. Tell me everything. Reporter yeah. I mean, people inside that courtroom were on the edges of their seat as he stood up and spoke for the very first time. This was not only him breaking his silence but also him apologizing for what he did and i want to read this to you because it was it was really just so dramatic. He effectively said he said the bombing which i am guilty of if theres any lingering doubt, i did do it along with my brothers and he said he wanted to apologize to the victims and to the survivors as well. He quoted the month of ramadan. Now in the holy month of ramadan and quote that had several times giving praise to allah in what can be only described as a thick accent an accent his friends told me he didnt have when he was going through high school but ramadan was a time of forgiveness, gratitude, reconciliation quote, a month in which hearts change. Now, there were victims and survivors who were in that courtroom, family members who were in that courtroom listening to all of this as he spoke. He didnt look in their direction. He addressed the judge. He thanked his lawyers for their companionship, thanking them for all the things that they had done for him and his family and then the judge essentially carried out the sentence saying that he was going to sentence you to the penalty of death by execution, and ill tell you, brooke and ashleigh the judge did not pull any punches. He essentially said to tsarnaev you have to redefine what it is to be an innocent person. Well it was, quote, a monstrous selfdeception. You had to forget your own humanity and then he sentenced him to death on the six counts on which he was found eligible for execution and then he served him to the rest life consecutive, conkurt. We just actually lost count of all the different sentences that were just handed down brooke. Let me back you up and ask you first and foremost when you mentioned Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and how he was looking directly at the judge when he spoke, i take it to mean he never once glanced around the courtroom, never once addressed or looked eyes with any of these survivors or family members, correct . No. He will really didnt. Thats actually an excellent point, brooke. The one thing he did do is he did acknowledge hearing the names of the victims, hearing them testify and this is something he hadnt done. When we were in court over those ten weeks we kept saying theres no emotion. Theres no emotion. Why isnt he reacting to any of this powerful testimony . But he did acknowledge that he heard what the individuals said. He said he wished there could be more people testifying. He understood or he acknowledged their names and called them very good souls so it resonated, but, again, you have to you have to go a little bit deeper and im sure ashleigh can back me up on this. You dont know what the true motivation of a defendant is when they are being sentenced to death. Is it because truly in their heart they feel this deep remorse or is it because its Something Else . Are they possibly thinking about an appeal. Are they basically thinking maybe down the road you know with time a president can commute the death sentence. Its unknown but he did do what many wanted him to and that is he acknowledged it was him and sincere or not he did apologize. Debra feyerick stay with me. Impossible to crawl into the heart and mind of this man, and to be honest i dont think i really want to. That said were about to hear from some of the victims family members, some of the survivors themselves outside of this courthouse. Again, breaking news for the first time, members of this boston federal courthouse have heard from this convicted terrorist, this murderer Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. Well hear from the survivors on the other side of the break. Stay here. 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He said i am sorry for lives that i have taken, and then with this judge, this judge, George Otoole said to him whenever your name is mentioned what will be remembered is the evil you did. What will be remembered is you murdered and maimed innocent people. And many of those innocents, the survivors, the victims family members sat and remembered and even some of the jurors in this trial in boston were sitting in this federal courthouse listening. So was our National Correspondent debra feyerick outside the courthouse. Were watching and waiting to see if any of the family members will take the podium but before they do deb, can you tell me how did he sound . How did he appear standing there in court . Reporter well he had a very thick accent actually and there were times it was very very difficult to hear what he was saying. In fact it was the reporters in the overflow room who had a much better perspective what he was doing. You know it was just it was he was wearing a dark suit same suit that he had worn throughout his trial and the determination of guilt and his hair was sort of slightly longer as was his beard. When he listened to the victim impact statements he sort of slouched in the chair, sort of his traditional position but he suggested that he real he been listening to all the people who stood up to testify. It was interesting. We spoke to the father of an amputee, a young man who lost his leg at the site of Dzhokhar Tsarnaevs bomb and the father says he doesnt believe it. He thinks the lawyer set him up to it. Had plenty of time to show remorse and plenty of time to apologize as well. The boyfriend of one of the victims said something very similar, i mean they really had been waiting for this. It was one of the people inside one of the victims who said that he should forgo the appeals so that everyone could move forward in peace, and that really resonated. Not clear whether thats going to happen. There are more motions that will be file. His lawyer is expected to appeal so it could be a long time but he is going to terre haute, indiana, the same prison where Timothy Mcveigh also stayed on death row before his executions. Debra feyerick stand by for me. Joey jackson and Ashleigh Banfield are with me on set. You mentioned if he goes to terre haute and talk about the appeals, i think its just worth repeating, some of the family members and certainly the youngest of those victims, Martin Richard and his parents who came forward who said we hope he isnt sentenced to death because we dont want to be put through appeal after appeal after appeal and be dragged through this. You cant blame him. You only hope that he has this mandatory appeal as you were discussing and like Timothy Mcveigh no more. He walked from all the others yeah. Think about this for a moment though. Lets just say that he does go through the appellate process. Lets just say its overturned. Nobody should be concerned about the life that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev would live otherwise. He was sentenced to multiple life sentences. The boy is 21, i believe. That amounts to about 60 or 70 years in effectively solitary confinement, 60 to 70 years. Think about what a life sentence for a kid who is 21 means. Hes not going anywhere any time even if anything happens in the next 10, 20 years. Would would be the likelihood really the world sat through this trial. That its overturned . That it would be overturned. Very likely. Very likely. Heres the the point. Understand when we talk about appeals, brooke what were looking at is some error of law made by the judge. You dont get an appeal because you lose. Just to understand what the concept is there would have to be some error of law that the judge made which warrants the conviction being overturned. Such as . Procedural. Lets talk about this procedural issues but there was a very big movement afoot by his Defense Attorneys to move that trial out of boston. Right. You remember that. Change of venue. And there were several change of venue motions made under the theory that he can not possibly get a fair trial here. Now, thats up to the discretion of the trial judge, and its very difficult to move it out of a venue, but the argument was if there ever was a case to be moved, this was such a case so that certainly will be a grounds for appeal here. In addition to that the attorneys will argue that they were ill prepared to move forward because they needed more time. The judge granted them one request for additional time but did not grant them additional. Those are two apparent base ease for appeal that we covered extensively. Theres always the other minute issues that ashleigh mentioned are procedural throughout course of the trial that the attorneys will seize upon. It does not mean that they have merit but certainly it means that there are base ease of appeal that they will use to try to spare his life. Theres politics too. Maybe it was procedurally perfect. Maybe everything that was preserved on the record does not fly in any kind of appeal but then youve got scotus Supreme Court, lethal injection drugs, the crisis thats befallen the industry of execution and were in the modern day Death Penalty 75 let me change that 76 people have been sentenced to death. Three have died since 88 so im not 100 sure that well be confident that this execution will be carried out. You can hear people watching. But of all cases, of all people this would be the one not to overturn. Exactly, and not to continue to beat the drum but ashleigh and i have talked about this issue a lot and thats the Timothy Mcveigh that we talked about before. Right. That we always have to understand that he was sentenced to death, and he died and it was pretty quickly, from the actual bombing of 95 to the actual indictment and trial of 97 to the sentencing of death in 97 to the actual execution in 2001 so we dont know at this point whether and ashleigh raises very meritorious points whether or not its prolonged because of all the issues going on in the Supreme Court about lethal injection. He owned it and stood up in that courthouse and said i did it with my brother. And he may also own not appealing any further as mcveigh did telling his lawyers i dont want to go through this anymore. You know i dont want to be in jail anymore, get it over with. Thats what happened with mcveigh. It could very well happen with Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. And i have to just put this on the record guys that in 20 years, and if thats the lifetime that it usually takes, 20 years. Roughly 0 years. Im not sure where america is going to be in ten years or 20 years on the issue of the Death Penalty. There has been a steady decline of support for the Death Penalty in this nation. Im not saying it isnt around 50 50. It is, but thats today, and we join a very im going to say unwelcome club with north korea, iran saudi arabia as nations that use the Death Penalty in punishing their own citizens so if we want it it be to belong to that club or move in a different direction, it may affect this. The only issue dwikly with that though is in event we move away from the Death Penalty as a society, and we know the vast majority of jurisdictions have the Death Penalty, generally the laws will apply prospectively meaning we get rid of the Death Penalty from that day forward. I dont know how it affects or if it will affect other cases that are pending. It may very well have that effect. It sprung charles manson. He sits today in california. 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For the first time weve heard from this convicted terrorist who has been sentenced officially to die and so he has broken his silence and stood in court and apologized to those victims and family members and we should be hearing from some of those family members and some of those survivors in the courthouse at that podium any minute now so were keeping an eye on that. Meantime also keeping an eye on this hunt to find these two escaped killers, and now have incredible details about how this prison seamstress essentially facilitated their escape. It involves baked goods. Yeah. A Law Enforcement source telling cnn that for several months Joyce Mitchell would bake pastries for the Prison Guards in exchange for favors for richard matt and david sweat. One of the favors asking a guard to pass frozen hamburger meat to matt bypassing the prisons metal detectors. Hearing so much about Joyce Mitchells alleged sexual relationship with the man known as hacksaw, rich matt who dismembered his boss but today in an explosive interview with cnn we learned her relationship with the other inmate the cop killer this is david sweat, may have been equally intimate. A former inmate telling cnns john perman and kate balduan that the pair would smoke off into a dark closet. The relationship in simple terms would be when the cute guy at high school asks you know the girl to the prom and the look on her face every day when they would get together and they would talk and they would laugh, giggle conversations all day long and when they go in the back room at end of the day to count the garments i never thought anything about this after this took place. There are relationships in the prison were you get to know an officer. Not like this. Definitely not like this. They went into the back room. Correct. Thats the closet. Its where they keep the materials. Its not actual closet where you can actually walk in. Theres a door on it and they keep the materials that were completed and materials that need to be done. And Joyce Mitchell and david sweat were in there a lot. What did you think was going on . A running joke inside of his taylor shop that this was his boo, his girlfriend. His girlfriend. Joining me now susan jones, former warden for the Colorado Department of corrections and professor of the Colorado Technical University and susan also did a dissertation conducting extensive interviews with four female correction employees who had engaged in romantic relationships with inmate. Susan, welcome to you, first and foremost. Thank you. You know based upon these interviews with the women, simplest question first. How the heck do they find these inmates, these murderers attractive . Thats a really simple question and i wish there was a oneword onesentence answer for that, but if you have to are that working in a corrections environment, youre working around these inmates, these murderers as you put it all day long every day. Perhaps in this particular situation she had a lot of contact with the offenders particular inmates all day long every day where they stopped looking like murderers, stop looking like inmates and start looking like people start looking like man and when we have Staff Members working in really isolated parts of our institution this unfortunately, can happen and as we see in the news thats being reported out of new york this is apparently part of what happened there are you . Know you talk about how these women sometimes feel isolated but at the same time this story is different because this womans husband actually works at this maximum security prison so im not sure how isolated she really would feel. Well you know ive never met her. Ive never talked to her or her husband. Nor have i, obviously. Lets be fair. Were talking about an institution. She may see Staff Members including perhaps her husband on the way into the institution and eight, nine ten hours, whatever her shift is on the way out, that may be the next time that she sees a staff member perhaps, depending on their particular setup so when im talking about isolating. Im not talking about a lack of connection outside of work. Im talking about that connection that all of us feel go after, pursue whatever it is in our pork place, and thats just another workplace really sometimes. Understand. When you dont have staff making round, dont have staff in there, dont have staff that youre working beside again, these inmates can become your coworkers and im not saying that all coworkers we work with we enter into sexual relationships but that might explain had a was going on with her in that situation. I understand a perform place romance and at the same time if im Joyce Mitchell how do i compartmentalize somebodys criminal background and hacking up their boss. Is this a little detail that fade away . Well first of all, im not making this a workplace romance. The consequences were seen in the news every day, but sometimes you dont even know what the become ground is of the institutions. The culture is we dont want to know. Were expected to treat them as a professional and professionically and within ethical guidelines so People Choose not to know what these people were in prison for. I dont know if that was the case for Joyce Mitchell. I see. I worked with lots of offenders that had no idea what they did and some of that was on purpose. Susan jones, thank you so much. Coming up next the Confederate Flag is still waving in south korea, and just moments ago here the governor Nikki Haley Says she cannot take that flag down even though she wants to. 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And as reverend pinckney is honored today the Confederate Flag still waves high above the capitol there. This image of his casket being drawn under the controversial flag from our own correspondent victor blackwell. Today the governor repeated why she herself cannot take the flag down which would violate current law but the law may soon change as the world is watching what South Carolina lawmakers will do. Lets get unique perspective from a voice in South Carolina and with me from columbia is the great grandson of Joseph Tolbert who was the only attorney back in the 20s and 30s in the state of South Carolina who would even be willing to represent a black man. He was actually once called in a headline the most hated man in the state. Jeremy welcome. Thank you. I mean let just begin. Tell me about what it is about your great grandfather at the time to sort of almost be ahead of his time. Absolutely. He certainly stood for what was right back when no one else would. Hes a former u. S. Attorney representing the state of South Carolina. After his post he went back into private practice and was the only white attorney in the state who would represent a black man in court. I think back what would he think on a week like this with the Confederate Flag hopefully coming down here in the next month or so. He would probably think why it it go up in the first place . In the early 60s in the midst of the Civil Rights Movement why did it if up in the first place . And why it it take so long to come down . But i think hed be very happy and proud that South Carolina will come together and were going to get this done i want to hear more about your great grandfather though. President hoover sent him a letter thanking him for his public service, but he also suffered a lot. I mean he he was a victim of the kkk himself. Tell me about what happened. Yeah. The stories we heard growing up are incredible. The kkk members would frequently assault him. They would he once had his jaw broken by a kkk member with brass knuckles cross burnings in his yard of augusta and greenville South Carolina were the norm. Kkk members would beat up black men and throw them on their front porch. Word is what they would say after thee beat the black men up bloodied and threw them on the front of porch. They would say i hope joe tolbert is save you. You mention federal your great grandfather was here now what he would think of the Confederate Flag and what do you think he would make final question of the fact that in the State Capitol of South Carolina where that flag you know still waves high that this reverend this africanamerican man is lying in repose. Its unbelievable. It is unbelievable. 2015 but South Carolina is an incredible state. Weve really come together as a people. Democrats, prepare cans fun to see the tate of california come together like this. Im speechless at state and our people and im very proud today. 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